For My Pakistani friends.

[Shapur85]

For Some Reason I feel like no-one is from Pakistan in here. Or they have never been to anywhere other then where they were born.

People Pakistan is created by British from for nations and different races. It holds no bond among other states. Pakistan=Punjab/Sindh. Not Balochistan or NWFP.


You should open you eyes and look for the truth before its tooo late.
And you might save your brothers/father from getting into Pashtunistan only because Pakistan said "THEY BELONG TO PAKISTAN" No We don't, and we never did. We have a flaq, a Flaq we trust have have belives to fight for. Saparation from international map of Pakistan or else........


Maybe you should look at from different views. Think outside the BOX. Why don't we accept the Border, Why do we fight Pakistani Army. Why Punjabis are killed every week and captured for money once ever 2 hours. Why don't we accpet Pakistani laws? Why is our radio stations get shut every year? becuase its anti-Pakistani, last year More then 20 stations or (Or 60 i am not sure) were shut down, Why do our singers always sing about Afghanistan and why havn't we still have not fogetton our culture or least if we were Pakistanis why don't we have one culture? Why we don't Eid with rest of Pakistan and always take with our brothers in Afghans (by international Map Afghanistan). I mean Comon not having Eid is enough for you to understand our differeces. Don't Fool yourselves or other People. Your Governm't is nothing but liars, and always kill innocent people. They are traders.

Thank about these question before you respond.

Look at these Pictures from Hindko to balochis they all support Pashtunistan.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5638/conference056disp640cp7.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3371/conference046disp640cd9.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9392/conference022disp640rb2.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4192/masharinpeshawergu6.jpg

[shasnahn]

it is you who is unaware of Pakistan and makes up "facts" and "history" to support your looney claims. There are separatist parties all over Pakistan, they dont even enjoy 1% support among the public. You can see from the vast crowds in these pictures how much support these types of parties have.

People from FATA stand for elections to Pakistan's parliament, serve in armed forces, work and live all over Pakistan. That is a far more solid indicator of their nationality than when they celebrate "Eid".

[Shapur85]

it is you who is unaware of Pakistan and makes up "facts" and "history" to support your looney claims. There are separatist parties all over Pakistan, they dont even enjoy 1% support among the public. You can see from the vast crowds in these pictures how much support these types of parties have.

People from FATA stand for elections to Pakistan's parliament, serve in armed forces, work and live all over Pakistan. That is a far more solid indicator of their nationality than when they celebrate "Eid".

it is you who is unaware of Pakistan and makes up "facts" and "history" to support your looney claims. There are separatist parties all over Pakistan, they dont even enjoy 1% support among the public. You can see from the vast crowds in these pictures how much support these types of parties have.

what's with you guys i showed you the famous leaders here, do you ever watch Pak-TV its not about people or what's the percentage, Over all Balochis and Pashtuns don't even make 15% of Pakistan. So what's with Percentage? Even if its 00001% they must be given to right to express themselves, if not then where is Islamic nation being? Where is the rights of democracy.

Here is another one i have pictures of people full of streets. How many pictures do you want for ANP? Tell me?

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7940/conference002disp640sc2.jpg

People from FATA stand for elections to Pakistan's parliament, serve in armed forces, work and live all over Pakistan. That is a far more solid indicator of their nationality than when they celebrate "Eid"

Yeah Something Else i noticed You guys think we are part of your anti-Pashtun moving killing our own people??? What makes you guys think that way? What prove do you have some name of Pashtu speaker like zia, or Aouyb Khan who were some mixed Rajput, hindko etc. Body they are not one of us. just with Help of ISI Placing 3 PAshtu speaking beggers into high position does not make them one of us. And What proves do you have other then some "Khani" names (I think india has more people with lastname Khan then Pakistan) Comon bring it on.

That is a far more solid indicator of their nationality than when they celebrate "Eid"[/

Religion first, Pakhtun Second. SO Eid being a religous day of Allah is more important then being a Pakhtuns, and the question of Pakistan is not even considered. So how is it "solid indicator" of NAtionalty of Pakistani being???

Dude nothing is more Important then Islam. So don't even compare your 3 pashtu speaking soldiers who became traders.

[apple_fritta]

guys let's stop crying like lil babies...not an inch of pakistan is going anywhere.

[Shapur85]

guys let's stop crying like lil babies...not an inch of pakistan is going anywhere.

This is the first time a Pakistani thinks land can move or it flys hahhahahhaaha

Yes You are 100% Not an inch is going anywhere. Its going to be there and its going to stay right there. But damn with the name of PAKISTAN. We already have the land We just want the name changed we don't want our land as part of the Pakistani international map. Why is it so hard to understand. NO PAKISTAN.

[Mujahid786]

if "pashtunstan" wants to be inependent they are further dividing the muslim world and soon there will be so many small muslims countries they will fall prey to anti islamic forces.

The theory of divide and conquer people

[Shapur85]

if "pashtunstan" wants to be inependent they are further dividing the muslim world and soon there will be so many small muslims countries they will fall prey to anti islamic forces.

The theory of divide and conquer people

We must seperate first. Its hard for us to discuss this over the net. First the international map must be changed then second PAshtunistan's demands. We can't just say Ok We want PAshtunistan right away and right now. No Its a long process and other thing we don't want war or a civil war and that's what Pakistan, Karzia and USA wants us to do. So that we can be under PAkistani control.

You must study the demands of Pashtuns and its history. Not just the name Pashtunistan. This Pashtunistan has more to offer.

[Amir]

@ Shapur 85


What percentage of people in Pakistan are balouch and Pashtun ?

[lulldapull]

3% Baloch, 8% Pushtun.

And we want to separate from these hindi zaad.:)

[Shapur85]

@ Shapur 85


What percentage of people in Pakistan are balouch and Pashtun ?

Well balochis are mixed with Pashtuns and also with Sindhis but over all there are 5 million balochi speakers only in Balochistan and 3 million Pakhtu speakers, does not include Afghan-refugees.

There are 5 million Pathan/Afghan is both Punjab and sindh mostly in Karachi where its a city of 12 million people, and Islamabad/Rahulbindhi (Does not include Afghan-refugees) that's what i got from our newspaper. I would like to get a site and later try to post you the link.

Over all there are 8% Pashtu speakers in international map of Pakistan but that's coming CIA factbook which is pro-Pakistani. Our percentage is higher, around 11-13% and we diserve to be seperated. If you add balochis its not going to be higher then 15%. Now notice we are all muslims and we count all Pashtu speakers as Pashtun no-matter what race they from. If you talk about real race of Pashtuns then I can't help you with that. Since no-one tells the truth. But according to Afghans its only 6-8 million. But we don't accept that We are higher.

[lulldapull]

There are some tribes of Baloch that have moved to Sind province over the last few centuries and are Sindhi's now.

There are a lot of Pukhtoon illegally living in Balochistan, only around Quetta along with illegal Afghan refugees. The Baloch Govt. is starting to deport these ppl back to their areas and countries, and this job will finish soon.

Balochistan is for Baloch only. No one can come to Balchistan, or the Baloch will kill them.

[Shapur85]

There are some tribes of Baloch that have moved to Sind province over the last few centuries and are Sindhi's now.

There are a lot of Pukhtoon illegally living in Balochistan, only around Quetta along with illegal Afghan refugees. The Baloch Govt. is starting to deport these ppl back to their areas and countries, and this job will finish soon.

Balochistan is for Baloch only. No one can come to Balchistan, or the Baloch will kill them.

There is something Fishy here Are you sure you are a Baloch, Tell Me how much you know about balochistan? just some points. It seems to me that like other pakistanis never been to balochistan. It has been called Balochistan for the first time by the british, just like Pakistan land was taken from everywhere. There was no balochistan before 1800.

[lulldapull]

Heh!:laugh4:

Khana kharab khocha.......baloch are Iranian. We are bilingual and speak both Balochi and Farsi. Our language is very close to Persian. We have been part of Iran since the longest I can remember reading Baloch history. The only significant difference is most Baloch like Kurds are Sunni. Half of Balochistan is still in Iran!

What the hell you talking about?:laugh4:

Btw. The Medes (Kurds) are also Iranic, and are from the same proto-Indo-european language family as Iranian and Baloch. And so are Pukhtoon from the Avestan branch of the same family tree.

Most of Afghanistan and all of Balochistan used to be part of Persian empire for a very long time. ;)

http://www.danshort.com/ie/iesatem_c.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language

[Shapur85]

Heh!:laugh4:

Khana kharab khocha.......baloch are Iranian. We are bilingual and speak both Balochi and Farsi. Our language is very close to Persian. We have been part of Iran since the longest I can remember reading Baloch history. The only significant difference is most Baloch like Kurds are Sunni. Half of Balochistan is still in Iran!

What the hell you talking about?:laugh4:

Btw. The Medes (Kurds) are also Iranic, and are from the same proto-Indo-european language family as Iranian and Baloch. And so are Pukhtoon from the Avestan branch of the same family tree.

Most of Afghanistan and all of Balochistan used to be part of Persian empire for a very long time. ;)

http://www.danshort.com/ie/iesatem_c.shtml

i don't know much all i know is that We are muslims, and long time ago Balochis came from Kurdistan. It seems to me that you are not Balochi. But a Iranian.

And so are Pukhtoon from the Avestan branch of the same family tree.

I don't know and i don't care. All I know is that its very old one of paktu histroian in Kyber TV said they found new evidence of Pakhtu being 6000 years old language. SO that's what i know and i am interested much since now we are muslims we do care but to the level that it does not affect our muslim being. AND what's Avestan? a language older then Pakhtu? maybe i never heard of it.

[Amir]

Khana kharab

Khana ki Kharab shod ? :D

@ Shapur 85

Baluchis are one of the Iranic tribes. Farsi and baluchi are very close.

Pashto is one of the Iranian languages too.

[Shapur85]

Khana ki Kharab shod ? :D

@ Shapur 85

Baluchis are one of the Iranic tribes. Farsi and baluchi are very close.

Pashto is one of the Iranian languages too.

Pashto is one of the Iranian languages too

This is the first time someone is telling me this, and you what i am really not interested in who are iranians, what's iranian, what's persian or what's kurdish. I have never tryed since i am into all. There are so many stuffs to very about, and iranianians should also hold on to eachother because they can be attacked from anywhere. And as an Muslim being i want them to be in peace and all muslim nations should becareful that Kurfar are playing game and trying to kill people and take land from others, like Pakistan, Israel, USA, french, Russia, and others.

Baluchis are one of the Iranic tribes. Farsi and baluchi are very close.

There are very few balochi words i know but when i hear it also i can understand sometimes but not all the time. They might be one langauge i really don't know how close they are.

[Shapur85]

Most of Afghanistan and all of Balochistan used to be part of Persian empire for a very long time

Again this is all knew i know that we were one before Islam not all of iran but some eastern parts. And balochistan was always part of Pashtuns so i don't know people say different things and i am not into histroy, as much as i am in politics.

[apple_fritta]

the name PAKISTAN isnt going anywhere. No matter how much u scream, cry and or suicide bomb, the name isn't going any where.

Shapur your response to my post was very immature. When u start a thread be serious about it.

I dont see why this shapur kid wants it changed, PAKISTAN is such a beautiful name which means pure land. By changing it your just gonna be causing more internal tension.

Pshtunes, baloch, sindhi, punjabi, kashmiri and muhajirs of Pakistan are brothers and should be united under the pure flag of the pure land (pakistan).

[lulldapull]

Khana ki Kharab shod ? :D

@ Shapur 85

Baluchis are one of the Iranic tribes. Farsi and baluchi are very close.

Pashto is one of the Iranian languages too.

:laugh4: ...En adam-e-pukhtoon (khar maghz/ khochee pukhtoon):laugh4: megae keh khana kharab-e-shoma agar keh (If you disagree with me):laugh4:

Auraay Khaeli befarhang am en zaboon-e pashtu!:laugh4:

Anyway...mr. Shahpur...to be very honest in ancient Iranian history........Did you know that the story of Rostam was in Balochistan, and he was Baloch? Also if you hear Afghan (Kabuli) its called (Dari) Farsi....and its old Persian, and Afghani speak it! I am sure you can understand some of it.

[Amir]

:laugh4: ...En adam-e-pukhtoon (khochee pukhtoon):laugh4: megae keh khana kharab-e-shoma agar keh (If you disagree with me):laugh4:

Auraay Khaeli befarhang am en zaboon-e pashtu!:laugh4:

unfortunately, that's true :laugh4: ( Makhsousan Taleb ha )

I heard that many Pashtuns in Qandehar are Shias. Is it true ?

[lulldapull]

Again this is all knew i know that we were one before Islam not all of iran but some eastern parts. And balochistan was always part of Pashtuns so i don't know people say different things and i am not into histroy, as much as i am in politics.

May be you should read your history......;)

Balochistan was always part of Iran.....Just like Afghanistan, Azerbaijan and Kurdistan. That's why these ppl are called Iranic. Even as far away as Tajikistan, they speak Farsi, and are Iranian ppl.

[Shapur85]

unfortunately, that's true :laugh4: ( Makhsousan Taleb ha )

I heard that many Pashtuns in Qandehar are Shias. Is it true ?


I don't know much about Kandaher other then we are just brothers. Shia or sunni is all same we are all muslim brothers and sisters. i think afghan does have some percentage of shia i am assuming all of them are hazara, but not our hazaras. We have hazaras in pashtunistan too, they are very good people and most of them are Sunnis but also some hazara from Afghanistan. The famous urdo singer Fatha Ali Khan was an Hazara.

[apple_fritta]

can we just stop crying about silly little names? and get on with our lives please...shapur.

[Shapur85]

:laugh4: ...En adam-e-pukhtoon (khar maghz/ khochee pukhtoon):laugh4: megae keh khana kharab-e-shoma agar keh (If you disagree with me):laugh4:

Auraay Khaeli befarhang am en zaboon-e pashtu!:laugh4:

Anyway...mr. Shahpur...to be very honest in ancient Iranian history........Did you know that the story of Rostam was in Balochistan, and he was Baloch? Also if you hear Afghan (Kabuli) its called (Dari) Farsi....and its old Persian, and Afghani speak it! I am sure you can understand some of it.

Anyway...mr. Shahpur...to be very honest in ancient Iranian history........Did you know that the story of Rostam was in Balochistan, and he was Baloch?

sorry friend i don't know anything about Rostam. But i know its a pakhtun name spelled with Rusthuman, i had a friend named Rusthuman Khan who was my village. sorry i don't know the story what is it about.

Also if you hear Afghan (Kabuli) its called (Dari) Farsi....and its old Persian, and Afghani speak it! I am sure you can understand some of it

yes i can understand since it has pakhtu words but not that much if they talk i might, and i can't respond, but it has to be 100% Dari.

[Amir]

I don't know much about Kandaher other then we are just brothers. Shia or sunni is all same we are all muslim brothers and sisters. i think afghan does have some percentage of shia i am assuming all of them are hazara, but not our hazaras. We have hazaras in pashtunistan too, they are very good people and most of them are Sunnis but also some hazara from Afghanistan. The famous urdo singer Fatha Ali Khan was an Hazara.

So you are saying that Pakhtoons of pakistan want indpendence from Pakistan and become part of Afghanistan. Right ?

[Shapur85]

May be you should read your history......;)

Balochistan was always part of Iran.....Just like Afghanistan, Azerbaijan and Kurdistan. That's why these ppl are called Iranic. Even as far away as Tajikistan, they speak Farsi, and are Iranian ppl.



Sorry I don't really have interest or care about what happen before Islam. All I know is that Afghanistan a strong Empire and had the most vast land, all the countries you mentioned is included in pakhtu history, but we don't learn alot we just know basics.

[shasnahn]

ANP is not a separatist party, and I saw Mahmood Khan Ackhakzai in those pictures, he is not a separatist either.

Certainly 0.0001% of people in Pakistan wish to separate. That also means they are going nowhere.

Since you also raise Islam, there is no talk of separatism in the "separate Eids". If Pakistan didnt have so many hungry and illiterate mullahs, we would have one Eid.

[Shapur85]

So you are saying that Pakhtoons of pakistan want indpendence from Pakistan and become part of Afghanistan. Right ?

Everything once at a time. Afghanistan has their own problems. They want as as much as we want them, we the people and they like us, but we don't like their government since they did not help as much as they should of. Second if we say we want to be part of Afghanistan don't you think its a bit silly to join with a country which is controlled by America, then how is it different from Pakistan? yes there are some big tribe of our tribe who wants to join afghanistan, but not all. We only want seperation at this time. And if Afghanistan wants us they must sacrifice and show their support. and 3rd We would not join them until America leaves.

And if you ask our elders they don't care about they would just say "We were always one nation" and when tell them that our map is part of Pakistan they say "SO what this is what the world wants to believe no-one until this has able to seperate us" SO that's our elders they don't care about Politics or a name just Islam and unity.

[shasnahn]

Everything once at a time. Afghanistan has their own problems. They want as as much as we want them, we the people and they like us, but we don't like their government since they did not help as much as they should of. Second if we say we want to be part of Afghanistan don't you think its a bit silly to join with a country which is controlled by America, then how is it different from Pakistan? yes there are some big tribe of our tribe who wants to join afghanistan, but not all. We only want seperation at this time. And if Afghanistan wants us they must sacrifice and show their support. and 3rd We would not join them until America leaves.

And if you ask our elders they don't care about they would just say "We were always one nation" and when tell them that our map is part of Pakistan they say "SO what this is what the world wants to believe no-one until this has able to seperate us" SO that's our elders they don't care about Politics or a name just Islam and unity.

Correction, "you" want separation from Pakistan. Not Pakhtuns and certainly not Pakhtun tribals. You are also welcome to leave Pakistan and move to Antartica where you can found your "Pashtunistan" and its citizens can be some penguins and polar bears.

Aint no Pashtunistan coming out of Pakistan.

[Shapur85]

ANP is not a separatist party, and I saw Mahmood Khan Ackhakzai in those pictures, he is not a separatist either.

Certainly 0.0001% of people in Pakistan wish to separate. That also means they are going nowhere.

Since you also raise Islam, there is no talk of separatism in the "separate Eids". If Pakistan didnt have so many hungry and illiterate mullahs, we would have one Eid.

Since you also raise Islam, there is no talk of separatism in the "separate Eids". If Pakistan didnt have so many hungry and illiterate mullahs, we would have one Eid
What are you talking about Mullahs are the richist or all. SO what are you saying. All Mullahs are illiterate ? another move, you would never win. You want to prove you nationalist point over religion. I pary that may Allah open your eyes so that you see the truth that Pakistan is a dirty nation and that's why they act like kufar and take eid seperate from other muslim around the world.

[Shapur85]

Correction, "you" want separation from Pakistan. Not Pakhtuns and certainly not Pakhtun tribals. You are also welcome to leave Pakistan and move to Antartica where you can found your "Pashtunistan" and its citizens can be some penguins and polar bears.

Aint no Pashtunistan coming out of Pakistan.

My punjabi friend open your eyes. Your Ideal Nationisam brain has taken you very far i bit you don't even pary. And don't even know what Islam means. Shame on you.

[shasnahn]

my lunatic friend please shut up and stop wasting your time on the fruitless venture for your fantasy of "Pashtunistan".

Pakistan ka matlab kya! la illaha illal lah.

[perisan_eagle]

Listen people in reality both Lull and sharpur bhai are 50 year old jockies, that know nothing but getting deported out of various forums (at least lulli) :laugh4:

Lull claims to be pakistani but the truth is he is a iranian baluch! But seems to be obssessed with calling himself pakistani for some reason :roflmao3:

Sharpur is a afghan he has NO saying for Pakistan or the pashtun people living in pakistan, But still I respect him since he also says this in the name of islam. But still the truth remains that millions of pushtuns go to pakistan every year, this shows that they love pakistan and want a greater pakistan not the opposite. Most of the pushtuns in the world (70%) live in Pakistan, and trust me all of them will be willing to die if the afghan or any foreign flag is raised on Pakistani soil...

[Amir]

my lunatic friend please shut up and stop wasting your time on the fruitless venture for your fantasy of "Pashtunistan".

Pakistan ka matlab kya! la illaha illal lah.

If you believe in this la illaha illal lah then you cannot call a muslim, "lunatic and tell him to shut up" just because he doesn't share the same political view as you do

[not-now]

pashtunistan would be the biggest mistake since partition it will achieve nothing just what we need another smaller,weaker muslim state and possibly conflict.You talk about islam so much then you would know the prophet was against nationalism so it shouldn't matter what country your part of be it pakistan,afghanistan or pukhtoonistan your all the same-muslims .Stop this ridiculous talk there will be no more divisions .This is exactly why the muslim world is so messed up instead of striving for unity you strive for the opposite-seperatism.

[apple_fritta]

i agree not-now. Muslims have been provided with all the resources through the abundance of so much oil. Wasted potential through nationalist attitude by EVERYONE.

[Shapur85]

pashtunistan would be the biggest mistake since partition it will achieve nothing just what we need another smaller,weaker muslim state and possibly conflict.You talk about islam so much then you would know the prophet was against nationalism so it shouldn't matter what country your part of be it pakistan,afghanistan or pukhtoonistan your all the same-muslims .Stop this ridiculous talk there will be no more divisions .This is exactly why the muslim world is so messed up instead of striving for unity you strive for the opposite-seperatism.

pashtunistan would be the biggest mistake since partition it will achieve nothing just what we need another smaller,weaker muslim state and possibly conflict.You talk about islam so much then you would know the prophet was against nationalism

The Prophet against Nationalism indeed he was, But why are you going there all of your Punjabi friends are nationalist, they don't let us control or at least let us control our own nation, and here you are talking about how mohammad was against nationalism. Remember Bacha Khan, and Iqbal, and Al-Afghani, they all wanted what Mohammad was saying, Be united be as one but no-one listens Egypt wanted their nation Soudis became nationalist and asked for their nation, and same with African nations, Indian muslim asked for their independance (We helped them on that one back in 1920-1940)

So what unity are you talking about?


Stop this ridiculous talk there will be no more divisions .This is exactly why the muslim world is so messed up instead of striving for unity you strive for the opposite-seperatism

So you being the ruler and giving us no right and when we ask for our rights, you say we are the minorities. And now its ridiculous becuase we are asking for our unity and our nationalism. How is that fare to Islam. Why should you have your Nationalism and be a nationalist and I don't? Why should we sacrifice our land, our wants and needs only for you nation and your wants and needs for your nation? All You Punjabis do is use our land our resources and what do we get? nothing You say we were part of Pakistan, how are we part of PAkistan when your cities like Karachi, Hyderabad, Lahore, Fizaibad, Islamabad looks like mini America and our cities look like garbage, not different from poor cities of Afghanistan or Somalia, Even Kabul, Kandahar looks better after 20 years of war (that's why our singers/poets only sing about those cities)

Speaking about Poets/singer name me one writer/singer Pakhtun from (NWFP/Balochistan) who sings about Islamabad, Lahore or Karachi? name me one who talks about "THE GREAT PAKISTAN" Or about the Pakistani Army?

[Shapur85]

If you believe in this then you cannot call a muslim, "lunatic and tell him to shut up" just because he doesn't share the same political view as you do

I don't think he should of been banned, cuase i want him to understand us, and know us better. To ban him is like iqnoring him, and i can't iqnore someone who calls my people a Pakistani. I can accpet any names he wants to call me, since that's what Punjabis call Pakhtuns, after all we are the minorities, and our rights have been taken.

We don't want war, but we want to understand that we are not what they have been told to call us, (A Pakistani) he needs to understand that we were never given to chose where we wanted to be. And that's we don't call ourselves a Pakistani and we don't accept their borders. If their Government calls for voting then everything would be in peace, his misunderstanding of PAkhtuns wanna be part of PAkistan would vanished. There wouldn't be news from Afghanistan, Indian or PAkistan talking about Durand Line etc etc. We like Punjabi people, we growup with them, we watch their TVs, and their programs and even visit their great cities like Fazial Masque, and Lohore etc etc so there is this muslim brotherhood love, but we don't like their government.

[Shapur85]

Listen people in reality both Lull and sharpur bhai are 50 year old jockies, that know nothing but getting deported out of various forums (at least lulli) :laugh4:

Lull claims to be pakistani but the truth is he is a iranian baluch! But seems to be obssessed with calling himself pakistani for some reason :roflmao3:

Sharpur is a afghan he has NO saying for Pakistan or the pashtun people living in pakistan, But still I respect him since he also says this in the name of islam. But still the truth remains that millions of pushtuns go to pakistan every year, this shows that they love pakistan and want a greater pakistan not the opposite. Most of the pushtuns in the world (70%) live in Pakistan, and trust me all of them will be willing to die if the afghan or any foreign flag is raised on Pakistani soil...

Its punjabis like you who wants to not just distory Pakhtuns but also distroy Punjab and sindh, all you are saying is non-sense.

Sharpur is a afghan he has NO saying for Pakistan or the pashtun people living in pakistan,

I would prefer to be called Afghan since there is a sense of pride, all Pakhtun race belongs to Afghan but because of current Afghanistan Government i would prefer to refer to what langauge i speak, Pakhtu, and Iam Pakhtun.

Most of the pushtuns in the world (70%) live in Pakistan,

I don't know if its true it looks very high, I thought we lost our Pashtu langauge but Thank you.

and trust me all of them will be willing to die if the afghan or any foreign flag is raised on Pakistani soil

hahaha ok thanks for prising but nope our live is more important then this non-sense name PAkistan, i would be ready to die for Afghanistan like we did during Russian invasion. But not for Pakistan or India.

Maybe you should watch Kyber TV once in a while. Kyber TV is provided by the Government of Pakistan after our elders said TVs should be banned since its all Pakistani urdo channels. So the government was nice to provide this single station for all Pakhtuns. Most of their dramas are in urdo but once in awhile there is some Pakhtu singing or pakhtu movie, or Pakistani translated Movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae_Acv0OV7U

Or maybe you would even call my favorite singer Rahim Shah who sings mostly about Afghanistan, even thought worked with many Punjabis and being pro-pakistani (since he knows urdo just like me but also sings for Punjabis) he would never forget the name Afghan.

SO what do you feel if he says Afghanistan Zendabad, yes the same Afghanistan who voted against creation of Pakistan and then send their tribes to kill this name and this nation making the 3rd Anglo war (Which was stopped by our great educated leader Bacha Khan the father of Pashtunistan) and then in 1955 jigra from all tribes refused to recordize Pakistan. Just like Palestin/Israel where we see Palestinian leaders talking with Israeli leaders yet refused to recordnize Israel.
But Israel is there, so don't the people wants to distroy it who are under pressure?? offcourse they do.

( Maybe i should show you a nice video so that you know what i am talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKwcZpS6ZoU&mode=related&search= )

So why is it hard for you to understand that we Pakhtuns would like to see Pakistan distroyed (Not the People we like the people, we are muslim brothers with Punjabies) not you believe "all of them will be willing to die if the afghan or any foreign flag is raised on Pakistani soil" Doesn't that make you feel that you had said something that does not make any sense, "Pakhtun would die if the afghan is Pakistani soil" which means we are against Afghans, yes we are against Afghanistan (Government) but not the people, and not against their flaq which holds NWFP symbol (Look the mosque looking buliding) and if you ever entered Peshawar there is a major check point under that building looks like a Gate, yes that's the Gate of Pakhtun land, and was created long time ago. SO why against the people and their flaq?

[shasnahn1]

Pakhtuns in Pakistan are interested in improving the country, not separatism. Folks like Shahpur have to work extra-hard for nothing.

[Shapur85]

Pakhtuns in Pakistan are interested in improving the country, not separatism. Folks like Shahpur have to work extra-hard for nothing.

You are iqnoring facts.

we don't accept the borders, we don't get involved in politics thanks to Wali Khan we atleast have ANP.

we support taliban.

we like Afghans.

we never called ourselves pakistani.

And we don't like any Pakistani rule in our areas.


What more do you need. prove you words LOL your banned but i know you many accounts and you can another if you want.

[unre4l]

When you say "We", you only mean yourself, because you are certainly not speaking for the Pashtun people.

Why do you like Afghans? What have they done for the Pakistani Pashtun people, except for enjoying their hospitality and getting our soldiers killed defending them?

Pashtuns accepted the border in 1947 AND THEY STILL ACCEPT THE BORDER.

Some Afghans complaining on their "brothers" behalf is not going to change anything.
You should really find out who your REAL Brothers are. And its not the Afghans.

[Shapur85]

When you say "We", you only mean yourself, because you are certainly not speaking for the Pashtun people.

Why do you like Afghans? What have they done for the Pakistani Pashtun people, except for enjoying their hospitality and getting our soldiers killed defending them?

Pashtuns accepted the border in 1947 AND THEY STILL ACCEPT THE BORDER.

Some Afghans complaining on their "brothers" behalf is not going to change anything.
You should really find out who your REAL Brothers are. And its not the Afghans.

When you say "We", you only mean yourself, because you are certainly not speaking for the Pashtun people.

No i say we for the whole population of Pakhtuns.

Why do you like Afghans?

Why do you like your Punjabis. hahah its a funny question.

What have they done for the Pakistani Pashtun people
First of all we are not Pakistani, if you refering to the international map then yes. Try to answer this question What did Afghanistan done for Raheem Shah and all of our poets who only sing about Afghanistan? i still don't know myself so please don't ask me this question take it as brotherhood and one strong race bond.

except for enjoying their hospitality and getting our soldiers killed defending them?

Defending them? you mean Pakistan defending Afghanistan? SOOO you guys are backstabing us to defend them. hahahha friend do you know what you are saying.
We fought with Pakistan we killed PAkistanis and they accept the loss and paid our tribes and killed some to buy us (OR make a peacedeal) right!

Pashtuns accepted the border in 1947 AND THEY STILL ACCEPT THE BORDER.

there is no prove in this for that manner. We did not voted and that's according to all pakhtuns who said we were never ask regarding joining pakistan. But it was forced on us by islam. But you have any prove then please. but i know ISI can makeup anything. but still do you have any prove. Or you want me to present bacha khan again.

Some Afghans complaining on their "brothers" behalf is not going to change anything.
You should really find out who your REAL Brothers are. And its not the Afghans

We trust no-one but Allah. Afghanistan is under US control and they have no right to talk to us unless US leaves. And same with Pakistan getting billions of American money every year to fight and kill our people.

And if comes to brotherhood like real feelings based on culture, race, religion,laws,language,history, what you think if you had to pick a side a pakhtun and a punjabi, who would you be a good friend to? your own punjabi who speaks your langauge, you guys have the same triditions, understands your cultures, belongs to your race/ethnic, and the same religion as your. Or to a Pakhtun with whom you only share Religion and he might be able to speak your langauge with different accent but you can still understand him.

SO answer that question to yourself. I don't want the answer. I don't want to be evil and bring out real of me and answer it right away but you should understand better. Questions like these can be answered very easily. You should think about before asking.

[AL-EH]

guys let's stop crying like lil babies...not an inch of pakistan is going anywhere.

This is the first time a Pakistani thinks land can move or it flys hahhahahhaaha

Yes You are 100% Not an inch is going anywhere. Its going to be there and its going to stay right there. But damn with the name of PAKISTAN. We already have the land We just want the name changed we don't want our land as part of the Pakistani international map. Why is it so hard to understand. NO PAKISTAN.

well... uuh when land changes countries it has moved... ask yourself where is the land ***istan or pakistan? two diffrent places.

[Shapur85]

well... uuh when land changes countries it has moved... ask yourself where is the land ***istan or pakistan? two diffrent places.
who are you aiming at?

[AL-EH]

who are you aiming at?

...you......

[apple_fritta]

This is the first time a Pakistani thinks land can move or it flys hahhahahhaaha

Yes You are 100% Not an inch is going anywhere. Its going to be there and its going to stay right there. But damn with the name of PAKISTAN. We already have the land We just want the name changed we don't want our land as part of the Pakistani international map. Why is it so hard to understand. NO PAKISTAN.

your not gona get any land with that kinda language little boy. Study hard, concentrate on school you have to become rich and famous and do your parents proud. :laugh4:

GO STUDY.

[Black_zero]

i was meet with a Balochi .. on Paltalk.
he was saying our history meet to "kurd" peopls
then i go to Kurd room and ask them that Is Balochi peopls belong from Kurd histroy.. beacsue my balochi brother saying that we belong from kurd
kurds give me reply lik this
" i think your balochi friend drink Cheap bear " LOL
hey Shapur85.
do u know how many ppls come back to balochistan from the other areas of pakistan ?
60,000 ppls come back to balochistan. beacsue there security forces (FC) protecting ppls from "Sardars" brutality.
main probelm of Balochi ppls is Education. and your two or three sardar dont want that Balochi ppls become Educated.Beacuse If balochi ppls become educated in balochistan then Sardar system will be finish.
Govt making Hospitals ,schools,college,Dams,roads,Telecom infrastructure..and ur one sardar was hitting these projects with Rockets.
See now where is Akber bugti (terrorist) gone. he is in hell.. and angels beating him on his sins.
Pashtuns never support the Balchi saradars.!

[kasaeed1]

Oye Mundio ...... stop it dude .

Mr. Modreator close this thread

[Black_zero]

QUETTA: Nawab Akbar Bugti had been maintaining two private jails in Dera Bugti, chief of Massori clan Ghulam Qadir Bugti told a press conference here Monday.

There were two prisons, one for commoners and the other for tribal influential, he said.

Ghulam Qadir Bugti said; 164 of his men and around 70 others were held in illegal detention in the private prison, adding that these prisoners were released on March-17 during clashes in the area.

He said he and his elder brother, who had been under detention in one of the private prisons, fled Dera Bugti when the area was being evacuated last week on the order of Nawab Bugti.

Backdrop

The Massori clan chief said some detainees in the private jails were punished with a leather swipe for viloating the rules imposed by the prison runners.

He said the residents of Bekar Union Council, Dera Bugti were treated with cruelty after armed clashes with Nawab Akbar Bugti men over holding of a medical camp.

Ghulam Qadir Bugti, a former member of Majlis-e-Shoora said.

Introducing himself to local and foreign media, he said he escaped from the captivity of Nawab Akbar Bugti on March-19 as Nawab’s men left Dera Bugti town.

“I have been actively involved in social and development work in Bekar Union Council and adjoining areas for the last twenty years and was facing the Nawab on political front,” he said.

Details of Ordeal

Giving the details of ordeal faced by his clans men, he said that in the third week of November 2004, a medical camp for the benefit of people of the remote area was planned and when doctors and other staff necessary for manning free medical camp reached near Farari camp, the convoy was stopped by the Bugtis who refused to allow entry to the convoy including security personnel.

The situation developed into an armed clash. The area echoed with gun fire all the night of Nov-21. We tried to convince Bugtis that medical camp was aimed at benefiting the poor people and why this attitude was being adopted instead of welcoming the guests who are coming to serve the common people.

The Bugtis resorted to heavy rocket fire and we have no chance but to retaliate.

After two days of fighting we weighed our options and decided to resolve the issue through local tradition of “Meerah” . Nawab Bugti agreed to Meerah and sent vehicle so that we could reach him, he said. Upon reaching Dera Bugti we were taken into custody while 164 men of our clan were kept in another fort of Bugtis, said Ghulam Qadir Bugti.

“We were forced to pay fine to Nawab Bugti not in cash but in kind and were asked to deposit 84 Kalashnikovs, 84 boxes of rounds, 50 rocket propelled grenades, and five rocket launchers, he told the press conference.

While in custody we came to know that people of Bekar were treated in a very harsh manner. He said Bugti tribesmen torched the houses of his clan (Massori), misbehaved with inmates, and looted livestock. Bugtis have looted our tractors, set standing crops afire. The women and children were forced to leave their hearth and homes at night in worst ever weather conditions, he said.

The elderly and pious people who made attempts to solve the dispute were also maltreated. Their beards, heads, eyebrows and moustaches, symbol of Balochi pride were shaved off. His entire clan numbering hundreds living within limits of Bekar Town was subjected to all types of torture besides inflicting financial losses.

Claiming to be a member of PPP he said that on fateful day of March-17 last, he and his elder brother Wadera Ali Muhammad were in the cell of Nawab Bugti’s jail when heavy gunfire rattled the area.

Later, Bugtis asked us to shift to other place, which we refused. By late night we were again asked by elderly Bugtis to shift to a safe place. We were then shifted to another fort from where we escaped by breaking the back door.

“We got ourselves mixed with Bugtis who were leaving Dera Bugti town on orders of Nawab Akbar Bugti,” he said. After fleeing the area we rushed to Quetta to save our lives and to seek protection from the authorities. We walked, took lift and reached Quetta via Lahri, he said denying that he was shifted to Quetta in a helicopter.

The sole Ruler

Responding to questions, he said that there is no writ of governments in Dera Bugti and Nawab Bugti is the sole ruler. The government’s writ is limited only to the use of currency notes, he elaborated adding that the writ of the government needs to be established in the area.

To a question he said that Nawab Bugti is a well educated person who throughout his life demanded democracy but in fact he was never ready to give rights to his own people.

People were even not allowed to seek legal cover, lodge FIR as Nawab Sahib used to impose a fine of rupees 10000 if a person lodges one, he said.

Replying to yet another question he said that his Massori clan took up arms when they were attacked by Bugtis in last November.

Nawab Akbar Bugti wants to maintain status quo, continuation of Sardari system and to keep people terrorized with heavy weaponry accumulated over the years from foreign sources, he said when asked that why Nawab Akbar Bugti was not responding to efforts for peaceful solution of problem.●







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but now ..the situation is clear..

[Kashif Iqbal Uppal]

You are totally wrong in saying that celebrating Eid indicates something. There were three different days for Eid-ul-Fitr celebrated all over Punjab also. (2 in Lahore,2 in Faisalabad,2 in Sargodha,2 in Islamabad/Rawalpindi ,and also in Multan).If your formula is correct then there should be Lahoristan, Sarghodistan etc. also.

[kasaeed1]

Hey ppl just shut up and forget him

[shasnahn]

Pakistani Pakhtuns are loyal and beneficial Pakistanis.

Shahpur's mutterings are that of an Afghan nationalist disguised as a FATA tribal.