Irainian power projection ships.

[SuperSixOne]

Iran has seemingly wanting to expand it's power projection capabilities. Are their any plans to build an aircraft carrier or some other type of power projection ship?

[Behrooz Boonabi]

Iran has seemingly wanting to expand it's power projection capabilities.

Not really. It just seems that way because the US is loosing theirs so fast.

[JEskandari]

aircraft career are only for those who want to make a hegemony they ahave no use in irans defencive doctorine .

[Behrooz Boonabi]

In this era, carriers are just big targets. Bad investment.

[Bella]

In this era, carriers are just big targets. Bad investment.

Jealousy at its finest!

[SuperSixOne]

Not really. It just seems that way because the US is loosing theirs so fast.

What an ignorant statement. If you knew anything about the United States abilitys you would know they were growing.

In this day and age carriers are the only effective means of power projection, without them you can do nothing but bad talk the enemy and maybe drop a few scuds on them if they are close.

Carrier's big targets? For what? Anything that can hit a carrier can also hit a destroyer, cruiser ect... We've been in 4 wars since ww2 and haven't lost a single one. I wouldn't exactly call that luck.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

What an ignorant statement. If you knew anything about the United States abilitys you would know they were growing.

Just the millitary. The US economy is shutting down and the only companies growing are in the oil secter. Economics that wont tricle down.

In this day and age carriers are the only effective means of power projection, without them you can do nothing but bad talk the enemy and maybe drop a few scuds on them if they are close.

Carriers are also a huge target.

Carrier's big targets? For what? Anything that can hit a carrier can also hit a destroyer, cruiser ect...

We are in agreement on that.

We are in agreement on that.
We've been in 4 wars since ww2 and haven't lost a single one. I wouldn't exactly call that luck.

Exept for Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan among other operations.

Is there anyway to out manuvar a barrage of supercavatational torpedoes? What ship is faster?

This is why it is a wast of money. I would be more fearfull of 1000 cheap, tiny missile ships than a giant slothy hunk of rusty ore.

Dinasours are a thing of the past. To make myself clear, if Iran was building a carrier, I would be angry.

[SuperSixOne]

[QUOTE=Behrooz Boonabi;138702]Just the millitary. The US economy is shutting down and the only companies growing are in the oil secter. Economics that wont tricle down.
Carriers are also a huge target
Is there anyway to out manuvar a barrage of supercavatational torpedoes? What ship is faster?
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You forget that modern carriers do 36+knots

They are very fast, and our economy is doing just fine, wish I could say the same for yours.

[Abu-Jihad]

We can examine them through future probable war :D They had not any serious war in a place like Persian gulf . However a 100 Knot missile is very faster than 36 Knot of course .

[Behrooz Boonabi]

You forget that modern carriers do 36+knots[/IMG]
To be defenceable the carrier needs to be much faster. In the relm of 150kph

[QUOTE=SuperSixOne;138708]hey are very fast, and our economy is doing just fine, wish I could say the same for yours.

It is not doing fine. Even Halliburton is moving, stock market crashed recently. Semiconducter industry is downsizing ond building new fabs elsware, at the same time, shuting them down and reducing in the US. American students are not recieving much financial aid as the rest of the word that is producing more scientists. Not enough docters. Terrable heathcare. No chance in social security. Massive national debt. China saved the US from a recession, yes, China. It is too easy to go on and on.

Dont get me wrong, I like Americans and America, just not corrupted governments that monger wars for their leaders personal bank accounts. Insteed of bothering Iran, spend the energy throwing these guys out and fix the infastructure that made the US successful.

Irans economy is not great but at least it is showing rapid growth and is 21 in the world. Much more livable than most countries.

[V.I.P]

http://www.irandefence.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5349&stc=1&d=1174810858

it's only photo's of American ship's but the point ther are very big and easy to attack...

[Jadeite]

Not really. You have to get past all their escorts first, and the vast amount of electronic warfare and countermeasure capability (including devices that simulate false radar images of targets to confuse missiles), along with point defense capability, drones and decoys, and of course, offensive weaponry.

And of course, you have to manage to fire first before your weapon can even attempt to get past all that. The US military usually doesn't allow that to happen. Chances are good that an enemy weapons installation would be destroyed or blinded before it gets a chance to fire.

[Spartacus]

In my opinion Iran doesn't need a carrier. Iranian military spending must remain focused on more relevant aspects, i.e. air force, air defense and missile programs.

[Rattler]

In this era, carriers are just big targets. Bad investment.
That is true. They are a big responsibility and a huge portion of defense have to defend them which is costly and undesirable.

Irtan would be much better off with Akula submarines.:)

[Behrooz Boonabi]

Not really. You have to get past all their escorts first,

No, at the same time if there is a powerful missile force involved.


and the vast amount of electronic warfare and countermeasure capability (including devices that simulate false radar images of targets to confuse missiles), along with point defense capability, drones and decoys, and of course, offensive weaponry. [/QUOTE]

All well known technology. If the US built it, the world has the plans due to poor security. For another country with good security, it may work, not in this decade.

And of course, you have to manage to fire first before your weapon can even attempt to get past all that.

It is much easyer to protect sites that are built way too deep for even nuclear weapons to penetrate. On top of that, dont let your enemy in the country to find there location. Homelands are easyer to protect.

The US military usually doesn't allow that to happen. Chances are good that an enemy weapons installation would be destroyed or blinded before it gets a chance to fire.

It depends on your enemy. take Iran for instance, the US doesnt even know where the sites are and they are built way to deep underground masking mobile units. Too deep for nuclear weapons.


All a country needs to have against carriers is a small missile and torpeado force (the right stuff), they can by from Russia, China or Iran. One of these countries will probibly sell to them or they can get it 3rd party. It is a big wast of money that could be used to bring a failing edjucational system back to life bring with it technology. :)

[SuperSixOne]

That is true. They are a big responsibility and a huge portion of defense have to defend them which is costly and undesirable.

Irtan would be much better off with Akula submarines.:)

Akula submarines are way too loud and too expensive $$$ (they are built out of titanium). A carrier would acctually be a pretty good asset for iran, it can sit hundreds (sometimes thousands) of miles off an enemy's shore and launch offensive fire power.

It would be cool to see one some day.

[SuperSixOne]

[QUOTE=SuperSixOne;138708]You forget that modern carriers do 36+knots[/IMG]
To be defenceable the carrier needs to be much faster. In the relm of 150kph



It is not doing fine. Even Halliburton is moving, stock market crashed recently. Semiconducter industry is downsizing ond building new fabs elsware, at the same time, shuting them down and reducing in the US. American students are not recieving much financial aid as the rest of the word that is producing more scientists. Not enough docters. Terrable heathcare. No chance in social security. Massive national debt. China saved the US from a recession, yes, China. It is too easy to go on and on.

Dont get me wrong, I like Americans and America, just not corrupted governments that monger wars for their leaders personal bank accounts. Insteed of bothering Iran, spend the energy throwing these guys out and fix the infastructure that made the US successful.

Irans economy is not great but at least it is showing rapid growth and is 21 in the world. Much more livable than most countries.


Do you believe everything you hear? The stock market hasn't crashed, we arn't in some great depression. Our healthcare works just fine for people who acctually have it. Our national debt might be high but we also have the highest GDP by quite a margin. The country dosn't depend on social security, if it did we would be the poorest country on the face of the planet. The average check is like $400 a month, no one can depend on that and we all don't expect to.

Granted I don't like bush either and absolutly hate cheyney. But niether of them can run for office again and a new party is taking over (the democrats). So Iran will see us leave Iraq and reguardless of what anyone says, we didn't loose. Our objective was to remove saddam and we did it, if anything you guys should be happy as he invaded iran also and was no more than a thug looking for a break.

The U.S. isn't perfect, but hell what is?