Does time exist after our death ?

[mujahid]

This is a scientific and metaphysic question at the same time.
We know all that time is created to run our material world and that it is no other than a dimension.
So, is there a future or a past after our death?
If the time doens't exist there, that means we all die at the same time!!!. So don't be sad if you loose a close relation. Tell your self you have already been both died at the sime time:).
It is astonishing and amazing (please correct me if mistaken) that when reading the Curan I don't find any information about judgement in our grave.
There are some texts dealing about it in hadith. But since Curan is strongest as source. I still ask myself this question:
If we have been already born and died at the same time, what difference does it make it to die now or after 20 years ?

[Power_Serj]

I understand what you mean. I'm not Muslim however, I understand. It's like the question of, if a tree branch in the emtpy forest falls, does it make a sound? (or something similar to that)

[SS_Charlemagne]

Interesting question. For me, time and space are only the basic mechanisms of representation (read some Kant or Schopenhauer to understand it). Are the basis with which we know the "reality". About time, for us only exists the past. Think of it: present doesn't exist, the moments are always fleeing to past. Future also doesn't exist. Every time you try to "catch" the time, it's only past. The past is the memory and memory is all what we are and what we know. I think was in Baghavad Gita where it's said "There is, master, something more extensive than space? - Yes, memory is more extensive than space".
But it's also said God (the Divinity or whatever you want to call it) is the Eternal Present...
btw, since I believe (at a point) in the Eternal Return, of course we have lived and died - an infinite number of times.

[mujahid]

We are like a blind machine with very limited capability and trying to execute its task: to stay alive.
Such machine stops some times to work and try to guess what around. It tries time to time to destruct its operating system to show itself it is more than a machine. But it is still a machine. This machine is informed by its creator it its prefered and that it could be upgraded if it achieves its simple task, not destruct itself.

[Thongurf]

You die, the world keeps on moving, you get forgotten.
Life goes on, no matter what.

[SS_Charlemagne]

You die, the world keeps on moving, you get forgotten.
Life goes on, no matter what.

until the day the whole universe collapse and disappear in the Nothingness... or perhaps it will expand infinitely... both options are horrible...
But then, if the universe has been repeated and will be repeated exactly always in the same way, and also us, and myself typing those words while I'm listening "Kashmir" of Led Zeppelin, and also you all who are reading this? could you stand such thing? :3eyes4:

[Thongurf]

until the day the whole universe collapse and disappear in the Nothingness... or perhaps it will expand infinitely... both options are horrible...
But then, if the universe has been repeated and will be repeated exactly always in the same way, and also us, and myself typing those words while I'm listening "Kashmir" of Led Zeppelin, and also you all who are reading this? could you stand such thing? :3eyes4:

It doesnt matter if they can accpet it or not, this is the way its been since the beginning and so it shall be untill the end.

[SS_Charlemagne]

It doesnt matter if they can accpet it or not, this is the way its been since the beginning and so it shall be untill the end.

what are the beggining and the end? the Nothingness and Oblivion? so, nothing has a sense...

[General]

In my opinion time still flows after our death and will keep up until the end of the universe . When that happens ; there will be not such a thing like time .

[azrael]

This is a scientific and metaphysic question at the same time.
We know all that time is created to run our material world and that it is no other than a dimension.
So, is there a future or a past after our death?
If the time doens't exist there, that means we all die at the same time!!!. So don't be sad if you loose a close relation. Tell your self you have already been both died at the sime time:).
It is astonishing and amazing (please correct me if mistaken) that when reading the Curan I don't find any information about judgement in our grave.
There are some texts dealing about it in hadith. But since Curan is strongest as source. I still ask myself this question:
If we have been already born and died at the same time, what difference does it make it to die now or after 20 years ?

When i was a little boy, i was told by a relative who was a poet and the student of a marja that the entire universe is destoyed and created between the blinks of our eyes. That the progression of time is merely an aritfact of our resistance to our destruction and the shock of our reconstruction. So in that sense you are born and die countless times until that one time we are reconstructed merely as meat and therefore you must act in such a manner to give nobility to every moment of your existence , for it may be your last.

I don't know how accurate this is , it has always helped put life into context for me. I don't know when anyone will die for sure, but surely when you are dead it doesn't matter when you died , before? for each human being that is a different question with perhaps more than one answer.

[SS_Charlemagne]

When i was a little boy, i was told by a relative who was a poet and the student of a marja that the entire universe is destoyed and created between the blinks of our eyes. That the progression of time is merely an aritfact of our resistance to our destruction and the shock of our reconstruction. So in that sense you are born and die countless times until that one time we are reconstructed merely as meat and therefore you must act in such a manner to give nobility to every moment of your existence , for it may be your last.

I don't know how accurate this is , it has always helped put life into context for me. I don't know when anyone will die for sure, but surely when you are dead it doesn't matter when you died , before? for each human being that is a different question with perhaps more than one answer.

I think was Epicurus who said something like: when you're alive, is an stupidity to fear about the Death cause Death doesn't exist for you. When you are dead, you don't exist, you are nothing, you don't feel, you don't know nothing, then why to fear about the Death?
BTW, if all what exist returns infinite times in the same way, you should think and try to live as if everything you do, feel, etc, is going to be repeated eternally. You should try to live "sub specie aeternitatis" (in the way of Eternity).

[azrael]

I think was Epicurus who said something like: when you're alive, is an stupidity to fear about the Death cause Death doesn't exist for you. When you are dead, you don't exist, you are nothing, you don't feel, you don't know nothing, then why to fear about the Death?

He sounds like he has the soul of a shia mystic, or maybe that is simply how all humans are when they ponder the edge of our understandings.

BTW, if all what exist returns infinite times in the same way, you should think and try to live as if everything you do, feel, etc, is going to be repeated eternally. You should try to live "sub specie aeternitatis" (in the way of Eternity).

Hmmm, i think if time were but just another dimension like height, length and depth, and my entire life were but a four dimensional photograph on god's desk, that there would be a laptop computer overheating on top of me.

[SS_Charlemagne]

He sounds like he has the soul of a shia mystic, or maybe that is simply how all humans are when they ponder the edge of our understandings.


Hmmm, i think if time were but just another dimension like height, length and depth, and my entire life were but a four dimensional photograph on god's desk, that there would be a laptop computer overheating on top of me.

Curiously Epicurus was in some way an atheist and materialist. But yes, humans can arrive to Truth from many ways.

BTW, I think time and space are only our mechanism to know the "reality".

[Bella]

I'm a Christian! I believe that God created the Universe, the earth, the stars, moon, ect....and of coarse Us!!
I have studied many religions, maybe not as well as most people, but I got the concept.
I believe that we all pretty much believe in the same thing, but it's the little differances that make us hate each other!
God......Allah, sorry if i spelled it wrong, but my point is, is that we all live thousands, hundreds, miles, or countries apart, but we all bleed red blood and look alike.
The only differances, are so small that we as humans are too stupid to understand.

thank you

[apple_fritta]

how about a poll with this thread? :)

[Request 1]

Science can only prove things that happen when you're alive...but it is not able to prove things after you die. That is why I choose to never leave my religion.

[Suryoyo]

Science can only prove things that happen when you're alive...but it is not able to prove things after you die. That is why I choose to never leave my religion.

But how does your religion prove things after you die? its text in a book, do you call this evidence?

[Request 1]

But how does your religion prove things after you die? its text in a book, do you call this evidence?

It can't be proved, but I do do it, not for proof, but for belief.

[sayenforever]

I'm a Christian! I believe that God created the Universe, the earth, the stars, moon, ect....and of coarse Us!!
I have studied many religions, maybe not as well as most people, but I got the concept.
I believe that we all pretty much believe in the same thing, but it's the little differances that make us hate each other!
God......Allah, sorry if i spelled it wrong, but my point is, is that we all live thousands, hundreds, miles, or countries apart, but we all bleed red blood and look alike.
The only differances, are so small that we as humans are too stupid to understand.

thank you

well said!

[Janbaz]

This is a scientific and metaphysic question at the same time.
We know all that time is created to run our material world and that it is no other than a dimension.
So, is there a future or a past after our death?
If the time doens't exist there, that means we all die at the same time!!!. So don't be sad if you loose a close relation. Tell your self you have already been both died at the sime time:).
It is astonishing and amazing (please correct me if mistaken) that when reading the Curan I don't find any information about judgement in our grave.
There are some texts dealing about it in hadith. But since Curan is strongest as source. I still ask myself this question:
If we have been already born and died at the same time, what difference does it make it to die now or after 20 years ?

To answer your thought in my small opinion, I ask you this:
Does other Galaxies die when one Galaxie colapses? NO
Does other Stars die when one Star explode? NO

But think about this, these things are Energy, and according to Laws of Physics, Energy NEVER dies, but it does convert.

For example, if you could built a very strong Radio reception, and try to listen to it for past talks, you probably could hear Cyrous the great speech in Babalon and give freedom to jews and Iraqies (No one has been able to do that yet but there are theory about it how to do it). By this I meant, the speech that Cyrous the great gave 2500 years ago, is still in the air, if your radio can tune into it.

When we die, we convert to different type of energy, even though I am a moslem and I have seen a Ghost with my own eyes, but I still belive we are going to go into different dimension. The world is in Cycle, and with in each cycle there is another cycle, and cycle with in cycle and so on..... The world will end when the expansion of Universe stops and then universe starts contracting till all materials in space are colided with each other and then there would be a new bigining again. God knows how many times this has already happened, and how many more times this is going to happen again.
Now to answer your time question, in my opinion, Time never stops, Time only could stop in imagination, but time itself may just restart when the universe restart again.

[PeterV]

until the day the whole universe collapse and disappear in the Nothingness... or perhaps it will expand infinitely... both options are horrible...
But then, if the universe has been repeated and will be repeated exactly always in the same way, and also us, and myself typing those words while I'm listening "Kashmir" of Led Zeppelin, and also you all who are reading this? could you stand such thing? :3eyes4:

The universe will continue to expand untill it reaches a certain limit after witch it will contract again to a stage where we will get another big-bang. This cycle will repeat itself indefinetly. I believe that's Stephen Hawkin's theory. I don't believe in life after death, even if it would be a comforting thought.

B.t.w: that music-thing sounds familliar; some songs just give you some sort of eerie feeling...... I always get strange sensations while listening to songs from Moonspell and Samael.....