Syrian troops head towards Israeli border

[Azarakash]

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=13214
It appears that the Syrians have moved forces closer to the border with Israel on the Golan Heights."

Schiff also pointed to similar troop deployments ahead of a Syrian assault on the same front during the Arab-Israeli Yom Kippur War in October 1973.

[apple_fritta]

it's probably just a defensive measure...

[Voozio]

That was highly covered couple of days ago here, untill goverment officials asked not to escalate things with all the speculations about the reasons behind those syrian moves.

But im sure our intel is watching it closely. We sure dont want to repeat 1973's mistakes all over again.

[SS_Charlemagne]

That was highly covered couple of days ago here, untill goverment officials asked not to escalate things with all the speculations about the reasons behind those syrian moves.

But im sure our intel is watching it closely. We sure dont want to repeat 1973's mistakes all over again.

Don't worry, they are going for a walk to the country... :D

[Suryoyo]

Please!! Let this be an syrian attack!

[SS_Charlemagne]

Please!! Let this be an syrian attack!

Hey, Suryoyo, you understand spanish? I have posted an interesting article about it from a spanish website in non-english sub forum. Is long for to translate (call me lazy, LOL) but in essence it says Syria could send again troops on Lebanon and attack Israel, and this movement would ruin (at least temporary) the plans of US to attack Iran... I don't know what do you think...:3eyes4:

[Suryoyo]

Hey, Suryoyo, you understand spanish? I have posted an interesting article about it from a spanish website. Is long for to translate (call me lazy, LOL) but in essence it says Syria could send again troops on Lebanon and attack Israel, and this movement would ruin (at least temporary) the plans of US to attack Iran... I don't know what do you think...:3eyes4:

i dont speak spanish, and weres the article?

"Syria could send again troops on Lebanon and attack Israel"

i dont understand, why would they do that? UN troops wont let them in and the lebanese wont let them in. its just stupid, israel would target syria.

[SS_Charlemagne]

i dont speak spanish, and weres the article?

"Syria could send again troops on Lebanon and attack Israel"

i dont understand, why would they do that? UN troops wont let them in and the lebanese wont let them in. its just stupid, israel would target syria.

Hey, here: http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?p=125672#post125672

Sorry, I said in a very short way. It refers to a Syrian movement in advance, entering in Lebanon and deploying near Golan Heighs, to thwart any possible israeli-american attack against Iran. Not to launch immediatly an attack against Israel. There are rumours about it, states the article. Israel and US would be at least confused about what to do then...

[Suryoyo]

Hey, here: http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?p=125672#post125672

Sorry, I said in a very short way. It refers to a Syrian movement in advance, entering in Lebanon and deploying near Golan Heighs, to thwart any possible israeli-american attack against Iran. Not to launch immediatly an attack against Israel. There are rumours about it, states the article. Israel and US would be at least confused about what to do then...

syria cant stop israels air force.

[SS_Charlemagne]

syria cant stop israels air force.

well, what about those Su-27 and some S-300... they at least can do a little damage, no?

[Suryoyo]

well, what about those Su-27 and some S-300... they at least can do a little damage, no?

S-300s are great, they will be able to hit israel and create damage.

The syrian airforce cant do anything to israel, they will all be shot down by israels F-16s in another humiliating air battle.

[Thongurf]

I hope syria attacks, the public needs a boost of confidence!

And beating syria is always fun, though not as fun as defeating egypt :)

[Suryoyo]

I hope syria attacks, the public needs a boost of confidence!

And beating syria is always fun, though not as fun as defeating egypt :)

ahahaha!!

Thank God för Chemical Weapons aka Mustard Gas :) Lets see who wins this time :)

[SS_Charlemagne]

S-300s are great, they will be able to hit israel and create damage.

The syrian airforce cant do anything to israel, they will all be shot down be israels F-16s in another humiliating air battle.

Well, Syria has a good number (around 80 if I am not wrong) of MiG-29 and MiG-25, and perhaps some Su-27... look at that link, from 7 years ago: http://www.meib.org/articles/0006_s2.htm It talks about Syria purchasing 30 Su-27 and some S-300, and also upgrading the MiG-29 to SMT level. Also Syria has a lot of SCUDS... I think Syria is not so weak...
BTW, I suppose Syria has learned the lessons of past... :)

[Suryoyo]

Well, Syria has a good number (around 80 if I am not wrong) of MiG-29 and MiG-25, and perhaps some Su-27... look at that link, from 7 years ago: http://www.meib.org/articles/0006_s2.htm It talks about Syria purchasing 30 Su-27 and some S-300, and also upgrading the MiG-29 to SMT level. Also Syria has a lot of SCUDS... I think Syria is not so weak...
BTW, I suppose Syria has learned the lessons of past... :)

syrian planes will be target practice for IAF.

the only way for them to do any good would be in a surprice attack.

[Baibars]

ahahaha!!

Thank God för Chemical Weapons aka Mustard Gas :) Lets see who wins this time :)

Again, this is sick. And Mustard Gas hasn't been used since ww2 no?

[Azarakash]

Well, Syria has a good number (around 80 if I am not wrong) of MiG-29 and MiG-25, and perhaps some Su-27... look at that link, from 7 years ago: http://www.meib.org/articles/0006_s2.htm It talks about Syria purchasing 30 Su-27 and some S-300, and also upgrading the MiG-29 to SMT level. Also Syria has a lot of SCUDS... I think Syria is not so weak...
BTW, I suppose Syria has learned the lessons of past... :)
In the past Syria was as weak as Lebanon is today. They certainly have improved. Syria also has the E-Skander surface to surface missile.

[mango994]

Syria's problem is that Israel's military posts at the Golan scout very deep into Syria, so Israel will have plenty of time to prepare if a ground force is advancing.

[4X-IL]

Syria's problem is that Israel's military posts at the Golan scout very deep into Syria, so Israel will have plenty of time to prepare if a ground force is advancing.

Scout very deep? In a good day you can see about 100km of ground, it is impossible to surprise Israel from this angle in 2007.

Even if the Phalcon and the Eitam wont get them ( and they will ), the Syrian ground troops, besides having old equipment from the beginning are inferior because of this very important angle.

[Suryoyo]

Scout very deep? In a good day you can see about 100km of ground, it is impossible to surprise Israel from this angle in 2007.


hmm... then we should try to liberate south Syria on an foggy day :)

[mango994]

Good choice. You won't see sh.it. I guess you'll mistakely march to Lebanon or something.

[Suryoyo]

Good choice. You won't see sh.it. I guess you'll mistakely march to Lebanon or something.

yes but you wont either :P

[Suryoyo]

"Olmert tells defense heads to prepare for war with Syria"

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1171894516383&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

May the liberation begin soon :)

[apple_fritta]

syria doesnt pose a threat to israel atm.....why 'prepare'|??

[Suryoyo]

syria doesnt pose a threat to israel atm.....why 'prepare'|??

syria can, if they wanted to, hit Tel Aviv and Haifa with chemical weapons.

just imagine, tens of thousands israelis dead on the streets....

[4X-IL]

syria can, if they wanted to, hit Tel Aviv and Haifa with chemical weapons.

just imagine, tens of thousands israelis dead on the streets....

There's no point for Syria to attack Tel Aviv and Haifa with Scuds same as Israel wont attack Damascus with same missiles.

It will only cause for thousands of civilians to die on both sides, and will bring Israel to use force which no one here wants to use. It will finish the war with consequences that no one on both sides want to take.

[Thongurf]

"Olmert tells defense heads to prepare for war with Syria"

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1171894516383&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

May the liberation begin soon :)


I believe you have a saying, which is more like a word...and it goes like this:
Inshallah!

[Suryoyo]

inshallah indeed!

[apple_fritta]

inshallah indeed!

war isnt the solution :)

[Behrooz Boonabi]

syria can, if they wanted to, hit Tel Aviv and Haifa with chemical weapons.

just imagine, tens of thousands israelis dead on the streets....

I think the question is when and not if.

[Ace]

israel will retaliate with nuclear weapons. not only against syria, but also against all middle east nations! their jericho-3 ballistic missiles can hit anywhere within a 6000km radius of israel.

its in everyone's interest to stop syria attacking israel. or it could be cataclysmic for the middle east

[AL-EH]

israel will retaliate with nuclear weapons. not only against syria, but also against all middle east nations! their jericho-3 ballistic missiles can hit anywhere within a 6000km radius of israel.

its in everyone's interest to stop syria attacking israel. or it could be cataclysmic for the middle east

so what your saying is israel will start a world war... your admitting to this?
and i'd like to add that Su-30s are being talked about (if not already there)

[apple_fritta]

so what your saying is israel will start a world war... your admitting to this?
and i'd like to add that Su-30s are being talked about (if not already there)

dont get too exited mate..su30 sale hasnt been finalised yet, like u said...just been talked about.

Israel has already ordered JSF.

Even with su30 SAAF doesnt stand a chanse against f16/i and super eagles. Israel Has carries which syria lacks too. Just make peace with israel..wasting time.


(ps: i am not Israeli)

[4X-IL]

dont get too exited mate..su30 sale hasnt been finalised yet, like u said...just been talked about.

Israel has already ordered JSF.

Even with su30 SAAF doesnt stand a chanse against f16/i and super eagles. Israel Has carries which syria lacks too. Just make peace with israel..wasting time.


(ps: i am not Israeli)

Israel never had and never intended to have carriers.

We have nothing to do with them.

[apple_fritta]

Israel never had and never intended to have carriers.

We have nothing to do with them.

you serious...oke.

anywho. Israel does have a pretty deadly navy. Syra's is just a small force of missile boats

[Ace]

so what your saying is israel will start a world war... your admitting to this?
and i'd like to add that Su-30s are being talked about (if not already there)

Israel will use nukes only if syria uses chemical weapons. otherwise i'm confident that israel can defeat syria conventionally

[Tbagger]

Israel has already ordered JSF.

Even with su30 SAAF doesnt stand a chanse against f16/i and super eagles. Israel Has carries which syria lacks too.
Carriers? The Israeli Navy does not have the fundings to field/maintain one.

They don't need one, anyway.

[Ricardo]

Carriers? The Israeli Navy has the fundings to field/maintain one.

They don't need one, anyway.

they dont need it and they could not even use it to attack his modern enemys.

[Tbagger]

they dont need it and they could not even use it to attack his modern enemys.
Whoops, I meant, "does not have the fundings". My bad.

[apple_fritta]

abit of generosity from uuncle sam..israel can do ANYTHING *bangs head on wall* :@

PEACE, NOT WAR!

[AL-EH]

dont get too exited mate..su30 sale hasnt been finalised yet, like u said...just been talked about.

Israel has already ordered JSF.

Even with su30 SAAF doesnt stand a chanse against f16/i and super eagles. Israel Has carries which syria lacks too. Just make peace with israel..wasting time.


(ps: i am not Israeli)

jsf in 2013? lol

[Behrooz Boonabi]

abit of generosity from uuncle sam..israel can do ANYTHING *bangs head on wall* :@

PEACE, NOT WAR!

Too much generosity. Such a waist. If it wasnt for the US, i$raelis would starve and move back to the US and Europe. The welfare system may not be as good but at least it will be home and Palestinians can finaly live in peace.

[AL-EH]

Too much generosity. Such a waist. If it wasnt for the US, i$raelis would starve and move back to the US and Europe. The welfare system may not be as good but at least it will be home and Palestinians can finaly live in peace.

the US is pretty fed up atm.. due to losses in lebanon afganistan and iraq i don't know how much more "generosity" there will be.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

the US is pretty fed up atm.. due to losses in lebanon afganistan and iraq i don't know how much more "generosity" there will be.

I dont know if that caused the problem in the US economy at all. I probibly had something to do with it being that the US defence industry is a very corrupted orgonization. The downfall of the US is going to be edjucation. Unedjucated workforce leaves to unedjucated jobs. That leads to bad incomes and that leads to pissed off Americans. Pissed off Americans can lead to reform. :)

[AL-EH]

uneducated pissed off americans will lead to uneducated reforms:P

[Behrooz Boonabi]

uneducated pissed off americans will lead to uneducated reforms:P

I hope your wrong for all of us. Educated Americans are not a problem to the world. It is the Uneducated that like Bush and his cronies. If you ask them they are not sure why.

[apple_fritta]

jsf in 2013? lol

WHAT THE........? :worried2:

:huh2:

[PeterV]

israel will retaliate with nuclear weapons. not only against syria, but also against all middle east nations! their jericho-3 ballistic missiles can hit anywhere within a 6000km radius of israel.

its in everyone's interest to stop syria attacking israel. or it could be cataclysmic for the middle east

Israel will never use nukes (same as Iran would never use them, they are just for insurance), because they don't have a death wish. If Israel for some strange reason does decide to use them, they will lose ALL support from Europe and the U.S. .... and they probably don't need to use them, especially not against Syria or Lebanon...

[Voozio]

Oh, people, come on! The only possible situation when Israel uses nuclear weapons against its enemies is when facing a total defeat, with no other options in hand. That, and of course the retaliation to the unconventional strike inside Israel. Just to remind you... Israel supposedly had nukes in 1973 and still haven't used them.

P.S.: Now about those small tactical nukes... ;)

[Ricardo]

Oh, people, come on! The only possible situation when Israel uses nuclear weapons against its enemies is when facing a total defeat, with no other options in hand. That, and of course the retaliation to the unconventional strike inside Israel. Just to remind you... Israel supposedly had nukes in 1973 and still haven't used them.

P.S.: Now about those small tactical nukes... ;)

That's very true, if Israel faces destruction they will take the entire middle east to hell with them.

Hitler had a similiar idea:3eyes4:

[mango994]

How will it neutralize it? With magic?

[PeterV]

How will it neutralize it? With magic?

By destroying your sh$tfaced country before you know what's going on....

[vahidi04]

It will be extremely difficult to win a war against Israel, it will always be backed by the United States.

And I don't even know what im referring to as (win), cause im not a fan of destruction and death.

But im guessing Israel won't be around for long.

[mango994]

By destroying your sh$tfaced country before you know what's going on....

Missiles don't destroy countries, my dear. Only ground invasions.
And how will you invade? US surrounds you from both Iraq and the Gulf.

[Suryoyo]

through Syria.

[mango994]

lol through what border? XD

[Suryoyo]

the UN border line between free Syria and the ocupied part of Syria.

[AL-EH]

the UN border line between free Syria and the ocupied part of Syria.

i think he meant how will you get to syria

[PeterV]

lol through what border? XD

Iran doesn't need to do it themselves; they got Hezbollah.... And how do you think they get the weapons from Iran to Hezbollah?? You think they get beamed up and sent through space??
There are no invincible countries on this earth, and for a country to be destroyed it doesn't necessarily mean you have to do it by conventional warfare. There are numerous possibillities

[Suryoyo]

i think he meant how will you get to syria

Boats and airplanes.

[AL-EH]

Boats and airplanes.

yeah i know i'm with you buddy.... i'm just clarifying what he said

[1973 victory]

Oh, people, come on! The only possible situation when Israel uses nuclear weapons against its enemies is when facing a total defeat, with no other options in hand. That, and of course the retaliation to the unconventional strike inside Israel. Just to remind you... Israel supposedly had nukes in 1973 and still haven't used them.

P.S.: Now about those small tactical nukes... ;)

that is some old info that many israelis don't know ....

it is true that after the IAF destruction in 73' israel had uncoverd some nukes to prepare for the arabs if they advance their attack .... the plan was secret but it was to load some planes with them and hitting egypt and syria with - they were too desprate - but after their mother USA rushed to calm the crying golda & refit israeli army with nearly one third of their stocks ... there was no need for nukes and they put it again away from using them ....

that is some old info that many israelis oldmen don't know ....

but i see that if syria wage a war with israel it will fight for freeing the golan from the illegal occupation only .... and they really have some state of the art weapons .... but fighting israel is not a tactical war because they reply with attacks on cities .... not on armies ....as usual ...

so i don't think this time israel will reach the desprate point to think to use nukes....

[4X-IL]

that is some old info that many israelis don't know ....

it is true that after the IAF destruction in 73' israel had uncoverd some nukes to prepare for the arabs if they advance their attack .... the plan was secret but it was to load some planes with them and hitting egypt and syria with - they were too desprate - but after their mother USA rushed to calm the crying golda & refit israeli army with nearly one third of their stocks ... there was no need for nukes and they put it again away from using them ....

that is some old info that many israelis oldmen don't know ....

but i see that if syria wage a war with israel it will fight for freeing the golan from the illegal occupation only .... and they really have some state of the art weapons .... but fighting israel is not a tactical war because they reply with attacks on cities .... not on armies ....as usual ...

so i don't think this time israel will reach the desprate point to think to use nukes....

It is not as complicated as you says it was.

Moshe Dayan addressed the US Goverment very clearly with his words, he said or you send help, or I press the red button and help myself. On Egypt, not on Syria. Syria wasn't such a threat at that time like it was before, the IDF managed to handle them.

Nuking Egypt was a very possible scenario, and from recent things I've heard from some ex IDF soldiers it was even much closer than we thought it was, and the plans of doing that was very real and possible. Which of course would've gave the IDF the upper hand on the Egyptian, but would've probably started another world war.

After this threat the US goverment immedietly launched operation Nickel Grass.

The tanks the US gave Israel on that operation was aimed for the Egyptian front, since half of the army was still stuck in the Golan, or on its way.

[1973 victory]

It is not as complicated as you says it was.

Moshe Dayan addressed the US Goverment very clearly with his words, he said or you send help, or I press the red button and help myself. On Egypt, not on Syria. Syria wasn't such a threat at that time like it was before, the IDF managed to handle them.


yea ... that's correct .... i think the red option suggestion here wasn't to be discussed unless for protecting israel from suffering a total defeat that happend ....

but we comes to ...



Nuking Egypt was a very possible scenario, and from recent things I've heard from some ex IDF soldiers it was even much closer than we thought it was, and the plans of doing that was very real and possible. Which of course would've gave the IDF the upper hand on the Egyptian, but would've probably started another world war.


look .... if israel was going to use the nukes .... that means suicide to israelis and the existance to "Israel" itself .... for some reasons:

1- forget about USA operation nickel grass ( that saves israel a##) ... so you stand alone in face of the incoming attacks ... and my analysis here is that moche dayan used the nuclear weapon to supress USA to give israel a new army quickly ....not just using it for attacking .

and israeli army was not able to fight anymore with so much tanks destroyed in sinai ...


2- nuking egypt will make them to quickly empy their huge arsenal of WMD in a very small areas of israel ....( that was the planned reaction ) which would make damage not less than what nukes could do for my country ( EGYPT ) .

3- also the nukes will give egypt the maximun aid from the arabs , the nukes will unite all the ******* armies to fight israel ... so huge international moving could smash israeli into pieces more than happends...


4- talking about world war is incorrect .... for who will support israel ?

USA ?

EUROPE ?

no....

so the nuclear weapon is a straregic weapon or "deter weapon" not to complicate matters in wars....

or may be used to opress USA to aid israel madly as happends ...

the same thing with syria .... nukes are in fact towards israel not towards arabs ....

[Suryoyo]

It is not as complicated as you says it was.

Moshe Dayan addressed the US Goverment very clearly with his words, he said or you send help, or I press the red button and help myself. On Egypt, not on Syria. Syria wasn't such a threat at that time like it was before, the IDF managed to handle them.

Nuking Egypt was a very possible scenario, and from recent things I've heard from some ex IDF soldiers it was even much closer than we thought it was, and the plans of doing that was very real and possible. Which of course would've gave the IDF the upper hand on the Egyptian, but would've probably started another world war.

After this threat the US goverment immedietly launched operation Nickel Grass.

The tanks the US gave Israel on that operation was aimed for the Egyptian front, since half of the army was still stuck in the Golan, or on its way.

According to the movie "Sum of all Fears" they were preparing nuclear attacks on Syria.

[PeterV]

It is not as complicated as you says it was.

Moshe Dayan addressed the US Goverment very clearly with his words, he said or you send help, or I press the red button and help myself. On Egypt, not on Syria. Syria wasn't such a threat at that time like it was before, the IDF managed to handle them.

Nuking Egypt was a very possible scenario, and from recent things I've heard from some ex IDF soldiers it was even much closer than we thought it was, and the plans of doing that was very real and possible. Which of course would've gave the IDF the upper hand on the Egyptian, but would've probably started another world war.

After this threat the US goverment immedietly launched operation Nickel Grass.

The tanks the US gave Israel on that operation was aimed for the Egyptian front, since half of the army was still stuck in the Golan, or on its way.

Well that certainly is something to be proud of...
Again it amplifies the fact that your country is run by a bunch of sick people... Who can blame Iran for seeking insurance in Nukes if a country like Israel already has them, and also wants to use them...?

[PeterV]

yea ... that's correct .... i think the red option suggestion here wasn't to be discussed unless for protecting israel from suffering a total defeat that happend ....

but we comes to ...



look .... if israel was going to use the nukes .... that means suicide to israelis and the existance to "Israel" itself .... for some reasons:

1- forget about USA operation nickel grass ( that saves israel a##) ... so you stand alone in face of the incoming attacks ... and my analysis here is that moche dayan used the nuclear weapon to supress USA to give israel a new army quickly ....not just using it for attacking .

and israeli army was not able to fight anymore with so much tanks destroyed in sinai ...


2- nuking egypt will make them to quickly empy their huge arsenal of WMD in a very small areas of israel ....( that was the planned reaction ) which would make damage not less than what nukes could do for my country ( EGYPT ) .

3- also the nukes will give egypt the maximun aid from the arabs , the nukes will unite all the ******* armies to fight israel ... so huge international moving could smash israeli into pieces more than happends...


4- talking about world war is incorrect .... for who will support israel ?

USA ?

EUROPE ?

no....

so the nuclear weapon is a straregic weapon or "deter weapon" not to complicate matters in wars....

or may be used to opress USA to aid israel madly as happends ...

the same thing with syria .... nukes are in fact towards israel not towards arabs ....


Correct, Europe and U.S. cannot back up Israel anymore if they use nukes....

[4X-IL]

Sadly, the using of WMD was not only a threat, it was very real one and very dangerous one either.

I don't care what the movie " Sum of all fears " said, the WMD plan was on Egypt, which was the real threat of the Yum kippur war, and not on Syria.

There was no plans to nuke Cairo ( probably plans, but not a threat to that ), the plans was to use tactical nukes againts the Egyptian army bases, and againts their military in the open desert.

[mango994]

In fact the launching possibility was not real, but only to stun Egypt.
Israel aired a helicopter armed with a nuke so Egypt's radars will detect it and cause Egypt to stop the advance, but unfortunately the egyptian radars didn't detect the heli and the plan failed.

You're all so proud of your achievement in Sinai '73, but what if you didn't have Syria on your side? Most of the Israeli forces were sent against Syria since it was closer to inner Israel, and posed a close threat on Israel's north.

Now back to topic:

PeterV, Hizbolla is not capable to destroy Israel, or even attack its ground. Hizbolla is TOTALLY based on its infrastructure and familiar territory in Lebanon, and has no mobilization.
Iran may smuggle weapons, but you can't smuggle armies. Sorry to tell u that.

No country was ever defeated without a ground attack.
And believe me, Iran and Syria's combined missile power is not capable to destroy Israel, so they can shoot their whole arsenal, it won't help them. What, you think Israel will absorb the missiles like a good boy and then evacuate itself? dude you're pathetic. If you don't have the ground ability, then u can't do anything. Through the sea? lol, through Israel's southern bay? 1. The Persian Gulf is blocked by USA.
2. The bay is surrounded by Egypt, Jordan and Saudia, all are enemies of Iran, and won't allow it to invade.

[PeterV]

Now back to topic:

PeterV, Hizbolla is not capable to destroy Israel, or even attack its ground. Hizbolla is TOTALLY based on its infrastructure and familiar territory in Lebanon, and has no mobilization.
Iran may smuggle weapons, but you can't smuggle armies. Sorry to tell u that.

No country was ever defeated without a ground attack.
And believe me, Iran and Syria's combined missile power is not capable to destroy Israel, so they can shoot their whole arsenal, it won't help them. What, you think Israel will absorb the missiles like a good boy and then evacuate itself? dude you're pathetic. If you don't have the ground ability, then u can't do anything. Through the sea? lol, through Israel's southern bay? 1. The Persian Gulf is blocked by USA.
2. The bay is surrounded by Egypt, Jordan and Saudia, all are enemies of Iran, and won't allow it to invade.

We are talking invasion, not occupation. Again you seem unable to understand the difference between 2 words. Hezbollah is very much capable of more destruction in Israel if Syria and Iran increase their weapon supplies to Hezbollah. Conventional warfare where national armies cross into another country is not the only way to wage war my friend....

[mango994]

You can wage wars, but you can't conquer Israel.

[1973 victory]

In fact the launching possibility was not real, but only to stun Egypt.
Israel aired a helicopter armed with a nuke so Egypt's radars will detect it and cause Egypt to stop the advance, but unfortunately the egyptian radars didn't detect the heli and the plan failed.

Now back to topic:

PeterV, Hizbolla is not capable to destroy Israel, or even attack its ground. Hizbolla is TOTALLY based on its infrastructure and familiar territory in Lebanon, and has no mobilization.
Iran may smuggle weapons, but you can't smuggle armies. Sorry to tell u that.

No country was ever defeated without a ground attack.
And believe me, Iran and Syria's combined missile power is not capable to destroy Israel, so they can shoot their whole arsenal, it won't help them. What, you think Israel will absorb the missiles like a good boy and then evacuate itself? dude you're pathetic. If you don't have the ground ability, then u can't do anything. Through the sea? lol, through Israel's southern bay? 1. The Persian Gulf is blocked by USA.
2. The bay is surrounded by Egypt, Jordan and Saudia, all are enemies of Iran, and won't allow it to invade.


helicopter ?

how old are you mango ??:roflmao3:


and i said that this info was known only by little no of israelis , and 4X-IL seemed to hear about it ...

the lauching plan WAS REAL ...


the real plan was to nuke syria not egypt ... because syria was closer to israel and in some phases of the war they reached the border line ....and the other forced was in sinai trying to make a desprate counter attacks by hundreds of tanks ... but they all met their destiny.

[Oriellien]

We are talking invasion, not occupation. Again you seem unable to understand the difference between 2 words. Hezbollah is very much capable of more destruction in Israel if Syria and Iran increase their weapon supplies to Hezbollah. Conventional warfare where national armies cross into another country is not the only way to wage war my friend....

The more Isreal gets attacked, the more they are likely to bomb targets in lebannon/syria/iran harder then they get bombed, like in the June war. I think if Hezbollah launches a full scale attack on Israel, civillians in lebannon/syria/iran will be bombed even harder.

[mango994]

Israel didn't really mean to launch a nuke, it wanted to stun Egypt.
And yes it was against EGYPT.
Syria was totally screwed up by Israel in '73, Israel really didn't need any nuke threatening against Syria.

[1973 victory]

Israel didn't really mean to launch a nuke, it wanted to stun Egypt.
And yes it was against EGYPT.
Syria was totally screwed up by Israel in '73, Israel really didn't need any nuke threatening against Syria.

to be fair ... the plan was to bomb syria first ... because it's the closer ... then bomb egypt because it will take them time to reach the border ...

but there was a plan for this action ...

it seems that you mango have no real information about this period , do you think that we are exaggering ?? the situation was critical then ...

nuke on helicopter ...??:roflmao3:

4X-IL knows much better than you .... so don't screw the thread by your imagination about this period ...

[PeterV]

You can wage wars, but you can't conquer Israel.

Same goes for Iran..

[PeterV]

The more Isreal gets attacked, the more they are likely to bomb targets in lebannon/syria/iran harder then they get bombed, like in the June war. I think if Hezbollah launches a full scale attack on Israel, civillians in lebannon/syria/iran will be bombed even harder.

And the more disproportioned destruction by Israeli forces, the more support they will lose from Europe and the U.S. The U.S. will not be able to continue vetoing condemnations by the other UN-countries.
Best thing to do (even according to Israeli former General Van Crefeld) is to give Iran some nukes, then Iran has their insurance against Israel and it will be of no more use to support Hezbollah. After this Iran and Israel can make peace and Syria will do the same.

[PeterV]

2. The bay is surrounded by Egypt, Jordan and Saudia, all are enemies of Iran, and won't allow it to invade.

Guess what these so called enemies of Iran will do if they have to choose between Iran and Israel??

[AL-EH]

The more Isreal gets attacked, the more they are likely to bomb targets in lebannon/syria/iran harder then they get bombed, like in the June war. I think if Hezbollah launches a full scale attack on Israel, civillians in lebannon/syria/iran will be bombed even harder.
Why didn't they attack syria in june?
Guess what these so called enemies of Iran will do if they have to choose between Iran and Israel??
I try so hard to believe this... but it's the gulf we are talking about here... i don't know.
I mean they did chose israel over lebanon.

[PeterV]

I try so hard to believe this... but it's the gulf we are talking about here... i don't know.
I mean they did chose israel over lebanon.

Yes, but i think Lebanon is of no importance to them. Iran is a little bit bigger.....

[Suryoyo]

Syria fought Israel to a draw.

no, a draw would have been the liberation of Golan.

now the israelis could have countinued all the way to Damascus if they wanted to.

[sayenforever]

Yes, but i think Lebanon is of no importance to them. Iran is a little bit bigger.....

That's part of the problem - Iran has become too powerful, and the gulf arabs feel threatened now.

If Iran plays its hand cleverly and puts the arabs at ease (particularly the Dubai-Doha types who have achieved so much growth lately - Doha having good Iran relations and bad Saudi relations) then the gulf arabs will invest in Iran, and vise versa (Rafsanjanee owns DAMAC properties in Dubai).

But I am pessimistic - Iranian government is too dogmatic and aggressive. They make TOO many important errors of judgement. They will eventually alienate the khaleejis and the US will intervene. Just like they alienated many countries who initially supported them. The government can't handle difference of opinion and are too scared of losing their grip on people.

Vis a vis Israel - no one likes Israel, because deep down no one can stomach injustice. But in the end, Israel cannot act independently of the US. If Israel EVER did anything without the US go-ahead, the US would teach them a lesson. Like selling Egypt sophisticated missile technology, or courting Syria, or a thousand other ways.

The damage Israel can inflict is limited to how far the US will let them go, and frankly what bothers sunnis is shia funding for hardline revolutionaries in sunni countries. Iran has supported wahabi factions in the past - while I am a strong supporter of the Iranian people, and see Iranians as my brothers and sisters, their government has to show itself to be more pragmatic and not prone to emotional decisions.

[mango994]

Give me a link that says Israel wanted to nuke Syria.

PeterV, it's not about Iran or Israel, but about regional silence. Egypt, Jordan and Saudia have an interest to keep this region peaceful, and if Israel will get hurt then those countries will get hurt either. I'm not saying they'll fight against Iran, but they won't let it in, for their own interests- not Israel's.