Heavy Metal? [Archive] - Iran Defense Forum

Arashi

02-24-2007, 11:52 AM

There are a few Metal (Heavy, Black, Death, Goth, Thrash) bands in Iran. They've slowly been allowed to play concerts and sell cd's. Kahtmayan is a instrumental heavy metal band, pretty interesting. http://www.kahtmayan.com/default.asp?id=home

Complete list of Iranian Metal bands: http://www.persianmetalbands.blogspot.com/

Music video by Death Metal band Arthimoth. Bad sound quality though.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-GeKMyU9Z_A

Ricardo

02-24-2007, 12:54 PM

Arashi

02-24-2007, 01:05 PM

wow, iranians also play blackmetal!!:whoohoo3:

but death metal and blackmetal are just haram in essence!

they play in the underground?

Well, Black Metal doesn't have to be about Satanism...most of those Iranian bands have lyrics about Aryanism (sometimes to a racist level), Zoroastrianism, mythology, bleakness, etc...It's mostly the lyrics the Iranian institute for music complains about. Kahtmayan is for example an instrumental band, which has allowed them more space to move...
These are mostly underground bands - I do know Kahtmayan has been allowed to release a cd and play small concerts in Iran. I don't know about the others, whether they are allowed to play to a certain extent (not headbang TOO much :D) or play at all. I have a friend who runs a site and interviews Iranian underground bands regularly, I'll ask him about those black metal acts...

Kamistan

02-24-2007, 02:32 PM

is there any heavy metal in the iranian culture then alone rock? Just curious.

Search iran metal on youtube

Ricardo

02-24-2007, 10:03 PM

Well, Black Metal doesn't have to be about Satanism...most of those Iranian bands have lyrics about Aryanism (sometimes to a racist level), Zoroastrianism, mythology, bleakness, etc...It's mostly the lyrics the Iranian institute for music complains about. Kahtmayan is for example an instrumental band, which has allowed them more space to move...
These are mostly underground bands - I do know Kahtmayan has been allowed to release a cd and play small concerts in Iran. I don't know about the others, whether they are allowed to play to a certain extent (not headbang TOO much :D) or play at all. I have a friend who runs a site and interviews Iranian underground bands regularly, I'll ask him about those black metal acts...

wow i tought only the swedish sing about aryanism.

By the way iranian blackmetal bands use makeup?

like this weirdos :laugh4:

The music is great but the makeup is just terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikyNyL3EB8&mode=related&search=

The guys who appear in the video are not the artists. this song is from burzum(black metal ist krieg) but i dont know if this is a cover of nargaroth.

they are fathers of aryan blackmetal:smile1:

Arashi

02-25-2007, 09:26 AM

wow i tought only the swedish sing about aryanism.

By the way iranian blackmetal bands use makeup?

like this weirdos :laugh4:

The music is great but the makeup is just terrible.

The guys who appear in the video are not the artists. this song is from burzum(black metal ist krieg) but i dont know if this is a cover of nargaroth.

they are fathers of aryan blackmetal:smile1:

Nordics being "Aryan" is just built on misconceptions - They can wish for it as much as they want, but they ain't. Burzum, Graveland, and the kind are rather Nazi or NSBM-bands. Burning churches, killing people, and promoting Nazism is certainly not being Aryan.
There are very few Swedish blackmetal-bands singing about Aryanism anyway. The most prominent and early BM bands, Emperor, Ulver, Mayhem, etc, do not.
Haha, Varg is an idiot anyway, the guy quit playing guitar because it's an "negro instrument".
And yes, some Iranian black metal bands do use corpsepaint :D

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/34354_photo.jpg
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/32576_photo.jpg

Seems I got owned :( Just check the metal-archives.

The video was hilarious by the way :D

SS_Charlemagne

02-25-2007, 09:40 AM

Nordics being "Aryan" is just built on misconceptions - They can wish for it as much as they want, but they ain't. Burzum, Graveland, and the kind are rather Nazi or NSBM-bands. Burning churches, killing people, and promoting Nazism is certainly not being Aryan.
There are very few Swedish blackmetal-bands singing about Aryanism anyway. The most prominent and early BM bands, Emperor, Ulver, Mayhem, etc, do not.
Haha, Varg is an idiot anyway, the guy quit playing guitar because it's an "negro instrument".
And yes, some Iranian black metal bands do use corpsepaint :D

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/34354_photo.jpg
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/32576_photo.jpg

The video was hilarious by the way :D

It depends of what you mean with "aryan". But well, most of those bands are crazy people... anyway, black metal rules! :rawrrrrr3:

Arashi

02-25-2007, 09:52 AM

It depends of what you mean with "aryan". But well, most of those bands are crazy people... anyway, black metal rules! :rawrrrrr3:

With Aryan I mean either by heritage, which only Iranic people (Persian, Kurds, Pashtoos, etc etc) and Hindus can claim as they speak and practice Aryan culture - and where the word actually has a MEANING in their respective languages. Or, secondly, if you ACT like an Aryan, which these wannabe-Nazis do not. They follow Hitler's definition of an Aryan.

And yes, black metal does rule, although I'm not a fan of NSBM :)

SS_Charlemagne

02-25-2007, 10:00 AM

With Aryan I mean either by heritage, which only Iranic people (Persian, Kurds, Pashtoos, etc etc) and Hindus can claim as they speak and practice Aryan culture - and where the word actually has a MEANING in their respective languages. Or, secondly, if you ACT like an Aryan, which these wannabe-Nazis do not. They follow Hitler's definition of an Aryan.

And yes, black metal does rule, although I'm not a fan of NSBM :)

Well, yes, originary "aryan" is referred to iranic and hindu-aryan peoples. But as they are a branch of indoeuropean family, is not totally wrong if the name is extended to all idoeuropean peoples... another thing is the use that nazis did and so on...
btw, I prefer bands like Therion or Amorphis... :3eyes4:

Arashi

02-25-2007, 10:12 AM

Well, yes, originary "aryan" is referred to iranic and hindu-aryan peoples. But as they are a branch of indoeuropean family, is not totally wrong if the name is extended to all idoeuropean peoples... another thing is the use that nazis did and so on...
btw, I prefer bands like Therion or Amorphis... :3eyes4:

Well, Germans, Slavs, Britons, etc are a branch of the IndoEuropean family. But it's incorrect for example Persians to claim their name or glory.
There is no evidence of an original IndoEuropean calling themselves Aryan. Only the tribes invading the Iranian plateau, Central Asia and India called themselves Aryan - which in Indo-Iranian languages means "Noble". It does not mean ANYTHING in other IndoEuropean languages - this nonsense about Germans and Scandinavians being "Aryan" was made up during the early 20th century, while Iranic people have been refering to themselves as Aryans for millenias.
Europeans and Nazis in general has polluted the name in their own favour to promote racist and nationalistic feelings. It is rather pathetic. If Germans and Nordics have inferiority complexes, maybe they should make up a name or title of their own to feel better :)

Therion is great too, although I do not really listen to their early albums. Vovin, Deggial, Secret of the Runes, are great :)

SS_Charlemagne

02-25-2007, 10:30 AM

Well, Germans, Slavs, Britons, etc are a branch of the IndoEuropean family. But it's incorrect for example Persians to claim their name or glory.
There is no evidence of an original IndoEuropean calling themselves Aryan. Only the tribes invading the Iranian plateau, Central Asia and India called themselves Aryan - which in Indo-Iranian languages means "Noble". It does not mean ANYTHING in other IndoEuropean languages - this nonsense about Germans and Scandinavians being "Aryan" was made up during the early 20th century, while Iranic people have been refering to themselves as Aryans for millenias.
Europeans and Nazis in general has polluted the name in their own favour to promote racist and nationalistic feelings. It is rather pathetic. If Germans and Nordics have inferiority complexes, maybe they should make up a name or title of their own to feel better :)

Therion is great too, although I do not really listen to their early albums. Vovin, Deggial, Secret of the Runes, are great :)

Well, is true. Perhaps the word "aristos" in ancient greek is related (means "noble" or "the best"), but aryan is referred to indo-aryan, is true. But used as a general name to indoeuropean peoples I don't see it as totally wrong. The hindu brahmanic civilization was one of the firsts (if not the first) of indoeuropean origin. About the nordics... you are perhaps true. They are the last ones in terms of civilization amongst the indoeuropean peoples. That's why them for example hate Rome.

Ah, about Therion, I have most of their discography. Lemuria/Sirius B is great! The last one, Gothic Kabbalah, I have downloaded it, but is incomplete. Seems also good, but perhaps a little different, more "soft"... :biggrin1:

Arashi

02-25-2007, 10:37 AM

But used as a general name to indoeuropean peoples I don't see it as totally wrong.

Well, the general name of Indoeuropean people IS "Indoeuropean". Calling ALL Indo-European people "Aryan" would be like calling Arabs "Aryan", call Nordics Slavs, call Chinese Arab, because, after all, all humans originated from the same place :)

Ah, about Therion, I have most of their discography. Lemuria/Sirius B is great! The last one, Gothic Kabbalah, I have downloaded it, but is incomplete. Seems also good, but perhaps a little different, more "soft"... :biggrin1:

I recall I downloaded Lemuria/Sirius B, but never really listened to it. Theli is my favourite :)

SS_Charlemagne

02-25-2007, 10:42 AM

Well, the general name of Indoeuropean people IS "Indoeuropean". Calling ALL Indo-European people "Aryan" would be like calling Arabs "Aryan", call Nordics Slavs, call Chinese Arab, because, after all, all humans originated from the same place :)

I recall I downloaded Lemuria/Sirius B, but never really listened to it. Theli is my favourite :)

LOL I am downloading Theli! Listen Lemuria/Sirius B, man, is really good!
About aryans... well, is ok.:3eyes4:

payam

02-25-2007, 02:09 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-GeKMyU9Z_A
helll.....sick guys..........off.....must stone to death these.........

payam

02-25-2007, 02:25 PM

wow i tought only the swedish sing about aryanism.

By the way iranian blackmetal bands use makeup?

like this weirdos :laugh4:

The music is great but the makeup is just terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikyNyL3EB8&mode=related&search=

The guys who appear in the video are not the artists. this song is from burzum(black metal ist krieg) but i dont know if this is a cover of nargaroth.

they are fathers of aryan blackmetal:smile1:

why this monkey jumping up and down and doing bark?:laugh4: LOL.....he feel pain in some part of his body)(@s)?:roflmao3:
:huh2: realy the video had nothing....i cant understand thier world:worried2:

Kamistan

02-25-2007, 04:19 PM

helll.....sick guys..........off.....must stone to death these.........

For making music?

you don't even know or don't understand the lyrics.

But you dissmissed , saying 'stone them to death'.

You should have your throat slit.

payam

02-25-2007, 04:23 PM

For making music?

you don't even know or don't understand the lyrics.

But you dissmissed , saying 'stone them to death'.

You should have your throat slit.

please go and see that music....they are cutting the hed of a man:err2: :worried2: these are murderer satans........no relation with music

IR.IRAN

02-25-2007, 04:48 PM

Kamistan

02-25-2007, 04:58 PM

since i have a close freind in iran thats in one of these bands with his freind ( not famous yet ), i did a little research and i found one of these iranian death metal bands sites, http://www.sds-band.com/

just proves to anyone that these guys are allowed to have concerts like this in iran.

Without vocals.

please go and see that music....they are cutting the hed of a man these are murderer satans........no relation with music

I saw the music video months ago.

The front man favors poetry , so what you see won't necessarily be what it is.

IR.IRAN

02-25-2007, 05:52 PM

Without vocals.

I saw the music video months ago.

The front man favors poetry , so what you see won't necessarily be what it is.

here is underground band with vocals in persian
http://www.explode-band.com/falbum.htm

Arashi

02-25-2007, 07:28 PM

helll.....sick guys..........off.....must stone to death these.........

Why should they be stoned to death? It's just different music.

Ricardo

02-25-2007, 07:29 PM

please go and see that music....they are cutting the hed of a man:err2: :worried2: these are murderer satans........no relation with music

Payam if you want something more cute... here it is:laugh4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qr9ElWhJD4

payam

02-25-2007, 11:59 PM

Why should they be stoned to death? It's just different music.

N0O0 cuase of this::worried2:
http://i16.tinypic.com/2hyvvar.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/29nw360.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/2nc4a6w.jpg

@ricardo: LOL:laugh4:

SS_Charlemagne

02-26-2007, 03:15 AM

LOL payam, most of those clips and bands are only pure comedy, show, performance... perhaps there are some bands and guys who listen this music that are really mad, but most of it is pure show.

payam

02-26-2007, 03:29 AM

I dont know but it would teach youngs so mad behaviours.......cutting the head of another....that's why im saying we must stone to death them

SS_Charlemagne

02-26-2007, 03:39 AM

I dont know but it would teach youngs so mad behaviours.......cutting the head of another....that's why im saying we must stone to death them

well, is good if Iran or other countries can control it, but you're a little "radical" :roflmao3: anyway, in west there is not possible solution for young people. Sad future I think we have...

payam

02-26-2007, 03:42 AM

IR.IRAN

02-26-2007, 06:23 AM

Well i think these are underground parties in iran......if they were not the police 100% would catch them.......ofcource not stone to death them by just jail..............

BUT I THINK IF U AND ALL WANTS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.....JUST STONE TO DEATH THESE SATANS.......TO HAVE A BEAUTIFULL FUTUER

payam jan, the problem with kids these days or in the future isnt these videos, the people that listen to these kind of music are usually harmless, but its rap music and crap like that thats ruining society

payam

02-26-2007, 12:57 PM

IR.IRAN

02-26-2007, 01:02 PM

Realy thouse who see this kind of stuufs are ------:worried2: :err2:

lol i know what you mean, but the music intrests them more, even if its harsh it doesnt promote someone to go stab someone to death, steal etc etc but the kind of music such as rap and what english people call garage does.

payam

02-26-2007, 01:11 PM

I myself like some kind of metall(i dont know wat is the name of it:D)but its a mix with opera.......
but these kind of blac and melak are remembering me just hell....bloodeshing offff

Red_Shaman

02-28-2007, 12:33 PM

Ethno Metal uh? My favorite is ULYTAU.

Ricardo

03-06-2007, 10:39 PM

The most satanic blackmetal on earth!!!!!!!!:rawrrrrr3: :rawrrrrr3: :rawrrrrr3: :rawrrrrr3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-47wbopbCNY&mode=related&search=

:roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3:

Ricardo

03-07-2007, 06:43 PM

Heavy Metal Baghdad documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK9ZkW0HabQ

IR.IRAN

03-08-2007, 03:21 AM

Heavy Metal Baghdad documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK9ZkW0HabQ

:roflmao3: how could you not contact the band and go to iraq straight away

mustavaris

03-18-2007, 05:46 AM

Farzad Golpayegani - excellent progressive instrumental fusion metal, and Amertad - sort of a gothic metal stuff with pretty genuine approach.

Anyway, I believe if someone really thinks that someone should be stoned to death because of making some music, there must be something seriously wrong with him/her. "Wrong" music is easily avoided, no one forces to listen to crap one doesn´t want to hear.

Corpse paints also serve the purpose to hide the identities of the artists, because of the controversy that the music often rises (even death threats... I personally know one guy who got a lot of death threats after tearing bible apart on stage - so the Christians can do that too;) But the point is what the hell those guys were doing in BM/DM concert if they couldnt swallow that..)

payam

03-18-2007, 05:57 AM

Anyway, I believe if someone really thinks that someone should be stoned to death because of making some music, there must be something seriously wrong with him/her. "Wrong" music is easily avoided, no one forces to listen to crap one doesn´t want to hear.

I didnt say cuase im making music we must stone to death them!!!!
im talking about thouse satanism groups...cutting the heads of others,do bloodsheding and other dirty things like this....

mustavaris

03-18-2007, 09:57 AM

Criminal behaviour is another matter, and when talking about groups that combine criminal behaviour and music (take some RAC bands and early 90´s BM bands for example) they have to be dealt with, but due to that criminal behaviour, not due to music.

I enjoy some music that has been made by people who definately are criminals and enemies of civilized world, but I do not support their deeds or ideology. Sometimes this means that I do not pay for the music because I know that the money ain´t going for good purposes. But present day black metal is more or less show-stuff or anti-social nihilistic stuff that doesnt interfere with other people´s lives.

dogukan

03-18-2007, 03:17 PM

IR.IRAN

03-18-2007, 04:10 PM

nothing is worse to society than rap or r&b etc like iv said it many times before.

Kamistan

03-27-2007, 06:28 PM

payam jan, the problem with kids these days or in the future isnt these videos, the people that listen to these kind of music are usually harmless, but its rap music and crap like that thats ruining society

It's even disgusting to do social engineering by limiting the content on any form of art , including rap.

Payam , grasp on the concept of metaphor , as nearly all rock musicians don't worship satan , but their references to it is a part of a more profound message.

The fact that you're advocating jail sentencing for content that you're not comfortable with reminds me of a time in germany when they did not appreciate different personalities , and they send the 'odd one out' to camps.

Payam , I'm glad that you're striving to be the builder of the one great nation .

payam

03-27-2007, 10:57 PM

Payam,
You're wrong again.You assume too much about other cultures.
What do you mean by cutting heads?:tired1_24: Who is cutting heads??
Murdering is a crime
But well......I don't know if they do such things secretly

I have heard of many bands which shed animal blood in stage though.There are people who enjoy this.Poor animals.........

Well just see the videos,inone i saw,a man was cutting the head of another guy!!!!these are sick.......also animals have rights also:roflmao3:
anyway such sick bands thouse are :huh2:

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 12:45 AM

Well just see the videos,inone i saw,a man was cutting the head of another guy!!!!these are sick.......also animals have rights also:roflmao3:
anyway such sick bands thouse are :huh2:

Payam... You just shouldnt watch these videos, they are not good for you;) Let´s us degenerates watch whatever we want to and spare yourself:) It won´t hurt you.

payam

03-28-2007, 07:34 AM

Payam... You just shouldnt watch these videos, they are not good for you;) Let´s us degenerates watch whatever we want to and spare yourself:) It won´t hurt you.

Im worry about young generation.....These are anti humanity,and these are all crimes...exaclly the world must stop these kind of activities
....or u people just know to say freedom and democracy and force to other countries and killing civilians and nothing more...huh???this is what the west know.....stupid ideas,which all are against humanity,in the name of humanity...how u people claim to be the core of civilization when somtimes i feel the cave-kwellers live better than....

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 08:16 AM

Im worry about young generation.....These are anti humanity,and these are all crimes...exaclly the world must stop these kind of activities
....or u people just know to say freedom and democracy and force to other countries and killing civilians and nothing more...huh???this is what the west know.....stupid ideas,which all are against humanity,in the name of humanity...how u people claim to be the core of civilization when somtimes i feel the cave-kwellers live better than....

This music is about show. It´s not to be taken too seriously. Some gansta rappers, RAC and 1990´s black metal incorporated music and criminal behaviour, but as such, they were/are being taken care of. It´s normal juridical matter, no need for cencorship of arts. For people like me extreme music is way of letting steam out (playing & listening) - in my opinion its better to shout and jump than to go out and beat people. Vocal violence does not hurt anyone, and anyone who uses it must accept that to another way around.

Some people take their kicks from intoxicants, some from music, some from religion. We need to release the internal pressure and thats what extreme music is for. Besides that, music is a great way to make statements and to reveal hypocrisy. And the youth ain´t stupid, they can think for themselves and no matter how you pressure them, they will find a way to let the internal anger out... Be it music, religious extremism, crimes whatever... In my opinion music is quite healthy way of rebellion when comparing to the most probable other alternatives. The youth rebellion is a fact among whole mankind, and the more harmless it is, the better. Music, weird looks and such are very harmless in my opinion.

masguy

03-28-2007, 09:03 AM

........but why people who like heavy metal music always BS to people who into pop music .don't tell me it's part of an artistic expression too.

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 09:12 AM

........but why people who like heavy metal music always BS to people who into pop music .don't tell me it's part of an artistic expression too.

Because of the following reasons that are highly valued in metal culture (but not universal values, of course).

1# Pop is commercial, and easily forgotten (well.. like some of the metal werent..)

2# Pop artists often do not create the music they play - such would be blasphemous to real metalheads.

3# Pop artists often do not even play on stage (music is centered around some singing star, not band, or they use playback)

4# Pop start is too soft, thus sissy, thus not worth of anything (ever heard metal ballads though...U2 and The Clash and many others are really hard when comparing to some "metal" artists)

But the fact is that esp. many older metal heads appreciate good music whenever they find it (its a bit teeny-weeny attitude to be a "real metalhead" who dislikes everything but metal - among those you find those who are most probable to give up metal after teen years). I listen to most extreme and raw music out there, but I also like artists like Björk, The Clash, Kent, Özlem Tekin, The Cure, U2, The Beatles...... But usually they tend to fill the requirements for "real music": real bands playing own music with real instruments. Anyway, for me everything goes and computers/synths etc aint no go in music either nor classical music or folk stuff from various corners of earth...

masguy

03-28-2007, 09:28 AM

Because of the following reasons that are highly valued in metal culture (but not universal values, of course).

1# Pop is commercial, and easily forgotten (well.. like some of the metal werent..)

easily forgotten? that's ridiculuos!!!!!!!!! just because you don't like it,then you say it's easily forgetten! what a joke :rolleyes:

2# Pop artists often do not create the music they play - such would be blasphemous to real metalheads.

not all of them though.btw,why should they create thier own music if they only can sing.no wonder metalhead band's song has no 'life'.composed by untalented people.

3# Pop artists often do not even play on stage (music is centered around some singing star, not band, or they use playback)

4# Pop start is too soft, thus sissy, thus not worth of anything (ever heard metal ballads though...U2 and The Clash and many others are really hard when comparing to some "metal" artists)

ok,now you wanna say that people like me are so dumb ,that we like worthless singer ? ...grow up.
...

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 09:48 AM

Well... pay attention to comprehension. I did not blame anyone, I just stereotypized the metalhead behaviour and made generalizations. Hmh....

Masguy: easily forgotten? that's ridiculuos!!!!!!!!! just because you don't like it,then you say it's easily forgetten! what a joke

Name me ten great pop sellouts from 70s. Do the same for the early and late eighties, and first part of nineties and the last one... What great came out in 2001-2003? Got the idea? Pop comes and goes, thats the nature of pop culture (not just music). Much of the metal does the same, but metal tends to live longer if it is "something" when it comes. Most of the "great pop hits" are all forgotten in few years.. and re-emerge only in some retroparties years later.

Masguy: not all of them though.btw,why should they create thier own music if they only can sing.no wonder metalhead band's song has no 'life'.composed by untalented people.

Heh, I wont go deep into this. Obviously you do not know about those guys who are behind the pop songs and the process of making pop. Its industry in real sense of that word. Not always, but in most chart stuff yes. There is strong indie culture though, but it´s not quite pop in that words real sense...

Metal heads are professionals at best, some actually compose stuff for other artists too.. and in metal you have to combine ability to compose, play, perform and suitable looks.. For pop its often enough to look good and have charisma. But again, there are exceptions.

Masguy: ok,now you wanna say that people like me are so dumb ,that we like worthless singer ? ...grow up.

You are quick to draw conclusions and put words into my mouth. Never to mention the fact that I just answered your question, I did not show that much of my own opinions. Take this as a reading comprehension test.

And yes, many people who like pop are dumb, but the reason is not their musical taste or lack of it. Worthless singer is a singer whose most essential value is appearance. In metal scene you can be as ugly as one can be, and you´ll still be liked if the music works. Of course the suitable looks help, but thats one of the reasons why pop is considered to be superficial by many metalheads.

masguy

03-28-2007, 10:02 AM

And yes, many people who like pop are dumb, but the reason is not their musical taste or lack of it. Worthless singer is a singer whose most essential value is appearance. In metal scene you can be as ugly as one can be, and you´ll still be liked if the music works. Of course the suitable looks help, but thats one of the reasons why pop is considered to be superficial by many metalheads.

what make you people more brilliant than us.? im not satisfied with your reason.and i also have the same thought that many people who like metal are dumb because they like moronic song.btw,we have our right to like whatever we like and we don't even need BS from you people.

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 10:06 AM

what make you people more brilliant than us.? im not satisfied with your reason.and i also have the same thought that many people who like metal are dumb because they like moronic song.btw,we have our right to like whatever we like and we don't even need BS from you people.

And again you put words into my mouth and draw conclusions that are not based on what I have said... Many people are dumb. Actually, half of the human population has IQ(or any other intelligence attribute) below the median. Ever thought that we live in the middle of the idiots, to say it bluntly..?

Checklist:

Did I say that metal heads are more brilliant than those who listen to pop?

Did I say that people who listen to pop are dumb?

masguy

03-28-2007, 10:07 AM

I can smell your sarcasm.

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 10:12 AM

I can smell your sarcasm.

Definately, even some misantrophy and elitism. And if you look at my comments, they arent too kind for metal either. But you have to pay attention to what I wrote and what I mean with the stuff I write.

masguy

03-28-2007, 10:20 AM

Definately, even some misantrophy and elitism. And if you look at my comments, they arent too kind for metal either. But you have to pay attention to what I wrote and what I mean with the stuff I write.

I've paid attention to what you've wrote and i think it's too much.

Name me ten great pop sellouts from 70s. Do the same for the early and late eighties, and first part of nineties and the last one... What great came out in 2001-2003? Got the idea? Pop comes and goes, thats the nature of pop culture (not just music). Much of the metal does the same, but metal tends to live longer if it is "something" when it comes. Most of the "great pop hits" are all forgotten in few years.. and re-emerge only in some retroparties years later.

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 10:25 AM

If you are "popper" like someone is "metaller" then you shouldnt have problems in naming some of the classics (artists and songs) from various decades,and if you are "true" then you can name the halves of the decades and even some precise years.... That´s one of the most fundamental things that make metal superior to pop in metalheads little minds (and before this goes beyond: I do not say that it is so).

masguy

03-28-2007, 10:35 AM

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 01:24 PM

no......i don't have to make myself look cheap here.i mean why should i name all pop song because even if i can name from A to Z here, still doesn't change the fact that too many discrimination against popper across the globe.

Discrimination?!?!?!? That stuff is played on all wavelengths, MTV et all send it 24/7.. dont talk about discrimination of pop music when talking about metal! Even here in Finland where there is always 5..15 metal or metalish artists at TOP40 on any given time (more on midprice & single lists..), the radios play 90+% pop.

masguy

03-28-2007, 02:01 PM

Discrimination?!?!?!? That stuff is played on all wavelengths, MTV et all send it 24/7.. dont talk about discrimination of pop music when talking about metal! Even here in Finland where there is always 5..15 metal or metalish artists at TOP40 on any given time (more on midprice & single lists..), the radios play 90+% pop.

i was talking about discrimination from 'metaller'.

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 02:05 PM

i was talking about discrimination from 'metaller'.

Naja... You know, we´re übermensch. And don´t worry, we hate hiphoppers/rappers even more than you popboys & -gals;) Superiority comes with a price.:wub2:

masguy

03-28-2007, 02:30 PM

ok i think i can take that :D

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 02:35 PM

Oki doki. I guess we´re in agreement now;)

masguy

03-28-2007, 02:38 PM

Oki doki. I guess we´re in agreement now;)

yes ....we're. ;)

Kaveh

03-28-2007, 02:38 PM

dont like heavy metal

im listing to Persian music and House

mustavaris

03-28-2007, 02:44 PM

dont like heavy metal

im listing to Persian music and House

House?!?!... Don´t get me started..;) Well, you got a punch of good Persian artists... Farzad Golpayegani, Amertad, Ahoora... Uuups, they are metal.

Actually I´d like to get some Persian stuff (folk) at my hands because I like the eastern influences found on various Iranian non-folk artists. But its damn hard to get Persian music from here.

Gotta visit Iran I guess.

PeterV

05-21-2007, 03:17 AM

Well, Black Metal doesn't have to be about Satanism...most of those Iranian bands have lyrics about Aryanism (sometimes to a racist level), Zoroastrianism, mythology, bleakness, etc...It's mostly the lyrics the Iranian institute for music complains about. Kahtmayan is for example an instrumental band, which has allowed them more space to move...
These are mostly underground bands - I do know Kahtmayan has been allowed to release a cd and play small concerts in Iran. I don't know about the others, whether they are allowed to play to a certain extent (not headbang TOO much :D) or play at all. I have a friend who runs a site and interviews Iranian underground bands regularly, I'll ask him about those black metal acts...

Not about satanism? If it's not about satanism it's not black metal. It's that simple hahaha

IR.IRAN

05-21-2007, 03:20 AM

Not about satanism? If it's not about satanism it's not black metal. It's that simple hahaha

no, arashi is right, its actually not always about satanism

PeterV

05-21-2007, 03:31 AM

payam jan, the problem with kids these days or in the future isnt these videos, the people that listen to these kind of music are usually harmless, but its rap music and crap like that thats ruining society

Exactly!!! Rap, Hiphop and R'nB are total crap. What's with a style of music where it's considered cool to have a crime-record and people buy your cd's because you've been to jail.....

IR.IRAN

05-21-2007, 04:24 AM

Exactly!!! Rap, Hiphop and R'nB are total crap. What's with a style of music where it's considered cool to have a crime-record and people buy your cd's because you've been to jail.....

my point exactly, i dont know i guess kids these days have lost something in their heads.
all its done is created a angry generation of youths with streetcrime records..

PeterV

05-21-2007, 05:55 AM

my point exactly, i dont know i guess kids these days have lost something in their heads.
all its done is created a angry generation of youths with streetcrime records..

Precisely. Take metal for instance: i participate in a dutch metal forum, and most metalfans seem to be higher educated and creative individuals.....

mustavaris

05-21-2007, 07:48 AM

Not about satanism? If it's not about satanism it's not black metal. It's that simple hahaha

NSBM (Nazi-BM) for example isnt always related to Satanism. Drudkh which is one of better Ukrainian BM bands has taken almost all of their lyrics from a 19th century nationalist poet.. They are considered to be the best or second best Ukrainian BM band, but I am not aware if they have any "satanic" material (I could be wrong though, I do not know their full discography).

I have been into BM since I bought Emperor´s In The Nightside Eclipse (1994) and in my opinion BM isnt so much about Satanism - often nihilism is the keyword. Many BM bands do not like the Anton LaVey´an Satanism and do not either like the diabolism which they consider to be an offshoot of Christianity.

Technically speaking black metal is death metal with melodies or death metal with punk flavours: the lyrics are far more important than in DM but they are often more "atmospherical" than anything else. In many cases you ain´t finding anything about Satanism, just atheism, nihilism and more or less stereotypical stuff.

PeterV

05-21-2007, 09:30 AM

NSBM (Nazi-BM) for example isnt always related to Satanism. Drudkh which is one of better Ukrainian BM bands has taken almost all of their lyrics from a 19th century nationalist poet.. They are considered to be the best or second best Ukrainian BM band, but I am not aware if they have any "satanic" material (I could be wrong though, I do not know their full discography).

I have been into BM since I bought Emperor´s In The Nightside Eclipse (1994) and in my opinion BM isnt so much about Satanism - often nihilism is the keyword. Many BM bands do not like the Anton LaVey´an Satanism and do not either like the diabolism which they consider to be an offshoot of Christianity.

Technically speaking black metal is death metal with melodies or death metal with punk flavours: the lyrics are far more important than in DM but they are often more "atmospherical" than anything else. In many cases you ain´t finding anything about Satanism, just atheism, nihilism and more or less stereotypical stuff.

If it's not about the occult or satanism, i wouldn't call it black metal. You are right for the athmosphere thingy though...... But if the athmosphere thingy is also a trademark for BM, then how do we classify a band like Moonspell, wich is the mother of all athmosferic metal, but absolutely isn't BM (anymore)???
Ohw by the way: the occult/satanisme goes beyond the Anton LaVey'an satanism..... Personally i hate this whole Anton LaVey satanism. If you want to worship Satan; worship Satan and don't worship/idolize an idiot like LaVey.....
Personally, i like the dark athmospere that BM-music breathes out, but where do you get the punk flavours from??? I'd say it's more gothic originating instead of punk.

NEWUSER

05-21-2007, 10:17 AM

heavy metal is crap... if i want noise, i will listen to a scrambled radio wave.

mustavaris

05-21-2007, 10:25 AM

heavy metal is crap... if i want noise, i will listen to a scrambled radio wave.

If I want noise, I listen to noise.... Heavy metal is so diverse that you could almost say that music is crap;)

mustavaris

05-21-2007, 10:56 AM

If it's not about the occult or satanism, i wouldn't call it black metal.
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Then you have to throw many prominent artists into trash bin..

You are right for the athmosphere thingy though...... But if the athmosphere thingy is also a trademark for BM, then how do we classify a band like Moonspell, wich is the mother of all athmosferic metal, but absolutely isn't BM (anymore)???
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It is trademark but being atmospheric doesnt make a band BM: but that thing aint satanism either as many dm bands are more "satanic" than many bm bands. In my opinion the technical aspects with atmospheric and ideological matters make bm bm. The ideology can be nihilism, extreme atheism or satanism. Occultism aint an ideology but thats often there too, but mysticism doesnt make metal to become bm.

Ohw by the way: the occult/satanisme goes beyond the Anton LaVey'an satanism..... Personally i hate this whole Anton LaVey satanism. If you want to worship Satan; worship Satan and don't worship/idolize an idiot like LaVey.....
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Well, the modern satanism is not devil worshipping- Satan is symbol of rebellion, the symbol of questioning the values - satanism is not worship of some imaginary creature, but form of atheism, nihilism and hedonism. Devil worshipping is offshoot from Judeo-Christian religions.

LaVey had some nice ideas, but the way he wrote them was rather stupid and the actual intellectual worth isnt so great. The Satanic Bible was entertaining book, but only as an entertaining book. The good ideas could have been printed in 10..20 pages manifest and that would have made a serious point. But that mumbojumbo-black magic stuff was hilarious at best, ridiculous at worst.

Personally, i like the dark athmospere that BM-music breathes out, but where do you get the punk flavours from??? I'd say it's more gothic originating instead of punk.

Have you listened to Darkthrone for example? The album Cult of Goliath is definately heavily influenced by punk and that aint the only one and DT is one of the most prominent BM acts out there. Some call that stuff necropunk.

But I agree that many of the more commercial BM acts are heavily influenced by gothic stuff, but that again has roots in punk scene dating from early 1980s.

PeterV

05-21-2007, 12:40 PM

Then you have to throw many prominent artists into trash bin..

It is trademark but being atmospheric doesnt make a band BM: but that thing aint satanism either as many dm bands are more "satanic" than many bm bands. In my opinion the technical aspects with atmospheric and ideological matters make bm bm. The ideology can be nihilism, extreme atheism or satanism. Occultism aint an ideology but thats often there too, but mysticism doesnt make metal to become bm.

Well, the modern satanism is not devil worshipping- Satan is symbol of rebellion, the symbol of questioning the values - satanism is not worship of some imaginary creature, but form of atheism, nihilism and hedonism. Devil worshipping is offshoot from Judeo-Christian religions.

LaVey had some nice ideas, but the way he wrote them was rather stupid and the actual intellectual worth isnt so great. The Satanic Bible was entertaining book, but only as an entertaining book. The good ideas could have been printed in 10..20 pages manifest and that would have made a serious point. But that mumbojumbo-black magic stuff was hilarious at best, ridiculous at worst.

Have you listened to Darkthrone for example? The album Cult of Goliath is definately heavily influenced by punk and that aint the only one and DT is one of the most prominent BM acts out there. Some call that stuff necropunk.

But I agree that many of the more commercial BM acts are heavily influenced by gothic stuff, but that again has roots in punk scene dating from early 1980s.

Sure but if you look at it this way; everything in present day metal leads back to punk or NWOBHM, and these 2 lead back to Rock like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin, wich in their turn lead back to ...ehm blues???

Let's put it this way: if music ain't BM, you need not throw it in the trashbin... you could simply put it in a different category....
But to BM always consists of certain elements like: athmospheric, somehow occult (or ideologic) and brutal guitars/drums (just to put it simple)...

Ricardo

05-21-2007, 02:57 PM

Brujeria - La Migra (Cruza La Frontera II)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFobnADsQgI
:D

mustavaris

05-22-2007, 06:58 AM

Sure but if you look at it this way; everything in present day metal leads back to punk or NWOBHM, and these 2 lead back to Rock like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin, wich in their turn lead back to ...ehm blues???

Let's put it this way: if music ain't BM, you need not throw it in the trashbin... you could simply put it in a different category....
But to BM always consists of certain elements like: athmospheric, somehow occult (or ideologic) and brutal guitars/drums (just to put it simple)...

Well.. the roots are blue, thats true:) I guess that we have a compromise here, if you accept that "somehow occult (or idelogic)" can be something that isnt satanistic.

PeterV

05-22-2007, 07:13 AM

Well.. the roots are blue, thats true:) I guess that we have a compromise here, if you accept that "somehow occult (or idelogic)" can be something that isnt satanistic.

Sure, but i never said somehow occult must persé be satanic...
Fact is: to me it's the most beautifull music of this time.....

mustavaris

05-22-2007, 07:26 AM

Sure, but i never said somehow occult must persé be satanic...
Fact is: to me it's the most beautifull music of this time.....

Now that´s a hard one... I guess that at the moment I must say that proggressive neofolk made by Finnish band Tenhi is the most beautiful stuff. But this will change... My musical taste goes in cycles, had the BM period during the last winter.. now the summer is here:)

PeterV

05-22-2007, 07:30 AM

Now that´s a hard one... I guess that at the moment I must say that proggressive neofolk made by Finnish band Tenhi is the most beautiful stuff. But this will change... My musical taste goes in cycles, had the BM period during the last winter.. now the summer is here:)

Haha i know what you mean, i also still have my 2 Iron Maiden weeks every year in witch i only play Iron Maiden hahaha.
But to me BM is something i can listen to every day of the year, whilst other tastes in music vary from week to week or even day to day.

mustavaris

05-22-2007, 07:34 AM

Haha i know what you mean, i also still have my 2 Iron Maiden weeks every year in witch i only play Iron Maiden hahaha.
But to me BM is something i can listen to every day of the year, whilst other tastes in music vary from week to week or even day to day.

I have something like 10..20 albums that I listen to all year around, but the rest goes in cycles.. I have been hooked on Iron Maiden from the time before I got to school (my two elder bros are big fans). Last time I had really long Iron Maiden period was in summer 2005 after being in Graspop..

PeterV

05-22-2007, 07:43 AM

I have something like 10..20 albums that I listen to all year around, but the rest goes in cycles.. I have been hooked on Iron Maiden from the time before I got to school (my two elder bros are big fans). Last time I had really long Iron Maiden period was in summer 2005 after being in Graspop..

Haha, yeah i know what you mean. Ever since i saw my cousins Life after Death video when i was 11 or 12, i became totally hooked on Iron Maiden...
I still try to go to all concerts in Holland with my best friend.
But what are you favourite bands??

mustavaris

05-22-2007, 08:13 AM

Haha, yeah i know what you mean. Ever since i saw my cousins Life after Death video when i was 11 or 12, i became totally hooked on Iron Maiden...
I still try to go to all concerts in Holland with my best friend.
But what are you favourite bands??

Fav bands... dunno... I cannot say the absolute top XX but I can say some that have had great influence.. bands, artists and some albums.

Not in any particular order, have probably forgotten some of the great. Some purists could kill me for this list:P

Tom Waits - the best singer song writer ever. Excellent music, incredible lyrics, rougher & more attitude than most of the metal acts can ever achieve, and so far when I have went thru little more than 10 of his albums ranging from 1970s to 2000s, I havent found a single bad one.

Nick Cave
Leonard Cohen
Sisters of Mercy
The Doors
King Crimson (actually, just one of their albums: The Court of The Crimson King)
The Cure
Darkthrone
Isengard (Fenriz has made the song I love sooo much... Over de syngende öde moer...it´s just a wonderful praise of Norway)
Emperor (only Anthems & In the Night..)
Satyricon (Rebel Xtrav.. and older)
Ulver
Peccatum´s Lost in Reverie
Guns´N´Roses (just Appetite & Illusion I & II)
Iron Maiden (with Bruce Dickinson)
Sentenced (whole discography)
Amorphis (excl. Am Universum and Far From The Sun)
The Black League (two first albums)
Lacrimosa (Elodia and older)
Katatonia
Opeth
Dark Tranquillity
Moonspell
Finntroll (one of more original metal bands, starter of a genre)
Mandatory pieces of old Metallica (..And justice for all & older)
Megadeth (Youthanasia and older)
System of a Down (just Toxicity):rolleyes:
Slayer (Reign In Blood and Seasons in the Abyss)

Recent favourites

Arkona (Russian black metal, heavily influenced by Slavic folk music and with incredible female vocalist)
Insomnium (excellent death metal from Finland)
Deathchain (excellent death trash from Finland)
Tenhi (progressive neofolk from Finland)
Kulgrinda (pagan neofolk from Lithuania)
Özlem Tekin (Nina Hagen of Turkey I say...)
Farzad Golpayegani (Excellent instrumental fusion metal from Iran)

Chris

05-22-2007, 08:18 AM

I like Trivuim , KoRn , Nightwish , Limp Bisqit , Bleeding through prob a couple of others.

PeterV

05-22-2007, 08:25 AM

Fav bands... dunno... I cannot say the absolute top XX but I can say some that have had great influence.. bands, artists and some albums.

Not in any particular order, have probably forgotten some of the great. Some purists could kill me for this list:P

Tom Waits - the best singer song writer ever. Excellent music, incredible lyrics, rougher & more attitude than most of the metal acts can ever achieve, and so far when I have went thru little more than 10 of his albums ranging from 1970s to 2000s, I havent found a single bad one.

Nick Cave
Leonard Cohen
Sisters of Mercy
The Doors
King Crimson (actually, just one of their albums: The Court of The Crimson King)
The Cure
Darkthrone
Isengard (Fenriz has made the song I love sooo much... Over de syngende öde moer...it´s just a wonderful praise of Norway)
Emperor (only Anthems & In the Night..)
Satyricon (Rebel Xtrav.. and older)
Ulver
Peccatum´s Lost in Reverie
Guns´N´Roses (just Appetite & Illusion I & II)
Iron Maiden (with Bruce Dickinson)
Sentenced (whole discography)
Amorphis (excl. Am Universum and Far From The Sun)
The Black League (two first albums)
Lacrimosa (Elodia and older)
Katatonia
Opeth
Dark Tranquillity
Moonspell
Finntroll (one of more original metal bands, starter of a genre)
Mandatory pieces of old Metallica (..And justice for all & older)
Megadeth (Youthanasia and older)
System of a Down (just Toxicity):rolleyes:
Slayer (Reign In Blood and Seasons in the Abyss)

Recent favourites

Arkona (Russian black metal, heavily influenced by Slavic folk music and with incredible female vocalist)
Insomnium (excellent death metal from Finland)
Deathchain (excellent death trash from Finland)
Tenhi (progressive neofolk from Finland)
Kulgrinda (pagan neofolk from Lithuania)
Özlem Tekin (Nina Hagen of Turkey I say...)
Farzad Golpayegani (Excellent instrumental fusion metal from Iran)

Hmm i will check some of these out (Isengard, Özlem Tekin and Farzad G.) when i get home....
Do you like Paradise Lost? (the older albums until Draconian Times)

mustavaris

05-22-2007, 08:38 AM

Hmm i will check some of these out (Isengard, Özlem Tekin and Farzad G.) when i get home....
Do you like Paradise Lost? (the older albums until Draconian Times)

Yes, right to that point. The newer stuff is mediocre and their gig I saw year or two ago was disappointing. But Draconian Times and Icon are killer albums.

Isengard... 99% of the people think that their stuff is total sh!t. Vinterskugge is compilation from old demos (very bad production in most songs) and Höstmörke is the only real album which has two of my all time favourite songs, the one I mentioned before and I Kamp Med Hvitekrist.

PeterV

05-22-2007, 08:45 AM

Yes, right to that point. The newer stuff is mediocre and their gig I saw year or two ago was disappointing. But Draconian Times and Icon are killer albums.

Isengard... 99% of the people think that their stuff is total sh!t. Vinterskugge is compilation from old demos (very bad production in most songs) and Höstmörke is the only real album which has two of my all time favourite songs, the one I mentioned before and I Kamp Med Hvitekrist.

My favourite Paradis Lost albums are Gothic and In the shades of God

mustavaris

05-22-2007, 08:50 AM

My favourite Paradis Lost albums are Gothic and In the shades of God

Yeah, Shades of God is great, I forgot to mention that. For some reason I do not like their two first albums too much.. clumsy or something, cannot really know.

PeterV

05-22-2007, 09:01 AM

Yeah, Shades of God is great, I forgot to mention that. For some reason I do not like their two first albums too much.. clumsy or something, cannot really know.

Ah but songs like Eternal, The Painless and Gothic are real classics. They are really slow and doomy

mustavaris

05-22-2007, 09:12 AM

Ah but songs like Eternal, The Painless and Gothic are real classics. They are really slow and doomy

Yes indeed... But when I want doomy stuff I listen to My Dying Bride:)

PeterV

05-22-2007, 09:21 AM

Yes indeed... But when I want doomy stuff I listen to My Dying Bride:)

I had Turn loose the swans, but for me that was a little bit too slow....
What do you think of Dissection??

mustavaris

05-23-2007, 05:34 AM

I had Turn loose the swans, but for me that was a little bit too slow....
What do you think of Dissection??

Well, MDB is slow...slow..so slow.. I understand if one doesn´t like that kind of material, then MDB is definately a no go.

Dissection is good band, but it has never really kicked me. One of the bands that just doesnt have "it" in their music. For some reason I like Deicide and Morbid Angel a lot more, and when talking about harder Swedish material: Marduk and Entombed.

PeterV

05-23-2007, 07:17 AM

Well, MDB is slow...slow..so slow.. I understand if one doesn´t like that kind of material, then MDB is definately a no go.

Dissection is good band, but it has never really kicked me. One of the bands that just doesnt have "it" in their music. For some reason I like Deicide and Morbid Angel a lot more, and when talking about harder Swedish material: Marduk and Entombed.

Hmm but have you ever heard Dissection's Where dead angels lie and Thorns of the crimson death??

mustavaris

05-23-2007, 07:46 AM

Hmm but have you ever heard Dissection's Where dead angels lie and Thorns of the crimson death??

Yes I know them, excellent stuff but as a whole Dissection has never kicked so much... but... I must say that last time listened to them more than a song or two must have been years and years ago. Maybe I should give them another chance.

PeterV

05-23-2007, 09:39 AM

Yes I know them, excellent stuff but as a whole Dissection has never kicked so much... but... I must say that last time listened to them more than a song or two must have been years and years ago. Maybe I should give them another chance.

Maybe you should listen to the last album Reinkaos, it's somewhat different than the previous albums, and i think you might like it!

mustavaris

05-24-2007, 03:39 AM

Maybe you should listen to the last album Reinkaos, it's somewhat different than the previous albums, and i think you might like it!

I´ll check it out..later, as I have a few other new albums to digest at the moment and some are still on the way. Thanks for the recommendations:)

PeterV

05-24-2007, 04:23 AM

I´ll check it out..later, as I have a few other new albums to digest at the moment and some are still on the way. Thanks for the recommendations:)

You're welcome... By the way, Finntroll sounds good!

mustavaris

05-24-2007, 04:59 AM

You're welcome... By the way, Finntroll sounds good!

Nice to hear, they are one of my favourite Finnish bands and one of the very few bands that havent made a single bad record (well, the acoustic album is something that doesnt fit to the grand picture, but its still good if I am asked).

PeterV

05-24-2007, 06:41 AM

Nice to hear, they are one of my favourite Finnish bands and one of the very few bands that havent made a single bad record (well, the acoustic album is something that doesnt fit to the grand picture, but its still good if I am asked).

I also tried to download some Isengard songs, but all i got where songs from the Lord of the Rings theme hahaha...

mustavaris

05-25-2007, 02:44 AM

I also tried to download some Isengard songs, but all i got where songs from the Lord of the Rings theme hahaha...

Well, thats the way things go. Try download following songs:I Kamp Med Kvitekrist, Over De Syngende Øde Moer, Naglfar. Those three are my favourites, but Isengards material is very diverse (and most of it is crap..).

Ricardo

06-19-2007, 11:27 PM

NAPALM DEATH - Silence Is Deafening
This is the first video i saw from Napal death after all of this time i still laughing at singer, he looks like Jack Black:roflmao3: and rest of the band is so old :p

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/allposters/hpm/sm1421.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJS76JZbP1s

SS_Charlemagne

06-20-2007, 01:23 PM

Dimmu Borgir 'Progenies of the Great Apocalypse'... I love this song, though the clip version is shortened! :frown3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8bUs0eqHYY

Here is the long version, in a concert :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWlsuBfin-U

dogukan

06-28-2007, 06:07 PM

I don't like most of the Norwegian bands, they play the hardest metal I've heard
But if "Theatre of Tragedy" is from Norway(I guess Germany) I can change my mind :)

mustavaris

06-29-2007, 02:22 AM

I don't like most of the Norwegian bands, they play the hardest metal I've heard
But if "Theatre of Tragedy" is from Norway(I guess Germany) I can change my mind :)

ToT is from Norway though some of their songs are in German;)

And if you like them maybe you should also check Sins of Thy Beloved and if talking about something that is not metal.. Ulver´s Perdition City is an excellent album and Peccatum´s Lost In Reverie.. And a good and rather new folk metal act is Lumsk (though their singer is too classically oriented for folk if I am asked) and one really good folk-rock band is Gåte:)

Norway has a lot more than just extreme metal to offer.

Vladimir80

06-29-2007, 02:32 AM

I grew up with Aria...

mustavaris

06-29-2007, 02:57 AM

I grew up with Aria...

Aria is nice band, and Kipelov has done some good work on his own too. Though my all time favourites from Russia are Arkona and DDT(not metal).. but also Melnitsa/Khelavisa are really nice, non-metal stuff:) Butterfly Temple and Servernii Vrata make also good music (metal).

moca

12-24-2007, 03:07 AM

I agree with its a really fantastic work...

Svetojar

12-24-2007, 05:38 AM

Aria is nice band, and Kipelov has done some good work on his own too. Though my all time favourites from Russia are Arkona and DDT(not metal).. but also Melnitsa/Khelavisa are really nice, non-metal stuff:) Butterfly Temple and Servernii Vrata make also good music (metal).

Arkona is good, but IRON MAIDEN rules!!!!

mustavaris

12-24-2007, 01:57 PM

Arkona is good, but IRON MAIDEN rules!!!!

That is very true. One of the first bands I ever paid attention... gonna see them in summer in Helsinki, already got the ticket:roflmao3:

Svetojar

12-25-2007, 09:53 AM

That is very true. One of the first bands I ever paid attention... gonna see them in summer in Helsinki, already got the ticket:roflmao3:

i saw them in march this year in Belgrade! Man... they are goooooood!
PS there are a lot of good bands from Finland, your metal scene is respectable

wow

12-25-2007, 09:56 AM

i like Rap especialy gangster rap :)

Svetojar

12-25-2007, 09:58 AM

i like Rap especialy gangster rap :)

Yeeeeeeah, but try to listen metall... You'll see what is real music

dogukan

12-25-2007, 03:34 PM

i saw them in march this year in Belgrade! Man... they are goooooood!
PS there are a lot of good bands from Finland, your metal scene is respectable

indeed.......

wow

12-25-2007, 03:36 PM

Yeeeeeeah, but try to listen metall... You'll see what is real music

nah i stick with hiphop

mustavaris

01-03-2008, 04:01 PM

nah i stick with hiphop

It is good to check new stuff and new genres.

Even I, once a sworn enemy of hip hop & all related has found a couple of acceptable artists;) Not mainstream basic hip hop though.

wow

01-03-2008, 04:03 PM

It is good to check new stuff and new genres.

Even I, once a sworn enemy of hip hop & all related has found a couple of acceptable artists;) Not mainstream basic hip hop though.

:roflmao3: once i was on the bus and a man was playing heavy metal loud i hated it i mean i had a head ache anyway i dont like the rappers who talk about money and cars :tired1_24: i like the ones which still are gangster :p but it depends where you was brought up and what you went through

Arashi

01-03-2008, 05:14 PM

This is pretty interesting, although their singer is not the best...recorded in Iran.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SBaGuwUphKw

VillageWolf

01-03-2008, 05:18 PM

Im str8 Gangster by any definition of the word. I like hip hop cause it
makes me wanna dance and hit somebody. Same thing with metal, but
in metal its not about girls asses. Metal loses points for that.

wow

01-03-2008, 05:27 PM

ihsahn

01-16-2008, 07:55 PM

its good to see some irianian heavy metal, im a metal fan myself:yes1:

atilla

01-29-2008, 04:01 PM

atg,dismember,amon amarth rulz!

Kalfus

01-29-2008, 04:57 PM

amon amarth rulz!

Damn right, brother! \o/

My favorite music is Cry of the Black Birds

Svetojar

03-05-2008, 11:16 AM

Anyone knows where can I download My dying bride for free????

Svetojar

03-05-2008, 11:17 AM

its good to see some irianian heavy metal, im a metal fan myself:yes1:

Is there any metall in iran?

Svetojar

03-05-2008, 11:18 AM

atg,dismember,amon amarth rulz!

Not bad...

Charpan

03-05-2008, 11:20 AM

Anyone knows where can I download My dying bride for free????

try finding its torrent

mustavaris

03-05-2008, 03:13 PM

Is there any metall in iran?

Iran has one of the most vivid metal scenes in Middle-East,and it is home to dozens of bands... there is a real underground touch one rarely finds anymore in the popularized and sanitized western metal spheres. Only Turkey and Israel can rival Iran in the ME.

Check following artists if you can: Farzad Golpayegani (excellent instrumental prog: http://www.farzadonline.com/), Amertad (slow gothic metal with opera-like female vocals), Ahoora (ok but not very original power metal: http://www.myspace.com/ahooraband),

There are also many others, but start from there:)

...and if you are fond of raw underground blackmetal, I can give a few recommendations:wub2:

IR.IRAN

03-05-2008, 04:50 PM

Udødelig

03-26-2008, 07:37 PM

Orphaned Land (Israeli metal band) in Waken 2006 Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jE1j-8TWY&feature=related

Udødelig

03-26-2008, 09:28 PM

Salem - A Moment Of Silence Live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIWn3pB2Ppw&feature=related
(I've been at that gig)

Salem and Attila from Mayhem playing Deathcrush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA-COeL967g&feature=related

Salem - Act Of War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS7shnVCYdc&feature=related

Udødelig

03-26-2008, 10:33 PM

More Israeli bands;

Betzefer - Downlow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyPffz3UwSY&feature=related

Betzefer- Early Grave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEp2uIc2EaE&feature=related

Bartholomeus Night - Theosophia Pneumatica
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjOybL67do4
Too bad I can't find some of their best songs on YouTube, I think it's the best Black Metal band in Israel.

Speedkills

03-31-2008, 06:30 PM

One of my favorite band lately ;)

Exodus - Toxic Waltz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x051jArBNRE

Speedkills

03-31-2008, 06:46 PM

there are many metalheads in iran, i have a few freinds into that, also quite a few bands (as mustavaris pointed out above)

here are a few regular metalheads in iran lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc3x26MvjmI

Metallica?!

I hope they like the 1980's Metallica and not the band from the 1990's/2000's...

mustavaris

03-31-2008, 11:50 PM

Speedkills

04-01-2008, 04:50 AM

Good metal has been done since 1980s.

Every decade has its own stuff, but gotta say that 1990...200x were bad years for American metal. Sweden, Norway and Finland produced each more and better bands. Only during the last few years have American metal scene found originality and started to produce new and interesting artists.

That's not true, I once thought like you but than I found some American bands who made music in the 1990's who changed my mind..., But the year 2000 really brought many ******** metal bands with it... sad

mustavaris

04-01-2008, 05:09 AM

That's not true, I once thought like you but than I found some American bands who made music in the 1990's who changed my mind..., But the year 2000 really brought many ******** metal bands with it... sad

Well.. well.. old American bands produced quality stuff during the 1990s, but American metal was not paving the way. The continued the well trodden paths or aped others. There are only a few decent bands from 1990s. Some which rose to the scene in early 00s started in 1990s, but that is all in my opinion.

And there are plenty of good bands from this century.

Russia and many other countries have much to offer;)

Arashi

04-01-2008, 06:21 AM

Agalloch is a rather original American band. It's pretty much the only american band I find interesting at the moment.

Speedkills

04-01-2008, 06:47 AM

Russia and many other countries have much to offer;)
But it's all in Russian so no one will listen...

Rammstein has really great music but no one understands their lyrics -- an example why Russian metal is only for Russia.

mustavaris

04-01-2008, 09:00 AM

There are plenty of Russian bands singing in English, and how do you explain that many bands which sing in Swedish, Norwegian or Finnish have gotten international success?

At the moment we have a band in our national TOP40 which is doom metal sung in Russian.

mustavaris

04-01-2008, 09:06 AM

Agalloch is a rather original American band. It's pretty much the only american band I find interesting at the moment.

Yes, they are good.

If you want to hear something similar, but softer and more ambient: check band "Kauan". It is a Russian band who sing in Finnish. Sounds like metalish Tenhi without folk influences (Tenhi is very exceptional Finnish band, though it has nothing to do with metal being acoustic folk ambient).

Arashi

04-01-2008, 09:11 AM

Yes, they are good.

If you want to hear something similar, but softer and more ambient: check band "Kauan". It is a Russian band who sing in Finnish. Sounds like metalish Tenhi without folk influences (Tenhi is very exceptional Finnish band, though it has nothing to do with metal being acoustic folk ambient).

Yeah, I know Tenhi, their "Kauan" album is excellent. Thanks for the tip, will check them out.

dogukan

04-01-2008, 09:16 AM

Agalloch is a rather original American band. It's pretty much the only american band I find interesting at the moment.

*thumbs up*

dogukan

04-01-2008, 09:17 AM

Orphaned Land (Israeli metal band) in Waken 2006 Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jE1j-8TWY&feature=related

thats is a great band indeed

mustavaris

04-01-2008, 09:19 AM

Heh, I just realized that one of the Tenhi´s albums bears the same name as this Russian band.. Maaäet is my favourite album from Tenhi.

Arashi

04-01-2008, 09:26 AM

Kauan's orchestral arrangements and drum machine (?) kinda remind me of Rakoth (also Russian).
There's so much music to download and so little time :(

mustavaris

04-01-2008, 09:34 AM

Yes.. music is one of the few fields where there actually is too much of good stuff. The Russian scene as a whole is rather new area for me, I started to pay attention to it only a few years ago.

Udødelig

04-01-2008, 12:33 PM

Yes.. music is one of the few fields where there actually is too much of good stuff. The Russian scene as a whole is rather new area for me, I started to pay attention to it only a few years ago.

Then you should know Pagan Reign, my favorite Russian band.

mustavaris

04-01-2008, 02:42 PM

Then you should know Pagan Reign, my favorite Russian band.

Yes, Pagan Reign is great indeed. I also like Butterfly Temple and Arkona. Severnii Vrata is ok too from those folkish metal acts, but Arkona is simply awesome.

My favourite metal-lady:)

http://a605.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/6/m_eca2b98c99d2ecba49dd5528af24d71c.jpg

And one of my favourite songs ever (would be perfect song if I were Russian!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMQU1Tjfwr8

IR.IRAN

04-04-2008, 09:39 AM

new IRANIAN death/mad metal band is out called HATK which are in iran, not in my taste of music but they are good.
they are like a mixture of mudvayne and slayer and a little bit dimmu.

IR.IRAN

04-04-2008, 02:30 PM

new IRANIAN death/mad metal band is out called HATK which are in iran, not in my taste of music but they are good.
they are like a mixture of mudvayne and slayer and a little bit dimmu.

found the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrCJVHyRTL0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWaiwZHIB0Y

Arashi

04-05-2008, 08:19 AM

Iranian black-metal band "Sorg Innkallelse" (No idea why they have a swedish/norwegian name).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sRdHWUi_pVk

mustavaris

04-05-2008, 09:47 AM

I hadn´t heard of Hatk, and gotta say that they sound really good. Sorg Innkallelse is familiar... I suppose that the name was chosen due to the heavy 1990s Norwegian BM influences the band has. Where on Earth I could buy Hatks album? The development of Iranian metal scene seems to be both fascinating and fast: within few years I have seen how they have developed Iranian metal scene out of very basic copy-this-and-that scene - just like Russia did a bit earlier. It seems that we will see interesting development in the scene in the future:)