New Submarine Purchase for Iran

[Capricorn Edge]

We all know that the Ghadir sub is a midget sub. We also know that Iranian Navy only has 3 Kilo subs. Clearly that is not enough to deter US attack on Iran. So, i propose that Iran buys new diesel subs. Below are good candidates:

Russsia: Project 636 Kilo SSK ( Iran orders more Kilos, like 4 or 6 more ).
Displacement( surface):2,000+ tons

Russia: Amur class SSK
Displacement: 1,400 tons ( Basically a mini-Kilo )

China: Song class SSK
Displacement: 1,500 tons
Good for anti-shipping and mining operations.

Overall, i think Iran should purchase an extra 6 more Kilos or buy 6 China-made Songs. Add that with Ghadir mini-subs made locally and the current 3 Kilos, and Iran gets an awesome navy with extreme deterrent power. Iran can afford these purchases because earnings from high oil prices makes it possible. So, what do you all think?

[Arman]

Until Iran's nuclear issue is fixed, Iran should put all it's money on developing/buying/producing more ballistic missiles, and air defence... nothing else... once that issue is fixed, Iran should change it's priorities to:
1. Air Force
2. Navy
3. Army

Once the nuke issue is fixed, countries will not listen to the lame U.S. Arms sanction against Iran, and will sell us anything.

[Hmmmmm....]

Not even Russia and China will sell you Ballistic Missiles or any Airdefence Systems as long as the nuclear issue isnt over. :p

[meteor]

Not even Russia and China will sell you Ballistic Missiles or any Airdefence Systems as long as the nuclear issue isnt over.
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But thats exactly what they are doing :)


Iran nuclear dispute will not affect Tor-M1 missile system sales - minister

14:35 | 13/ 01/ 2006

Print version

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MOSCOW, January 13 (RIA Novosti) - The situation around the Iranian "nuclear file" will not affect a contract on the delivery of Russian Tor-M1 air-defense systems to Iran, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said Friday.

"This is not related to and cannot be related to the Iranian nuclear file, as this deal is fully in line with all the norms of international law," Ivanov, who is also a deputy prime minister, told journalists.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060113/42992288.html

[Arman]

It takes years to come to an agreement over a sale... I know they have been talking about S-300 and some other stuff..

[MiG 31]

Not even Russia and China will sell you Ballistic Missiles or any Airdefence Systems as long as the nuclear issue isnt over. :p

what a god dam idiot.

[attitude]

Until the nuclear issue is sorted, pretty much no country is going to sell Iran much. Iran should covertly aquire Surface to Air missles through a third country. Continue building indigenous sam's and fighters and set about to aquire examples of American fighters. Venezuala has F-16's and isnt to friendly to the U.S right now. Even though they are block 15 models, pullapart a few and use the knowledge to further indigenous projects. The F-5 deriteves produced so far but more work an investment is needed. There are alot of reports that Iran can now fully assemble a F-14 from spares produced in country. Why not set up a production line and produce new modern Tomcats for the airforce with new radars, missles and engines and avionics. Iranian airforce needs to modernise and upgrade asap.
Also is it true that Iran has now built indigenous versions of the AH-1 cobra. If so build more. Does anyone know?

[Aimster]

Not even Russia and China will sell you Ballistic Missiles or any Airdefence Systems as long as the nuclear issue isnt over. :p

Stay out of this forum.

You are an idiot

[attitude]

Not even Russia and China will sell you Ballistic Missiles or any Airdefence Systems as long as the nuclear issue isnt over. :p

Major Moron

http://www.irandefence.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=259&stc=1&d=1139734855

[Capricorn Edge]

Well, in the short term, I agree that Iran should focus on developing longer-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, air defence missiles, and anti-ship missiles, but Iran must plan for the longer term and start developing a large diesel submarine weighing 3,000 tons or more. It should be capable of carrying variety of weapons to boost the Iranian Navy's strength.

Most military experts agree that a large fleet of submarines would be able to deter the most advanced militaries in the world, including the US military. If submarines are useless in deterring enemy attack, China wouldn't be alarmed if Taiwan purchases more submarines. So, if Iran gets more than a dozen Kilo-equivalent subs, Iran's chances of stopping all oil flow thru the Starits of Hormuz is 100%. With more than a dozen advanced diesel subs, Iran can sink many US Navy ships too!:D

[Arman]

Sinking a U.S. carrier is not that easy. I think you would need a nuclear explosion right under it. But if you manage to do it... even one carrier... hehe... then you have hit the U.S. very hard... :)

[tonahtiu]

Maybe Iran must build more Ghadir sub, because are more cheapest, than china o russina Subs, and the components are iranians.
The Ghadir sub must be updated with better stealth.

[GER_Mark]

iran can get our old u206's after the regime is fallen

[Capricorn Edge]

Maybe Iran must build more Ghadir sub, because are more cheapest, than china o russina Subs, and the components are iranians.
The Ghadir sub must be updated with better stealth.

Yeah, Ghadir is small and can be operated in Persian Gulf, while US Navy SSNs will not operate in shallow waters of the Gulf!:cool:

[MiG 31]

iran can get our old u206's after the regime is fallen

no thanks we dont need your help, its better for your people trying to act like us and thinking they are aryans.

[korosh_kabir]

@MIg 31
DADASHE MAN ASLAN CHERA BE IN JOJE MASHINI JAVAB MIDI.

[tonahtiu]

@MIg 31
DADASHE MAN ASLAN CHERA BE IN JOJE MASHINI JAVAB MIDI.

? :confused:

[arteshi]

I think he said why do you even answer. And what the hell does Aryans have to do with anything here? I think that Iran would benefit from 206 type subs. They may be better suited for shallow waters of Persian Gulf.:)

[Capricorn Edge]

I think he said why do you even answer. And what the hell does Aryans have to do with anything here? I think that Iran would benefit from 206 type subs. They may be better suited for shallow waters of Persian Gulf.:)

Or maybe Iran should buy Chinese-made subs. China has recently opened up its Ming-class and Song-class subs for sale, so go for 6 of these subs for operations in the Gulf of Oman, since Persian Gulf will be patrolled by small subs made by Iran.

[hammerfast]

Sinking a U.S. carrier is not that easy. I think you would need a nuclear explosion right under it. But if you manage to do it... even one carrier... hehe... then you have hit the U.S. very hard... :)

ye , big ships are very symbolic , sinking a carrier i guess is worse than killing a couple of hundreds of amerik soldis in a single day

[4X-IL]

ye , big ships are very symbolic , sinking a carrier i guess is worse than killing a couple of hundreds of amerik soldis in a single day


couple hundreds?
try 6000.

[hammerfast]

couple hundreds?
try 6000.

what? i dont get the point , what i meant was that its effect is more than killing a lot of their personnel in a short time

[hammerfast]

oh , 6000 the number of crews onboard ? !

[attitude]

oh , 6000 the number of crews onboard ? !

they have so many people on board that each carrier has its own radio and television station for the crew.
Also each American aircraft carrier has an individual post code just like a suburb does.
The hull of these aircraft carriers are over 30 centimetre's thick.
I agree that probably a nuclear weapon is the only thing capable of taking out an Aircraft carrier.
Another possibility would be doing a kamikaze run at an Aircraft carrier with one of the Kilo subs.
It would be worth losing a sub to take out an aircraft carrier

[hammerfast]

oh , 6000 the number of crews onboard ? !

i was talking about their ground troops , many of the crew may survive in a sinking , it's persian gulf not N atlantic

[4X-IL]

i was talking about their ground troops , many of the crew may survive in a sinking , it's persian gulf not N atlantic


starting at 6000 crew at the small - large - medium carriers

to 8000-10000 in the giantic ( like Lincoln)

[hammerfast]

starting at 6000 crew at the small - large - medium carriers

to 8000-10000 in the giantic ( like Lincoln)

wow , had no idea ; however i was only talking about the ship itself but these days maybe a carrier sunk by a country like iran! would help ameriks a bit in forgetting national pride :confused:

[4X-IL]

wow , had no idea ; however i was only talking about the ship itself but these days maybe a carrier sunk by a country like iran! would help ameriks a bit in forgetting national pride :confused:


as someone already said here,

Aircraft carrier is like a small city,
there is a mall inside, evreything you see on your mall, food stores, cloths, ice cream, evreything, exists there.

the place is HUGE, most of the people who are service in there probably never saw the whole place, sinking an aircraft carrier is no different than bombing a city in the US, and the US will respond as it should.

[hammerfast]

starting at 6000 crew at the small - large - medium carriers

to 8000-10000 in the giantic ( like Lincoln)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier

Crew: Ship's Company: 3,200 — Air Wing: 2,480

3200+2480 = 5680

[arteshi]

Or maybe Iran should buy Chinese-made subs. China has recently opened up its Ming-class and Song-class subs for sale, so go for 6 of these subs for operations in the Gulf of Oman, since Persian Gulf will be patrolled by small subs made by Iran.


I am not familiar with Chinese military capabilities, I have a minimal knowledge about their Military, however Iran would have a hard time obtaining such weapon systems due to sanctions and what not, also the Chinese subs are too big for an Iran without overseas bases. Where are they going to go, all the way back to your bases in the Persian Gulf ? Six subs are not that easy to operate anyway, where would the Iranians get the training? Spare parts and training are essential. I also think that the Ming class is a Kilo class derivative is it not? So it still would be too big. As far as small subs patrolling the Persian Gulf, why would you do that when you have no air power whatsoever and could not protect even one of the main airbases.
Btw I did not know the Iranians made subs, what are they? what is the armament. I read that the Iranians make some type of fiberglass submersible as well. Can anyone tell me if the Iranians have any kind of shipbuilding industry capable of at least conducting basic maintenance of subs or any other vessel ?:)

[arteshi]

My bad, I just saw some stuff about Iranian navy on the navy forum. Still no specs on weaponry. Where did the Iranian procure their hovercrafs?:)

[RPG-29]

Whatabout Irans nuclear submarine projects??
Do you have any?
Nuclear submarine in Indian ocean...
That would really mess up supply chain of Usa going into gulf,oil tankers going out....

[Snauhi]

Whatabout Irans nuclear submarine projects??
Do you have any?
Nuclear submarine in Indian ocean...
That would really mess up supply chain of Usa going into gulf,oil tankers going out....

Iran wont be able to get those in a time

[Capricorn Edge]

Whatabout Irans nuclear submarine projects??
Do you have any?
Nuclear submarine in Indian ocean...
That would really mess up supply chain of Usa going into gulf,oil tankers going out....

Maybe Iran has allocated a special defence budget in 2002 to start developing a nuclear submarine. Iranian Navy's first-of-class nuclear submarine is supposed to be operational by 2016 and Iranian Navy will have 6 nuclear submarines by 2025.