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the normal mig29 but they want to upgrade them into mig29s
wow jas 39 gripen very nice bro well lets face it bro serbia is dieing out with their military while Croatia and Albania just started :D
i think we can also get several sub marines from Turkey
Germania
10-18-2007, 10:18 AM
The two most talked about competitors are F-16 and Saab Gripen multirole jets. In case Croatia buys F-16s, they will probably be second-hand (Block 50/52) with the aim of getting new F-35 Lightning sometimes after 2018/2020[citation needed]. In case the decision falls on the Gripen, they will be newly built C/D or E/F samples if they enter production by this time. The final numbers vary from 12 to 15 aircraft. It has to be mentioned that MiG-35, Eurofighter and Dassault Mirage 2000 have not yet been officially rejected but are not likely to be selected. This is due to the fact that MiG-35 and Eurofighter are two engined aircraft which means they are expensive to operate, MiG is also of a Russian origin and thus not a favourable choice. New Mirages are not an option because production switched to Dassault Rafale although used ones might still have a chance. Furthermore, many analysts believe that if Croatian economy continues to grow, that the final number of new fighters may reach 2 squadrons or 24 units around 2020.
Germania
10-18-2007, 10:19 AM
wow if they get F-16 they might get F-35 lightning in 2020!! thats 12 years away!!!
btw they cost heaps!!
wow if they get F-16 they might get F-35 lightning in 2020!! thats 12 years away!!!
damn 12 years thats an long time bro but i truely hope you guys will get them :biggrin1: we still dont know what tanks Albania will buy :(
Germania
10-18-2007, 10:32 AM
not really time passes really fast.
hmm 12 years seems an long time but i guess your right it will pass very fast
Relikt
10-18-2007, 06:24 PM
Many BS on this thread I must say. Post some links when you talk about new weapons please.
P.S. JAS-39 isnt some excellent plane. It is cheap for maintain and it is its best attribute.
Gon4z
10-18-2007, 08:31 PM
nah no way Serbia mig 29 can match the f16i never unless it 5 mig vs 1 f16 maybe then they would win
They could bro, the MIG-29 is a very good jet but it depends on which variant of course if you put a Mig-29B against a F-16C then the F-16 is more likely to win but if you but a Mig-29S against a F-16A then the Mig is more likely to win, it also depends of the pilots...etc it isn't that straight forward.
Gon4z
10-18-2007, 08:35 PM
P.S. JAS-39 isnt some excellent plane. It is cheap for maintain and it is its best attribute.
A JAS-39 costs around $50 million per unit and now lets consider what the engines training equipement and other maintaining costs are...etc its very expensive I find it funny how it says in wikipeida taht Serbia is paling to buy 20 of them..... hehehhe thats way over $1 billion your budged wont ever cover that purchase not in the next 20 years.
Germania
10-18-2007, 08:47 PM
Many BS on this thread I must say. Post some links when you talk about new weapons please.
P.S. JAS-39 isnt some excellent plane. It is cheap for maintain and it is its best attribute.
lol you are so jealous. Gripen is so much better than mig 29.
Gon4z
10-18-2007, 11:08 PM
lol you are so jealous. Gripen is so much better than mig 29.
I wouldn't say that the MIG-29 is a very good jet yes the Grippen is better than Serbia's Mig-29S, bit gripens can never be compared to MiG-29SMT which is an outstanding jet, and lets not even mention the Mikoyan MiG-35, I would want Albania to rather get the latest Mig-29's than grippens.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Bottom_OLS.jpg
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Maks2005/Highlights/Mig29M2From230.jpg
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/visits2-pages/moscow_2005_files/day_04_36.jpg
LOOK at that cockpit fully digital not even the cockpit has that.
http://www.airpower.at/news07/0410_mig-35/front-cockpit.jpg
http://www.airpower.at/news07/0410_mig-35/rear-cockpit.jpg
mustavaris
10-19-2007, 01:39 AM
Gripen is good if you apperiate true multi-purpose aircraft which is easily concealed, can use basic roads as airfields and has decent weaponry and really modern avionics et al. And need a light aircraft, it is pretty much what the Iranians try to achieve with their light aircraft program(s).
The crappy thing in it is that it is tailored for a country like Sweden and sold by Sweden. It is perfect solution for Cold War era Sweden and if you buy them.. remember that if war starts you can never trust in Swedes to get a single spare part. Ask Danes if you want to hear stories about their customer services... sometimes they are worse than the Russians ever were.
Relikt
10-19-2007, 12:32 PM
lol you are so jealous. Gripen is so much better than mig 29.
You must be kidding. Look what Gon4z posted and think again.
You must be kidding. Look what Gon4z posted and think again.
yes the Grippen is better than Serbia's Mig-29S
then serbias mig 29s :wub2:
He said that he would like for Albania to get the latest migs but he did say the grippern is beter then serbias mig 29-s -_-
Gon4z
10-19-2007, 12:47 PM
You must be kidding. Look what Gon4z posted and think again.
Have to agree with you on this.... look at what I posted no way you can convince me to purchase a JAS-39 before a MiG-35.
yes the Grippen is better than Serbia's Mig-29S
then serbias mig 29s :wub2:
Yes but its not better than the MiG-29SMT or the MiG-29T2, or the MiG-29OVT and they are defiantly NOT better than the Mikoyan MiG-35 these are 4.5 generation fighters the latest.
He said that he would like for Albania to get the latest migs but he did say the grippern is beter then serbias mig 29-s -_-
Actually I did say that, the new Mig-29's are better than the grippern's....LoL
Have to agree with you on this.... look at what I posted no way you can convince me to purchase a JAS-39 before a MiG-35.
Yes but its not better than the MiG-29SMT or the MiG-29T2, or the MiG-29OVT and they are defiantly NOT better than the Mikoyan MiG-35 these are 4.5 generation fighters the latest.
Actually I did say that, the new Mig-29's are better than the grippern's....LoL
yes but it depends on the aircombat if you put 10 grippens against 4 mig 29s i would say the grippens would win and Croatia i thought would buy 20 of them so if you look at the total picture Croatias grippens are beter then the mig 29s
lets face it bro 4 mig 29s arent that much :X
mustavaris
10-19-2007, 02:18 PM
If you got 4 aircraft and you need to patrol and do training and such.. you are lucky to have 2..3 ready in a sudden emergency. With 10 you may count on 5 or little bit more..
That´s why many consider that two squadrons is a minimum deterrence. Then you can always have ready squadron and can afford to lose a few aircraft.
Bumble Bee
10-19-2007, 02:24 PM
nah no way Serbia mig 29 can match the f16i never unless it 5 mig vs 1 f16 maybe then they would winIn Polish or German dogfights the MiG-29 overwhelmingly defeated the US F-16s. You just are ignorant.
mustavaris
10-19-2007, 02:26 PM
In Polish or German dogfights the MiG-29 overwhelmingly defeated the US F-16s. You just are ignorant.
In dogfight before newer Sidewinders were introduced. Against AMRAAM armed opponent in BVR where most of the fights now happen,it is another story.
Gon4z
10-19-2007, 02:38 PM
yes but it depends on the aircombat if you put 10 grippens against 4 mig 29s i would say the grippens would win and Croatia i thought would buy 20 of them so if you look at the total picture Croatias grippens are beter then the mig 29s
Well better than Serbians Mig's, and not necessarily if the pilots of the Migs are very senior and highly trained and the Grippen are rookies than the Migs have a high chance of wining.
I spoke of this long time ago, Vietnam's best pilot flying a MiG-17F went up against 6x F-4 F-4E Phantom II and knocked down 4 of them and one run away and the last one sot him down, which shows that its not always the aircraft but the pilot as weal.
Gon4z
10-19-2007, 02:39 PM
lets face it bro 4 mig 29s arent that much :X
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If you got 4 aircraft and you need to patrol and do training and such.. you are lucky to have 2..3 ready in a sudden emergency. With 10 you may count on 5 or little bit more..
That´s why many consider that two squadrons is a minimum deterrence. Then you can always have ready squadron and can afford to lose a few aircraft.
YEAP any airfroce with less than 12 fighter jets is pretty useless.
In Polish or German dogfights the MiG-29 overwhelmingly defeated the US F-16s. You just are ignorant.
again it depends on the pilot, weapons & variant of the aircraft.
In dogfight before newer Sidewinders were introduced. Against AMRAAM armed opponent in BVR where most of the fights now happen,it is another story.
In the 21st century Dog fighting is a very rear thing. by the 70's dog fighting had died quiet a lot.
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YEAP any airfroce with less than 12 fighter jets is pretty useless.
again it depends on the pilot, weapons & variant of the aircraft.
yep very true i totally agree with you
Relikt
10-19-2007, 02:46 PM
TRUE
YEAP any airfroce with less than 12 fighter jets is pretty useless.
again it depends on the pilot, weapons & variant of the aircraft.
In the 21st century Dog fighting is a very rear thing. by the 70's dog fighting had died quiet a lot.
Good dog fighter is good missile evader. Also dog fight isnt dead. It all depend on tactic. You can launch your jets to pursuit retreating enemy jets in this case they can get behind enemy tail and then dog fight would start. Why Swiss have F-18 mostly armed with newest Sidewinders?
Because they are using catapult launch system and their tactics is to take enemy jets from tail. Fast go up and engage.
Dog fight is only dead in battles like NATO vs. Yugoslavia. If dog fight is dead F-22 wouldnt try to show everything what Su-30 can do.
Bumble Bee
10-19-2007, 03:29 PM
In dogfight before newer Sidewinders were introduced. Against AMRAAM armed opponent in BVR where most of the fights now happen,it is another story.The scores was unanymously in favor of the Fulcrum someone posted it was like 33-0! It's already on the forum. If Iran was smart they'd just license produce the MiG-33 which is an extended range MiG-29.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deG-e26SsvY
Mig-29 kick ***.
In dog fight it is beast.
Just surf on net and read about German Mig-29 pilots butchered US F-16 pilots in knife fight traning. I think score was 32:0 for Mig-29. Yanks left brefing room when they saw results of training because they belive that Germans are liers.
First versions sucks much in BVR (bad radar which turn off without any known reason, small fuel tanks, fuel hungry etc) but as machine it was great. My proffesor(ex Mig 21 pilot) said that Mig-29 is only plane in world capable to break sound barrier in vertical flight I dont know is this true (I am sure that Mig 29 is capable for that but maybe there is some other plane capable too and I am very sure that F-16 would fell apart if true to do that).
As I said Mig-29 suck in electronics. US planes are electronic state of art but as jet machines they are nothing special.
Modern Mig-29 have very good electronics.
And Mig-29 never fight agianst one plane. They always were over numbered by enemy and technologic far behind. Serbia had Mig-29B which is first Mig-29 and we had 12-14 migs. We fight against 1000 NATO air fleet many of NATO jets had last upgrade.
Same could say for Iraq 1991.
To me it is very funny to compare US hardware with others when they always go in war we they are sure they are much more superior. They hype their M1A2 as T-72 killers and they never say that M1A2 is 20 years younger tank.
And when some new Russian RPG kick *** of western tank design (Merkeva) then they try to hide that.
Also US joke about French jets but truth is that in Soviet Isreal air war over Syria Mirage kick Soviet mig-21 while Phantom II didnt.
Mustavaris is just Eurotrash that visits the forum to discredit what red people can do that his incompetent nations can't do. The US is in Europe to defend his race and the KSA, Iran, Turkey and Lebanon are self-secured. Everything he says is to inflame the forum.
doFLer
10-19-2007, 08:36 PM
Wow, this stupid topic has got up to 29 pages in responses.
I can tell you who will win if Albania and Serbia went to war - neither one.
They will both lose...
Nobody ever wins a war - the innocent people always end up paying....
Gon4z
10-19-2007, 09:18 PM
Nobody ever wins a war
That pretty naive.... LoL
the innocent people always end up paying....
TRUE but there is no such thing as a war without casualties, and in cases when one or both sides are savage animals the civilians end up paying.
mustavaris
10-20-2007, 01:32 AM
The scores was unanymously in favor of the Fulcrum someone posted it was like 33-0! It's already on the forum. If Iran was smart they'd just license produce the MiG-33 which is an extended range MiG-29.
Mustavaris is just Eurotrash that visits the forum to discredit what red people can do that his incompetent nations can't do. The US is in Europe to defend his race and the KSA, Iran, Turkey and Lebanon are self-secured. Everything he says is to inflame the forum.
Well, I know those incidents you mention very well. Actually I have read pretty throughout reports on them... in any case, it was not 33 against 0 "kills" they gained and there are few things which cast doubt on the report when talking about real war shooting war and the relevance of the results from those "engagements".
1# The fights were tailored to be only dogfighting, thus other tactics and means were neglected. No BVR was fought while in more modern engagements the figthing has almost always started, and in most cases ended within BVR envelope. Only significant VVR engagements with modern aircraft I remember off my head occured when the Ethiopian Su-27s and Eritrean MiG-29s flown by mercenaries fought.. and their R-27s failed thus R-73s were used.
2# The opponents of MiG-29s lacked: newer generation Sidewinders (with greater off-boresight capabilities) and helmet mounted sights (which was strong point of MiG-29). Both have been corrected by those who can afford to.
So the incidents tell nothing about the aircraft itself, but tell how essential in dogfight the far off-boresight weapons and helmet mounted sights are and how you are gonna be dead meat if you ainŽt having them and the opponent has them while both can use their weapons properly.
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Tell me how my nation is incompetent, please try your best. I would also love to know how we are incompetent when comparing to "reds". I have never talked a bad word about American Indians here on IDF so I think you refer commies and their kin.. so come forth with your grand knowledge.
And how USA actually defends my race or my country? My race is well, a bit complicated thing (remember, I am not pure blooded Finn...) and last time I checked this country was militarily non-aligned and prepared to fight alone against any opponent. Esp. I would love to know how Lebanon is more self-secured and independent than my country.. in any case, I have no will to say that this country is some superwonderland and mightier than any, but I do know damn well, that those things we do, we tend to do damn well.
And thanks for the compliment.
Wow, this stupid topic has got up to 29 pages in responses.
I can tell you who will win if Albania and Serbia went to war - neither one.
They will both lose...
Nobody ever wins a war - the innocent people always end up paying....
Well yes you are right about that but common me and you know that if somebody will start an war it will be Serbia and then we must strike we have no choice
Relikt
10-20-2007, 08:06 AM
Well yes you are right about that but common me and you know that if somebody will start an war it will be Serbia and then we must strike we have no choice
Can you say how you think this war would start? And when?
Can you say how you think this war would start? And when?
It will start when Kosova gains indepence and i am pretty sure kar lazar will have something to do with it or paramilitary serbians that are stationd in nother mitrovica
Can you say how you think this war would start? And when?
well like i said in 2007 it might not be Serbian army but serbian militias against Uck aksh nla and so on but those militias will be armed by serbian army just like uck aksh and nla will be armed by Albanian army
Relikt
10-20-2007, 06:44 PM
well like i said in 2007 it might not be Serbian army but serbian militias against Uck aksh nla and so on but those militias will be armed by serbian army just like uck aksh and nla will be armed by Albanian army
So why you talk about F-16s and other stuff?
Gon4z
10-20-2007, 09:27 PM
It will start when Kosova gains indepence and i am pretty sure kar lazar will have something to do with it or paramilitary serbians that are stationd in nother mitrovica
KOSOVA is not getting independence.... forget that, th only way I see us getting it is declaring it unilaterally our selfs which will defiantly result in some sort of conflict, as for the UN giving it to us you can forget it both the British & EU have said that Kosova's independence will not be archived this year but the UN and urge the Kosovars not to take one sided steps.
Gon4z
10-20-2007, 09:28 PM
So why you talk about F-16s and other stuff?
:roflmao3:
doFLer
10-21-2007, 12:42 AM
Guys, go get some nintendos and computer war games to quench your thirst for war. Because in real life, it is a different story. Gon4z, you say my view that nobody wins a war is naive. Well, go ask the one million plus displaced and persecuted Kosova people if they would have rather been tormented of have peace instead. Its the people that suffer in the war, period. And those Serbian solders that got killed in the war had mothers too. Chances are they didnt go volunteer to fight, but were drafted to do so.
We Albanians (myself included) believe our cause is right. But we forget that Serbs may believe theirs is right too.
End result - WAR. Who wins?!?! you tell me.
I havent experienced it first hand but by what I read, I dont think any of you has experienced war first hand either.
And by first hand I mean being right there, in the midst of it, and not claiming you have been in a war because a distant cousin or even close relative happened to be there.
It seems the Balkans will never live in peace, ever....
It is funny becase here in the United States, being from the Balkans is a uniting factor. I see Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, MonteNegro folks, Romanians etc getting along fine. But once in the Balkans, totally different story, go figure....
So why you talk about F-16s and other stuff?
pff cause those stuff Albania is going to get and if nato does an louzy job in protection our peopel then Albania has to step in i dont know if you forgot but Albanians in Albania and Albanians in Kosova are the same togethere with the ones in Greece in Montenegro in Southern Serbia in MAcedonia and also in all other foreign countrys you are not stepping up only against the Albanians in Kosova but this time against all of us
Guys, go get some nintendos and computer war games to quench your thirst for war. Because in real life, it is a different story. Gon4z, you say my view that nobody wins a war is naive. Well, go ask the one million plus displaced and persecuted Kosova people if they would have rather been tormented of have peace instead. Its the people that suffer in the war, period. And those Serbian solders that got killed in the war had mothers too. Chances are they didnt go volunteer to fight, but were drafted to do so.
We Albanians (myself included) believe our cause is right. But we forget that Serbs may believe theirs is right too.
End result - WAR. Who wins?!?! you tell me.
I havent experienced it first hand but by what I read, I dont think any of you has experienced war first hand either.
And by first hand I mean being right there, in the midst of it, and not claiming you have been in a war because a distant cousin or even close relative happened to be there.
It seems the Balkans will never live in peace, ever....
It is funny becase here in the United States, being from the Balkans is a uniting factor. I see Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, MonteNegro folks, Romanians etc getting along fine. But once in the Balkans, totally different story, go figure....
Yes maybe there its good you guys have an good life going to work getting a lot of money but dont stay nobody of us saw war cause a lot of us did and what do you expect if the serbs killed their fathers brothers raped their mothers and sisters and you expect us to forgive them while those same peopel are threating us they will again go into Kosova and what do you think they will do ? pff next time before you writte think cause you havent seen anything it doesnt mean others has and no WE WILL NEVER FORGIVR THEM EVER
Guys, go get some nintendos and computer war games to quench your thirst for war. Because in real life, it is a different story. Gon4z, you say my view that nobody wins a war is naive. Well, go ask the one million plus displaced and persecuted Kosova people if they would have rather been tormented of have peace instead. Its the people that suffer in the war, period. And those Serbian solders that got killed in the war had mothers too. Chances are they didnt go volunteer to fight, but were drafted to do so.
We Albanians (myself included) believe our cause is right. But we forget that Serbs may believe theirs is right too.
End result - WAR. Who wins?!?! you tell me.
I havent experienced it first hand but by what I read, I dont think any of you has experienced war first hand either.
And by first hand I mean being right there, in the midst of it, and not claiming you have been in a war because a distant cousin or even close relative happened to be there.
It seems the Balkans will never live in peace, ever....
It is funny becase here in the United States, being from the Balkans is a uniting factor. I see Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, MonteNegro folks, Romanians etc getting along fine. But once in the Balkans, totally different story, go figure....
What rights ??? they fought against turks together with the whole Balkans they werent only serbians in that battle and what do you celebrate ? that they lost the battle the only ones that does that are serbs
well here another things for you serbs now you can also celebrate Croaita Slovenia Bosnia and last Kosova go crazy now celebrate cause you also lost there
doFLer
10-21-2007, 11:56 PM
... and what do you expect if the serbs killed their fathers brothers raped their mothers and sisters and you expect us to forgive them while those same peopel are threating us they will again go into Kosova and what do you think they will do ? pff next time before you writte think cause you havent seen anything it doesnt mean others has and no WE WILL NEVER FORGIVR THEM EVER
You took my words out of context, I am not saying forgive and forget the attrocities by any means. All I am wishing my people is that they have seen the last war, and that nothing like that will happen again. My point was and I repeat it again that the regular people are the ones that suffer.
Should the history repeat itself, then by all means we have the right and will defend ourselves.
The problem I have is that I sense from some of the posts that certain people almost wish war - well, thats the category I was referring to that have not experienced war and dont exactly know what it means.
Seeing war from TV like most of us (myself included) and living it are two very different things
Shamshire...
10-22-2007, 01:58 AM
this is stupid why would you think about such a conflict when it is not on the horizion and outworldly irresponsible to start such a conflict if it happens by the people who want this conflict and yes I know it is only hypothetical question so dont tail me about it
this is stupid why would you think about such a conflict when it is not on the horizion and outworldly irresponsible to start such a conflict if it happens by the people who want this conflict and yes I know it is only hypothetical question so dont tail me about it
well cause when Kosova becomes independt the serbs in nother want the same things and we all know that place is full with serbian paramilitary so some shooting will start Ana allready said the will enter nother mitrovica and well you know what will happen Serbia will prob pull in with their army and so will Albania
the albanians in Macedonia would also want independce so another war will break out there the serbs in Bosnia would want indepencde and would take up arms to do so so voila another war the albanians in greece have enghouf with the greeks tortuering them and prob another war there btw there are 2 mill albanians in greece the albanians in souther serbia want independce so they will take up their arms especially cause the whole balkkans in allready in flames and what do you get
all out war in Serbia-Montengro-Kosova-Macedonia-Greece-Albania
Relikt
10-22-2007, 03:50 PM
well cause when Kosova becomes independt the serbs in nother want the same things and we all know that place is full with serbian paramilitary so some shooting will start Ana allready said the will enter nother mitrovica and well you know what will happen Serbia will prob pull in with their army and so will Albania
the albanians in Macedonia would also want independce so another war will break out there the serbs in Bosnia would want indepencde and would take up arms to do so so voila another war the albanians in greece have enghouf with the greeks tortuering them and prob another war there btw there are 2 mill albanians in greece the albanians in souther serbia want independce so they will take up their arms especially cause the whole balkkans in allready in flames and what do you get
all out war in Serbia-Montengro-Kosova-Macedonia-Greece-Albania
What is wrong with you?
I know propaganda. Here in Serbia no one is talking about war. But you and Gon4z hear that there are some paramilitary group called "Holy tzar Lazar Guard" and you use that as excuse for ANA? Dude HTLG never was pictured with rifles, in fact they dont have nothing. Those dudes are only ready to go in war is Serbia called them.
But ANA is acting on its own. So if ANA fire first they they will be guilty for war.
War in Bosnia between Serbs and Muslims didnt start by Serbs but by Muslims. They fire first bullets and they didnt had any reason.
And no Serbs in Bosnia arent so stupid to open second front.
Also Macedonia is under western protection same with Greece so if you guys start some s*it there you will lost any western support. I know that Albanians have many smart and capable politicians so you will not start three wars at once.
P.S. Albanian rifles are killing Turk solders. Some sold your weapons to Kurds. Turkey is pissed off. There is even official denial on Albanian ministry of defence. But fact is Albanian AK are killing Turks.
Gon4z
10-22-2007, 04:24 PM
P.S. Albanian rifles are killing Turk solders. Some sold your weapons to Kurds. Turkey is pissed off. There is even official denial on Albanian ministry of defence. But fact is Albanian AK are killing Turks.
Duno about selling to the KURDS, but a shipment of ARMS heading for Georgia was turned back by turkey, Turkey claimed it was for ARMENIA whilst Russia & some EU states claimed its for CHECHNYA, but Albanians are claiming it was for Georgia and Georgia is not saying anything, very hairy situation, Albania assured Azerbajan it was not for Armenia But who know with all the crouped A$$ holes in governmetn they sell to every side there is.
Can you please provide a link about your claim that we are selling to KURDS id like to read more.
Relikt
10-22-2007, 04:36 PM
Duno about selling to the KURDS, but a shipment of ARMS heading for Georgia was turned back by turkey, Turkey claimed it was for ARMENIA whilst Russia & some EU states claimed its for CHECHNYA, but Albanians are claiming it was for Georgia and Georgia is not saying anything, very hairy situation, Albania assured Azerbajan it was not for Armenia But who know with all the crouped A$$ holes in governmetn they sell to every side there is.
Can you please provide a link about your claim that we are selling to KURDS id like to read more.
article “Albania, weapons for Kurd rebels” published in Gazeta Shqiptare on September 10, 2007
And here is reaction of Albanian DoD, which dont explain situation just saying that there are good relations with Turkey DoD.
http://www.mod.gov.al/index.php?crd=0,0,0,0,0,1,Lng2
P.S. Well in countries like Albania or Serbia this kind of things is expected.
Gon4z
10-22-2007, 04:50 PM
article Albania, weapons for Kurd rebels published in Gazeta Shqiptare on September 10, 2007
And here is reaction of Albanian DoD, which dont explain situation just saying that there are good relations with Turkey DoD.
http://www.mod.gov.al/index.php?crd=0,0,0,0,0,1,Lng2
Thanx
P.S. Well in countries like Albania or Serbia this kind of things is expected.
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mustavaris
10-23-2007, 06:19 AM
BB,,, I am awaiting for your answer: ....
What is wrong with you?
I know propaganda. Here in Serbia no one is talking about war. But you and Gon4z hear that there are some paramilitary group called "Holy tzar Lazar Guard" and you use that as excuse for ANA? Dude HTLG never was pictured with rifles, in fact they dont have nothing. Those dudes are only ready to go in war is Serbia called them.
But ANA is acting on its own. So if ANA fire first they they will be guilty for war.
War in Bosnia between Serbs and Muslims didnt start by Serbs but by Muslims. They fire first bullets and they didnt had any reason.
And no Serbs in Bosnia arent so stupid to open second front.
Also Macedonia is under western protection same with Greece so if you guys start some s*it there you will lost any western support. I know that Albanians have many smart and capable politicians so you will not start three wars at once.
P.S. Albanian rifles are killing Turk solders. Some sold your weapons to Kurds. Turkey is pissed off. There is even official denial on Albanian ministry of defence. But fact is Albanian AK are killing Turks.
Dont you worry cause serbs are stupid enghouf to open an second front in Bosnia and if you guys wont the bosnians would do so why >>? cause you guys are busy enghouf with albanians Macedonia under western protection yea right U.s doesnt give an **** about Macedonia and do you rlly think Nato would do anything rofl think again nato is full of pussys and they wouldnt jeperdize their soldiers and send them to an full out balkan war
Relikt
10-23-2007, 02:30 PM
Dont you worry cause serbs are stupid enghouf to open an second front in Bosnia and if you guys wont the bosnians would do so why >>? cause you guys are busy enghouf with albanians Macedonia under western protection yea right U.s doesnt give an **** about Macedonia and do you rlly think Nato would do anything rofl think again nato is full of pussys and they wouldnt jeperdize their soldiers and send them to an full out balkan war
They will send air support. I think that hundred of A-10 and Ah-64 would blasted UCK in Macedonia without any problem. O I almost forgot AC-130 gunshiphttp://www.carneysoil.com/images/ac130.jpg
This bird would make your terrors to s*** in their pants. It was most fear thing between Talibans in A-stan and those dudes are hard to scare. Operate fr om altitude little higher that MANPADs and delivering fire storm.
So as you see they dont need to send troopers in FYROM.
P.S. Just two Mi-24 in FYROM create big problems to ANA. Dont forget that.
mustavaris
10-23-2007, 03:03 PM
And if the Makedonians are drawn in the war.. do not forget their big brothers, the Bulgarians I do not think that they would stay idle of Macedonia were being overrun (which is very unlikely though).
And if the Makedonians are drawn in the war.. do not forget their big brothers, the Bulgarians I do not think that they would stay idle of Macedonia were being overrun (which is very unlikely though).
Bulgaria doesnt care about Macedonia or Fyrom well call it whatever you want and dont worry Greece has still some big troubles with Macedonia and Bulgaria joining in an war :roflmao3: for Macedonia :roflmao3: hehe you guys are funny where was Bulgaria in 2001 when 5000 ana kicked their armies ***
They will send air support. I think that hundred of A-10 and Ah-64 would blasted UCK in Macedonia without any problem. O I almost forgot AC-130 gunshiphttp://www.carneysoil.com/images/ac130.jpg
This bird would make your terrors to s*** in their pants. It was most fear thing between Talibans in A-stan and those dudes are hard to scare. Operate fr om altitude little higher that MANPADs and delivering fire storm.
So as you see they dont need to send troopers in FYROM.
P.S. Just two Mi-24 in FYROM create big problems to ANA. Dont forget that.
1 thing i dont give an **** about taliban capish so dont bring that stuff here alright the only thing albanians care about is an Ethnic Albania and other albanians
And wtf do you think that we are crazy to fight Nato pff you stupid kid think again the only ones we will fight are you cetniks serbs
and 1 thing Relikt you saw against who nato was preparing to go to war to so they are backing us up when Kosova gets independce in 2 months or even less you guys wouldnt dare to do **** about it unless you want your beloved belgrade to be bombed to the dust again wich we albanains dont mind
And relikt all of the Albanians i know love U.s and i also love U.s a lot they where the only ones that helped us against you savages
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 12:41 AM
Bulgaria doesnt care about Macedonia or Fyrom well call it whatever you want and dont worry Greece has still some big troubles with Macedonia and Bulgaria joining in an war :roflmao3: for Macedonia :roflmao3: hehe you guys are funny where was Bulgaria in 2001 when 5000 ana kicked their armies ***
Bulgaria and Greece are EU members, if they are drawn into conflict which they did not start...
And when ANA did what they did, many sent arms to Macedonia. Never thought though that they kicked the butts of the Macedonian military....
It is weird that Serbia would not be able to handle a multi-front war while you seem to think that the Albanians would turn out as winners if they went into conflict with Serbia, Macedonia and Greece...
Relikt
10-24-2007, 09:29 AM
1 thing i dont give an **** about taliban capish so dont bring that stuff here alright the only thing albanians care about is an Ethnic Albania and other albanians
I said that AC-130 break taliban fighters moral. So if USA use them in protection of Macedonia your ANA cant do nothing.
Relikt
10-24-2007, 09:31 AM
And wtf do you think that we are crazy to fight Nato pff you stupid kid think again the only ones we will fight are you cetniks serbs
Attacking one member of NATO is same as attacking NATO. So I wish that your terrorists attack Greece and get butchered.
Relikt
10-24-2007, 09:33 AM
I said that AC-130 break taliban fighters moral. So if USA use them in protection of Macedonia your ANA cant do nothing.
Well they still hope that USA will back them in those three wars. Well maybe democrats would but republicans never. And without USA support they dont have balls to nothing.
Relikt
10-24-2007, 09:45 AM
and 1 thing Relikt you saw against who nato was preparing to go to war to so they are backing us up when Kosova gets independce in 2 months or even less you guys wouldnt dare to do **** about it unless you want your beloved belgrade to be bombed to the dust again wich we albanains dont mind
We will see. As I said best thing for Albanians is to cool down. But reading your posts I see that you cant cool down. So if you start three wars(macedonia, Greece, Serbia) bye bye great Albania.
Bulgaria and Greece are EU members, if they are drawn into conflict which they did not start...
And when ANA did what they did, many sent arms to Macedonia. Never thought though that they kicked the butts of the Macedonian military....
It is weird that Serbia would not be able to handle a multi-front war while you seem to think that the Albanians would turn out as winners if they went into conflict with Serbia, Macedonia and Greece...
ehm again Macedonia is nothing next we will leave Greece alone (for now _)
and Serbia well you know how much we love them and we got some things to finish with them :rawrrrrr3:
We will see. As I said best thing for Albanians is to cool down. But reading your posts I see that you cant cool down. So if you start three wars(macedonia, Greece, Serbia) bye bye great Albania.
if we start 2 wars with Macedonia and Serbia hello Greater Albania then we will boost our Economy and when we are ready bye bye Greece 2 million Albanians in greece can destoy it from the inside out and besides we got nothing to lose its not the greeks will treat us even worse cause they allready doing that and when the greece economy is on its knees we will move in
Bulgaria and Greece are EU members, if they are drawn into conflict which they did not start...
And when ANA did what they did, many sent arms to Macedonia. Never thought though that they kicked the butts of the Macedonian military....
It is weird that Serbia would not be able to handle a multi-front war while you seem to think that the Albanians would turn out as winners if they went into conflict with Serbia, Macedonia and Greece...
Macedonia isnt an eu member and we wil take over macedonia not all of it only the parts that belong to Albania and 1 more thing Greeks arent to fund of Macedonia so they will keep their mouth shut Bulgaria can only bark like an dog and thats it maybe some mercenaris from their side ok many sent arms to Macedonia but sitll MAcedonia lost to an couple of civillians wtih ak47s lolololo so thats show how tough their army is beside 33% if not more of macedonias army are Albanians 1 of the 3 most important Generlas of Macedonia is Ablbanian
Well they still hope that USA will back them in those three wars. Well maybe democrats would but republicans never. And without USA support they dont have balls to nothing.
We have enghouf balls to fight for our land and our peopel dont you worry about balls when such an big war starts do you think nato or russia would do something about it hell NO
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 12:07 PM
If Albanians start the war, the world will forget what happened during the 1990s.... The one starts the next round, will lose big time. You´ll have my word on that;)
If Albanians start the war, the world will forget what happened during the 1990s.... The one starts the next round, will lose big time. YouŽll have my word on that;) Dont you worry we are only waiting for serbians to make the first move and then voila goodbye Macedonia goodbye Serbia Hello Greater Albania
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 12:18 PM
Dont you worry we are only waiting for serbians to make the first move and then voila goodbye Macedonia goodbye Serbia Hello Greater Albania
I got a question: when was the last time when a country took part of another country in Europe and that got accepted..?
I got a question: when was the last time when a country took part of another country in Europe and that got accepted..?
8 years ago but serbians are stupid and started ethnic cleaning if they didnt do that they still would of had Kosova and did somebody care about the other yu wars Eu doesnt give an **** only America did
I got a question: when was the last time when a country took part of another country in Europe and that got accepted..?
And i got an question for you when did Eu give an **** about this kind of things without U.s ??? they dont even care let alone going to war :roflmao3:
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 12:48 PM
8 years ago but...
What? Care to elaborate.
What? Care to elaborate.
you didnt answer mine question did you heh i rest mine case
What? Care to elaborate.
why should i eleborate history its allready done i dont have nothing to plan when i am talking to you -_- cause in the end you and i know i am right eu doesnt give an ****
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 01:04 PM
And i got an question for you when did Eu give an **** about this kind of things without U.s ??? they dont even care let alone going to war :roflmao3:
We got surprised with our pants at knees in case of Yugoslavia... but what happened (or actually, did not happen) in Czechosslovakia and Makedonia?
And there is no need to go to open war.. if EU backs one side, that side will be supplied by the others with our backing, be it Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece or whatever.. we have money and stuff..even though we may not be interested in direct participation
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 01:05 PM
why should i eleborate history its allready done i dont have nothing to plan when i am talking to you -_- cause in the end you and i know i am right eu doesnt give an ****
Well, did you lie?
What happened 8 years ago?
What country took a part of another and got away with that?
Tell me!
We got surprised with our pants at knees in case of Yugoslavia... but what happened (or actually, did not happen) in Czechosslovakia and Makedonia?
And there is no need to go to open war.. if EU backs one side, that side will be supplied by the others with our backing, be it Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece or whatever.. we have money and stuff..even though we may not be interested in direct participation
oh you guys had your pants at your knees for 9 years till all of the wars where finished with U.s help wich saved houndred of thousands of peopel lifes if it was for eu not an single Albanian would be in Kosova this days i am not saying its needed for an war even macedonians them selfs are seeing thats it beter to split up Macedonia 1 part to Bulgaria 1 to Albania or Kosova well doesnt matter we are 1 anyways you guys dont care you will sell weapons to anyone that got the cash and thats just how life is i dont blame you guys for it tough its an cold hard world
Well, did you lie?
What happened 8 years ago?
What country took a part of another and got away with that?
Tell me!
Greece got an part of Albania Serbia got an part of Albania and who stopped that it was America that stopped them 8 years ago oh nothing happent it woman got killed children got killed serbs tried to kill an entire race but nothing interesting for eu cause since the first days they where backing up serbs but we know we shouldnt trust you guys the only think why some of the countries of eu are backing us up is cause of America and i allways will be greatfull to america for that
But anyways i have enghouf of this i am also happy that eu is helping us now even tough we cant trust them
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 01:22 PM
oh you guys had your pants at your knees for 9 years till all of the wars where finished with U.s help wich saved houndred of thousands of peopel lifes if it was for eu not an single Albanian would be in Kosova this days i am not saying its needed for an war even macedonians them selfs are seeing thats it beter to split up Macedonia 1 part to Bulgaria 1 to Albania or Kosova well doesnt matter we are 1 anyways you guys dont care you will sell weapons to anyone that got the cash and thats just how life is i dont blame you guys for it tough its an cold hard world
Krhm.
What happened in Kosovo in mid 1990s was not considered to be more than internal issue as Serbia was needed to safeguard the peace in Bosnia. But the things turned nasty and the killings did not stop.
And did you realize that it was not the Americans alone who acted? Yes, they were the main player - and thats why EU has been creating rapid deployment forces and force projection capabilities.
And it was mainly European pressure (economical & political) which in the end finished Milosevic.
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 01:24 PM
Greece got an part of Albania Serbia got an part of Albania t
8 years ago? You said so.
Krhm.
What happened in Kosovo in mid 1990s was not considered to be more than internal issue as Serbia was needed to safeguard the peace in Bosnia. But the things turned nasty and the killings did not stop.
And did you realize that it was not the Americans alone who acted? Yes, they were the main player - and thats why EU has been creating rapid deployment forces and force projection capabilities.
And it was mainly European pressure (economical & political) which in the end finished Milosevic.
ehm i dont know where you heard this stuff but its ******** America did all of the work Bill Clinton did all of the work E.u couldnt care less yes when America told them then they reacted but without America they wouldnt give an ****
8 years ago? You said so.
i was talking then about Kosova -_-
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 01:27 PM
But anyways i have enghouf of this i am also happy that eu is helping us now even tough we cant trust them
YouŽll eat from our hands and come knocking on our doors...
But hey, in the end we will end up building a mutually beneficial relationship. Unless you screw the things big time.
It seems, if your words can be taken as generalization, that we cannot trust that you want peace in Europe... sorry to say this, and I am not presenting this to wider audience as I know that the grand majority has far more positive view.
Mustaveris its clearly we wont agree on this so its useless to go on with this discussion
YouŽll eat from our hands and come knocking on our doors...
But hey, in the end we will end up building a mutually beneficial relationship. Unless you screw the things big time.
It seems, if your words can be taken as generalization, that we cannot trust that you want peace in Europe... sorry to say this, and I am not presenting this to wider audience as I know that the grand majority has far more positive view. When ?? how many times do i have to say E.u doesnt care get that in your mind if it wasnt for America all of the Albanians in Kosova would be dead or living somewhere else get that in your mind in your head What should we screw ?? by starting another war ?? if U.s isnt going to do anything do you think E.u will act on his own >?> not in an million years its the trueth there wont be peace in Europe or Balkans as long as we wont have our lands back wich they toke by war and wich the only thing we will get them back is by war
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 01:51 PM
there wont be peace in Europe or Balkans as long as we wont have our lands back wich they toke by war and wich the only thing we will get them back is by war
Start it and lose it.
The Americans saved you, yes, but they wonŽt then help you.
Time will tell...
Start it and lose it.
The Americans saved you, yes, but they wonŽt then help you.
Time will tell...
And how do you know America wont help us ?? heh explain it to me how do you know what the interest of America are ?? if you dont know this things then you have no right to talk about this stuff
and yes time will tell ;)
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 01:58 PM
And how do you know America wont help us ?? heh explain it to me how do you know what the interest of America are ?? if you dont know this things then you have no right to talk about this stuff
They are not interested of being dragged into yet another conflict. They wonŽt interfere anymore, they are busy elsewhere. This is the truth if the Albanian side starts the war. But if the other side starts it, and makes it to spill over different countries, then it is sure that the Albanian side will get a lot of cheap/free weapons and US trainers will stay there.
They have no damned reasons to save your butt if you are to be blamed for the conflict.
They are not interested of being dragged into yet another conflict. They wonŽt interfere anymore, they are busy elsewhere. This is the truth if the Albanian side starts the war. But if the other side starts it, and makes it to spill over different countries, then it is sure that the Albanian side will get a lot of cheap/free weapons and US trainers will stay there.
They have no damned reasons to save your butt if you are to be blamed for the conflict.
Well maybe if we got some good reason to start it they will help us dont you think that and you saw that aritcel i posted wich says Nato got some roles for Albania and Croatia if another war starts with serbia wich will prob start in 2 months if Serbia tries something
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 02:03 PM
Well maybe if we got some good reason to start it they will help us dont you think that and you saw that aritcel i posted wich says Nato got some roles for Albania and Croatia if another war starts with serbia wich will prob start in 2 months if Serbia tries something
Yes, if the Serbs screw things, it is very natural for NATO to give certain responsibilites for Albania and Croatia to take care of. Both want to join NATO and integrate to west, and have no reasons to play nice with the Serbs if there is need for rude attitude. But the basic point is that the side which steps over the line, will be the one who loses the sympathy.
Relikt
10-24-2007, 02:49 PM
And how do you know America wont help us ?? heh explain it to me how do you know what the interest of America are ?? if you dont know this things then you have no right to talk about this stuff
and yes time will tell ;)
If conflict start it will be low level nothing similar with 1999. We learn our mistakes.
Your story of new balkan war is BS.
And what more want Albanians in Macedonia? They get all rights they wanted. In fact they are important part of politician life there.
P.S. Even if Great Albania be created Albanians will still leave it and go to EU to work. So why the f*** you need it?
Grutte Pier
10-24-2007, 02:53 PM
Serbia would win, I think. Who else?
mustavaris
10-24-2007, 02:56 PM
Serbia would win, I think. Who else?
On what you base your point of view?
If conflict start it will be low level nothing similar with 1999. We learn our mistakes.
Your story of new balkan war is BS.
And what more want Albanians in Macedonia? They get all rights they wanted. In fact they are important part of politician life there.
P.S. Even if Great Albania be created Albanians will still leave it and go to EU to work. So why the f*** you need it?
ehm ehm maybe because its our land stoko :worried2: and when we have an ethnic albania the economy will be beter so why leaving to work in eu :laugh4:
Serbia would win, I think. Who else?ehm whatever lol do you guys still want an independent Friesland :roflmao3::roflmao3:
On what you base your point of view?
He bases that on his stupidety lol
24 October 2007 | 18:00 | FOCUS News Agency
Skopje. Two Macedonian policemen were killed Wednesday in an incident in the Macedonian village of Tanusevci, Albanian sources told Focus News Agency.
One policeman was injured.
Near the village, which is on the border with Kosovo, a group opened fire against the policemen’s car. According to the Macedonian media the group has most probably come from the region of Presevo, southern Serbia.
The Macedonian Makfax and MIA agencies announced three policemen were injured in the incident, while the A1 television channel informed that one policeman died and another two were wounded.
like i said before things arent going very good between Albanians and Macedonians
mustavaris
10-25-2007, 02:05 PM
like i said before things arent going very good between Albanians and Macedonians
Albanians seem to be a needing a good spanking yet another time. DŽoh.
But.. seriously speaking, yet another criminal group.. nothing serious unless these are very common incidents.
The Macedonian constitutional court of government has passed a law that forbids the Albanian flag from flying in everyday life or political institutions, the Albanian flag will no longer be an official flag of Macedonia as the Macedonian one is, this has raised very high tensions among th Albanians of Macedonia and neighboring countries like Kosova & Albania condemning the Macedonian government for pass this law, this is a direct violation foe the OHRID agreement which was signed by both Albanians & Macedonians which stopped the war in 2001, a one year conflict that Albanains fought and won for equal rights as the Macedonians since they make up over 30% of the countries, making it a very large minority, the Macedonian constitutional court is expected to pass another law in the near future which will forbid the use of Albanian language in government e.i. parliament and even forbidding schools from teaching Albanian.
This is causing extrema tensions among Albanians, and has led to the Albanian government in warning the Macedonians that they are heading for another 2001, also most of the Albanian citizens in are asking the question "HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN 2001?" which has gotten many Macedonian officials feeling uneasy and uncomfortable, about the current situation.
It is speculated that the current events have a lot to do with the recent ambush over dozen Macedonian border guards, near the border with Kosova, where 3 Macedonian police died and several others were injured, the people responsible are though to have crossed over from Kosova and carried out the attack and then crossed back, no one has claimed responsibility for the attack, and no one has been linked with it or arrested.
Albanians seem to be a needing a good spanking yet another time. DŽoh.
But.. seriously speaking, yet another criminal group.. nothing serious unless these are very common incidents.
the ones that got an asswhoping are the macedonians wich they will get again read that news i just posted you see they are asking for it and they will get it
lol Macedonia like they havent got enghouf problems with greeks but now also with albanians this time no more agreements but we want 50% of Macedonia wich allways belongs to us you see macedonians are digging their own grave
mustavaris
10-26-2007, 04:37 AM
lol Macedonia like they havent got enghouf problems with greeks but now also with albanians this time no more agreements but we want 50% of Macedonia wich allways belongs to us you see macedonians are digging their own grave
WeŽll see... weŽll see.
The jury is out.
And EU is still interested about what happens in the neighbourhood, and this sounds like a normal criminal activity to me.
eastman
10-26-2007, 04:46 AM
Albania suffers from so called "poor country syndrome", when inability to cope with internal problems like poverty, mafia, corruption, economic failures are reshaped into quasi-nationalism that claims that by creating "greater" country (irredentism) those problems will dissapear. There are many analogies to this Mexico claims Southern US, Swaziland - a part of South Africa, Morocco - Spanish Andalusia + Ceuta and Melilla and many more.
Gon4z
10-26-2007, 04:57 AM
Albania suffers from so called "poor country syndrome", when inability to cope with internal problems like poverty, mafia, corruption, economic failures are reshaped into quasi-nationalism that claims that by creating "greater" country (irredentism) those problems will dissapear. There are many analogies to this Mexico claims Southern US, Swaziland - a part of South Africa, Morocco - Spanish Andalusia + Ceuta and Melilla and many more.
Albania has better living standards and better corruption history than Serbia.:smile1: and many otehr Balkans & eastern European countries, you are thinking of Albania in 1992.
eastman
10-26-2007, 05:06 AM
Albania has better living standards and better corruption history than Serbia.:smile1: and many otehr Balkans & eastern European countries, you are thinking of Albania in 1992.
Many other? Elaborate.
Many other? Elaborate.
pff go look it up somewhere :tired1_24:
eastman
10-26-2007, 11:10 AM
pff go look it up somewhere :tired1_24:
Your answer is the best elaboration for me :biggrin1:
Your answer is the best elaboration for me :biggrin1: you have internet do you >? you know how to read english you know how to use google so go look it up it isnt that hard or is it maybe for you :huh2:
eastman
10-26-2007, 12:21 PM
you have internet do you >? you know how to read english you know how to use google so go look it up it isnt that hard or is it maybe for you :huh2:
No i do not have internet and i cannot read in English :tired1_24:
No i do not have internet and i cannot read in English :tired1_24:
Well then i cant help you have an good night :laugh4:
eastman
10-26-2007, 03:41 PM
Well then i cant help you have an good night :laugh4:
Good night :laugh4:
Apolonia2, his request..
10-27-2007, 05:55 PM
Albanians seem to be a needing a good spanking yet another time. DŽoh.
But.. seriously speaking, yet another criminal group.. nothing serious unless these are very common incidents.
What are you talking about? AKSH defeated the Macedonian military badly. AKSH is not a professional army,but a guerilla force that numbers at most 10,000 fighters. Macedonian Military numbered almost 25,000 in 2001. AKSH fights for their rights and they are fueled by their pursuit of freedom. This incident happened because we are still not enjoying full rights in Macedonia or any other place in the Balkans(except Albania). So really, what spanking are you talking about?
Relikt
10-28-2007, 07:15 PM
Albania has better living standards and better corruption history than Serbia.:smile1: and many otehr Balkans & eastern European countries, you are thinking of Albania in 1992.
Yes you have better corruption history (DRUG TRAFFIC).
I supposed you wanted to say "low corruption level". Even if you have lower corruption then Serbia you are still much far from EU standards so it is not something to be proud. Bulgaria and Romania get in EU with bigger corruption level then Serbia so what?
About living standard well it could discuss. But "2006 GDP per capita" you are lower then Serbia. But I dont think we need to be proud on both countries living standards are low. So eastman was right. When people are poor you can sold them any politics and blame others for troubles. I am witness of that we had that during Milosevic rule.
Relikt
10-28-2007, 07:20 PM
you have internet do you >? you know how to read english you know how to use google so go look it up it isnt that hard or is it maybe for you :huh2:
I google and saw that GDP per capita for Serbia is higher then for Albania it is data for 2006 and it is *** data. And I am not so proud as Gon4z because Serbian living standard isnt something to be proud off. Same thing we could say for Albanian living standard.
Relikt
10-28-2007, 07:32 PM
Those killings in Macedonia are criminal or better to say terroristic attacks.
So they said no to Albanian flag on political institutions?
And ANA killed couple policemen for that? Stupid and primitive.
Try to put Mexican flag on political institutions in California or Florida and look reaction of police.
Relikt
10-28-2007, 07:37 PM
What are you talking about? AKSH defeated the Macedonian military badly. AKSH is not a professional army,but a guerilla force that numbers at most 10,000 fighters. Macedonian Military numbered almost 25,000 in 2001. AKSH fights for their rights and they are fueled by their pursuit of freedom. This incident happened because we are still not enjoying full rights in Macedonia or any other place in the Balkans(except Albania). So really, what spanking are you talking about?
What Albanians didnt get in Macedonia?
You can use your language as official, you are part of politician life (and could became very important if you pull right moves) you have generals.
O yes you cant put your flag on political institutions. You cant do that no where in world.
P.S. And dont use Bosnia as excuse as Gon4z does. Bosnia isnt state it is have foreign governor.
Apolonia2, his request..
10-28-2007, 09:55 PM
The Macedonian constitutional court of government has passed a law that forbids the Albanian flag from flying in everyday life this is a direct violation foe the OHRID agreement the Macedonian constitutional court is expected to pass another law in the near future which will forbid the use of Albanian language in government e.i. parliament and even forbidding schools from teaching Albanian.
[B]It is speculated that the current events have a lot to do with the recent ambush over dozen Macedonian border guards, near the border with Kosova, where 3 Macedonian police died and several others were injured, the people responsible are though to have crossed over from Kosova and carried out the attack and then crossed back, no one has claimed responsibility for the attack, and no one has been linked with it or arrested.
Relikt read this^^^
What Albanians didnt get in Macedonia?
You can use your language as official, you are part of politician life (and could became very important if you pull right moves) you have generals.
O yes you cant put your flag on political institutions. You cant do that no where in world.
I do not support the actions of what happened in Macedonia. The people who did it should be arrested immediatly. This law not only prohibits the flag being used in political institutions,it prohibits the use of the flag anywhere, They signed an agreement. I do not know if that source is legit,if it isn't then i dont know,but based on what I see here, this a violation of that agreement.
[/quote]P.S. And dont use Bosnia as excuse as Gon4z does. Bosnia isnt state it is have foreign governor.[/quote]
I never said anything about that.........
Relikt
10-29-2007, 03:37 AM
Relikt read this^^^
I do not support the actions of what happened in Macedonia. The people who did it should be arrested immediatly. This law not only prohibits the flag being used in political institutions,it prohibits the use of the flag anywhere, They signed an agreement. I do not know if that source is legit,if it isn't then i dont know,but based on what I see here, this a violation of that agreement.
Well that is problem then. If they dont allow using flag in private. What I do in my yard is my thing.
hmm by the looks of this Macedonia or Fyrom or whatever is going to get an nice asskicking :)
eastman
10-29-2007, 02:52 PM
I'd like to ask Mxm whether there are for example Macedonian flags "flying in everyday life" in Albania :biggrin1:
This "flag issue" is very seriuos despite it looks quite innocent thing. I doubt that turks would be willing to see Kurdish flags in Kurdish areas (i think it's forbidden and your arse will be kicked if would dare to challenge this law :biggrin1:), the same in Central Romania and Southern Slovakia where while i was travelling i had never seen Hungarian flags, just many Romanian and Slovakian flags in those areas.
Relikt
10-30-2007, 04:48 AM
so does Australia and so what ? I personally would prefer U.S governer there rather then E.U but anything is better then nothing :)
actually more I think about it, more I beleive it should be forever - since your "country" is extremely dangerous neighbourhood.
Regarding flags, you actually in many countries have flags of nations in political institutions. just simple minded people find it bad.
Even in what you call "not-a-country" Bosnia you have triple flags belonging to three nations, and so what ?
in my opinion it is OK thing.
( by the way, state of Bosnia NOT-A-STATE is influenced by Serbian extremists from Belgrade wanting to create greater serbia or Yugoslavia which is same thing )
Please can you give me example where you can put flag of other state on government building?
We had similar problem in south Serbia because Albanians put flag of Albania on township building in Presevo for example. Flag represent state. If Serbs in Bosnia took flag of Serbia as flag of Republica Srpska they will get penalty for international governor.
Ha. Great Serbia sink as Titanic years ago.
When I said Bosnia isnt state is because Bosnian politicians(Croats, Bosnjaks, Serbs) cant do nothing without asking governor.
I think that Bosnia need to be modified as USA. It would solved all problems.
Gon4z
10-30-2007, 09:55 AM
dud this thread is dead seriously why are we still discussing this pointless thread.
Relikt
10-30-2007, 09:58 AM
dud this thread is dead seriously why are we still discussing this pointless thread.
Yes. We mixed Macedonia, Bosnia and Croatia in this thread.
I'd like to ask Mxm whether there are for example Macedonian flags "flying in everyday life" in Albania :biggrin1:
This "flag issue" is very seriuos despite it looks quite innocent thing. I doubt that turks would be willing to see Kurdish flags in Kurdish areas (i think it's forbidden and your arse will be kicked if would dare to challenge this law :biggrin1:), the same in Central Romania and Southern Slovakia where while i was travelling i had never seen Hungarian flags, just many Romanian and Slovakian flags in those areas.
hmm 1 question for you then is 35-40% of Albania Macedonian -_- nope so ofc not :tired1_24:
BornB4
11-07-2007, 05:15 PM
The Sertbs have been proven tough. Albania couldn't even defend the Albanians from Milosevic. Of course! The Serbs would win. They shot down a U.S. B-2 in 1995.
Gon4z
11-07-2007, 05:40 PM
The Sertbs have been proven tough. Albania couldn't even defend the Albanians from Milosevic. Of course! The Serbs would win. They shot down a U.S. B-2 in 1995.
YES serbs ahve beenproven so tough that they lost every single war they started or were involved in every single.
Albania was Yugoslavias 2nd biggest threat though the 20th century, shooting down an aircraft doesn't mean you will win you MORRON, Serbs lost KOSHAR to a few hundred Albanias and they were over 1,000 strong with heavy weapon military hard ware and even air support and they still lost, soon as Albanians in Kosova turned into the ofanisve NATO "coincidentally" intervened just like in BOSNIA when Bosniaks surrounded the last strong hold of R.S. Banjaluka.
you need to read and lean more about war and the Serb history, just face it this thread if an ideal place for flaming its just **** CRAP i suggest they close it.
BornB4
11-07-2007, 06:07 PM
The idea of Albanians winning against the Serbs without an alliance is foolish.
Gon4z
11-07-2007, 08:58 PM
The idea of Albanians winning against the Serbs without an alliance is foolish.
Well your thinking is foolish because you clearly know nothing.
Albanian military is even to Serbs we don't have an Air force but we have one of t best air defenses in Balkans excluding Greece, so we can knock down serbian tin cans out of the sky (go tot eh Albanian military thread and learn), and we are much braver, the fighting will be done in Kosova and south Serbia, which means Serbia will never ever reach the border of Albania and let alone go inside, even if they come inside which will never happen they will get slaughter their tanks will useless in our terrain and unknown territory to them.
but the fact is Albania will never go into a direct war with Serbia and neither will Serbia with Albania, Serbs will fight the Albanians of Kosova and Albanians of Kosova along with the Bosniaks of Sagjak will slaughter Serbs and we can even open a front in Bosnia.
Akinci-Raider
11-08-2007, 06:52 PM
The idea of Albanians winning against the Serbs without an alliance is foolish.Just like rusnyan-serbian aliance...Albanians would win,you know why?Cuse they are fighting to defend their homeland.....When u defend your ''house''u will do anything to protect it...and im sure that serbs will do the same to protect belgrade....after all Albanians theyre not fighting ''expansionist''war but defensive war to protect them from serbian agression.....
mustavaris
11-09-2007, 04:28 AM
The Sertbs have been proven tough. Albania couldn't even defend the Albanians from Milosevic. Of course! The Serbs would win. They shot down a U.S. B-2 in 1995.
What is this nonsense about a B2 having been shot down?
And anyway, which war was won by downing a single aircraft?
Gon4z
11-09-2007, 08:11 AM
What is this nonsense about a B2 having been shot down?
And anyway, which war was won by downing a single aircraft?
OMG i missed that part..... hahahahhahahahahhahahehehhehehehehehhuhuhuhuuh
how stupid is this guy B-2 hahhahahahhaha:laugh4::roflmao3:
From which movie was this because as far as I know only broken arrow has a downed B-2 in it and Serbs or Serbia is 6,000 miles away, they they couldent be a cast in this movie.
I heard they shot down a F-22 as well in 1995...:rolleyes2:
lol i heard they saying they won the war -_-
BornB4
11-09-2007, 07:34 PM
Serbia would destroy Albania. Albania couldn't even defend themselves from the Kosovars.
Apolonia2, his request..
11-09-2007, 08:50 PM
Serbia would destroy Albania
awww is someone getting a little cranky? http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/c/c7/Crazyfatkid.gif(that is Bornb4 by the way^^)
Serbia could destroy Albania? HAHAHH!!! We have support of NATO and US incase Albania proper gets into war. The only likely war is between UCK and Serbia. Albania will give artillery support plus sniper support if you guys get even near our border(which I doubt because almost every Kosova-Albanian has at least 100 weapons........)Our army now is almost fully modernized with G-36,new vehicles, MLRS artillery and we will soon get the L-159(which means air support too) 2010 we can take anyone except Greece.
Albania couldn't even defend themselves from the Kosovars.
What are you talking about? We are brothers. We helped Kosova.
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Please stop crying dude,I'll give you more cake I promise!!!!!!!!Just don't eat me!!!!!!!!!
Gon4z
11-09-2007, 09:29 PM
Serbia would destroy Albania. Albania couldn't even defend themselves from the Kosovars.
hahahah man your a retard
there is BornB4 \/\/\/\/\/
http://www.movv.com/prvupload/uploads/super_retard_stfu.jpg
Gon4z
11-09-2007, 09:31 PM
awww is someone getting a little cranky? http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/c/c7/Crazyfatkid.gif(that is Bornb4 by the way^^)
Serbia could destroy Albania? HAHAHH!!! We have support of NATO and US incase Albania proper gets into war. The only likely war is between UCK and Serbia. Albania will give artillery support plus sniper support if you guys get even near our border(which I doubt because almost every Kosova-Albanian has at least 100 weapons........)Our army now is almost fully modernized with G-36,new vehicles, MLRS artillery and we will soon get the L-159(which means air support too) 2010 we can take anyone except Greece.
What are you talking about? We are brothers. We helped Kosova.
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Please stop crying dude,I'll give you more cake I promise!!!!!!!!Just don't eat me!
AHHAHAHAHAHEHHEHEHEHEHHEHHUUHUHUHGAGAGAGAGAGGA
be careful dud he might eat you and the cake.
mustavaris
11-10-2007, 03:00 AM
Beware thats gona happen to you serbs.....
WasnŽt it the Serbs who first talked about bringing in the meat and asking Milosevic to bring salad... dŽoh. LotŽs of stupid posts, now also in this thread..
Serbs are done if they start another war they will get screwd much harder then they got by the other wars wich they lost lool all of their wars haha they never won 1
Relikt
11-10-2007, 10:45 AM
OMG i missed that part..... hahahahhahahahahhahahehehhehehehehehhuhuhuhuuh
how stupid is this guy B-2 hahhahahahhaha:laugh4::roflmao3:
From which movie was this because as far as I know only broken arrow has a downed B-2 in it and Serbs or Serbia is 6,000 miles away, they they couldent be a cast in this movie.
I heard they shot down a F-22 as well in 1995...:rolleyes2:
Well you are wrong. In "Broken Arrow" bomber is B-3 (what ever it meant) and it is smaller then B-2. So it seems that B-2 is still untouchable bomber.
I hear for three places where B-2 crash. All three are in different states. So it is simple propaganda. Same as NATO saying they downed 90% of our air force. Even Mig-29 (which have biggest % of loss) didnt reach 90%. Today we still have 6 (one is total unusable because of cannibalism) so we had 60 Mig-29 by NATO. This was NATO propaganda during bombing. When it end they start to talk about about real numbers. We heard story about B-2 during bombing but even then many didnt believe in that.
P.S. It is same SF as Iraq down F-117(and it seems not one but more) in Gulf War.
Relikt
11-10-2007, 11:11 AM
Well your thinking is foolish because you clearly know nothing.
Albanian military is even to Serbs we don't have an Air force but we have one of t best air defenses in Balkans excluding Greece, so we can knock down serbian tin cans out of the sky (go tot eh Albanian military thread and learn), and we are much braver, the fighting will be done in Kosova and south Serbia, which means Serbia will never ever reach the border of Albania and let alone go inside, even if they come inside which will never happen they will get slaughter their tanks will useless in our terrain and unknown territory to them.
but the fact is Albania will never go into a direct war with Serbia and neither will Serbia with Albania, Serbs will fight the Albanians of Kosova and Albanians of Kosova along with the Bosniaks of Sagjak will slaughter Serbs and we can even open a front in Bosnia.
We already consider Albanian AA. It is total failure concept. And there is really logical reason for that. First you were ally of USSR then of China. China was behind in AA tech so when Yugoslavia get SA-3 and SA-6 you were still stuck with SA-2.
If we go in some hypothetical war in 1998 I really dont see what danger for our air force could be Albanian AA if we fly higher then 5km. Question is: Who Serbian air force will be efficient from higher altitude . Well I am sure it would knock bridges without problem and stop any bigger army colon. But in direct support I really dont know.
But as I remember we werent allow to use air force even over Kosovo. It was one of US demands.
Ask paratrooper did US air force support Bosnian offensive in 1995. Did US jam Serbian communication. Did US train and prepare Croats for operation "Storm". Also JNA was capable in first and second year of war in Croatia to siege Zagreb but Milosevic said no. Why?
Because Germany pressure USA and then USA pressure Milosevic. So USA was most important party in Balkan madness.
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