paf in the future ?

[not-now]

what do you think the paf will look like in the future in the next 10-20 years ?list the types of aircraft and numbers.

[lulldapull]

40 J-10's
70+ F-16 A/B/ Blk-52's
100+ F-7PG's
If the Chinese develop a half decent reverse engineered copy of the Rd-33/93 then may be 150 FC-1's.

That's about it.....Very reasonable projection.

[perisan_eagle]

40 J-10's
70+ F-16 A/B/ Blk-52's
100+ F-7PG's
If the Chinese develop a half decent reverse engineered copy of the Rd-33/93 then may be 150 FC-1's.

That's about it.....Very reasonable projection.

Sure on what India will look like in 2020 -edit, azrael- is listing india to have 300 mki's 300 migs and what not, :laugh1:

by 2020 you might as well expect

well over 300 JF-17's
bout 100 F-16s
bout 150 J-10C
Maybe new chinese J-XX

Know you will expect lulldagandi to come and post bs bout pakistan not getting engine for jf-17, f-16 to be a dream, the j-10 a failure and what not :yes4:

[lulldapull]

Mr "persian Eagle"....Watch your mouth or you'll be thrown out of here. No need to resort to insults. I have notified the moderators who will take action against your insulting post.

The projection is based on India just recently buying 40 MKI's direct from Russia, plus still having a licence to build 150 more, while having 80 or so currently on charge! The new 126 combat aircraft requisition will put the mig-29 inventory to about 200 Mig-29B's and MRCA/ OVT's. You have to remember that IAF currently operates 80 Mig-29B's.

Same goes for PAk-FA as fairly sizeable force wil be inducted as India will be manufacturing them.

Pakistan doesn't have the money to match India's arms acquisitions. Never had, never will. The U.S. offered twice the number of F-16 blk-52's but pakistan could not afford to buy more than 32 at this time! Likewise the Mirage 2000-5 offer was turned down in 1996 as Pakistan could not afford it. Same goes for J-10's. They are expensive!

P.S. You don't have to insult ppl who tell you the truth, even if you don't like it.

[perisan_eagle]

Mr "persian Eagle"....Watch your mouth or you'll be thrown out of here. No need to resort to insults. I have notified the moderators who will take action against your insulting post.

The projection is based on India just recently buying 40 MKI's direct from Russia, plus still having a licence to build 150 more, while having 80 or so currently on charge! The new 126 combat aircraft requisition will put the mig-29 inventory to about 200 Mig-29B's and MRCA/ OVT's. You have to remember that IAF currently operates 80 Mig-29B's.

Same goes for PAk-FA as fairly sizeable force wil be inducted as India will be manufacturing them.

Pakistan doesn't have the money to match India's arms acquisitions. Never had, never will. The U.S. offered twice the number of F-16 blk-52's but pakistan could not afford to buy more than 32 at this time! Likewise the Mirage 2000-5 offer was turned down in 1996 as Pakistan could not afford it. Same goes for J-10's. They are expensive!

P.S. You don't have to insult ppl who tell you the truth, even if you don't like it.

Yes yes

India will also make a space aged MCA which will be on par with F-22 if not better right?

Also the reason why PAF decided to buy only 32 Latest F-16's where so that they were not prone to sanctions so you can well expect PAF to place another order of 55 after these birds are deliverd.. also J-10 expensive?:baffled3: The J-10 is cheaper than the F-16 yet in some aspects out classes it, the new J-10C which is expected to have 3D TVC, AESA Radar, advanced ECM, etc... will be on par with Eurofighter.

BTW the Indians placed an order for early delivery of 40 MKI's since the intial order was running decades behind schedual, lastly please explain where the numbers for 250 LCA's come from???

And how is that insults like you are allowed to make BS comments of Pakistan but when we show how truly you are a -edit- that doesnt even deserved to be called what I want to call you.

I don't enjoy my patience being tried in this fashion, again i understand that india/pakistan debates can become heated , but keep it civil and be professional regarding your posts, failing in that , pretend as if you were professional. Everyone knows the high regard i hold both the pakistani and indian members of this forum, but i'm sure few understand how little patience i have for people who chose to behave such as children when clearly they exhibit the capabilty to carry on an adult debate regarding the subject matter. Let's have no more of this , carry on everyone, -azrael.

[lulldapull]

Yes yes

India will also make a space aged MCA which will be on par with F-22 if not better right?

Also the reason why PAF decided to buy only 32 Latest F-16's where so that they were not prone to sanctions so you can well expect PAF to place another order of 55 after these birds are deliverd.. also J-10 expensive?:baffled3: The J-10 is cheaper than the F-16 yet in some aspects out classes it, the new J-10C which is expected to have 3D TVC, AESA Radar, advanced ECM, etc... will be on par with Eurofighter.

BTW the Indians placed an order for early delivery of 40 MKI's since the intial order was running decades behind schedual, lastly please explain where the numbers for 250 LCA's come from???

And how is that insults like you are allowed to make BS comments of Pakistan but when we show how truly you are a haramcore rat that doesnt even deserved to be called what I want to call you.

Once again I have reported this post as its insulting! You will be thrown out now.

[KingoftheHill]

the new J-10C which is expected to have 3D TVC, AESA Radar, advanced ECM, etc... will be on par with Eurofighter.
They're getting it all from Russia. Anyways a J-10 is a maximum better than a F-16 Block 30 (USAF)


BTW the Indians placed an order for early delivery of 40 MKI's since the intial order was running decades behind schedual
Not really decades, but still unorganized. You place the blame to HAL for that though.

[not-now]

no anti-indian remarks plz lets keep this about the paf .

[Mujahid786]

in the future f16s, j10s and jf17s. when they will look at inadian air force they will scream and buy chinese jxxs and try to get their hands on f-35

[apple_fritta]

Pakistan is also looking to get rafale or EF2000

[Mujahid786]

what will pakistan do when india deploys pakfa?

[perisan_eagle]

what will pakistan do when india deploys pakfa?

Dude Pakistan will likely deploy it 5th generation fleet first...the PAF and ACM have already planned out every aquisition from know until 2020 to the smallest order of fuel tanks and avionics, and let me assure you it is india which has more to be worrying about

[apple_fritta]

Persian eagle..India has already signed contract with Russia on development of a 5th gen a/c.

NOTHING is known about a Chinese 5th gen a/c to date other than a mere roumour about 'jxx' ....how ever i do expect this 'jxx' to be ready by 2020/2025

[Request 1]

100+ J-10
51 F-16 C/D Block 52+
60 F-16 A/B Block 15 MLU
300+ JF-17 Thunder
4-7 SAAB Erieye AWACS
4 IL-78 Midas Air-to-Air Refueling Aircraft
18 C-130H
60+ K-8 Intermediate Jet Trainer
100 New Generation fighter jets (Eurofighte ror Rafale)
3-5 Chinese AWACS (Most Likely Y-8)
80+ JXX fighters

Looks Beautiful, Sexy, and Deadly if you ask me. Ready to counter any threat from any nation in the world, no matter how advanced. Inshallah it will look like this, maybe even better if we are lucky.

[Talha_1]

100+ J-10
51 F-16 C/D Block 52+
60 F-16 A/B Block 15 MLU
300+ JF-17 Thunder
4-7 SAAB Erieye AWACS
4 IL-78 Midas Air-to-Air Refueling Aircraft
18 C-130H
60+ K-8 Intermediate Jet Trainer
100 New Generation fighter jets (Eurofighte ror Rafale)
3-5 Chinese AWACS (Most Likely Y-8)
80+ JXX fighters

Looks Beautiful, Sexy, and Deadly if you ask me. Ready to counter any threat from any nation in the world, no matter how advanced. Inshallah it will look like this, maybe even better if we are lucky.
i am agree with you bro:) but i think we should make the next version of JF-17 thunder . instead of buying F-16

[Request 1]

Yeah, sounds like a good idea. I don't want us buying anymore U.S equipment. Hopefully the next version can incorporate stealth technology, which will be the way of the future! :biggrin1:

[hyperinflation]

Pak will certainly buy J-10 from China. It has been offered, and cabinet has agreed to initial 32 such planes. JF-Thunder we own 50% of, and will produce locally in time.

These will form the backbone of PAF for many years.

Also a few dozen F16 C/D's should materialize soon-ish.

[Request 1]

Pakistan only buys Uncle Sam's outta date planes with the aid they give.

It's not like as if Pakistan uses it's only money to get anything from Uncle Sam and you have to remember that. It's more like the $300 million Pakistan gets every year (like it has since 2002) for military purchases from Unce Sam. So I don't think there's any reason for Pakistani brothers to get wound up every time they hear about F-16s.

I do agree with you, and what you have stated above is why I am not comfortable with Pakistan buying U.S. Equipment/Weapons. The U.S. has proven to be very unreliable. But the sad thing is that Mushy doesn't care and still wants American equipment. I'd say to hell with them and just stick with jointly developing military equipment with the Chinese and buying from either France, China, or maybe even Russia (Unlikely due to their relationship with India).

P.S. - Russian equipment isn't always unreliable. It's just that the history of Russian equipment is bad due to countries operating Russian equipment recieving old downscaled weapons that weren't given proper maintenace.
(E.g. - Iraqi MiG-29s' durring the Gulf War)

But Russian equipment has also proven to be very good in other areas too, like the German MiG-29's that proved to be very deadly against American and Swiss F-18s' durring mock battles.:wub2:

[Request 1]

I don't know about the French bro. I remember very well the French blocking the delivery of the Agosta 90B submarines in 1999 during the Kargil War. I have always only trusted the Chinese when it comes to anything to do with the military.

Yeah but we did eventually get them. And they have been good defence partners with us by not denying us spares when we needed them. and the Mirage-3/5's we've gotten from them kept our Morale up durring the "Lost Decade". We also have gotten Licence to produce the Agosta Subs in Karachi, and the French are now keen on selling us the Marlin Subs and also they don't seem to have a problem with selling us the Rafale either, which could beat the F-16 anyday. :biggrin1:

[Request 1]

But I think that's only till Pakistan's getting the aid. As soon as they realise Pakistan won't be getting anymore military aid from Uncle Sam... the French will just ignore us just to impress Hindustan.

When it comes to air forces in South Asia, I think the problems have been that Hindustan has been buying too many from Russia just to look muscular but not maintaining them properly at all. While Pakistan has been going way too far outta it's hemisphere to get quality aircrafts in order to compensate for the neighbour's unreliable quantity.

I think they waste too much time and resources like this. They should feel confident in that both nations have nuclear weapons and plenty of delivery systems to go with them. They should take their time (there's no rush at all) and invest in homegrown projects.

Hindustan is not about to invade Pakistan and China is not about to invade Hindustan. So Pakistan should join in more military projects with China and Hindustan can join in more military projects with Russia and have some meaningful air forces that can fight a war for more than two months atleast.

Wow, never saw it that way. Damn it. Well I guess the west is just not reliable, no matter which country. You seem to be right with the French impressing the Indians. Oh well, hopeour president has the smarts to stop depending on the west so much.

[Black_zero]

PAF in Future.
F-16 = 80+
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6869/f16f101pe7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
we can buy china J-11 if we want
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4486/j1102largeen5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[attitude]

This could be a scene from a Pakistani airfield in the near future

http://www.irandefence.net/gallery/data/501/J10_FC-1.jpg

[Black_zero]

250+

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/55/fc1drawtu3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Video = Jf-17 thunder flying in Pakistani space
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrNIdbzkwo&mode=related&search=

[Black_zero]

J-10 = 70+
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/6517/j1003qo6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8971/j1003gt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Black_zero]

Black Zero, in your 26th post.

You have a pic of the JF-17 Thunder parked along with other aircrafts, does it mean that that JF-17 Thunder is in service in China Air Force or something?
LOL :laugh4:
Open the eye ..and see himself who is post the reply no.26:laugh4:
are u ok today ?:laugh4:

[Black_zero]

40 +of these ...
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7023/ghgaw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9013/typhoonlgad1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[not-now]

lol eurofighter typhoons that seems more like something on the wishlist than a reality no offence can the paf even afford them ?

[Black_zero]

lol eurofighter typhoons that seems more like something on the wishlist than a reality no offence can the paf even afford them ?

i dont know..but Air Marshal of PAF said that we are looking for western modern fighters.