Why do Muslims kill Muslims?

[ThePuss]

Is the life of a fellow muslim so cheap that another muslim would take it to make US forces in Iraq look bad and cannot control the country?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6356339.stm
BBC NEWS
Suicide van bomb shakes Baghdad
A van crammed with explosives has exploded near a college in western Baghdad, killing at least 16 people.

The van exploded in Iskan, a poor area with a large Shia population but where Shia and Sunni live and study together.

At least 45 people were injured in the attack, which reportedly took place in a car park between the college and a large food warehouse.

Correspondents say this is the first substantial bombing on the west side of the river this year.

Elsewhere in Iraq, the US military said one of its soldiers was killed in combat in Anbar province.

Regular attacks

The College of Economic Science educates Iraqis from a range of backgrounds, with some Christians alongside Shia and Sunni students.

The blast, shortly before 1000 local time (0700 GMT) destroyed one house and severely damaged others, police said.

The Associated Press reported that a booby-trapped ambulance was also found near the scene of the blast.

The attack is the latest in a string of deadly incidents in Baghdad.

On Monday a series of car bombs in markets in the centre of the Iraqi capital killed at least 76 people and wounded 164.

Thousands of extra US troops are heading to the Iraqi capital to bolster Iraqi forces in a "surge" against militants and bombers.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6356339.stm

Published: 2007/02/13 09:41:51 GMT

© BBC MMVII

[Sajjad]

No this is not true. Why is there murder in US? In Russia? China? UK? Anywhere? Christians kill Christians. Jews kill Jews. What is difference in Muslims?

HEHEHE, you think they are the one making bombs everyday? And if some of them do, to make USA look bad?? Brotherrrrr come noww.

[ThePuss]

No this is not true. Why is there murder in US? In Russia? China? UK? Anywhere? Christians kill Christians. Jews kill Jews. What is difference in Muslims?

HEHEHE, you think they are the one making bombs everyday? And if some of them do, to make USA look bad?? Brotherrrrr come noww.
Interesting, do you support the death of a muslim as long as the USA suffers for it?

[Sajjad]

Interesting, do you support the death of a muslim as long as the USA suffers for it?

I never support any death of a Muslim, no matter whats. Where do you think I mean that???

[Blue Bloater]

Muslims aren't suppose to be killing muslims. Muslims aren't suppose to be killing innocent people. Muslims aren't suppose to commit suicide. Yet, these murderers claim they're carrying out the will of Allah, by ramming explosive laden cars and trucks into markets, mosques, and schools. They go to neighbordhoods as death squads. This is suppose to be Jihad? This is Islam?

[ThePuss]

I never support any death of a Muslim, no matter whats. Where do you think I mean that???
So that would mean you are against any militia in Iraq that is deliberately trying to de-stabilize the internal situation for their own means where Muslims suffer?

[NEWUSER]

I never support any death of a Muslim, no matter whats. Where do you think I mean that???

I think they are waiting for you to draw them a picture, because clearly they do not speak english...

I for one, ignore people that come with just flaming questions, because one has to be entirely out of this world to ask such questions. And notice how they always end their comments with IS THIS ISLAM?

I have a better question, why don't THEY educate themselves about ISLAM if they care so much? Right, they do not care.

They just want to flame Muslims as if any of them have met these people who are Muslims and killing other muslims, they are so sure of it, they made it a case... pathetic indeed....

[sayenforever]

why do muslims kill muslims:

When a court sentences the accused in a courtroom of a capital offence in a muslim country (for example murder), the (muslim) accused is executed by muslims.

Sometimes a head of state has to go to war or put down an insurrection within the country, leading to deaths. Sometimes in these types of situations muslims kill muslims.

On other occasions governments become oppressive, and muslims fight to liberate themselves and muslims die. These are called revolutions.

All of the above happen to all religions and races. At this point I'm tempted to say lets move on, but instead I'll say this:

The muslims world is coming through a time of unprecedented ignorance. We have come a long way, and there is a little further to go.

This ignorance is the cause of much of the killing, in particular by Saudi supported and affiliated 'salafist' groups who have no intellect.

What no one has noticed about Iraq is that many groups are gaining experience also called 'Battle Innoculation' in Iraq that they will then use in their own countries, I am particularly worried about Turkey.

Lastly I cannot see Israel not playing a hand in much of the Sunni-Shia violence. Relations between Israel and the Iraqi provisional government were very good in 2003, probably less good now, but that doens't matter anymore because mossad operates freely in Kurdistan training the PKK.

I am sure the Iranians were behind the assasination of a prominent pro american Iraqi scholar. That was a politically motivated muslim killing of a muslim for geopolitical reasons of energy security and regional influence.

My aim here was to complicate this thread before it got oversimplified. Did I succeed?

[ThePuss]

I think they are waiting for you to draw them a picture, because clearly they do not speak english...

I for one, ignore people that come with just flaming questions, because one has to be entirely out of this world to ask such questions. And notice how they always end their comments with IS THIS ISLAM?

I have a better question, why don't THEY educate themselves about ISLAM if they care so much? Right, they do not care.

They just want to flame Muslims as if any of them have met these people who are Muslims and killing other muslims, they are so sure of it, they made it a case... pathetic indeed....
So your view is that these bombings in Iraq are not carried out by Muslims but by outside forces.
Care to share with us where you think think these forces are from so we can concentrate world opinion on them or is it just Muslims killing Muslims after all?
There is no problem here as the Christians don't even like each other, just ask the Catholics and Protestants how they get along?
Why should the Muslims be any different.

[Blue Bloater]

I think they are waiting for you to draw them a picture, because clearly they do not speak english...

I for one, ignore people that come with just flaming questions, because one has to be entirely out of this world to ask such questions. And notice how they always end their comments with IS THIS ISLAM?

I have a better question, why don't THEY educate themselves about ISLAM if they care so much? Right, they do not care.

They just want to flame Muslims as if any of them have met these people who are Muslims and killing other muslims, they are so sure of it, they made it a case... pathetic indeed....

It's a very legitimate question. If the Quran teaches us not to kill innocent people, not to commit suicide, not to kill muslims then why are these people committing such acts claiming it's the will of Allah. Don't you believe these are grave sins? If you do, why do you dance around the subject claiming this is the an attempt to flame muslims?

To answer your question. I've read the Quran. The same Quran i've had for the past 15 years. So I know something about it.

[Blue Bloater]

I am sure the Iranians were behind the assasination of a prominent pro american Iraqi scholar. That was a politically motivated muslim killing of a muslim for geopolitical reasons of energy security and regional influence.

That's what it's all about really. It's not about Islam. It's about their own self-serving struggle towards more power. It's always been like this. Why is there wahabism, sunnism, and shiasm, when the Quran states that religious sects are a form of Idoltary? It's their own path to power.

[IRGC]

Wahabism is not a religious sect, their a political group.

[Blue Bloater]

Wahabism is not a religious sect, their a political group.

Well, more of branch of Sunni Islam. And that proves my point even more.

[Sajjad]

Well, more of branch of Sunni Islam. And that proves my point even more.

There are not supposed to be ANY sects. If you truly understand Islam, then you must know something about its history. Read about the time of when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was born, and then after he died what happened, with his family (pbut).

ONCE you have read ALL this, only THEN will you know the real Islam. There is only ONE Islam. Shia Islam is not a sects, the followers of Muhammad (pbuh) and his family are called Shias. Until you know EVERY details of histories of what I have said to you friend, then can we speak.

[Sajjad]

So that would mean you are against any militia in Iraq that is deliberately trying to de-stabilize the internal situation for their own means where Muslims suffer?

Yes that is correct.

[def]

Wahabism is not a religious sect, their a political group.

shia'sm is political not religious group too.

[def]

There is only ONE Islam. Shia Islam is not a sects, the followers of Muhammad (pbuh) and his family are called Shias

were was the sh'ia in abu baker and omar period ?
can you belive that prophet muhammad came with his message to establish ruling dynasty ?

[abdou]

Well since most people here say that they have read about islam and know loads about it, then they must have pasted by the 7adeeth el shareef where the prophet sala allahou 3laiyhi wa salam said that these days will come.

he described them clearly saying that a muslim will kill a fellow muslim with out the killer knowing why or the killed knowing for wat reason he was killed.

it is also mentioned that this is a sign as the end of time.


thanks,

[def]

Well since most people here say that they have read about islam and know loads about it, then they must have pasted by the 7adeeth el shareef where the prophet sala allahou 3laiyhi wa salam said that these days will come.

he described them clearly saying that a muslim will kill a fellow muslim with out the killer knowing why or the killed knowing for wat reason he was killed.

it is also mentioned that this is a sign as the end of time.


thanks,

totally i agree with you :(

[sayenforever]

The hadith refers to people (not muslims) not knowing why they were being killed and the killers not knowing why they were killing.

You can adapt this to IRaq today - US soldiers constantly telling the media they don't know what they're still doing in Iraq.

Also there's a hadith about rich families increasing their wealth by using armies to wage war - look at Carlisle Group owned by Bush / Cheney, they get contracts for APCs in Iraq. (Keith Obermann recently commented on this on US TV - Bush profiteering off the war that is).

Lastly I'd like to say:

Muslims kill muslims for political reasons - its rare when muslims kill other muslims for religious reasons, but it happens: Algeria, Pakistan (the disgusting so called 'Sipah Sahaba in Pakistan who think killing Shia muslims during the fajr prayer is their path to Jannah). These groups are almost exclusively Saudi funded, as part of the US approved destabilisation plan for the muslim world. Last, last word - if the EU with their hundreds of thousands of unemployed and uneducated can come to a consensus. And the US with their deep differences (Balck on black, black vs white violence, christians blowing up abortion clinics) can still work together - then the only reason muslims can't is lack of education. What binds the hearts is the deen, and that's not working. So lets educate ourselves and get rid of this Iranian vs Turkish chauvinism, and Iranian vs Saudi rhetoric. Also, we have to completely isolate Saudi so they stop thinking they are the voice of the muslim world. They are a country like any other who happen to have Mecca and Medina on their soil. The Saudi government has to reign in spending on the wahabi; New York - Tel Aviv - Riyadh axis of evil. We can handle the US, and Israel won't be a problem, but the wahabis are an internal risk we cannot afford to ignore.

p.s. they have significantly been reduced in number over the past 10 years (even before 9/11) but cannot be ruled out completely.

Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA) when asked about the defeat of the khawarij: 'They will be in every generation, and the last of them will fight alongside the dajjal'.

[Bosnian]

Why do Muslims kill Muslims?

Muslim never kill Muslim. Muhammed s.a.w.s. says when two Muslims fight and one Muslim kill another Muslim both killer and killed person are kafirs. That means in the moment of killing both stop to be Muslims.

Word Muslim should be interpreted as relation between man and Allah s.w.t.a., so one person can be Muslim in the ayes of people, but he can be kafir under Allah criteria.

"If two Muslims fight with their swards, both killer and killed are in Fire.” Sahaba told “Ya Resullallah, this one is killer, but why murdered? Prophet s.a.w.s. replayed “He tried to kill his brother”. (Hadis)

Another hadis says that Muslim is that man from which hands and tongue are safe other Muslims.

When man goes and implant bomb to kill another Muslim, whether Suni or Shia, he will go to Hell because of two reasons. First because of above hadis, because he killed another Muslim, and second, because of Sura 5:32 Ayet “if somebody kill someone who did not kill anybody, or who does not make mess on the Earth – it is as he killed all people in the World; and if somebody become reason that somebody’s life be saved – it is like he saved life to all people” (in the World). As you can see, this part “someone who did not kill anybody, or who does not make mess on the Earth” is universal and it value for all people in the World, not only Muslims. Be patient with weapons.

[Bosnian]

I think shia'sm designate Law School established by Jaaferi Sadik r.a., it accept Sunna of Prophet Muhammed s.a.w.s. and not sunna of Sahaba r.a.

Remember that Imami Azam Ebu Hanife r.a. did not want to write first Fikh without consulting Imami Jaaferi Sadik r.a. Look this fact: “Imami Ebu Hanife, leader of ehlu sunna firka, asked imami Jaa’feri Sadik, radijallahu anhum: “Ya Resulullah’s grandchield! Did Allah jaleshanuHu left men’s deeds to their free willing (irada) or He force them to do (deeds). He answered him, “Allah jaleshanuHu will not leave Its hakk (right) to His slaves, and, it is not in accordance with His justice to force them, then to punish them.” Hanefi Medheb is the most dominant group of Muslims declaring as “Sunni”, the oldest Law School in Islam. Wahabies try to negate Hanefi Medheb just because it is the most liberal teaching of Islam. Sunni means a person follows Resulullah s.a.w.s. Sunna, and that is why hadis, oral tradition collected in books, is very important for Sunni Muslims. This term “Sunni” do not have to do anything with fitna, division about who should be Halifa and who should not. I found just one difference between Sunni and Shia, one take into the account Sahaba sunna also, as a source of religious practice, and Shi’a do not do that. But in both cases the basic origin is the same: Qur’an and Muhammed s.a.w.s. Sunna.

One man said that this is not a time of mendubs, nice deeds, this is time for Fardul-Ayn – basic practice. As he said, “It is nice to enter toilet with left leg, but today I enter it ten times and I cannot count with which leg I entered”. He wanted to say that for today Muslims it is big think if they can pray five basic daily praying, fast Ramadan, make Hajj. Especially for people living in West with non-Muslims. I am not obliged to say who had to had to be Halifa. In this time, nobody is, even the most extreme Shia. If Allah wanted somebody to be obliged He would put that person in the time and at the place where that question was resolved. We can learn about that, and we should, but making that as problem of this time is baseless, stupid and sin, it is making of fitna. The rule is that you are obliged to act against thinks on which you can influence. We can speak against Sun because it is hot, but that will not change the essence. But we can take umbrella to protect. So we can speak about thinks happened thousand years ago, but we must not act as that happens today and judge on people in accordance with happening thousand years old. There is no Halifa today at all. If you learn about historical events in order to prevent similar thinks today, that is good.

We (Muslims) must know one think. Muhammed s.a.w.s. was told about all munafiks (hypocrites) in then time Muslim society. He did not want to tell Sahaba who that people are. But for sure he did not want to give any duty to that people. Both first four Halifas have been people performing the most important duties during Muhammed s.a.w.s. life. For example, Ebu Bekr was chosen by Prophet Muhammed s.a.w.s., as the only person, to escort him during Hijra. He was Muhammed’s companion in the cave when mushriks come to the cave entrance. If Abu Bekr was munafik, that was excellent chance to betray Muhammed s.a.w.s. Now who dare to say anything against Abu Bekr? Allah s.w.t.a. mentioned Abu Bekr in Qur’an as “Sani-Isnain” – “second of two” (Muhammed s.a.w.s. and him). He was one of ten announced to enter Janna while he was still alive. Or for example Hadreti Umer ibni Hattab. Because of Jihaad he fought today Iran is Muslim country. When he started Hijjra he said: “Ya Kureyshi, listen to me careful! I am moving to Medina. If somebody wants to stand on my way, I will wait him in that valley!” Then he took his sward and said, “If somebody of you wants that his children stay yetims (orphans) or that his mother cry for him, let he step on Umer ibni-Hattab’s way”

Or Hadreti Usman, Zun-Nurrin. Muhammed s.a.w.s. gave him hands of his two daughters, Rukaya and Ume Kulsum. To say that these people are sinner, kjafirs or munafiks goes directly to Muhammed s.a.w.s. account. Allah’s Prophet s.a.w.s chosen Abu Bekr, Umer Usman, Ali, to be his friends.

If Muhammed s.a.w.s., a man who knew every single hypocrite in Muslim society, a man who had mujjiza to see before and behind itself, if that man did not know who need to escort him in the single, the most vulnerable and most important moment of Muslim history – Hijra, to whom he need to give his daughters, hadreti Fatima, Rukaja, Umme Kulsum, if he did not know who are his friends then anybody can ask itself “Why am I Muslim?” or “Who is my Prophet?”. But he knew all of that and we do not have right to base our faith on fitna, and because of that fitna to kill people and spread disorientation.

[Blue Bloater]

There are not supposed to be ANY sects. If you truly understand Islam, then you must know something about its history. Read about the time of when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was born, and then after he died what happened, with his family (pbut).

ONCE you have read ALL this, only THEN will you know the real Islam. There is only ONE Islam. Shia Islam is not a sects, the followers of Muhammad (pbuh) and his family are called Shias. Until you know EVERY details of histories of what I have said to you friend, then can we speak.

There aren't suppose to be sects, because the Quran condemns them. But there are. The split began right after Muhammad died, due to political differences. One group believes Abu bahkr is the rightful caliph, and the others believe it's Ali. See, I know the basics.

Even though they follow the Quran, they deviate somewhat with their own traditions and hadiths. I don't know why such a grave violation in idoltary is played down so casualy. I suppose they enjoy their own sects and wouldn't give it up. Then they claim that muslims are united. If muslims were united, they wouldn't be killing each other in Iraq. They wouldn't have such mistrust between each other.

[General]

Why do muslims kill muslims ?

Because they are not have any clue on what is Islam all about .

[mirza]

No this is not true. Why is there murder in US? In Russia? China? UK? Anywhere? Christians kill Christians. Jews kill Jews. What is difference in Muslims?

HEHEHE, you think they are the one making bombs everyday? And if some of them do, to make USA look bad?? Brotherrrrr come noww.

well jews dont kill jews that much these days causer there s not much left of them , the israeli police even deliberatly freed an israeli rapist ;

but as for christians u could have exampled the conflict in ireland

[sayenforever]

well jews dont kill jews that much these days causer there s not much left of them , the israeli police even deliberatly freed an israeli rapist ;

but as for christians u could have exampled the conflict in ireland

Christians don't kill christians? World war 1, world war 2?? The French revolution? The Bolshevic revolution? The 100 year war? The
Napoleonic wars? The Spanish ciivil war??

Ok - I'm bored now, point made...

[mirza]

Christians don't kill christians? World war 1, world war 2?? The French revolution? The Bolshevic revolution? The 100 year war? The
Napoleonic wars? The Spanish ciivil war??

Ok - I'm bored now, point made...

well if u start to think of stuff in simpler ways , u ll find more convincing answers ; white kristians dont reproduce as many as they used to right ? that s a reason for fewer conflicts and casualties

[Sajjad]

There aren't suppose to be sects, because the Quran condemns them. But there are. The split began right after Muhammad died, due to political differences. One group believes Abu bahkr is the rightful caliph, and the others believe it's Ali. See, I know the basics.

Even though they follow the Quran, they deviate somewhat with their own traditions and hadiths. I don't know why such a grave violation in idoltary is played down so casualy. I suppose they enjoy their own sects and wouldn't give it up. Then they claim that muslims are united. If muslims were united, they wouldn't be killing each other in Iraq. They wouldn't have such mistrust between each other.

No brother, I know Muslims are not united. This is true. They are not united one minute. We hopeing to unite :(

[Warrior]

Thepuss, Muslims killing other Muslims to make the US look bad is the biggest BS I have heared in a long time. Strange how the insurgents never release Video tapes of them blowing up Shiite mosques or yelling Allahu Akbar while blowing up massive crowds of people..... I do see them releasing dozens of amounts of Tapes of how they kill Troops. But I never seen such tapes that prove they are doing to killing to shiites or any other civilians.

How come every time such 'Muslim vs Muslim' incidents occur its always 'Tortured bodies found'? Or 'Sudden Explosion kills 1, 10, 100 people'? No proof, just American Propaganda. All occupying forces have used these tactics...America is no different. This Freedom for all things makes them look so innocent and trustful, well their not. They are the ones that started all this crap in the first place.

[mango994]

Fighting within a religion is a normal thing.
The christinians fought over christianity for many times, even the Jews sometimes had conflicts, especially in the Roman era in Israel.
The law that "muslim mustn't kill a muslim" will not destroy this very basic human behavior...

[Mujahid786]

the only reason muslims kill muslims is because theyre stupid

[MrWanted]

Thepuss, Muslims killing other Muslims to make the US look bad is the biggest BS I have heared in a long time. Strange how the insurgents never release Video tapes of them blowing up Shiite mosques or yelling Allahu Akbar while blowing up massive crowds of people..... I do see them releasing dozens of amounts of Tapes of how they kill Troops. But I never seen such tapes that prove they are doing to killing to shiites or any other civilians.

How come every time such 'Muslim vs Muslim' incidents occur its always 'Tortured bodies found'? Or 'Sudden Explosion kills 1, 10, 100 people'? No proof, just American Propaganda. All occupying forces have used these tactics...America is no different. This Freedom for all things makes them look so innocent and trustful, well their not. They are the ones that started all this crap in the first place.
I second that.

[Mujahid786]

i second that too