Australian PM, howard boy, gets uppity , thinks he's a yank,slap down follows swiftly

[azrael]

Mr. Howard, a conservative leader who is a close ally of the White House, denounced Mr. Obama’s proposal to withdraw American combat troops from Iraq by March 31, 2008. In a television interview in Australia, Mr. Howard said the senator’s redeployment plan would simply inspire insurgent violence in Iraq.

“If I were running Al Qaeda in Iraq,” Mr. Howard said, “I would put a circle around March 2008 and be praying as many times as possible for a victory not only for Obama but also for the Democrats.”

In a news conference here, Mr. Obama dismissed the remarks, saying it was “flattering that one of George Bush’s allies on the other side of the world started attacking me the day after I announced.”

Mr. Obama said Australia had sent 1,400 troops to Iraq, a fraction of the American force.

“If he’s ginned up to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest that he calls up another 20,000 Australians and send them to Iraq,” Mr. Obama said. “Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of empty rhetoric.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/12/us/politics/12aussie.html

[attitude]

Election time soon
Time to vote in Kevin Rudd
Then things will be better and he will cancel the F-35 and buy the F-22 also :D

[Chris]

I support howard he doesnt take **** from mussy's.

[azrael]

....he will cancel the F-35...

I thought it was the usaf that was in charge of cancelling the f-35 :) He really does think he's prime minister of america afterall. :)

I support howard he doesnt take **** from mussy's.

Poor little baby, did you make a mushy in your trousers again?

Rudd's leading howard boy 48-43 and if howard can't stop picking on the obama, in the mistaken notion that the yanks share his dislike of 'darkies' than chances are good that gap will continue to widen to his great dissatisfaction, that is assuming he doesn't fancy a long holiday after all these years of fine public servicing.

[Chris]

oo thats in the parliment not in the public.

if he disliked them dont you think hed send them to there heritaged country the fact is alot of the muslims course problems in australia k.

[lulldapull]

I am disappointed every day from what I have been learning about Howard and his policies. He wants to dismantle the social services here and get rid of free medicare. That is a dangerous concept as having seen the disastrous results of that in the U.S. where 40 million ppl out of 300 million don't have any access to heatlhcare. The social services support for poor families doesnot exist, and the entire industry outsourced to India and China. We don't want that here!

Thank god he's going to go, and save our Australian jobs for us Ozzie's. The hell with Bush, his warmongering, and his policies. The Ozzie's will never allow this repugnant American culture of the have's and havenots here.

I am most dissappointed by the fact that every large company doing business in the australian mining and resources sector is either American, British or Canadian owned. No wonder Mr Howard has to kow-tow his paymasters. He dare not say a word.....or else.

The last Ozzie to confront these thugs in the White house was smeared, humiliated and not allowed to win back in the 70's.:)

[lulldapull]

oo thats in the parliment not in the public.

if he disliked them dont you think hed send them to there heritaged country the fact is alot of the muslims course problems in australia k.

Chris muslims are not causing any problems in Australia. They are less than 3% of the population. :) They are an insignificant minority. the problem is that to justify all this WOT and Australia's participation in it, Howard has been stirring the pot. Nothing more.

[sayenforever]

I support howard he doesnt take **** from mussy's.

Chris - your real name is Avi isn't it? Avi Ben Schlomo? I'm kidding, but your English is pretty lousy for a 'Chris'.

Let me tell you something mister! We muslims love Bush!! No president has done more to offend, denigrate, and UNITE muslims - ever! I wish he could get a third term, the neocons have been a blessing in disguise. It took a redneck and some zionists to bring us to our senses...

lulldapull - I don't know about Australia, but the assumption that privatisation is better than state owned enterprises is coming to an end. Outsourcing is basically only good for large companies, there is an increasing divergence between macroeconomic indicators and the standard of living. The US index keeps going up, but people are worse off than ever, when the property bubble bursts, its going to be a disaster.

The worst thing is, with countries owning trillions of dollars worth of US debt, than when the US begins to default on their debt, they're going to drag down a lot of countries with them. Add increasingly correlated markets due to globalisation, and you have a recipe for disaster.

[Chris]

Chris muslims are not causing any problems in Australia. They are less than 3% of the population. :) They are an insignificant minority. the problem is that to justify all this WOT and Australia's participation in it, Howard has been stirring the pot. Nothing more.

If im not correct there political leaders have been starting crap , lebanese muslims bash people in a group cause there australians..i dnt see how howard stirs the pot with the muslims hes done nothing , simple thing if they dont like australia or its people why dnt they leave.

[Chris]

Chris - your real name is Avi isn't it? Avi Ben Schlomo? I'm kidding, but your English is pretty lousy for a 'Chris'.

Let me tell you something mister! We muslims love Bush!! No president has done more to offend, denigrate, and UNITE muslims - ever! I wish he could get a third term, the neocons have been a blessing in disguise. It took a redneck and some zionists to bring us to our senses...

lulldapull - I don't know about Australia, but the assumption that privatisation is better than state owned enterprises is coming to an end. Outsourcing is basically only good for large companies, there is an increasing divergence between macroeconomic indicators and the standard of living. The US index keeps going up, but people are worse off than ever, when the property bubble bursts, its going to be a disaster.

The worst thing is, with countries owning trillions of dollars worth of US debt, than when the US begins to default on their debt, they're going to drag down a lot of countries with them. Add increasingly correlated markets due to globalisation, and you have a recipe for disaster.

why are you talking about bush....im australian i dnt give a crap about bush..

[Abbas]

I support howard he doesnt take **** from mussy's.

Do you have an Intelectual bone in your body or are you just born that way?

[sayenforever]

I think he's very bright.

Also, maybe he has a point, maybe muslims are misbehaving in Australia? But lets face it - long-haired, unwashed, Australian neanderthals go around dragging their knuckles along the ground and being aggressive everywhere they go, so those muslims should fit right in. Tee hee.

I like New Zealanders a lot better, much more civilised...

[sayenforever]

Am I still a corporal?

But my posts is well wiked man! I shud be general by now y'knooow.

Raaaaas

[apple_fritta]

From am economic POW, i would support Rudd. why? as lull said erlier, lack of welfare. Day by day australias economy is becoming 'freeER'. Meaning the governments role towards helping the poor is reducing! The howard gov moves towards a freeER economy, Rudd's moves towards the other end (towards being more leniant).
About the f-35 vs f22 issue, i rekon aus should just go for the f35, costs less, little brother of f22 and also it would mean australia would have wasted 144 mil bucks that it put into the f35 lightining project.
I AM NOT OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE YET, BUT MY VOTE GOES FOR RUDD, I KNOW MY FAMILY IS VOTING FOR HIM!
Australia should invest more in increasing its navy..massive coast line, yet the size is very similar to that of PN....

[apple_fritta]

I think he's very bright.

Also, maybe he has a point, maybe muslims are misbehaving in Australia? But lets face it - long-haired, unwashed, Australian neanderthals go around dragging their knuckles along the ground and being aggressive everywhere they go, so those muslims should fit right in. Tee hee.

I like New Zealanders a lot better, much more civilised...

lol your definately reffering to people of arab back ground there! (i dont mean to be offensive!! :) ) but its a fact, people of arabic back ground tend to get in trouble more than that of other backgrounds here in australia, so much so, these people tuen out to be muslim...I mean, if an aussie guy rapes a girl, no ones gives a poo about who done it...where as when a muslim does it its all over the news untill that criminal is jailed for good.:suspicious4:

[azrael]

if an aussie guy rapes a girl, no ones gives a poo about who done it...where as when a muslim does it its all over the news untill that criminal is jailed for good.:suspicious4:

Australia is struggling with ths issue, aquaintance rape is very prevalent and it's very hard to educate the average australian that that sort of behaivour is inappropriate. Australia started out as a penal colony with an unnaturally high ratio of men to women, this resulted in a high degree of homosexuality and a very promiscuis attitude towards the sharing of women amongst friends either thru informal relationships or organized rape. Ever wonder where the term 'mate' originated from? Men who tended to pair off in those days called their significant other(also male) their mate, i.e. mating partner.

After awhile australia's population ratio stabilizied at 50-50 male to female as births(skips) in the colony overtook immigration as the main contributer to the demagraphic numbers. When this occured there was an incredible backlash against the the norms of the 'penal' colony era. Homosexuality became taboo as men adopted a hyper macho behaivour pattern to overcompensate for what had happened before and words such as 'mate' took on new meanings as australia tried to reinvent itself. But somethings still linger, australia still has one of the highest rates of homosexuality in the world and the treatment of women, i.e. forced sex by friends is still prevalent, according to the australia federal government statistics, australia has the highest per capita rape rate amongst industrialized nations and ~90% of all rapes are commited by persons who know the victims(boyfriends, fathers, uncles, family friends). Maybe the umbrage most aussies take when one of these pro-hariri lebs rapes a girl stems from the fact that they're not a close acquantience of the victim?

I don't want to get into the position of dictating what an other nation should do or not do, very un-iranian sort of business in my opinion, but it stands to be said that in iran rapist tend to hang rather quickly after their crimes and this has helped keep everyone's trousers in the upright position.

Here's a review of an aussie film trying to portray the forced prostitution of women and children in australia's early history as a romantic journey; this is the mindset of most aussies towards the subject.



“The Floating Brothel“ A documentary screened Thursday 23rd November at 8.30, ABC, Director Mark Lewis
This is yet another dark chapter in British history, coming to an Australian audience. Courtesy of the ABC and BBC It is a chapter that the collective British and Australian conscience would prefer to have promoted as one where the victims actually enjoyed rape and slavery and were much better off for the experience. This is reinforced in The Floating Brothel.
The request by first fleet Governor Philip in 1789 for women to be sent to the colony to quell the fear that the men from Van Diemens Land were suffering from depravity ran into difficulty.
There were not enough young women in the prisons to fill the ship the Lady Juliana. Consequently women, girls and children were plucked from prisons all over Britain. Destined to be sex slaves, women at this time in British law were not considered persons. They were taken from their country of birth and tagged sexual commodity and destined for Van Diemans Land.
We are led to believe that the enslaved children, girls and women aboard the ship had a rollicking good time. Ships steward, John Nichols, who romantically dictated his experience some thirty years after the fact, bases this on his subjective description of life aboard the Lady Juliana. What would the women have said? The girls? Or the children? . That this view is promoted as truth in 2006 is plainly wrong and ignores all current research or women’s written accounts from the time.
Young girls and women we are told were taken as ships wives That is, they were taken as sex slaves. Rape was rampant with the power differentiation between the overseers and the sexual cargo clearly manifest. Yet this documentary tries to sell us the idea that it was the children, the young girls and women who were in the position of power. On the streets of London or towns and villages, children, girls and women were not the powerful. They had no citizenship rights, no right to property, no right to retain any income they earned, no safety from sexual harassment on the job, comparatively little access to schooling and certainly no right to secondary or tertiary education, and no equal pay. How, then, could they possibly be in control or hold power where they were prisoners under sentence of transportation, held on a ship at sea, with no means of escape apart from flinging themselves to a watery death.
Through their own inner strength and capacity for resistance, they survived this ordeal and, as with many women today given an opportunity, the strongest and most fortunate later managed to make a living through a variety of business enterprises. It is wrong to assume that if it hadn’t been for the brothel experience on board this ship that they would not have become businesswomen. Is it seriously suggested that imprisonment, transportation, sexual exploitation, rape and abuse are prerequisites for a successful business career if one is an eighteenth century female?
The documentary promotes the idea that woman aboard the ship engaged in rampant prostitution yet prostitution necessitates payment. It is only pregnancy that these women have to show as payment after their journey. We are told by a lasciviously smiling British expert that working class women were not like the middle classes, they treated sex as a part of life as eating and drinking The evidence for this is not forthcoming as is the scarcity of evidence for other sweeping generalizations peppering the program.
The viewer is led to believe that the ship was full of prostitutes. Yet of the three young women that their ancestors followed, only one was a prostitute. In the evidence she describes how the man who charged her with theft of his clothes was very drunk and so perhaps she was particularly clever in her approach to the trade. This is not explored, but it is further evidenced by the fact that she went on to become the first women hotelier in Hobart. Clearly, she had some knowledge of alcoholic beverages.
Of the other two characters whose stories were followed, one was a child and one stole wheat, presumably in order to feed herself or her family. No prostitution there and, for the child, even suggesting she was a prostitute indicates a particular mindset on the part of The Floating Brothel makers. A child is a child is a child whether in the eighteenth century or now, and can hardly be classed as a prostitute, as a powerful person, or as somehow one in control.
Mark Lewis, The Floating Brothel’s writer/director is quoted as saying:
I first came across the story five years ago after reading Sian Rees's book The Floating Brothel I read it in a day from cover to cover. It was like a novel, a great bawdy romp with a gripping narrative and characters that leapt off the page. It had all the ingredients of a rip-roaring yarn and [had] something intelligent to say about a nation's history.
The depiction of The Floating Brothel in the program relayed through the television airwaves was not just like a novel. Surely it was more fiction than fact.
It is neither intelligent nor entertaining to have the idea of “a great bawdy romp” propel the story, with hammock swinging buttocks and swishing servant bottoms the focus of our nations history. Australia’s convict history is a significant feature of the past, with strong links into the present. The ABC’s Floating Brothel is more a male fantasy than historical rendition viewers are entitled to expect.
Masquerading as documentary, this slow moving dreary yarn continues to promote the cliché where investigation, intellectual exploration and story-telling based in the realities of the lives of children, girls and women transported as bodies for sex-fodder is required. Sadly, the real story, that of how after these girls and women survived this rape ordeal they went on to become business women was just an after thought, a couple of minutes at the end of a long boring so called documentary.
KB
25th November 2006
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/132520_comment.php

[apple_fritta]

i never spoke about cex :S y u tell me that?? LOL oh well.

[apple_fritta]

i never spoke about cex :S y u tell me about that?? oh well!

[TMK]

If im not correct there political leaders have been starting crap , lebanese muslims bash people in a group cause there australians..i dnt see how howard stirs the pot with the muslims hes done nothing , simple thing if they dont like australia or its people why dnt they leave.

I partially agree with you on one point - a small minority of the lebanese youth thugs misbehave in Australia a lot. But that doesnt mean the whole lebanese community or particularly the muslim community. The reason for that is because they feel neglected generally by the community and the sense of belongingness. So dont go making a youth issue into a political generalisation because youre doing nothing but being racist and prejudice. And in my opinion, Mr Howard has done nothing to improve relationship between australian public and muslim community. In fact, he's just added more fuel to the fire with alienating the muslim community through the media by always blaming them for not 'assimilating' enough and making a point where the religious and social values clash.

regards

[apple_fritta]

botton line, lebenese comunity are a bunch of hyppocrits. Not just the muslim part of it, whole comunity. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I AM A MUSLIM MY SELF. I myself have quite a few aussie friends and they are totaly cool with multiculturalism. Lebs only three things on thier minds....1. start fights, 2. get laid, 3.look all innocent and oppressed.

For heavens sake cant they just drop the friggin attitude (no hard feelings attitude brother! :D )

[TMK]

^^^^ LoL sad but true

[apple_fritta]

^^^^ LoL sad but true

indeed.

I also have many lebenese/middleastern friends.....and yet still i have come to that conclusion. :err2:

[Kiwi]

Chris muslims are not causing any problems in Australia. They are less than 3% of the population. :) They are an insignificant minority. the problem is that to justify all this WOT and Australia's participation in it, Howard has been stirring the pot. Nothing more.

thats right theres around 280,000 of them, mostly in Sydney thank god:wub2:

And hopefully they will stay a minority.

[Kiwi]

I think he's very bright.

Also, maybe he has a point, maybe muslims are misbehaving in Australia? But lets face it - long-haired, unwashed, Australian neanderthals go around dragging their knuckles along the ground and being aggressive everywhere they go, so those muslims should fit right in. Tee hee.

I like New Zealanders a lot better, much more civilised...

Yes New Zealanders are better :laugh4:

And yes again muslims do fit right in, they have the same value system, its hard at times to tell them apart. And if that Jack A$$ Johnny has anything to do with it we would be in bed with them. :huh2:

[TMK]

New Zealanders as in the Anglo-Saxons are good. The maoris (the correct way of spelling?!) are a bunch of no-good trouble-makers. All they do is get pissed everyday and try and start fights with people. Then again, i might be generalizing.

[azrael]

Then again, i might be generalizing.

Ya think? :)