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BuffaloSoldier
02-26-2006, 04:56 AM
Fact about the fastest military fighter ever built. The MIG 25
• The MiG-25 was built primarily of nickel-steel, and not titanium as supposed. Some titanium was used in heat-critical areas. The steel construction contributed to its massive 64,000 lb (29 t) unarmed weight.
• Welding was done by hand and construction was relatively crude. Like most Soviet aircraft, in areas that would not adversely affect aerodynamic drag, rivet heads were left exposed.
• The majority of the on-board avionics was based on vacuum tube technology, not solid-state electronics. Though the Mig-25's electronics were ridiculed in the West, many experts found it ingenious and quite practical to use vacuum tubes as, compared with transistor technology, they were less suceptible to radiation (for example, EMP) in case of nuclear warfare. More practically, however, the vacuum tubes were easy to replace in remote northern airfields where sophisticated transistorized parts may not have been readily available. As with all Russian aircraft, the MiG-25 was designed to be as rugged as possible.
Pilots were forbidden to engage the radar on the ground, and legend held that it was powerful enough to kill rabbits near runways.
The airspeed indicator was redlined at Mach 2.8, and pilots were required not to exceed Mach 2.5. The Americans had witnessed a MiG-25 flying at Mach 3.2 over Israel in 1973.
The MiG-25's acknowledged combat record by the West is one F/A-18 Hornet during the First Gulf War, when an Iraqi MiG-25PD shot down a U.S. Navy F/A-18C on January 17, 1991, 29 nautical miles southeast of Baghdad. In that particular instance, the MiG 25 was able to evade other attacking aircraft with impunity, due to its ability to make a high speed escape.
Aimster
02-26-2006, 08:16 AM
F/A-18C on January 17, 1991 - No F/A-18C was lost due to air-air combat.
Sorry.
MiG 31
02-26-2006, 12:43 PM
mig-25 was to counter super-sonic bombers like the US had (SR-71).
AK-101
02-26-2006, 01:21 PM
F/A-18C on January 17, 1991 - No F/A-18C was lost due to air-air combat.
Sorry.
If I am correct, no American aircraft were lost in air to air combat. What remained of their aircraft, mirage f'1s, couple of mig-29s, and the mig-25's, were shot down.
Hands down, the mig-25 is one of my favorite russian planes, next to the mig-31 and the prototype mig-35.
BuffaloSoldier
02-26-2006, 08:37 PM
This is to Aimster and AK 101
You guys better check and re-check the facts. Go to the Pentagon web site and look for the US Pilot Michael Scott Speiche.
It says: American intelligence agencies have been investigating reports that the pilot, Michael Scott Speicher, may be alive and in captivity in Iraq.
Lt Commander Speicher was listed as killed in action after his F/A-18C fighter jet was downed in a fireball over Iraq on 17 January 1991 - the first week of the Gulf War.
He was pulverised and become dust in the Iraq desert. Thats why they can't find him. Ashes 2 ashes, dust 2 dust.
Patria o Muerte: Venceremos
AK-101
02-26-2006, 08:43 PM
This is to Aimster and AK 101
You guys better check and re-check the facts. Go to the Pentagon web site and look for the US Pilot Michael Scott Speiche.
It says: American intelligence agencies have been investigating reports that the pilot, Michael Scott Speicher, may be alive and in captivity in Iraq.
Lt Commander Speicher was listed as killed in action after his F/A-18C fighter jet was downed in a fireball over Iraq on 17 January 1991 - the first week of the Gulf War.
He was pulverised and become dust in the Iraq desert. Thats why they can't find him. Ashes 2 ashes, dust 2 dust.
Patria o Muerte: Venceremos
not to be rude but u need to check and recheck because that says nothing about air to air combat. That could have been a sam or AAA.
Musa a.s.
02-27-2006, 09:40 AM
Fact about the fastest military fighter ever built. The MIG 25
• The MiG-25 was built primarily of nickel-steel, and not titanium as supposed. Some titanium was used in heat-critical areas. The steel construction contributed to its massive 64,000 lb (29 t) unarmed weight.
• Welding was done by hand and construction was relatively crude. Like most Soviet aircraft, in areas that would not adversely affect aerodynamic drag, rivet heads were left exposed.
• The majority of the on-board avionics was based on vacuum tube technology, not solid-state electronics. Though the Mig-25's electronics were ridiculed in the West, many experts found it ingenious and quite practical to use vacuum tubes as, compared with transistor technology, they were less suceptible to radiation (for example, EMP) in case of nuclear warfare. More practically, however, the vacuum tubes were easy to replace in remote northern airfields where sophisticated transistorized parts may not have been readily available. As with all Russian aircraft, the MiG-25 was designed to be as rugged as possible.
Pilots were forbidden to engage the radar on the ground, and legend held that it was powerful enough to kill rabbits near runways.
The airspeed indicator was redlined at Mach 2.8, and pilots were required not to exceed Mach 2.5. The Americans had witnessed a MiG-25 flying at Mach 3.2 over Israel in 1973.
The MiG-25's acknowledged combat record by the West is one F/A-18 Hornet during the First Gulf War, when an Iraqi MiG-25PD shot down a U.S. Navy F/A-18C on January 17, 1991, 29 nautical miles southeast of Baghdad. In that particular instance, the MiG 25 was able to evade other attacking aircraft with impunity, due to its ability to make a high speed escape.
AllahuAkbar!!!!!!!:D
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=919&page=2&highlight=Iran
RPG-29
03-05-2006, 04:59 PM
MiG-31 is faster than the predecessor MiG-25.
The Russians did testing at kapystin-jar north of Krasnojarsk in witch foxhound flew 3.37 Mach.Oufcource the west underestimated foxhound the same way they overestimated foxbat and the first max speed counters were given at 2.4 Mach but that turned out to be its supersonic afterburner cruise speed:) ...
sagem
03-06-2006, 11:48 AM
F/A-18C on January 17, 1991 - No F/A-18C was lost due to air-air combat.
Sorry.
The F/A-18C Hornet shot down was flown by Scott Speicher. His aircraft was hit by an AA-6 Acrid AAM. The US Navy now officially acknowledges that Speicher was shot down in an air to air engagement over Iraq.
Several MIG-25's were shot down by coalition forces during Gulf War 1.
Janbaz
03-06-2006, 01:23 PM
The Fifth Generation Airplane: Russia Is Preparing a Response to the U.S.A. F-22 Raptor
Two fifth generation fighters will be created in Russian, the air force commander-in-chief, Vladimir Mikhaylov, has reported. One of them is being created by the Sukhoy firm which had been thought about earlier as the PAK FA project (the future tactical aviation aircraft complex), which is also known under the designation I-21. The second airplane is supposed to be a lightened version of the first – instead of two engines, there will be only one installed on it. “One doesn’t always have to ride in a Mercedes,” the CinC explained jokingly, “sometimes an Oka is better.” In the rest, then, both variants almost are identical – in particular, they will be equipped with the same avionics.
The I-21 may be lifted into the air as early as this year. In any case, the first flight will take place precisely in 2007, Mikhaylov reported. According to him, they already are “blasting” this airplane in a wind tunnel. Financing, as always, remains the main problem for the project’s realization. The Sukhoy corporation is being torn right now between this project and the program for the creation of the civilian RRJ ((in Latin letters)) (the Russian regional airplane.)
Research assistant Ruslan Aliev of the Center of Strategy and Technologies (AST) comments on news about the rapid appearance into the Russian air force inventory of the fifth generation airplane specially for KM.RU.
-- It is known that the U.S. is right now in the final stage of the development of a fifth generation combat airplane. How competitive will its Russian analogue be?
-- One must start from the fact that not one of the experts knows what sort of airplane this will be. And for the time being, there is no precise official data which touches on the characteristics of this airplane. It even is not know how it will look.
-- Air force commander-in-chief Vladimir Mikhaylov promised journalists that in the very near future interested people will get acquainted with its design ((DIZAYN)). Air force headquarters has no secrets in this sense.
- -- Well there still are things they haven’t shown… I only can say that the similar Joint Strike fighter ((in English)) joint American-European program already has nearing completion and it even already is known when the airplane will be delivered into the inventory. In particular, in 2008, this airplane will join the American troops. It even already is known how much approximately it will cost – from 37 million dollar to 50 million dollars in 2002 prices. So, with the exception of the purely engineering data, it is an absolutely unclassified ((OTKRYTYY)) project. It is not known how much we are spending on this program. It is understood only that it is much less. It is enough to look at how many funds are being allocated in our country per year within the framework of the state defense order, then we will comprehend that the number are absolutely incommensurable. The Sukhoy Aviation Holding Company is involved with these developments and it is impossible to say precisely how much they are spending. This also is classified information.
-- Is there the possibility of attracting private investments in this sphere?
-- Generally this holding company is a joint stock company with the 100 percent participation of the state. So even from the point of view of its organizational and legal structure, the attraction of private investments has been excluded.
-- What combat and flight characteristics should the fifth generation airplane possess?
-- The generation to which this airplane belongs depends not on how the air force commander-in-chief positions it, but is dependent on its correspondence to a number of objective criteria. In the first place, this is the integration of the aircraft’s electronics. That is, the pilot doesn’t keep track of the instrument displays himself, but artificial intelligence does it for him in part which gives an overall picture of what is happening. And it even may suggest, for example, which targets need to be attacked first. A second parameter is the ability to fly for a long time at supersonic speed (the so-called “cruising” speed.) And, finally, one can name low-observability in all wave regions as an additional characteristic.
-- That is, is it a question of Stealth ((in English)) technology?
-- Yes, precisely.
-- If we imagine that this project really (in the words of Vladimir Mikhaylov) is close to completion and the new airplane (once again in his words) “will be lifted into he air not later than 2007,” then will we be able to take the lead over the U.S., having begun to open up the export markets first?
-- The thing is that the F-35 (Joint Strike Fighter) ((all in English)) already has been included in plans for delivery to the American military in 2008. Our analogue will only be taking off in 2007. That is, is it a matter only of the start of tests. And right now it is impossible even to propose how much time will pass before the airplane will be ready for series production. Because, I shall repeat, this is an awfully complex and expensive project. It is enough just to look at how long we have been created the united airplane building company in order to understand that our aircraft industry is not ready to “lift” such project quickly as the creation of a fifth generation airplane. Even in view of the fact that the president himself has been intervening in the creation process of this integrated holding company. Considering this, not one expert will tell you how much time preparation for the production of this airplane may take.
-- What are the export prospects for this model, if one assumes that Russia is able to obtain such an airplane over the next several years?
-- When the aircraft nevertheless has been created, then those countries which traditionally buy Russian equipment will be its niche. These may be Peru and Venezuela, Vietnam, China and India.
-- Will Russia sell to the two latter one finished airplanes or the technology? -- It is hard to say. But, most likely, it will become a subject of long and difficult negotiations. Because recently there has been a direct tendency, where China and India refuse to receive already built examples of military equipment. And they don’t even want to manufacture it under license. They intend to participate in the development. That is, they are receiving access to the new technologies with the own money. The Americans, by the way, are coming into conflict with the very same problem where their European partners insist upon a similar participation mechanism. I can say precisely that the Russian airplane will occupy 20 – 30 percent of the market already starting only from the quality and lower price.
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