indian airforce in the future

[not-now]

what do you think the indian airforce will look like in the future ? list the types and numbers.

[Vinay]

what do you think the indian airforce will look like in the future ? list the types and numbers.

Yaar, sure to become a flame, chod na!!!

[kasaeed1]

LOL :-) I think its hard to write Urdu in Roman script I know what viney mean Chod (chorr) to leave but it looks like Chod means F U C K :-) hahahaha

[lulldapull]

My projection for the IAF of 2020 will be:

250-300+ Su-30MKI's
250+ Teja's
250+ Mig-29B/UB/MRCA/OVT's
Possibly 100-150+ PAK-FA's

All mig-21 Bison's, Mig-23MF's mig-27ML's and Jaguars would have been retired by then.

[attitude]

dont forget the Mirage 2000's
and with the requirement for 126 new fighters still being open it could also potentially include maybe the Rafale or the Gripen
I doubt they will get the F/A-18E despite it being in the running

[lulldapull]

dont forget the Mirage 2000's
and with the requirement for 126 new fighters still being open it could also potentially include maybe the Rafale or the Gripen
I doubt they will get the F/A-18E despite it being in the running

Uncle Putin's extremely juicy offer to supply the MRCA/ Mig-29M2 or the OVT with full TOT has totally swept the Indians off their feet. What surprises me is the IAF's now confirmed turn down of the large Mirage-2000-5 offer that the French had laid on the table. It was very expensive as the French are known for that. BTW. The IAF is in love with its Mirage-2000H's. They have given stirling service for the last 20+ years, and are now getting old, and the production line at Dassault will be closed for the type. I am afraid that with India now pretty much convinced that they can never get a better deal than the MRCA have pretty much sidelined everyone else. The MRCA will come with the BARS as standard equipment, and the Mig-29K navalised Fulcrum has already been confirmed along with the Admiral Gorshkov!

P.S. The Super Bug wouldn't have made it anyway just like the F-16N offer either. They are expensive.......in retrospect with the MRCA! not to mention what they bring to the table. And Putin really sealed the deal with the announcement about the PAK-FA. Any which you cut it dude....Russia will make about $9 billion from this new arms deal with India. Rafale and Grippen are too expensive for what they bring to the table! Same goes for the eurofighter......

Check out the Aero India event pics here:

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/main.php?g2_itemId=1081

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/main.php?g2_itemId=1055

[not-now]

lol it won't be flame vinay i asked also on pakistan and iran's airforce it seems ok so far .Do you think india will buy any american fighter ? i heard they were also offered f-16 but turned it down (i dunno maybe because pakistan has them too ?) it seems they're only going for russian ones .
As for the 126 new aircraft i heard india was going for more su-30 MKI.
I think they're making a right move having too many different types of planes could be a logistical nightmare also russians are more trustworthy then americans and with them india will ge the tot something americans don't do even to their best friends like refusing to give UK secrets to the f-35 lightning despite joint funding.

[Vinay]

lol it won't be flame vinay i asked also on pakistan and iran's airforce it seems ok so far

Just wait and see. Some BR guy like lullda pull will say India has got a 150 MKI . But a PDF guy will say the country cant even look after the 700 million without any toilets. Why all this?? Do we have to hate just because someone told us to hate??


.Do you think india will buy any american fighter ? i heard they were also offered f-16 but turned it down (i dunno maybe because pakistan has them too ?) it seems they're only going for russian ones .


1)Russian ones are far cheaper and tech wise better IMO (i am not saying this because i am indian).2) India was offered f - 18 too. # ) the yankees will leave us in the dust once their "strategic objectives" agaisnt China is completed.

As for the 126 new aircraft i heard india was going for more su-30 MKI.
I think they're making a right move having too many different types of planes could be a logistical nightmare


Youre right.

But lol, I cant resist. Indian nationalists may brag that we have such a good airforce. And SOME citizens of the country that puts us down always, will say you have the planes but not the training to fly them. therefore we win the third war of K and the fourth war between our countries.

[KingoftheHill]

In the future?

The number one air force in that region solidifying its position, with tons of Su-30MKIs, Mirages, Upgraded MiG-29s with IL-78s and IL-76 Phalcons keeping an eye out there

:laugh1:

[not-now]

don't sell yourself short vinay no doubt you do have an excellent airforce definetly the best in south asia many unbiased pakistanis will also acknowledge this too.
I go to india like every year nearly and everytime i'm amazed how much more fast it has developed since my last visit.When the aircraft carriers come into service we'll see how the indian military really starts to flex it's muscles .After being screwed over by foreigners for so long it's good see it's india's time to shine :)

[perisan_eagle]

By 2020

190 SU-30 MKI
126 MRCA
70 Mig-29
50 Mirage 2000
50 5th generation aircrafts
100 LCA

PAF in 2020

200-250 JF-17
110 F-16
100 J-10 C
50 5th generation J-XX

[Vinay]

don't sell yourself short vinay no doubt you do have an excellent airforce definetly the best in south asia many unbiased pakistanis will also acknowledge this too.
I go to india like every year nearly and everytime i'm amazed how much more fast it has developed since my last visit.When the aircraft carriers come into service we'll see how the indian military really starts to flex it's muscles .After being screwed over by foreigners for so long it's good see it's india's time to shine :)


I ask what is the use of having the "best" airforce in SA and not having respect of any neighboeuring country.
You know I was in Germany for 3 years, and the south asians(except Indians) of course were virulently anti Indian. Naja, I dont like that.

I go to india like every year nearly and everytime i'm amazed how much more fast it has developed since my last visit.

Really?? You must be visiting Queens necklace in Mumbai, or the new airport in Bangalore.

I formally invite you to the villages, you wouldnt have seen so much squalor in your entire life in Pak.


After being screwed over by foreigners for so long it's good see it's india's time to shine :)

Yes , I badly want it to shine. But shine for all people. Not for only the Tatas and Birlas.

[aviator]

What surprises me is the IAF's now confirmed turn down of the large Mirage-2000-5 offer that the French had laid on the table. It was very expensive as the French are known for that. BTW. The IAF is in love with its Mirage-2000H's. They have given stirling service for the last 20+ years, and are now getting old, and the production line at Dassault will be closed for the type.

French replaced Mirage 2000-5 with Rafale long back.Yes Indian pilots like Mirage a lot and if MRCA deal was not delayed for so long then most probably India would have selected Mirage aircrafts.

.Russia will make about $9 billion from this new arms deal with India. Rafale and Grippen are too expensive for what they bring to the table! Same goes for the eurofighter......

Gripen costs abt $35 mil a piece but its bit similar to indian LCA , i mean to say its a light fighter while India is looking for Medium multi role fighter.

Do you think india will buy any american fighter ? i heard they were also offered f-16 but turned it down (i dunno maybe because pakistan has them too ?) it seems they're only going for russian ones .As for the 126 new aircraft i heard india was going for more su-30 MKI.

Some sources say deal has been extended to 200 aircrafts , so its likely to be divided into 2 different aircrafts , most probably Mig-35 and F-18 Super hornet. But I would prefer 126 Mig-35 and 74 Rafale , the problem is that Rafale are very costly to be purchased in that much numbers.

I ask what is the use of having the "best" airforce in SA and not having respect of any neighboeuring country.
You know I was in Germany for 3 years, and the south asians(except Indians) of course were virulently anti Indian. Naja, I dont like that.

Which south asians are you talking abt ? pakistanis and b'deshi or does that includes people frm nepal , sri lanka too.Just asking. As far as whats the use of best air force......I would say we are "safe" and I dont find any need to be respected by hostile neighbours.

[not-now]

yeah i admit mumbai is quite dirty home to the biggest slum in the world i think but most of my family is in hyderabad it's very clean there compared to other cities and more developed each time second IT hub of india micrsoft asian headquarters is in hyderabad !! and they're starting to shoot films there too =)

[Vinay]

Which south asians are you talking abt ? pakistanis and b'deshi or does that includes people frm nepal , sri lanka too.Just asking. As far as whats the use of best air force......I would say we are "safe" and I dont find any need to be respected by hostile neighbours.


Pakistanis- forget it!!!!
Bangladeshis - forget it.
Bhutan- I have to honestly tell you, that I havent met any Bhutanese in Germany.
BUT havent you heard of culture swamping by our country . That is why they want to ban Indian cable.
Nepal- The govt may be friendly, but the people are not!!!! Anti India riots spread so easily for a silly reason.
Sri Lanka - anther big brother case!!!! The sri lankans i knew used to be pollite, but when i start talking politics, they used to politily tell me, " your country´s troops festered the conflict in our beaut land. And now look what happening"

Maldivies - I dont know of any conflicts.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST CHINA!

The way the Indian govt is threating China, the dictatorship there may take a descion to aid Pak more and more.
USA will give haath, China wont.

I love my country, and i dont want anything bnad to happen to it.
And i want to be respected wherrever i go. Is that too much to ask for??

[not-now]

lol hostile neighbours is a misconception this is just propoganda by both countries there is no hostility between the people ofcourse i'm not saying relations are perfect there some people and government officials that stir trouble but not the majority look when the indian cricket team comes to pak half the people are flying indian flags (muhajirs i think)and the indian stars are welcomed with open arms same when pakistani musicians go to india.


indian experiences in pakistan:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/life/2006/04/28/stories/2006042800110200.htm

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/life/2004/04/05/stories/2004040500020100.htm

http://www.despardes.com/fashion/news/2006/20060125-rohit-bal-pak.html

http://www.indiadefence.com/pakvisit.htm

http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jan/09diary.htm

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/20622.html

believe me what they say is abosultely true.Same goes for bangladesh.
The problem is that pakistan is ruled by the military they make the laws and policies in a sense speak for the whole country sothe whole country will seem anti-india when it's really not musharraf is a good president he's really improved pakistan but it's time the military steps out of politics and he sheds his uniform i don't like the army having that much power their role is defneding the country only not running it.

[aviator]

Bhutan- I have to honestly tell you, that I havent met any Bhutanese in Germany.
BUT havent you heard of culture swamping by our country . That is why they want to ban Indian cable.
Nepal- The govt may be friendly, but the people are not!!!! Anti India riots spread so easily for a silly reason.

Well India is not emposing its culture on Bhutan. I agree that they love their own culture and dont want it to be overtaken by some other culture but how come is this India;s fault ? Sameways there are some Hindu nationalist in India who indian muslims to be indians first and muslims 2nd or that they dont like western culture etc but is that america's fault ?

Nepal......Well some people may not like but some do .Recently India did played a role in bringing democracy in nepal and even maoist leader praised India.Ofcourse too much of anything would turn up to be bad.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST CHINA!

The way the Indian govt is threating China, the dictatorship there may take a descion to aid Pak more and more.
USA will give haath, China wont.

that i can agree upon , some people need to keep their mouth shut especially army majors who keep on saying that India is preparing keeping in mind china as threat. Well india doesn wants to attack china nor it can.

lol hostile neighbours is a misconception this is just propoganda by both countries there is no hostility between the people ofcourse i'm not saying relations are perfect there some people and government officials that stir trouble but not the majority look when the indian cricket team comes to pak half the people are flying indian flags (muhajirs i think)and the indian stars are welcomed with open arms same when pakistani musicians go to india.

I will give you an perfect example of epitome of hatred where you can verify yourself..........

pakistani defence forum PDF :laugh1: (I cant post links so apologies)

To be very frank, Seeing PDF I think it was better that India got divided.

[ahm12]

By 2020

190 SU-30 MKI
126 MRCA
70 Mig-29
50 Mirage 2000
50 5th generation aircrafts
100 LCA

PAF in 2020

200-250 JF-17
110 F-16
100 J-10 C
50 5th generation J-XX

i totally agree with these figures

[not-now]

lol yeah i know pdf people are idiots ignore them too anti-indian but have you been to the indian defence forum ? it isn't exactly much better alot of racist comments there towards pakistanis and bangladeshis too and hatred towrds muslims in general i have seen commens there that talk of killing bangladeshi regugees ! :(.These are the same stupid nationalist people that talk of nuking each other.Anyone who's been to both india and pakistan knows that the true situation isn't really like that if you close your eyes when travelling you probably wouldn't even know you'd crossed over.

[Vinay]

I wont be contributing any more in this thread with my socialist idealogy. This is supposed a air force thread.
lol yeah i know pdf people are idiots ignore them too anti-indian but have you been to the indian defence forum ?


Exactly what I meant, pointing fingers. Both PDF and BR types are bad. lets just leave it at that.

[perisan_eagle]

lol hostile neighbours is a misconception this is just propoganda by both countries there is no hostility between the people ofcourse i'm not saying relations are perfect there some people and government officials that stir trouble but not the majority look when the indian cricket team comes to pak half the people are flying indian flags (muhajirs i think)and the indian stars are welcomed with open arms same when pakistani musicians go to india.


indian experiences in pakistan:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/life/2006/04/28/stories/2006042800110200.htm

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/life/2004/04/05/stories/2004040500020100.htm

http://www.despardes.com/fashion/news/2006/20060125-rohit-bal-pak.html

http://www.indiadefence.com/pakvisit.htm

http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jan/09diary.htm

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/20622.html

believe me what they say is abosultely true.Same goes for bangladesh.
The problem is that pakistan is ruled by the military they make the laws and policies in a sense speak for the whole country sothe whole country will seem anti-india when it's really not musharraf is a good president he's really improved pakistan but it's time the military steps out of politics and he sheds his uniform i don't like the army having that much power their role is defneding the country only not running it.

Dude do you know anything about politics in Pakistan accept propaganda fed into mainstream media? Do you realize that currently the only true power musharaf has is to appoint cabinet members, some executive powers, and army chief of staff, apart from that the democraticly elected parliamentry has most of the powers... so next time please think and do some neutral research before making comments like these...BTW musharaf was giving approval by electoral parliament and Supreme court in 02 and will likely happen again this year (not sure)

[perisan_eagle]

Well India is not emposing its culture on Bhutan. I agree that they love their own culture and dont want it to be overtaken by some other culture but how come is this India;s fault ? Sameways there are some Hindu nationalist in India who indian muslims to be indians first and muslims 2nd or that they dont like western culture etc but is that america's fault ?

Nepal......Well some people may not like but some do .Recently India did played a role in bringing democracy in nepal and even maoist leader praised India.Ofcourse too much of anything would turn up to be bad.



that i can agree upon , some people need to keep their mouth shut especially army majors who keep on saying that India is preparing keeping in mind china as threat. Well india doesn wants to attack china nor it can.



I will give you an perfect example of epitome of hatred where you can verify yourself..........

pakistani defence forum PDF :laugh1: (I cant post links so apologies)

To be very frank, Seeing PDF I think it was better that India got divided.

Dude PDF has some great disussions and members, and is real great for new comers. The discussion there is at most point unbiased take for example we have many members there that hate musharaf yet members who support them, they both have great discussion. PDF also has litterally member of every nationality. This truly makes it light years ahead of Bharat rakshak which is more of a propaganda "make insults of muslims and TERRITORYSTAN" forum

[aviator]

Dude PDF has some great disussions and members, and is real great for new comers. The discussion there is at most point unbiased take for example we have many members there that hate musharaf yet members who support them, they both have great discussion. PDF also has litterally member of every nationality. This truly makes it light years ahead of Bharat rakshak which is more of a propaganda "make insults of muslims and TERRITORYSTAN" forum

I was talking in context of India. Do they or they dont hate India to their fullest?
Fine you like it and have fun there , I dont think you would prefer to go to some anti-iranian forum filled with what you call , your enemies zionist. There are differences with India doeant means one has to loose his civilty.

[perisan_eagle]

I was talking in context of India. Do they or they dont hate India to their fullest?
Fine you like it and have fun there , I dont think you would prefer to go to some anti-iranian forum filled with what you call , your enemies zionist. There are differences with India doeant means one has to loose his civilty.

Listen you will expect every Pakistani forum to hate Indians and vice-versa, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to riscover that

And btw the amount of sheer hate presented against muslims on BR is much worser than any other defence forum...

[lulldapull]

I agree with Aviator that PDF is one of the worst forums on the net. Absolute hate filled cess pool of saudi worshipping wahabbi lovers, and U.S. apologists and lackeys. They are all hypocrites kow towing the party line, just like that other worthless forum called Pak def.

Aviator, if you want to go to a good pakistani forum, then go to www.Pakmilitary.net

[Vinay]

Yaar, sure to become a flame, chorr na!!!

Now do you know what I mean???

@lulldapull-please dont agravate the situation.

[lulldapull]

Now do you know what I mean???

@lulldapull-please dont agravate the situation.

mr. 14 years old Vinay, here you have an Egyptian muslim guy putting down PDF and saying that Pakistani members on PDF are full of hate. I mean how much more can I aggravate this situation here?:laugh1:

Get a clue buddy.

[lulldapull]

Anyway coming back to this topic, before we digress further I will strongly project the future IAF based on more than 250 MKI's as India retains the license to manufacture 150-200, and they only have 100 or so currently in service including the 40 that Russia has delivered.

The Teja's will number around 200-250 as it is almost a locally manufactured Mirage-2000H category aircraft.

the OVT's or MRCA's or M-2's will form the other bulk comprising of no fewer than 200 airframes including the already in service 80 Mig-29B's.

The Pak-Fa will be the crown jewel with a nominal figure of around 150 as being a fairly accurate figure on a potential inventory.

So around a 800-900 combat airframe IAF spread out over 45 squadrons is what I see as a optimistic IAF strength in about 10 years time.

[aviator]

My projections

270 Su 30MKI
126 Mig-35
74 F-18E/F Super Hornet
66 Mig-29
50 Mirage 2000
100 PAK FA
200 LCA

May be by then , having experience from LCA project and PAK FA with russia , India may complete its own 5th generation fighter aircraft.

[KingoftheHill]

Muslim United, I guess you should leave since you've hated Hindus ammong Americans and Dogs.

Three cults on this planet need to be abolished, US, Isreal and India.......... what would be an end result? Muslim_United.

Cheers.

We really don't need another flamethrower here do we?

[muslim_united]

Muslim United, I guess you should leave since you've hated Hindus ammong Americans and Dogs.



We really don't need another flamethrower here do we?

Thats my personal openion based on my honest feelings, you dont like it, just ignore it please.

Cheers.

[KingoftheHill]

Thats my personal openion based on my honest feelings, you dont like it, just ignore it please.

Cheers.
I'll make you a deal.

I'll ignore if you don't bring that "openion" in this thread? Sounds fair right?

[Vinay]

mr. 14 years old Vinay, here you have an Egyptian muslim guy putting down PDF and saying that Pakistani members on PDF are full of hate. I mean how much more can I aggravate this situation here?:laugh1:

Get a clue buddy.


Has that Eyption, whoever he/she is come to india and seen the nationalism there??

I am just telling you to be neutral.
You dont have to learn that do you?????? ;)
That too from a 14 year old.

[Vinay]

there is no hostility between the people
Unfortunately the Hindu,Jew,Christian hater on this forum doesnt understand.

[kasaeed1]

mr. 14 years old Vinay, here you have an Egyptian muslim guy putting down PDF and saying that Pakistani members on PDF are full of hate. I mean how much more can I aggravate this situation here?:laugh1:

Get a clue buddy.

Lul Purool yaar Viney is right this tread is turning into a flame very few are discussing no. of Indian planes in 2020

[Ace]

Ok, here's my list of IAF in 2020

230 MKIs
126-150 MRCA planes
200 LCA
50 Mirage-2000s
100 PAKFAs
50 MCAs

I havent put MiG-29 coz I think at the rate we r modernizing, we'd have retired the MiG-29 by 2020. Just a personal opinion though

[KingoftheHill]

Ok, here's my list of IAF in 2020

230 MKIs
126-150 MRCA planes
200 LCA
50 Mirage-2000s
100 PAKFAs
50 MCAs

I havent put MiG-29 coz I think at the rate we r modernizing, we'd have retired the MiG-29 by 2020. Just a personal opinion though
This is just air force right?

Otherwise you should add the new MiG-29Ks the Navy is getting.

[Ace]

ya just the airforce fighters. i didnt add MTA (Medium Transport Aircraft), Phalcon AWACS, Helicopters etc that we'll get in the future

[Famous 5]

My list and confirmed,

230 MKI's
126 MRCA's
Mig 27 ground attack fighter (to be retired by 2020)
Jaguar Darin II (Its like A7/A10 will serve for long as the production line has been moved here and it has been upgraded)
Around 140 LCA ++ if needed replacing others.
66 upgraded Mig 29's to SMt standards. [already in upgrade]
50 Mirage 2000 upgraded to RDY-2 radars etc etc [already in upgrade]



Phalcon AWACS
Indias OWN AEW&C to be operational within 3-4 years.

Dedicated millitary satellite.
7 satellite IRNSS grid
Aerospace defence command in lines of NORAD[not that massive] or SRB of russia.

^^ work has started and everything will be finished by 2010.

Its too hard to determine what will happen by 2020, but easy to say what IAF will look like around 2012-13 and that is it.

[Andysol]

what makes u think INDIA is going to reduce its present 1000+ fighter fleet to some 586 odd fighters..

this figures are not realistic...

[not-now]

they won't be reducing they'll be vastly increasing-india currently doesn't have 1000+ fighters it has 750+ aircraft in total and not all of them are fighters actually many of those estimates sound about right.

[Andysol]

INDIA is dreaming big, its slowly & steadly moving towards acquiring the Superpower Status. its boundries are too Vast & if it has to prove its caliber in adverseries it has to have 1000+ active & operational fighters.

This might be the probable list of IAF in 2020
100+ PAK FA (for INDIA has invested in it) (TOT)
250+ Su 30MKI(TOT)
100+ Mig-35
50+ F-18E/F Super Hornet (offcourse to please the US)
70+ Mig-29
30+ Mig-29 KUB (for the Navy)
50+ Mirage 2000
250+ LCA (Tejas)
50+ MCA
100+ JSF (If India Plans to join in the development) (The Replacement for the aging Sea Harrier Fleet)
10+ P3C – Orion or P8 (LONG RANGE MARITIME)
150 - 200 Light helicopters to replace Chetaks & Cheetas (BELL / EUROCOPTER)
50 - 100 Meduim lift helicopters (BELL / EUROCOPTER)
5 – 10 Heavy lift transport Aircraft (LOCKHEED MARTIN / ANTONOV)
10+ KA-31 (Airborne early warning)
3+ Phalcon

[not-now]

hmm......i dunno man i think india will be a superpower but your list sounds way too unrealistic i think you have too many different type of aircraft from different countries it'd be a very costly and logistical nightmare esp when you have such a large airforce.

[Andysol]

Trust me not-now the List is not unrealistic. This is the real picture of the IAF by 2020.

Yes i do agree with your view that maintaining such a vast & varied fleet will not be economically feasible, but the Indian Economy can very much efford it & its going to be a nightmare for anyone planning any misadventure.

[not-now]

it's also going to be nightmare for the IAF i dunno theres lots of countries with economies as large if not bigger than indias but even they don't go for so many types.If it was like that all the rich countries would have practically every type of fighter- like the pak-fa and jsf i think it's very unlikely they'll go for both it'll probably be one or the other.

[aviator]

INDIA is dreaming big, its slowly & steadly moving towards acquiring the Superpower Status. its boundries are too Vast & if it has to prove its caliber in adverseries it has to have 1000+ active & operational fighters.

This might be the probable list of IAF in 2020
100+ PAK FA (for INDIA has invested in it) (TOT)
250+ Su 30MKI(TOT)
100+ Mig-35
50+ F-18E/F Super Hornet (offcourse to please the US)
70+ Mig-29
30+ Mig-29 KUB (for the Navy)
50+ Mirage 2000
250+ LCA (Tejas)
50+ MCA
100+ JSF (If India Plans to join in the development) (The Replacement for the aging Sea Harrier Fleet)
10+ P3C – Orion or P8 (LONG RANGE MARITIME)
150 - 200 Light helicopters to replace Chetaks & Cheetas (BELL / EUROCOPTER)
50 - 100 Meduim lift helicopters (BELL / EUROCOPTER)
5 – 10 Heavy lift transport Aircraft (LOCKHEED MARTIN / ANTONOV)
10+ KA-31 (Airborne early warning)
3+ Phalcon

hehe yea thats a long list but he has included 30 Mig-29KUB for navy too and most probably India will choose only one party for MRCA deal and I guess Mig-35 would win, in that case there will be no F-18 E/F Super bug. Having invested in PAK FA and MCA , India has little chance of going for JSF even if invited because so many advanced fighters are not even needed. He has also inculded helicopters and transport aircrafts+phalcons.

[Vinay]

INDIA is dreaming big, its slowly & steadly moving towards acquiring the Superpower Status. its boundries are too Vast & if it has to prove its caliber in adverseries it has to have 1000+ active & operational fighters.

This might be the probable list of IAF in 2020
100+ PAK FA (for INDIA has invested in it) (TOT)
250+ Su 30MKI(TOT)
100+ Mig-35
50+ F-18E/F Super Hornet (offcourse to please the US)
70+ Mig-29
30+ Mig-29 KUB (for the Navy)
50+ Mirage 2000
250+ LCA (Tejas)
50+ MCA
100+ JSF (If India Plans to join in the development) (The Replacement for the aging Sea Harrier Fleet)
10+ P3C – Orion or P8 (LONG RANGE MARITIME)
150 - 200 Light helicopters to replace Chetaks & Cheetas (BELL / EUROCOPTER)
50 - 100 Meduim lift helicopters (BELL / EUROCOPTER)
5 – 10 Heavy lift transport Aircraft (LOCKHEED MARTIN / ANTONOV)
10+ KA-31 (Airborne early warning)
3+ Phalcon

Looks very interesting. I particularly like your first statement. Makes me feel good inside.

[Andysol]

hehe yea thats a long list but he has included 30 Mig-29KUB for navy too and most probably India will choose only one party for MRCA deal and I guess Mig-35 would win, in that case there will be no F-18 E/F Super bug. Having invested in PAK FA and MCA , India has little chance of going for JSF even if invited because so many advanced fighters are not even needed. He has also inculded helicopters and transport aircrafts+phalcons.

You might think the list is far too unrealistic but the fact remains.
100+ PAK FA (for INDIA has invested in it) (TOT)
250+ Su 30MKI(TOT)
100+ Mig-35 (Probably in set of its next course of acquiring 126 MRCA)
50+ F-18E/F Super Hornet (offcourse to please the US)
70+ Mig-29 (already inducted & operational)
30+ Mig-29 KUB (for the Navy - coming as a package with Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Gorshkov)
50+ Mirage 2000 (Already inducted & Operational)
250+ LCA (Tejas) (ready to go in for Mass Production)
50+ MCA (on the plans of the defence ministry)
100+ JSF (If India Plans to join in the development) (this is probably going to be a Replacement for the aging Sea Harrier Fleet)
10+ P3C – Orion or P8 (LONG RANGE MARITIME)
150 - 200 Light helicopters to replace Chetaks & Cheetas (BELL / EUROCOPTER)
50 - 100 Meduim lift helicopters (BELL / EUROCOPTER)
5 – 10 Heavy lift transport Aircraft (LOCKHEED MARTIN / ANTONOV)
10+ KA-31 (Airborne early warning) (already inducted & operational)
3+ Phalcon's

[not-now]

but didn't india already turn down f-18 and go for more su-30mki instead this is better since i think su-30 is a superior plane anyway.

[aviator]

but didn't india already turn down f-18 and go for more su-30mki instead this is better since i think su-30 is a superior plane anyway.

F-18 was proposed for MRCA but nothing has been decided about it yet and Indian politicians as usual are delaying the process . F-18 is still in race for 126 aircraft's race but its chances are low now , most probably it will be Mig-35 or may be combo of Mig-35 and American Fighter.

[KingoftheHill]

what makes u think INDIA is going to reduce its present 1000+ fighter fleet to some 586 odd fighters..

this figures are not realistic...

Because they are moving to a smaller, more capable, multirole fleet.

[not-now]

yay my thread got 4 stars ! :)

[Request 1]

My projection for the IAF of 2020 will be:

250-300+ Su-30MKI's
250+ Teja's
250+ Mig-29B/UB/MRCA/OVT's
Possibly 100-150+ PAK-FA's

All mig-21 Bison's, Mig-23MF's mig-27ML's and Jaguars would have been retired by then.

Pretty good estimate, but I think they'll have less SU-30s' and LCAs' because of the production rate. PAK-FA, you think they'll induct that many in only 2020?

[Request 1]

By 2020

190 SU-30 MKI
126 MRCA
70 Mig-29
50 Mirage 2000
50 5th generation aircrafts
100 LCA

PAF in 2020

200-250 JF-17
110 F-16
100 J-10 C
50 5th generation J-XX

The PAF will prolly have over 250 JF-17s', maybe like 300 (I said maybe). And don't forget the 75-100 New generation fighters like the Rafale or Eurofighter. At this point I don't know which one it'll be. The Rafale is cheaper but Pakistan might get the Eurofighter because Saudi Arabia is getting it. I also think Saudi Arabia might get ToT with it....I read this on PDF but I can't be sure because it's not credible...but we'll see.

[Request 1]

Just wait and see. Some BR guy like lullda pull will say India has got a 150 MKI . But a PDF guy will say the country cant even look after the 700 million without any toilets. Why all this?? Do we have to hate just because someone told us to hate??



1)Russian ones are far cheaper and tech wise better IMO (i am not saying this because i am indian).2) India was offered f - 18 too. # ) the yankees will leave us in the dust once their "strategic objectives" agaisnt China is completed.

Youre right.

But lol, I cant resist. Indian nationalists may brag that we have such a good airforce. And SOME citizens of the country that puts us down always, will say you have the planes but not the training to fly them. therefore we win the third war of K and the fourth war between our countries.


I thought they were going for the MiG-35.