Albanian military [Archive] - Iran Defense Forum

Warrior

01-24-2006, 06:55 PM

http://www.afsouth.nato.int/images/ex10013.jpg
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=63856
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http://www.afsouth.nato.int/organization/NHQTIRANA/Images/Shooting2004/ALBANIAN%20SOLDIERS_b.jpg
http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2005/april/images/apr06_10/04.jpg
http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Aug1996/960817-M-4424H-008.jpg

Image's from:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=37218
http://p083.ezboard.com/fbalkansfrm43.showMessageRange?topicID=62.topic&start=1&stop=20

G-Capo

01-29-2006, 07:38 PM

Nice images.Any on Albanian Air Force or heavy gear?

Warrior

01-29-2006, 07:49 PM

Nice images.Any on Albanian Air Force or heavy gear?

I will post that probably tommorow along with more Bosnian army pictures! :)

G-Capo

02-07-2006, 06:50 PM

More photos please :)

Warrior

02-07-2006, 07:05 PM

AIR FORCE

http://www.geocities.com/albanianpilot/albania_8.jpg
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/albania/pics/albaniemig19.jpg
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/albania/pics/albania_9.jpg
http://www.stormloader.com/albanianarmy/mig17.jpg
http://www.stormloader.com/albanianarmy/m21f1303.jpg
http://www.stormloader.com/albanianarmy/al3smallallII.jpg
http://www.stormloader.com/albanianarmy/allouetteIII.jpg
http://www.mig-21.de/Bilder/Albanien_1_small.jpg

Albania's Air Force isn't that really strong nor Modern but I think that will all change soon

Benzeen

03-10-2006, 01:01 AM

nice pics! I heard Us is donating alot to Albania speacialy choppers!

hammerfast

03-10-2006, 01:07 AM

heh old soviet pix would be more impressive
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7010851917908356694&q=mig+21

BIJELI-VOJNIK

03-11-2006, 05:05 AM

Does the Albanian army have any future plans on updating their AK's?

tacteam

10-10-2006, 03:24 PM

Hi everyone, Iam a new member here. I would like to post a few pictures regarding Albania`s Armed Forces, including the Navy , Air Force, Army and Special Forces of diff branches.

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10-10-2006, 03:36 PM

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10-10-2006, 03:42 PM

These pic and the ones that will follow are from our CT unit, in training

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tacteam

10-10-2006, 03:56 PM

First 4 fotos are from a the Special Operativ Group of the Republican Guard, the 5th is from the Komando Regiment in martial arts training
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Power_Serj

10-10-2006, 03:56 PM

They are ninjas with guns :D

tacteam

10-10-2006, 04:03 PM

1-3 are teh albanian Komandos, 4th Kosovo Special Ops Group, the 5th Albanian Special Operations Group

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10-10-2006, 04:09 PM

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azad

10-10-2006, 08:42 PM

well, i dont know if its the appropriate place to post this, but looks like this thread needs more pictures..

here is what it says in the caption: "The Standard Bearer and Guards of the First Battalion of the First Albanian Regiment of the Imperial Guard"

it was photographed some time between 1880-1893..
i can post a lot more on request..

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7985/3b28495uresizedwn2.jpg

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10-11-2006, 06:19 PM

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10-11-2006, 06:27 PM

In the last foto are albanian soldiers, patroling the street of Mosul in Iraq

tacteam

10-11-2006, 06:30 PM

1 and 2, in Iraq, the rest peacekeepers in Bosnia
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10-11-2006, 06:33 PM

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azad

10-11-2006, 06:34 PM

are you albanian tacteam?
if so, may i ask you a question?

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10-11-2006, 06:35 PM

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10-11-2006, 06:36 PM

Yes I am , and you sure can....

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10-11-2006, 06:41 PM

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azad

10-11-2006, 06:44 PM

ok here it is..

as far as i know you call yourself shqiptar and in the english language you are called albanian (as far as i know a word that has macedonian origin)

in turkish we call you arnavut, and your country arnavutluk (it would be transliterated in english as arnavoot, and arnavootlook - the luk at the end is a turkish suffix)

i've done some extensive research in the internet, however i couldn't find a single web page that could give me a clue about the origins of the word..

and i've heard from several people that albanians take the word 'arnavut' as an insult..

do you have any idea about the origins of the word and why albanians regard it as an insult (if true)?

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10-11-2006, 06:44 PM

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tacteam

10-11-2006, 06:58 PM

ok here it is..

as far as i know you call yourself shqiptar and in the english language you are called albanian (as far as i know a word that has macedonian origin)
Tell you the truth, I have no idea why we are called Albanians instad of Shqipetar....

in turkish we call you arnavut, and your country arnavutluk (it would be transliterated in english as arnavoot, and arnavootlook - the luk at the end is a turkish suffix) I have no clue about this either. Does that word has any other meaning beaside Albanian?

i've done some extensive research in the internet, however i couldn't find a single web page that could give me a clue about the origins of the word..

and i've heard from several people that albanians take the word 'arnavut' as an insult..

do you have any idea about the origins of the word and why albanians regard it as an insult (if true)?
The only logical explanation regarding the insult, is because we were occupied by the Turks for 500 years, and many changes were forced upon us, such as traditions, language, religion etc...and I believe for that reason some of us dont like to be called Arnaut. Than again, its only a personal opinion.

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10-11-2006, 07:02 PM

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10-11-2006, 07:10 PM

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azad

10-11-2006, 07:11 PM

The only logical explanation regarding the insult, is because we were occupied by the Turks for 500 years, and many changes were forced upon us, such as traditions, language, religion etc...and I believe for that reason some of us dont like to be called Arnaut. Than again, its only a personal opinion.

well basically it was the albanians that ruled the ottoman empire.. :) as far as i know there were 65 albanian grand viziers, that makes 1/3 of the total.. no other ethnicity comes even close including the ethnic turks..

and about the things that were forced upon you, the worst period was between 1908 and 1912 during the young turk administration, but some of the founding members of the 'committee of union and progress' were ethnic albanians again.. :)

tacteam

10-11-2006, 07:14 PM

The following pics are from the Albanian Air Force, which as of right now is not in operational status, as per the MoD, we are to upgrade our air Force with newer aircrafts. I dont know when or what are we going to get.
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tacteam

10-11-2006, 07:22 PM

well basically it was the albanians that ruled the ottoman empire.. :) as far as i know there were 65 albanian grand viziers, that makes 1/3 of the total.. no other ethnicity comes even close including the ethnic turks..

and about the things that were forced upon you, the worst period was between 1908 and 1912 during the young turk administration, but some of the founding members of the 'committee of union and progress' were ethnic albanians again.. :)

that is true, but the orders were given by the sultan himself. Actually the worst period was the begining ( around 1400s) The majority of albanians were catholics, you can only imagine how big of an impact the occupation had on the local princes and their tribes.

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10-11-2006, 07:26 PM

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10-11-2006, 07:28 PM

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azad

10-11-2006, 07:28 PM

that is true, but the orders were given by the sultan himself. Actually the worst period was the begining ( around 1400s) The majority of albanians were catholics, you can only imagine how big of an impact the occupation had on the local princes and their tribes.

you are the only people that put up a good fight against the ottomans..
the turks still admire your bravery..
and guess what, iskender is still a very popular name in turkey, especially among the albanians..
(by the way most probably we have more albanians living in turkey than in albania :))

yet islam was not forced upon the albanians.. minor cases could have occured, but most of the conversion happened voluntarily.. (i am no historian, yet i've read great amount of information about the islamization of he balkans)

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10-11-2006, 07:30 PM

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10-11-2006, 07:51 PM

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azad

10-11-2006, 08:00 PM

well albanians have always been renown as fierce fighters..
most probably it is the reason why they were in commission as imperial guards..

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8310/3b28492uvf8.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3b28492uvf8.jpg)

tacklethebush

10-12-2006, 04:16 AM

glory to the Albania! you've my full support as a human in this earth! regards there

grypas

10-12-2006, 05:43 AM

you are the only people that put up a good fight against the ottomans..
the turks still admire your bravery..
and guess what, iskender is still a very popular name in turkey, especially among the albanians..
(by the way most probably we have more albanians living in turkey than in albania :))

yet islam was not forced upon the albanians.. minor cases could have occured, but most of the conversion happened voluntarily.. (i am no historian, yet i've read great amount of information about the islamization of he balkans)

Hi guys,

what Iskender has to do with Albania? Iskender or Iskander is the islamic version of Alexander.
On the other hand, about the name of Albania, the first written reference was in Byzantine papers which called the region Arvanon and Albanon. This is how Albania took its name (and the rest of world call it like this). However, Albanians call themselves Shqiptar which is different.

Tacteam, I think that before turkish occupation, Albanians were Christians. The ones who were Byzantine citizens were orthodox and the rest who were influenced by the Italian Kingdoms were catholisc.I dont know about percentages. Scanderbeg was orthodox because was considered a Byzantine ruler-despot (although was grown up as a muslim in the Sultan's palace).

Now, I can see in the pictures that some units have G3s. What manufacture are they? Turkish, Greek, German? Also I saw some STEYR trucks that look like the Greek manufactured ones.
Can you give us some info on the military aid provided to you by other countries. I mean, I know that both Greece and Turkey (and others) have given military material to the Albanian forces as and aid. Can you tell us who is who and what is what?

Chris

10-12-2006, 01:09 PM

Everything they have is looking very aged=s

azad

10-12-2006, 05:21 PM

what Iskender has to do with Albania? Iskender or Iskander is the islamic version of Alexander.

basically all the iskenders that i've met in turkey were ethnic albanians.. most of the albanians in turkey have preserved their identity, culture and to some extent their language.. and in fact they are pretty proud to be albanians.. scanderbeg/iskender bey/kastrioti is still regarded as a hero..

by the way, the inventor of the delicious iskender kebab, was an albanian living in bursa, one of the cities that still have a noteworthy albanian minority..

and iskender in fact is a distorted version of alexander, but not an islamic one..

tacteam

10-12-2006, 06:57 PM

It is true that most of our weaponary is aged, but slowly everything is bing upgraded. Well the G3s are german made, and were given to the units that were deployed in Afganistan. Also most of our MP5 were given to us as part of military aid by Turkey and Germany. In regards to our Special Operations Forces, is my understanding that most of their equipment are from Italy ( BDUs, beretas) Turkey ( MP5, night vision godles etc...) Germany ( Kevlar helmets, high tech survelliance equipment, zodiac speed boats etc..) Also the Italian government has donated planty to the army( trucks, APCs, heavy equipment for the army corp of enginers, replaced the old comunnication system for the navy and the army, from analog to digital, helicopters etc) The british government just last year donated some Land Rover jeeps for the army, and motorcycles for the police. The Americans, have provided training and some modest equipment for the navy,and the Germans have and still are, donating pleanty , from llogistics to hands on job training, joint exercises.Also, germany just donated about 12 B105 helicopter including the maintenace line. The trucks i think were a military aid by Greece, but im not so sure about that. The main focus here is the decresing in size of the armed forces. In personel and weaponary. The goal is to create a smaller size army ,better trained and better equiped, with a high level of readinnes. as of right now our concern is to become a key player in peacekeeping missions around the Globe, and to have a higher level of results in SAR missions.

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10-12-2006, 11:53 PM

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Pylyp Orlyk

10-13-2006, 12:03 AM

What is Albania's flag ship?

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10-13-2006, 12:04 AM

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tacteam

10-13-2006, 12:05 AM

What is Albania's flag ship?

I believe, our national flag.

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Pylyp Orlyk

10-13-2006, 12:13 AM

I believe, our national flag.

huh? I meant the ship of your navy, not an actual flag... what is your admirals command ship?

grypas

10-13-2006, 04:56 AM

Hmm, these 2 must be of greek manufacture (Mercedez 1 1/4 tons & STEYR trucks)

http://www.irandefence.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1896&d=1160606897

http://www.irandefence.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1910&d=1160607984

grypas

10-13-2006, 05:06 AM

basically all the iskenders that i've met in turkey were ethnic albanians.. most of the albanians in turkey have preserved their identity, culture and to some extent their language.. and in fact they are pretty proud to be albanians.. scanderbeg/iskender bey/kastrioti is still regarded as a hero..

by the way, the inventor of the delicious iskender kebab, was an albanian living in bursa, one of the cities that still have a noteworthy albanian minority..

and iskender in fact is a distorted version of alexander, but not an islamic one..

To be 100% accurate, iskender/iskander/sikander/ is a version of Alexander that was first changed and used by Syrians-Persians(through Alexander the Great) and then was expanded as a name to all other people of islam and finally became a muslim name! In Albania now, you can meet a christian Albanian named Alexander and a muslim one named Iskender.

Azad, how many albanian origin Turks are in Turkey?

azad

10-13-2006, 09:59 AM

well, its hard to say..
some claim that there are as many as 5 million people who are descendants of the albanians that've immigrated to the asia minor, yet most have been assimilated in to the larger turkish community..
the ones that've preserved their identity are said to be around 1-2 millions..
yet the albanian speaking minority is predicted to be around 100,000..

tacteam

10-15-2006, 03:54 PM

huh? I meant the ship of your navy, not an actual flag... what is your admirals command ship?

hmmm that I dont know...I was never in the navy.

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What is the status of those 4 whiskey class submarines, they look pretty bad, and can they still dive? And what is their future.
Roughly how much would it cost to bring them back to a good state?

tacteam

11-05-2006, 04:26 PM

What is the status of those 4 whiskey class submarines, they look pretty bad, can they still dive? and what is their future.
roughfly how much would it cost to bring them back to a good state.

Our subs are not operational. Some time ago Turkey offered to take 4 subs not operational, and give us 2 that are operational, for some stupid reason MOD refused the offer. I dont think that they are gonne try to fix them, is not worth it, those subs are to old. As of right now they are planing on buying 3or4 patrol boats from Damen Shipyard, type Damen Stan Patrol 4207, which will be only the begining of new era for the Albanian Navy.

tacteam

11-05-2006, 04:34 PM

What is the status of those 4 whiskey class submarines, they look pretty bad, can they still dive? and what is their future.
roughfly how much would it cost to bring them back to a good state.

Our subs are not operational. Some time ago Turkey offered to take 4 subs not operational, and give us 2 that are operational, for some stupid reason MOD refused the offer. I dont think that they are gonne try to fix them, is not worth it, those subs are to old. As of right now they are planing on buying 3or4 patrol boats from Damen Shipyard, type Damen Stan Patrol 4207, which they will be added to our arsennal and have as primary role SAR operations...also some high speed fast boats have been added to assist the Coast Guard in smugling operations, those being clandestines or illegal drugs....

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11-05-2006, 04:37 PM

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11-05-2006, 04:39 PM

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11-05-2006, 05:20 PM

Gon4z

11-05-2006, 05:35 PM

Our subs are not operational. Some time ago Turkey offered to take 4 subs not operational, and give us 2 that are operational, for some stupid reason MOD refused the offer. I dont think that they are gonne try to fix them, is not worth it, those subs are to old. As of right now they are planing on buying 3or4 patrol boats from Damen Shipyard, type Damen Stan Patrol 4207, which will be only the begining of new era for the Albanian Navy.

Dam!!! that was a pretty bad decision made by the Albanian MOD they turned down 2 almost new German made Type 209/1200 Diesel Subs those would have been great for Albania, having 2 subs is better than non i mean Albania doesn’t have to worry about Serbia because they don’t have a NAVY no more and they haven’t had a good navy since the break up of Yugoslavia and the Montenegro navy to day is not that good so they are not a big thread and nether is Italy now its just Greece...

Also I’am aware that those 4 whiskey class sub marines cannot operate with any military but cant they still dive that what I’am interested in can they be used for private use, and how much is Albania willing to sell them fore because I’am also aware that they are selling most of their old arsenal from Enver Hoxhas era.

the one that have other countries markings like some helicopter and boats are there just to show the type they have purchased or have signed a deal and have not yet got any pics of the Albanian ones yet or have not been delivered to Albania yet, like for the Ab.205 helicopter every one was saying that is was a lie that Albania never bought those but they did but didn’t not present any pics of them in the first 5 months. also as for the underground air fields they are definitely in Albania you can check here http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/albania/albaf-bases.htm also Albania has more bunkers than any other country in Europe and its probably in the top 10 in the world for bunkers, so I really don’t know where are you getting those source about those being pics taken in Bosnia... I know that Albania has ordered 12 attack role Bo.105 helicopters and it ahs been announced that they will be delivered some time in 2007 but why did u post that pic of the Italian Sea King

This is what TURKEY was offering... two of their six German Made Type 209/1200 Diesel Submarines in exchange for 4 rusted Old Russian junk.
I'am pretty sure that Turkey has no use for those 4 Albanian subs but to use them for training, I bet the Turkish navy would used them for target practice in training exercise.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE3-5/Fleet/shalki.JPG

grypas

11-06-2006, 05:58 AM

I dont think Turkey would offer 2 type 209 subs to Albania. The ones offered must have been 2 Guppy class (old american but operational)!

And since when Greece is the enemy of Albania?
We have army in Albania that is building bridges and roads, like Italy and Turkey! We provide military aid and 1/2 million Albanians are in Greece right now! So where is the hostlity situation that excuses being enemies?

Gon4z

11-06-2006, 09:27 AM

The Guppy class subs of turkey are not operational, I’am pretty sure it was the Type 209/1200 because turkey aims to upgrade all its Type 209 into Type 209/1400 also turkey has its own submarine flee that is under construction which they want to expand an build their own subs. its not surprising Turkey offered 10x F-16C Block 40 single setter and 2x F-16D Block 40 twin setter were to be leased to Albania in 2004 but I have no idea what happened with that deal...

As for Greece I didn’t say they were enemies they are nether friends tensions are high especially over the CHAMERIA region where in 1945 almost 2 million Albanians were forced off their homes in Chameria into exile in turkey and Albania the 1 million that live there now have all migrated in the 90's
You have a KFOR troops in Kosovo that a different country same people Albanians but Kosovo is another nation, also there are around 5 - 8 million Albanians in Turkey I don’t see what that has to do with anything.

grypas

11-07-2006, 06:21 AM

Gon4z

11-07-2006, 01:13 PM

You are kidding me right? 5 million Albanians in chameria? Albania has now 3.5 million population. Where all these have gone?

Either you are confused or you are an ultra-nationalist Albanian!

have a look on that, which by the way is not greek-supported!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chameria_issue

We are talking about 41,000 Chams ONLY!

As for the greek force in Albania, I refer to Albania and not Kosovo! I have been taught geography in the school, be sure about that!
So, talking about ELDAL force (Hellenic Force in Albania), see this:

http://www.hri.org/mod/ENGLISH/newver/Peace.htm

Please be patient and peaceful Gon4z! We have nothing to compete for!:smile1:

I find it fascinating when just because you speak about something people assume you are from that country or that couture and what's more I really find fascinating when people try to back their opinion with useless false facts from WINKIPEDIA that were posted by any one, I mean I can go and post an article right now on how Greeks came from china, but does that make it true NO....

what does the population of Albania have to do with anything, there are 12 - 15 million Albanians in the world there are more Albanians in turkey than in Albania there are around 1 million in Germany and Switzerland America has a couple of million there are many in Egypt and other nations around the world Europe including tukrey is the home to around 10 million Albanians which most migrated to those countries since the fall of Enver Hoxha mainly after the uprising in 1997 when back then the population of Albania was double what it is now, hummm… I wonder where they all went...
there were around 5 million chams and ever since 1912 they have been forced to flee in 1944 around 7,000 - 10,000 were massacre by Greek army because the Greeks claimed that Albanians collaborated with the Italians but in reality Albanians have not had good relations with Italy ever since Italy and the Vatican back stabbed Skender Beg. The Albanians fought against the Italians more the Greeks the Greeks started the resistance in late 1943 early 1944 (And don’t tell me it first started in 1941 because two guys tearing the swastika from a town in Athens don’t turn you into freedom fighters) whilst Albanians were fighting since 1941.... also as the whole world recognizes that Albania was the only country in Europe where it was a safe heaven for the Jew where not a singe Jew died during WWII its quiet hard for the Greeks to prove that elders women and children war collaborating with the fascist who were supposed to be exterminating the Jews. After WWII many more un reported forded deportations and other murders happened especially in 1945 - 1949 because the world was to busy recovering from WWII no 1 really gave a Sh!t (excuse my language)

Also I’am not competing for anything because there is nothing for me to win ti's not my affair.
and why is this getting political I don’t know, all I said is that Albanians main threat from the sea is Greece, that doesn’t mean anything, just like the biggest threat from anywhere to Greece is turkey so I don’t know why you trying to turn this political saying how you are not enemies with Albania frankly I don’t care just said what he truth is, Greeks subs dive deep inside Albanians waters frequently they have been doing it since the 60's the Serbs did the same in the 90's & 80’s. :smile1:

Gon4z

11-07-2006, 02:39 PM

All I want to know is can those 4 Whiskey class submarines dive I'am not interested for military use, I'am asking for private use, because I’am aware they were put for sale I'am just interested if they can still dive...
Here they are docked in southern Albania, by the looks of it they look pretty bad and rusted... does any one know more

grypas

11-08-2006, 04:53 AM

Thank you for your words!

Now I am sure! :laugh4:

Gon4z

11-08-2006, 05:44 AM

You are welcome!!! :biggrin1::wub2: :smile1: :3eyes4: :smug1:
any time...

tacteam

11-09-2006, 11:08 PM

there are milion pics that you posted that are not part of albanian army... us patrol boats,italy patrol boats,underground airfield in bosnia near bihac underground airfield in serbia... lol u stole half of balkan army pics :D

Each and every pic that I posted are from the Albanian Armed Forces. If you are refering to some of the flags in the patrol boats, the reason why they still there is because the pics were taken before they were given to us, and most of our military aid came from places like Italy, USA, Germany etc. As for our tunels, bro please i dont have to steal images from bosnian army or whatever cuz they are the truth, do some research about Albanian Air Force and you`ll see what Iam talking about.... I dont have any reason to post lies...

tacteam

11-09-2006, 11:25 PM

I would like to clarify a few facts,and dont qoute me 100%. Gon4z, Albania population is around 3 million, given the people that have emigrated after the 90`s I would add another 1.5 million spread around the World. Albanians have emigrated from generations, and lats not forget that kosovo was an albanian territory from centuries, which adds another 3 million+. Now I dont know how many are in turkey, some sources say there are 2 million, some others say there may be up to 5 million, i dont know that for sure. Also, as far as the greek army assisting and being based in Albania as it was posted in that article, that is not true, and I can vouch for that. The only time that the greek army sent a peacekeeping force was in 1997 as part of an international peacekeeping force, ( UN, EU)to prevent the country from going in to a civil war, and also to extradite their diplomatic personnel stationed in Tirana, as did many other countries. Right now that is a small personnel of 15 offc i believe, in Gjirokastra base, as we do have the same amount in one of greek army basses. Next, it is true that today in Greece are more tha half million albanians that live and work there, and for that we are greatful. I should say we thank you, but is worth mantioning that the emmigrants there earn their money, they work very hard and they get pay very cheap for the job they do, a thingthat I cant say for countries like Germany, Italy, England, etc were alb emmigrants are supported by the Gov and the social system. The Greek gov gets a good chunk of funds from UN and EU for hosting these emmigrants. The problem remains Epirius, which the greeks claim is thers, but the fact remains that is ours, it has always been ours and it always be ours, and as retaliation the emmigrants have been discriminated and violated as much as they could bear by the greek gov, the greek army in the borders, and the greek police. It was greece in 1994 that blocked 300 million$$ economic aid to albania, and also broke diplomatic relations with albania, becouse our intelligence services arrested 5 greek operatives in albania. That came as retaliation of the 04/1994 massacre in the Army barracks on the village of Peshkpi, where 5 greek commandos entered in the barracks undetected and murdered 3 soldier, and wounded 5 more, the soldiers were sleeping I might add. In 11/4/1994 at the newspaper ``Eleftoroitipia`` a fax was sent were the terrorist organization ``MAVI`` takes responsability for the attack(bs). I could go on and mantion more crimes of this nature that have happend in the borders, but i dont wanna politizie this thread. Like it or not these are the facts.
Gon4z I have no idea if the subs are for private sale or not.

Gon4z

11-09-2006, 11:46 PM

Thank you for that I was kind of sure that there were no Greek military forces in Albania, as for the population of the Albanians well some sources say around 10 million Albanians world wide some other sources say around 12 – 15 million, estimates are that in turkey there are around 5 – 8 million Albanians Turkey holds the largest Albanian community out side Balkans and recently it might hold the largest world wide because of migration from 1997 - 2001 form Albania Kosovo and Macedonia. Whilst in Greece there are around 1 million UK holds an estimate of 500,000 Albanians and there are more but they are officially with fake identities from Romania and Bulgaria. Germany and Switzerland has almost 1 million France has around 100,000 the USA has almost 1 million Canada around 50,000 Italy has around 500,000 Kosovo has 2 million Macedonia has 600,000 – 850,000 around 100,000 in the Scandinavian countries over 25,000 in Egypt some 25,000 (most if not all are of decent of the soldiers of Muhammad Ali pasha and nearly all belong to the royal family) 50,000 in Australia same sort of estimate in new Zealand and Albania 3.5 million in 2004 Albanians population was just little over 4 million in before 1997 Albanians population was over 6 million these all can be found on the census and CIA world fact book archives also in UK archives and those figures do bring the Albanians estimate to most sources which say that there around 12 – 15 million Albanians world wide there over a million Albanian that use other identities from other countries like Bulgaria Romania…etc to migrate to other nations.

HeHe… this is getting to political :biggrin1:

Gon4z

11-10-2006, 12:17 AM

The facts that you have give about the Greek Albanian relation, I believe that 100% of what you said is true, what you said is just the tip of the ice berg, if you want to get in a little deeper then you might ask why did "Greece and Serbia invest secretly almost $10 billion from 1995 - 1997 in Albania" but like we both agreed we don’t want to get this to political

Ummm... as for the subs it was announced quiet long ago that they are for sale as most of Albania’s old hardware is for sale, I’am just trying to dig up as much info as I can on these equipment as possible (and as sometimes I have discovered is that speaking to local people in forums can help a lot) I just want to know if it’s a good investment to purchase those 4 subs, what you think?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1935630.stm

grypas

11-10-2006, 06:14 AM

tacteam

11-10-2006, 08:48 AM

tacteam

11-10-2006, 09:06 AM

Hi guys,

1) When I said about the greek army, I was refering to 1997! This is actually be prooven by the link I provided!
Right now, I know that are some exchange in officers and there are also some aid in organizing the albanian army by Greeks, Turks, Italians, Germans etc in NATO framework!

2) As for the population, I agree with tactea,m there are ony estimates!
3) Talking about N.Epirus(Albania), I dont think is going to be claimed by us and I am not going to say which country owns the region! The fact, with no doubt is that Alnanians and Greeks lhave been living and continue to live in that region together!
Three days ago, the Greeks living in N.Epirus (Albania) got the right to have double citizenship (Albanian-Greek) so, this saved a lot of problems for both countries.
4)The discrimination of Albanians in Greece has started to reduce year by year and I can ensure you that now, after 15 years of stay in Greece, they are not getting paid less than Greeks. Forget about that! I know a lot of Albanians and they own houses and expensive cars that many Greeks dont have! And as far as I was told, 95% of Albanians living in Greece, don't want to go back and live there any more! This is something that unveils a lot!
5) We have to see what the future is as it concerns the economy and wealth of our people. Albania has to see in the future beacuse its aim is to be a member of NATO and EU and therefore become 100% european. There is no time and power for any more land claiming. My opinion is that Kosovo is decided to be independent or semi-independent for now and then Albania will have to manage its own problems!

Best regards guys!

Bro as much as I hate to politicize this thread, the reality of Alb emmigrants in Greece is much diff that it seems, or that is being propogandized by the greek media. The Greek gov claims that the greek minority in albanian has been discriminated for years, which is not true. Even in Enver Hoxhas time they had the same exact rights that we did, there was no discrimination. Nowdays in the greek minority regions they have schools, where if they choose they can speek and write in greek. In the flip side of this coin the Arvanitas in Greece( alb minority in athens from more than 3 centuries) dont have the right of the alb language, or the choice of it. Not up until long ago, at the wall of greek paralament, there were albanian cities writen as part of greek territory, which it was a clear provokation in their part... So, how the intentions of the greek gov can be peaceful ones? I`ll tell you that the Greek gov had/have bad intentions towards albania, and its people. It is true that things have changed a litle bit, but thats only becouse of international pressure, and the influence of many allies nation like Turkey, Italy, USA, Germany etc... right now Greek is part of EU and like it or not it has to make it look like is working toward peaceful solutions with Alb and Turkey, also is respectin the civil and human rights. Since you mantioned the dual citizenship, why the only ones benefiting from it are the minority from the N. Epirius? Why not all the albanians that are in Grecce? The reason why is becouse the Albanian parlament finally passed the bill that allowed the greek minority to have dual citizenship and not loose their land.... Is much more to it and I dont like going in to...The 10B $ that Gon4z mantioned above shows clearly the intentions of the greek and serb gov towards albania and her people.... So long

grypas

11-10-2006, 09:45 AM

tacteam

11-10-2006, 10:23 AM

[QUOTE=grypas;78030]Hi guys,

3) Talking about N.Epirus(Albania), I dont think is going to be claimed by us and I am not going to say which country owns the region!

This is 1 thing that I would like to point out. N. Epirius is an Albanian territory, occupied by albanian population, and no other country has the right to claim it... Is simple as that

tacteam

11-10-2006, 10:29 AM

Look,

I dont know exactly the situation on N.Epirus right now! What I know is that in the last years things are very good and nothing is bad for the remaining Epirotes in Albania (althouh most of them have gone to Greek mainland like the Albanians did, to find a job).
The facts are that:

1) Things between Albanians and Greeks are better now, since the change of politics of the 2 governments.
2) There was discrimination but things have changed. Come to Greece and talk to Albanians here and tell me afterwards. Not to these ilegal ones that come for 1 month and then the police sends them back. I am talking about the 500,000 that have families and are descent people!!These guys are going to have the citizenship! That is the second step!
3) Let's not talk about Arvanites! I have arvanitic origin from my father and I view things differently than you!

Anyway, let's stop being political.Or try to find similarities and not differences!

I agree, lats stop being political, and lets find a common ground. I would like to point out that the Albanian culture has so much in common, with the Greek and Turk culture that makes it fascinating. I would love nothing more than to visit these countries without feeling resented or discriminated...(this applies to greece only, cuz the turks consider us ``litle brothers``) I love greek food and greek music, is very similar to ours, and the same goes for the turks. Sometime I wonder why there should be tension betwen these countries...

tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:02 PM

Some more pics of the Alb Army, The last pic is from a joint exercise betwen alb army and the macedonian army. The Apc is macedonian, the soldiers are alb
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Our artilleri includes 76mm, 85mm, 100mm, 122mm, 130mm and 152mm2860

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Gon4z

11-12-2006, 08:04 PM

Thanx for that, that tanks is a T-55 / Type 59 right!!!

Also does Albania still have T-62A or have they been retired last reports of them I red were in 2004 nothing after that.

tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:08 PM

Yes we do have both types, but about %50 of them have been retired. Expecting to get some from Germany soon

tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:10 PM

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tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:12 PM

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tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:14 PM

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tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:20 PM

2880 Heavy type 59,

2881HJ8

2882Milan

2883mortar, 60mm, 82mm, 107mm, 120mm and 160mm

2884TOW

tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:22 PM

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tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:28 PM

2890 Albania

2891 Bosnia

2892 Irak, Commandos

2893 Irak, Commandos

2894 Irak, Commandos

tacteam

11-12-2006, 08:33 PM

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tacteam

11-13-2006, 06:53 PM

Give me some time to gather all this, and I`ll post them here. You dont work for turkish intelligence do you???? lol...jokd

Gon4z

11-14-2006, 03:35 AM

HeHe...nop i dont work with turkish intelegence I just know a lot about the ballka region and i'am intrested to know more...

kosova85

12-07-2006, 05:26 PM

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kosova85

12-07-2006, 05:32 PM

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kosova85

12-07-2006, 06:24 PM

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tacteam

12-09-2006, 07:16 AM

HeHe...nop i dont work with turkish intelegence I just know a lot about tha balka region and iam intrested to know more...

Hey Gn4z, sorry I have replied but i have been out of town....I have put a request with some buddies of mine recarding our inventory, but they havent responded to me either. I guess everything is kind of blury right now, cuz we are scraping allot of the old stuff and getting new ones.

Gon4z

12-10-2006, 09:25 PM

Hey Gn4z, sorry I have replied but i have been out of town....I have put a request with some buddies of mine recarding our inventory, but they havent responded to me either. I guess everything is kind of blury right now, cuz we are scraping allot of the old stuff and getting new ones.

Dont worry its ok but thanx anyways, ye you have been intending to scarp most of your chinise stuff, and iam glad to see albania is aquairing such advanced weaponry....

Gon4z

12-10-2006, 09:25 PM

VERRY NICE PICS BY THE WAY... keep them up

tacteam

12-17-2006, 12:07 AM

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tacteam

12-17-2006, 12:10 AM

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tacteam

12-17-2006, 12:19 AM

In most of these pics, Alb SF are in Joint Exercise with Us Army Rangers, Macedonian Wolfes, an some other troops
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tacteam

12-17-2006, 12:21 AM

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Gon4z

12-22-2006, 06:32 AM

What I have dogge up so far on Albania’s inventory from different forums and websites... Dam Albania had a pretty impressive Military all the way up to the end 80's after that it just started going down hill, but glad to see now we are improving it....
What I presenting here is pretty authentic, but theirs always a possibility of it being wrong so if some one can confirm if what I have presented is right and would be more than grateful also if you want o edit it than just copy it and make your changes....

IL-28 ------------------------------------ x1
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F-7A ------------------------------------- x12
MIG-19/F-6 ------------------------------ x90
Mig-17/F-5 ------------------------------- x70
Mig-15 ----------------------------------- x70

Yak-18/CJ-6------------------------------ x43
Yakovlev Yak-9P/Yak-9V----------------- x12
Yakovlev Yak-11-------------------------- x4
Polikarpov Po-2--------------------------- x4
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A109C------------------------------------- x1
As.350 ------------------------------------ x3
Alouette III ------------------------------- x4
AB 206 C --------------------------------- x15
AB 205 A --------------------------------- x15
Bell 222 UT -------------------------------- x1
Bo.105 ----------------------------------- x12
Mi-1 -------------------------------------- x3
Mi-4/z-5 --------------------------------- x59+
Mi-8 -------------------------------------- x1
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AN-2/Y-5 -------------------------------- x13
IL-14 ------------------------------------ x4

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some 1,780~ Tanks

PT-76B--------------150
T-34/85-------------200
T-54-----------------75
T-55----------------300
T-62A----------------50
T-62M ---------------55
Type 59-------------750
Type 62--------------50
Type 63-------------150

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some 1,790~ APC & IFV

MAV-5/MAV-4---------100
HMMWV --------------300
M113 ----------------130
BMP-1----------------17
BMP-2----------------13
BRDM-2---------------30
BRDM-1--------------150
BTR-40--------------200
BTR-50--------------200
BTR-152-------------200
Type 77-------------100
Type 63-------------250
Type 60-------------100
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SCUD-C-------------19
SCUD-D--------------6

FROG-5-------------25
FROG-7-------------50
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SA-2----------------100
SA-5-----------------18

SA-7-----------------500 (most have been sold off & soon it will be phased out completely)
SA-14----------------200 (most have been sold off & soon it will be phased out completely)
SA-16----------------200 (most have been sold off & soon it will be phased out completely)

SA-18----------------500+ (built domestically known as "Gozhda")
FIM-43 Redeye--------500
FIM-92 Stingers-------500

MIM-23K/J Hawk--------50 (Phase III variant)
MIM-72G Chaparral------50 (will arrive by 2008)
M1097 Avenger---------50 (will arrive by 2008)
SL-AMRAAM------------50 (expected arrival by 2010)

ZPU-2------------------500
ZPU-4------------------500
ZU-23M----------------300
ZSU-23-4M-------------100
ZSU-57-2--------------100
M167A2 VADS Vulcan----100
M163 PIVADS Vulcan-----50
Gepard------------------50 (expected arrival by 2009)

Albanians plan was to upgrade around 300 Type 59 MBT's in China, that was announced in 2004 and the Type series tanks would serve as main tanks until the purchase of new ones till around 2010 - 2012, but haven’t heard anything about it anymore most likely the plan was overruled, The T-62A, T-62M and the T-55AM2 were going to remain in service which would be around 305 tanks plus 200 Type 59 tanks, and all the other Tanks were to be retired, some scraped or sold, and others put in storage, around 100 - 150 of the old Type 59 were do to be scraped due to their extremely poor conditions, and the rest were either put up for sale or put in storage, Most APC's & IFV’s were going to remain in service, since many are in good condition.

All fighter jets retired, either put up for sale or put in storage, same fate for the transport planes and the IL-28, Mi-1 helicopters in storage for over 20 years and now all are scraped. Most of the Mi-4 are in storage several others have been scraped, Albanians Air Force is currently made up of only helicopters it consists of around 50 operational helicopters, and it will remain that way until around 2010 when we are due to renovate the air force...

Sanchezz

12-22-2006, 08:35 AM

Gon4z

12-22-2006, 08:46 AM

Now can anyone explain me why half of the pics on this thread are sayed to be from albanian army but in reality they are pics of US,Italian,french,serbian,bosnian etc armies.... i saw couple of them that i am sure are not albanian (italian patrol boat,underground airfield near bihac-bosnia,US Soldiers,ex-yugoslavian tanks,french APC,US Soldiers in iraq etc)

This is the second time you have said that and this is the second time I'm having to explain to you, The photos are of Equipment that has either been donated or has most likely been bought from the US or Italy and it still hasn't had a paint job, I'm pretty sure theirs nothing from Bosnia there since Bosnia doesn't have a regular army, and there is nothing from Ex-Yugo, and as for the BUNKER this is the 3rd time I'm showing you where there are, so PLS don't make this stupid post again... so take look at the bunkers, Albania has the most bunker sin Europe, and probably its in the top 5 in the world and if you cant see the Albanian AF markings on the tale of those aircraft then your blind, also those pics have been taken in 2005 & 2006 and as far as every one know that Bosnia does not have Mig-19, Mig-17 or Mig-15, and those pics are to recent to be of migs in biach, because biach did not have any other migs except the Mig-21 and they were last stationed there in 1991 and have not been there since.
That is the Gjader Zadrima tunnel AF bunker located in the north of Albania just south of the city of Shkoder...
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/albania/albaf-bases.htm
Also if you knew a little more about Albania you would know that Albania has a company in Iraq Baghdad and they operate together with the US troops...
also you would know that Albania has some where from 700,000 - 900,000 bunkers that are still operational and in good shape and there another 100,000 that have been destroyed or just been buried...etc and out of use, which makes Albania probably the country with the most bunkers on earth...

And GONAZ... no way that albania could afford 300Humwees ... :)

Ohh yes they can and they have i have seen the photos my self and let me just find them and ill send post it up they are all lined up in one of Albania's Bunkers together with over 100 peaces of US artilery, i don't know why you say they cant afford it their economy is stronger than Macedonia's, Bosnia's & Serbia's, Albania has come a long way from 1990's and if Macedonia the 2nd poorest country in Europe can afford Humvees them I'm pretty sure Albania can which has a 3x stronger economy than them..
ill post the photos very shortly I'm just looking for them

A HUMVEE costs from $60,000 - $100,000 each depending on which type of model and what its armed with...etc soon as you buy more than 50 units the price of them drops by 25% and if Albania has bought 300 them I'm guessing they got them for 50,000 each the basic ones like the ones in the pic below and around 70,000 for the high spec and extra armed ones... so its ill guarantee you that they haven't payed a penny more than $10 milion for those 300 Humvees which is a F-ing bargain.

This is the first batch of the Humvees to come to Albania back in February 2005 its the simple truck version they ordered around 50 of these versions, the other are the standard with a .50 cal MG and another 60 -100 are fitted with the TOW-2 anti tank launchers...
These are at a bunker south of Albania somewhere near Vlora...

by the looks of it theirs around 40 - 50 Humvees in that pic...
http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/37297_1.jpg

Same as the Artillery...
there is around 12 peaces of 155mm M-198 howitzer's, they came in with the Humvees
http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/37296_1.jpg

Gon4z

12-22-2006, 10:14 AM

Look at the Bunkers, Look at the air craft, they are albanian, check their registrations they all check out as albanians chinese migs, nothing in those bunkers is bosnians or ex-yugo, look at teh bunker tey all look the same, look at teh registraions of the cover migs and then youll see the same registration on an uncoverd one,...

Look at the similarities between this bunker where the humvees are and te ones where the aircraft are, i mean tehy do have differences because one is an aircraft bunker and the other a land equipment bunker, but the designe and the materials are very similar those are all teh pics are taken from 4 different bunkers including the Humveee photo...

http://www.medialb.com/forumi/foto/37297_1.jpg

Gon4z

12-22-2006, 10:20 AM

Herers more...

Gon4z

12-22-2006, 10:27 AM

And More....

Gon4z

12-22-2006, 10:34 AM

and the last ones....

Gon4z

12-22-2006, 12:44 PM

That last Photo shows 8 of what we can see thers probably more furtehr down and up te tunell....

They are all Dissasembled Yak-18

Sanchezz

12-22-2006, 05:39 PM

My bad.... I tought its "zeljava" Yugoslav peoples army - underground airfiled near bihac.
heres couple of pics u can se the similarity.It could store 210 mig-21 airplanes.and had a regiment of 900 soldiers serving in it.It was the biggest military investment in ex yugoslavia costing 7,2 billion dollars.
http://images.google.ba/imgres?imgurl=http://members.fortunecity.com/arisak/Z5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://members.fortunecity.com/arisak/NOVE-SLIKE2.html&h=480&w=640&sz=45&hl=bs&start=1&tbnid=ZjyiZczXlFuf1M:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dunderground%2Bbihac%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dbs%26lr %3D%26sa%3DG
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6625/zeljava1a2zq.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/arisak/Z14.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4127/kupolage3.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/arisak/Z5.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/arisak/Z2.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X455wiHCCac&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ni_kiJrpM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVnPxiHb6AM&mode=related&search=

Gon4z

12-22-2006, 06:17 PM

My bad.... I tought its "zeljava" Yugoslav peoples army - underground airfiled near bihac.
heres couple of pics u can se the similarity.It could store 210 mig-21 airplanes.and had a regiment of 900 soldiers serving in it.It was the biggest military investment in ex yugoslavia costing 7,2 billion dollars.

I don't blame you coz Albania's Bunkers were made with some help from Chinese & Soviet directors and all Communist style bunkers are very similar. If you go from Albania to any ex-yugo country you'll see that the housing flats look extremely similar because the architecture was like that at that time...
I'm glad to see that those bunkers are in Bosnia and not Serbia...

Albania has several these sort of Bunkers for Aircraft, its has several hundred other for land equipment, most of stored Tanks, APC's, IFV's, Ammunition...etc are in these sort of Bunkers, it also has a dozen Navla bunkers, & several Chemical weapon bunkers.

Hey do you know where Bilece is, somewhere in souther Bosnia....

tacteam

12-23-2006, 11:36 PM

Gon4z very good explanation. You know alot about my country, and I respect you for that. I dont think I should add any more to what you already stated above. Frankly I dont have the nerve to explain to these guys what we use to have and what we actually have. Lat me put it in a few words. Since 1945 up untill late 80`s we have pruduced, manufactured, build and paid more for the military than any other aspect of our gross growth. The chinese and the russians trades included mostly military aid rather than economical ones. Based in population, we had more soldiers and officers than any other country in the world. Being in a xonophobic closure for 45-50 years, the majority of the expensess were towards the deffense of the country. Enver Hoxha`s dream was to have a military machine that wouldve resisted to any attack, from any country, and somehow he achieved it. Beside all the legal arsenal that we had, we also had the illegal one, cache with weapons of all sorts( in case of we had to retreat and fight a guerrilla war) caches with food of all kinds ( from raw material to can food) that would lasted for more than 2-3years etc etc ... Our artillery(155mm) could have reached well inside Yougoslavia, if we had to attack from the closest points, and these pieces of artillery were stationed in caves, in top of the mountains, close to the border, and they were operated by remote control from well inside secure areas inside the caves. Our navy bunkers were the subs weer stationed, were the most secure ones that the world has seen with one entrance and a secret exit gate ( the gate were manifactured from steel and concret, and their thickness exceded 2m, and were operated by remote) were they could attackthe enemy from behind. The same thing worked for the greeks. As far as our AF goes, Gon4z explained it better than i would, I would like to add though that Italian pilots were terified of us. Every time they had to patrol the Adriatic they would kiss their wife and kids, cuz they knew we were fanatics when it came to defend our borders, and the sovrenity of our country. These are only a few things that I can say tonight , I`ll try to post some pics of that era if im lucky to find any....

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tacteam

12-24-2006, 12:40 AM

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Gon4z

12-24-2006, 12:40 AM

I'am a shqipe as weall, iam of Albanian decent & i can speak albanian...
E kam pa komentin qi e ke lan ne medialb, edhe veq thash te tregoj se nuk jam turk por shqiptar, I have been living in London for long time, but iam originaly from North Kosovo city of Mitrovic, my grandadS FAMILY originates from TROPOJE & Malsia e Madhe, te northern parts of Albania, whils my grandmoreth side is from North Kosovo.

tacteam

12-24-2006, 12:43 AM

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tacteam

12-24-2006, 12:47 AM

I'am a shqipe as weall, iam of Albanian decent & i can speak albanian...E kam pa komentin qi e ke lan ne medialb, edhe veq thash te tregoj se nuk jam turk por shqiptar, I have been living in London for long time, but iam originaly from North Kosovo city of Mitrovic, my grandadS FAMILY originates from TROPOJE & Malsia e Madhe, te northern parts of Albania, whils my grandmoreth side is from North Kosovo.

Po ti fol mor shqipe....Uroj te jesh mire and is good talking to you....we were never 5 million more like 3million, and our armed forces exceded 600.000....

Later....

Gon4z

12-24-2006, 12:50 AM

Po ti fol mor shqipe....Uroj te jesh mire and is good talking to you....we were never 5 million more like 3 million, and our armed forces exceded 600.000....

Later....

LoL... po foli shqip, hehe kam harru krejt qi nuk te kam tregu se jam shiptar... edhe un ty te urioj te njejten...
I though albanians population was round 4 million in the 80's but still, oh well, haveing an almost 1 milion strong military for that population was more than enough..
albania has around 4 million people, because in the 90's almost 1 milion people migrated especialt from 1996 - 2001 and in the early 90's it was over 4 milion, and the totaly albanian population world wide is around 15 million some 6 - 9 million them live are in turkey

VVV
Well Albania was pretty strong in its communist era they were over armed for their populations and size of their country..
With around 160 Fighter jets / 60 helicopters / & 20 transport planes...
some 1200 tanks 700 APC's, & over 500,000 troops now for a country that had around 4 million population at its peek its was extremely armed, and it matched Serbia, it might have been slightly out armed by the whole of Yugoslavia but then again if there was war it would not be between Yugo & Albania but Serbia & Albania, in 1973 war nearly broke out between Bulgaria & Serbia because they killed each other bored guards, the Serbs acted tough till the last minute, when they saw that the Bulgars mobilized their troops and lined up their tanks, the Serbs said no war lets talk...
Albania did have a strong Military all the way up to 1997 up to 1995 over 95% of Albania’s equipment was operational, they got old after the revolution in 1997, after 1997 to much corruption lots of equipment went missing, the new government didn’t give a crap about maintaining...etc
To day Albania might not have the attack capability it had in the communist era, but its still strong enough to defend its self and beat any invasion from, most of its neighbors, like Serbia, & since Macedonia & Montenegro don’t really have a proper military they aren’t a concern to Albania, with Greece Albania would most likely have to fight a guerilla war, & with Italy they can just set bunkers in the batches and try and defend them from stepping on their soil.
Albania still ahs 50 helicopters operational, it can have 30 more in time of war by putting some of the remaining Mi-4 from storage, its still has 500 operational tanks, it can pull out another 400 from storage, and has 450 APC’s operational and can pull another 500 from storage...

Sanchezz

12-24-2006, 09:15 AM

Po ti fol mor shqipe....Uroj te jesh mire and is good talking to you....we were never 5 million more like 3million, and our armed forces exceded 600.000....

Later....

Ok you are lying a little :laugh4: Albania didnt have 1200 tanks it had somwhere betveen 150 and 300 ... And it didnt have 600 000 soldiers but 80 000 - 120 000.No one was allowed to have a private car in albania :) and you couldnt own land except of your backyard.U cannt tell that Albania was a Little owerpowered by yugoslavia - yugoslavia was the 4th european military power at the time so you say that albania was 5th :wub2: .U may forget but yugoslavian budget was 44 billion $ while albanian 1,9 billion$.Enver hodza (president of albania) built bunkers because he wanted to impose "they will attack us " sydrome to albanians so they dont rebel against him and his politics.You may forget but yugoslavia in 1951 gave albania 24% of its budget -that meant that albanian budget was x5 to improve its ecconomy.Enver hodza accused tito that he was reformist and that caused yugoslavia to be expeled from informbiro (communist cooperation union) But albania was lucky because Tito (yugoslav president) didnt want to attack any country and he was peacefull ... otherways yugoslavia could have beat albania in mater of weeks or maybe even days.

tacteam

12-24-2006, 12:45 PM

Ok you are lying a little :laugh4: Albania didnt have 1200 tanks it had somwhere betveen 150 and 300 ... And it didnt have 600 000 soldiers but 80 000 - 120 000.No one was allowed to have a private car in albania :) and you couldnt own land except of your backyard.U cannt tell that Albania was a Little owerpowered by yugoslavia - yugoslavia was the 4th european military power at the time so you say that albania was 5th :wub2: .U may forget but yugoslavian budget was 44 billion $ while albanian 1,9 billion$.Enver hodza (president of albania) built bunkers because he wanted to impose "they will attack us " sydrome to albanians so they dont rebel against him and his politics.You may forget but yugoslavia in 1951 gave albania 24% of its budget -that meant that albanian budget was x5 to improve its ecconomy.Enver hodza accused tito that he was reformist and that caused yugoslavia to be expeled from informbiro (communist cooperation union) But albania was lucky because Tito (yugoslav president) didnt want to attack any country and he was peacefull ... otherways yugoslavia could have beat albania in mater of weeks or maybe even days.

Buba I can assure we had somewhere between, 950-1200 tanks. No one is claiming that we exeeded Yougos power, our military, played only a deffense role, not an attack one. We are very cognitive of the fact that we couldent attack ad maintain an occupied territory. As far as Tito goes, I dont se LUCK being very relevant to what are we talking about. And yes we were under that syndrome, as I previously stated it. It s true that yougos budget was much higher than ours, but Tito reforms, were the ones that put Yougo down to her knees. We dident own a penny to anyone, versas Tito whom owned money everywere, he would ask the East for money threataning that he would go to the West, if refused, and vise-versa with the West. His moto was `` The new generation shouldy pay this debts`` which lead to a bankrupt government, and eventually to war. As far as Yugo defeating Albania, I wont be so sure about it, and eaven if they tried to do so, we would have send the bak in a matter of days....with great deal of caualties...As a matter of fact, we had, actual response plan to attacks from all our neighboring countries...and a very high level of readiness....Also, we had a contigency plan, very detailed with all sorts of surprises, to attack Yugo, and liberate the Albanian people and the Albanian lands, occupied by the serbs. The plan included more than 150.000 troops and many mechanical divisions, and attack from 6 diff points... We had divisions in Macedonian with Albanian generls, and mostly albanian soldiers that we got assurance, that they will merge with albanian troops to fight against Yougos army...Now, that doesent mean that we were gonna win, but we wouldve tried. Also they got assurance from the Versaille Treaty Troops, that they would not intervene from the closeset points (bulgaria etc etc)When they realised the cost of it, they decided to back of. So, if I were you, I would not go around saying that the Yougos would have taken us in a matter of weeks....that is very unlikely, and I can assure you of it.

Gon4z

12-25-2006, 02:21 AM

Ok you are lying a little :laugh4: Albania didnt have 1200 tanks it had somwhere betveen 150 and 300 ... And it didnt have 600 000 soldiers but 80 000 - 120 000.No one was allowed to have a private car in albania :) and you couldnt own land except of your backyard.U cannt tell that Albania was a Little owerpowered by yugoslavia - yugoslavia was the 4th european military power at the time so you say that albania was 5th :wub2: .U may forget but yugoslavian budget was 44 billion $ while albanian 1,9 billion$.Enver hodza (president of albania) built bunkers because he wanted to impose "they will attack us " sydrome to albanians so they dont rebel against him and his politics.You may forget but yugoslavia in 1951 gave albania 24% of its budget -that meant that albanian budget was x5 to improve its ecconomy.Enver hodza accused tito that he was reformist and that caused yugoslavia to be expeled from informbiro (communist cooperation union) But albania was lucky because Tito (yugoslav president) didnt want to attack any country and he was peacefull ... otherways yugoslavia could have beat albania in mater of weeks or maybe even days.

I'am pretty sure we did have over 1,000 tanks I mean we had 600 Type 59 (Chinese copy of T-55) so just our Type-59 surpassed your number plus another 250 T-55 & T-54, and don’t forget during 60's, 70's & 80's the whole of the western world thought that Albania was even stronger that it really was because of its isolation, what you saying is like saying that North Korea is not strong to day and they don’t have over 300 tanks and only has 80,000 troops North Korea is the new version of Communist Albania but it seems that their lead had a better plan of maintaining the power even after they die..
You can’t compeer Yugos budget to Albania’s. Albania had around 4 million population compared to Yugoslavia’s over 20 million, Albania’s Military was always based on attack, whilst Yugos on defense, and of Yugo being 4th didn’t mean crap Serbia still backed down when Bulgaria mobilized its troops to invade Serbia.
plus the over 600,000 bunkers we have are of big use, they were strong reliable easy to maintain, easy to move all you had to do is dig a hole and drop it in, they were quiet strong, in 99 a US plane hit an Albanian bunker with some sort of bomb "accidentally" bear the border with Kosovo the bunker went flying 50 meters in the air and came down but it didn’t break, having that many bunkers is a good thing from withstanding an invasion...

Yep our women or stunning, to my personal taste Albanian, Greek, Turkish & Arabic/Persian women are the most beautiful in the world.

Mohmar 'Deathstrike'

02-08-2007, 06:21 PM

I think the question is when will you?
Populations:

Albania: 3,298,613

Belarus: 10,293,011

Bulgaria: 7,385,367

Macedonia: 2,050,554

Romania: 22,303,552

Ukraine: 46,710,816.Per Capita means Per Person. So the information I posted is already adjusted to population size. This means that Albanians ARE the 5th poorest people in Europe. So the information I posted is already adjusted to population size.

Most of the information in the world fact book is out of date it is from 2001 like the population number the religion % the ethnicity % the economy the military…etc the 2006 est is added to evry linke dosent make it correct
Don’t run head on into the fact book because its not e very correct try looking some where else like this dud here
Albania: $8,334 to this source but it much highers since 30 billion divided by 3.3 million population not 3.6.Yeah, except you pulled that source straight outta your ***.

What I don’t understand why you are still writing about the economy it is not an economical thread if you wish we can make one and not disscus enomics hereBecause you started writing incorrect economical information.

Nice pictures btw.I know they aren’t in the European Union, I just abbreviate Europe as a continent as EU sometimes out of ignorance and laziness. Thanks for the correction none the less.Haha, I thought you might've, thats why I added additional info about other non-EU European states.

Gon4z

02-08-2007, 06:44 PM

Albanians economy GDP is worth approximately $25 - 30 billion as of 2005 approximately excluding its other large grey economy that is at least 50% more on top of the official figure including the figure is way over $32 billion

World fact book: (Albania has a large grey economy that may be as large as 50% of official GDP)

Hummm what does that tell you 50% so theirs another $30 billion undeclared on top of the official figure, mate we build our economy after communism with Cocaine, Arms dealing and may other illegal ways our president made a 4 year gap where anything was legal to rebuild the economy from 1992 – 1996.
85% of agricultural in the country was cocaine & Heroin, we were the biggest cocaine distributor in Europe we still are but in secret now you have no idea how much of our weaponry was and still is sold in Africa Liberia Sierra Leone…etc…etc from 1989
Didn’t you find it strange how our country economy the poorest in Europe quadrupled in 4 years?

Most of our money is undeclared we had and have many secrets weather its economically militarily as in many sources across Europe and north America its stated that Albanian Mafia is one of the strongest and largest to day and the most secretive, the Mafia works for our government your governments have CIA / NSA / MI6...etc we have found a better way to gather information make money and strengthen our economy using organized crime so 70% of what the mafia make abroad goes back to our country just like during the war the biggest financer of the UÇK was our Mafia our mafia is also the best inelegance gathering source
we have lots of military equipment that is undeclared and hidden over 800,000 bunkers across Albania and 70% of the country is mountaines region thousands of places to hides stuff. Albanians per capital is at least $8,000 with out including its other large grey economy.

So if you are going to use inaccurate and incorrect sources as fact then take your time to read it very carefully at least 3 times because I can see your brain has a hard time comprehending letters so you just go for numbers straight away and present it as it states, this might help you not to make an A$$ out of your self

10 years (shown and 40 others) steady figures and suddenly in 1995 ($7 billion to $18 billion & 18,840 to 530,906)
WOW that a BIG jump :biggrin1:

1980:
Gross Domestic Product 17,411
GDP at Purchasing Power Parity $4.836 billion

1985:
Gross Domestic Product 18,896
GDP at Purchasing Power Parity $6.891 billion

1990:
Gross Domestic Product 18,840
GDP at Purchasing Power Parity $7.233 billion

1995:
Gross Domestic Product 530,906
GDP at Purchasing Power Parity $17.944 billion

NOW go and do a lot of research on Albania’s true economy and don’t run to wikipedia and world fact book head on for every little thing because they are not very accurate every one runs to them first because they are the easiest place to find figures about a country not because its the best or the most accurate or reliable... LoL I can see you are an anti American but you still use American sources to back you opinions America has proven how good its inelegance is when it came to IRAQ

Wikipedia = GDP per capital = $6,300 (2006 est.)
fact book = GDP per capital = $5,600 (2006 est.)
REALITY = GDP per capital = $8,000 approximately with out including its other large grey economy that is at least 50% more on top of the official figure

KingoftheHill

02-09-2007, 09:34 AM

Thanks Gon4z.

What a blast from the past.

:)

texaerofab

02-10-2007, 12:06 AM

Stanislav

02-10-2007, 03:32 AM

hehe not bad pictures

Mohmar 'Deathstrike'

02-10-2007, 10:52 AM

Cool pictures. MiG-19s have HUDs??

Gon4z

02-10-2007, 12:58 PM

Does anyone here actually live in Albania and can confirm a few things for me? I live in the United States, and there is great confusion about whether Albania actually manufactured an AK-47 type rifle, or if they use Chinese rifles. I know Albania did manufacture a unique SKS rifle, as I have one made at the Umgramsh factory in my collection. I have what I believe to be an Albanian manufacture 30rd. steel AK-47 magazine, but I need someone to confirm this for me. Thanks for all your help.

I have a photo, but the forum will not let me post because I do not have a high enough post count. If someone would like to post it for me, I would appreciate it.

Thank you.

From 1950 – 1960 we had Russian rifles from 1959 we bough the license to copy our Ak-47 rifles but production did not start until mid 1960’s since we broke relations we USSR and teamed with china I don’t have an idea what the models are called but we build normal Ak-47 we build short versions similar to AK-74u we also build sniper rifles which luckily I know what the sniper model is called (TIP-C / TYPE-C) those photos show an Albania AKs-47 we mainly produced the Aks with the metal bendable shoulder peace i will find some more photos of the shorter versions although the shorter version was mainly prototypes it entered small number for NAVY air force and special forces in the late 70's and 80's of production but never mass produced for the whole army.

Yes the SKS is pretty good a lot of people like it because of its unique look but I personally think and prefer the YUGOSLAV TYPE 59 SKS I think it was the best SKS variant ever made

Cool pictures. MiG-19s have HUDs??

Yes we modified all our MIG’s 15/17/19 to with HUD’s also to be able to fire missiles…etc
That dud in the Mig-19 is not me BTW... lol

They can afford to fire live missles? :roflmao3:

Yes we can unlike some of our neighbors but at this day and age it not worth keeping them operational just costs a lot of money but if needed in time of war most of our aircraft are in pretty good shape to handed roles such as ground support since they wont really have any other roles

Gon4z, will Albanian use the Bo-105K in the Anti-Tank role?

Cheers

That’s the plan to use them as anti-tank helicopters most of them if not all as said are said to be equipped with missiles and used by the ARMY and our Allouettes III and As.350 to be handed over to Police and ministry of health

But the way that the region is being affected by the status in Kosova and Serbia and by today mass protests in Kosova and more to come another war does look more than possible and Albania cant wait for the Bo-105 they might turn some where else for quick purchase most likely Turkey, Iran, Syria or Egypt Heck !!! e even ISRAEL since they owe us a huge favor for saving over 4 million Jews during WWII and since I can probably say we are the only Muslims that the Jews like and since non of the western countries would sell us any military hardware in those sort of times

A lot of Combat happened around the border during 1999 between Albanian Forces and Serbian Forces not always formal but yes both Serbia and Albania downed the border with their MIG-21 no losses of aircraft were reported also that Albania saw that a war was going to happen in Kosovo that why it bough some new military equipment from East Germany like the Mig-23, T-62A, T62M, BMP-1, BMP-2, BRDM-2, BRDM-3 because the president at that time who helped build our economy was more than prepared to go into full war with Serbia so that’s why Greece and Serbia invested some 10 billion dollars to down SALI BERISHAS government in 1997 after Serbia saw that there had been new purchase of many new military hardware that can more than match Serbia’s and Albania’s Economy at that time was just a little higher if not the same as/than Serbia’s officially and since Serbia was suffering from sanction they could not take that risk so they invested some where around 10 billion with the help of Greece to down Albania’s government by creating those pyramid schemes and put Fatos Nano In charge which BTW was a Greek gypsy as found out recently who would be a pro Greek and when you’re a pro Greek then your definitely a pro Serb but he did not have much effect since the generals in the Army did not listen to him they could not into war with Serbia but they were not said you cant give the KLA/UÇK heavy weaponry and also shell Kosovo side of the border with artillery than to a lot of Help from the Albanian army and the Mujahadeens the KLA was able to break the border with 280 soldiers being outnumber by Serb forces 7 to one

Mohmar 'Deathstrike'

02-10-2007, 02:25 PM

War is unlikely in Kosovo as long as KFOR exists.

Gon4z

02-10-2007, 02:31 PM

War is likely but not full out war straight away first civil war with in Kosovo with a lot of the KFOR forc geting attacked and it could turn like IRAQ a 4 way war with in Kosovo Serbs Albanians Minorities KFOR and as history has told us in every civil war all international forces are pulled out like in Uganda Rwanda...etc all the world can do is send UN forces to create buffer zones like SREBRENICA which will prove very ineffective

There was Mass Protest today in Kosovo and they turned quiet violent and there is more to come and as our history goes first mass protests turning violent then attacks on police forces and then war, by the looks of it we are going down that same road again. Once the international forces leave there is no doubt that Serbia will invade again but what we don’t whant is Albania getting directly into war because they are a country we have to lean on for all support and supplies and if they enter the war they will be sanctioned but if they help us informally then they stay natural and Serbia gets sanctioned easier for us to win. INSHALLAH

AK-47 Kalashnikov

02-12-2007, 12:26 AM

can anybody tell me what the albanians have in there arsenal ??

KingoftheHill

02-12-2007, 12:34 AM

can anybody tell me what the albanians have in there arsenal ??
In terms of what?

AK-47 Kalashnikov

02-12-2007, 12:40 AM

like for example, what tanks do they have right now, cannons, airplanes, heli,APC's, and so on ?

KingoftheHill

02-12-2007, 03:00 PM

Brother Gon4z, what did Albania use the IL-28?

Some used F-5 upgraded to a modern standard for Albania would be nice huh??

Gon4z

02-12-2007, 03:19 PM

Brother Gon4z, what did Albania use the IL-28?

We had at first an IL-25 but it was exchanged for and Chinese H-5 I'am not to sure but i think mainly reconnaissance and small time bombing missions
ill try and find out more information on the IL-28 for you bro because I’am not quiet sure what it was used for so those are just guesses.

Some used F-5 upgraded to a modern standard for Albania would be nice huh??

You mean Northrop F-5E Tiger II Ye man I really like them and the F-4 but I don’t think we would get them the government wants to spend the least on the air force if not at all until at around 2010 then they are looking to most likely get some F-16 and L-159 but that’s still 3 years away we have to see what happens

AK-47 Kalashnikov

02-12-2007, 04:36 PM

heheh thanks Gon4z, thats some good info on the albanian military, :) Albania alot of good stuff in the Equipment :)

AK-47 Kalashnikov

02-12-2007, 04:36 PM

ill post some Albanian Military Pics

Gon4z

02-12-2007, 04:38 PM

Thanx
Ye there is some good stuff but a lot of old stuff as weal but INSHALLAH some new and better weaponry in the near future

AK-47 Kalashnikov

02-12-2007, 08:32 PM

Albanian Forces in Iraq

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8334/04os8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5391/06wc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Albanian and American Soldier

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/3973/05oe1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/344/060127a0412t005albanianhg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Albanian and American Soldier

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6548/960817m4424h007screenva5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Albanian and American Soldiers training together

AK-47 Kalashnikov

02-15-2007, 04:37 PM

Albanian military and its future

T-62M tanks...35 bought from Germany from ex-East German stocks. Will serve as a stop-gap measure until the purchase in 2006 of a new Main Battle Tank for the Army. Armed with a 115mm gun.

M-113A2 APC...122 delivered from ex-US/Turkish/Italian stocks. Original armament replaced with a 12.7mm Chinese-made MG.

BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV)...17 delivered from ex-East German stocks. Will serve till 2006 for when a new IFV is purchased. Armed with a 73mm gun and AT-3 anti-tank guided missiles.

BMP-2 IFV...9 delivered from ex-East German stocks. Will serve till 2006 as a stop-gap vehicle for when a new IFV is purchased. Armed with a 30mm cannon and AT-5 anti-tank guided missiles.

BRDM-1 armored vehicle...17 are in service. Armed with a 12.7mm MG

BRDM-2 armored vehicle...24 delivered from ex-East German service. Armed with a 14.5mm gun.

HMMWV armored car...260 delivered from ex-US stocks. 100 of these are to be armed with TOW-2 anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) launchers