Seljuq and ghaznavid turks - Great adopters of persian language and culture

[max]

• 977–1186 The Ghaznavids, a dynasty of Turkic origin from the steppes of Central Asia, rule in modern-day Afghanistan and Pakistan. Although ethnic Turks, the Ghaznavids speak Persian and, through their patronage, help establish modern Persian as a cultural language. The most important ruler of the dynasty is Mahmud (r. 997–1030), whose illustrious reign as a prince-patron of Persian-Islamic culture becomes a model for later Islamic powers, many of which are also led by Turkic or Mongol elite military castes.

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/07/nc/ht07nc.htm

• In the 10th century the Seljuqs migrated from their ancestral homelands into mainland Persia, in the province of Khurasan, where they adopted the Persian culture and language in the following decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuq_dynasty

[Kardash]

Also add the babur dynasty, Ottoman empire to that list. Ottomans used persian words that even Persians self didnt used, like the words "abdest" (wukuh), "namaz" (salaa).

Turkic people allways choosed Persian above Arabic, there might be a reason behind it...

[payam]

Anyway they are iranian dynasts......
some are trying to show turks as forigner but its impossible
in some parts of iran we still have turks with saljuk kind of turkish(language):)
the childrens of saljuks are here:)what u people trying to say:)

[dogukan]

Anyway they are iranian dynasts......
some are trying to show turks as forigner but its impossible
in some parts of iran we still have turks with saljuk kind of turkish(language):)
the childrens of saljuks are here:)what u people trying to say:)

:tired1_24: :tired1_24: :tired1_24:
They were Turkish,they were Turkic,they were not Iranian nor :tired1_24: Turkey
Do you understand????They were Turk NOT Iranian,not Turkeyman(Ottomanish in your head LOL)
Is it that hard to understand this?

[payam]

They were?????im telling u we still have saljuks in iran....what do u mean they were?

[dogukan]

They were?????im telling u we still have saljuks in iran....what do u mean they were?

There are still Tatars in Russia is there a Golden Horde???
I'm saying Seljuks are Turkish,not from Turkey and not Iranian
They were a Turkish dynasty not Iranian.Not a Turkey dynasty!!Turkish dynasty,you need a brain to seperate these
Hope you'll be able to some day

[payam]

so if they are not for tukey or iran.....so they are the space's dynasty??lol

[dogukan]

so if they are not for tukey or iran.....so they are the space's dynasty??lol

They are Turkish so they're for Turks on this earth :tired1_24: :tired1_24:

[payam]

so the ottoman empire is for turks in this earth???!!!!

[dogukan]

so the ottoman empire is for turks in this earth???!!!!

well it was founded by Turks and it was a Turkic empire containing many other cultures in it
So yes it is for all Turks on earth,same for you,it is for you if you're a Turk.It is not for Persians

[payam]

lol.........
so safavids dynast is for all turks???

[payam]

So see:)saljuks are for all...but the owner of it are the children of it ...which are here...

[dogukan]

So see:)saljuks are for all...but the owner of it are the children of it ...which are here...

oh yeah?There are Seljuks in here too just he flag on them changed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_Seljuks

[payam]

so by then the story is diffrent...:)
thanks for the links
(but ofcource saljuks are in central asia too:D)lol
ok accepted this fact

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oh yeah?There are Seljuks in here too just he flag on them changed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_Seljuks

This article or section does not adequately cite its references or sources.

[payam]

This article or section does not adequately cite its references or sources.

True it has just some names.....yes saljuks were nearly in many parts of this region....but now in iran u can find thier childrents........also this is just 1 of the facts...cultural fact is another one

[dogukan]

This article or section does not adequately cite its references or sources.

it is because Persian want to change them all the time not that it's wrong
Seljuks were founded by a Turkic leader,Selçuk bey and it grew into an empire later
But Mongols were coming,after defeating Harzhemshahs(Perso-Turkic) they defeated Seljuks and caused them to dissolve
Then there were many Seljuk states like ANATOLIAN Seljuks,Kirman Seljuks,Syrian Seljuks and a couple more.One of them was Iran
Ottomans came to power with the support of Anatolian Seljuks.Actually Anatolian Seljuks were founded by Great Seljuk empire.It was a free state in Seljuk empire

[payam]

it is because Persian want to change them all the time not that it's wrong
Seljuks were founded by a Turkic leader,Selçuk bey and it grew into an empire later
But Mongols were coming,after defeating Harzhemshahs(Perso-Turkic) they defeated Seljuks and caused them to dissolve
Then there were many Seljuk states like ANATOLIAN Seljuks,Kirman Seljuks,Syrian Seljuks and a couple more.One of them was Iran
Ottomans came to power with the support of Anatolian Seljuks.Actually Anatolian Seljuks were founded by Great Seljuk empire.It was a free state in Seljuk empire

well thanks for info
pan turk and pan fars are some lies....but u can learn things of each other of them...cuase at last in each of them they are some realities...and if u know them all,u can take a balance...which is reality

[Kardash]

Anyway they are iranian dynasts......
some are trying to show turks as forigner but its impossible
in some parts of iran we still have turks with saljuk kind of turkish(language):)
the childrens of saljuks are here:)what u people trying to say:)
You mean Oghuz branch of Turkic languages? The Anatolian, Balkan (including greece), Crimean, Khorazmian (in uzbekistan) and Gagauz Turkish are of Western Oghuz branch.

Payam arent those Turkish people in Iran who speak "Seljuk kind of Turkish" affshar people?

[kaiser_tr]

actually many seljuqs migrated to anatolia after the battle of manzikert.and this led to anatolian seljuqs and later after the mongol invasion led to ottoman empire...ottomans didnt founded by aliens.

[payam]

Payam arent those Turkish people in Iran who speak "Seljuk kind of Turkish" affshar people?

No they are not...anyway its natural saljuks be all over ....:) .
anyway for me saljuk is a turkish dynast...this is the important part...my fore fasthers dynast....all turkish dynast are like this to me...and im proud of them