Americans are NOT stupid - with subtitles (This is hilarious)

[flo1989]

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:laugh4: :roflmao3:

here the link if it doesn't load

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

[NEWUSER]

wow, no matter how many times i see this, it still shocks me!

[Hawk_nr1]

shocking .. how many procent of America is this?

[Vladimir80]

This isn't real... no one this stupid. It is Australian satire show called CNNNN that make fun of American media.

[NEWUSER]

This isn't real... no one this stupid. It is Australian satire show called CNNNN that make fun of American media.

Don't be so sure

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[Vladimir80]

While that is entertaning what you expect Americans to know about Canada when they don't know about they own country? Many people caught the satire and alot was scripted, kind of takes the fun out of making fun of Americans. Borat does much better job because them people really fell for it. They isn't stupid just ignorant.

[NEWUSER]

While that is entertaning what you expect Americans to know about Canada when they don't know about they own country? Many people caught the satire and alot was scripted, kind of takes the fun out of making fun of Americans. Borat does much better job because them people really fell for it. They isn't stupid just ignorant.

I completely disagree.. Borat was out to insult Americans not to show them as smart or stupid, strictly to insult them and Borat did a fine job at dissing Americans..

On other hand, these TV shows are showing some Americans as they really are, unaware of the rest of the world outside their border, completely oblivious on various topics and worse of yet some of these people actually vote; that should explain BUSH in power.

Take it or leave it, there are many many uneducated Americans...

[Vladimir80]

Take it or leave it, there are many many uneducated Americans...

I don't disagree with you here... Americans are uneducated but that don't make them stupid. That makes them ignorant. There is a difference.

[EvilCapitalist]

I completely disagree.. Borat was out to insult Americans not to show them as smart or stupid, strictly to insult them and Borat did a fine job at dissing Americans..

On other hand, these TV shows are showing some Americans as they really are, unaware of the rest of the world outside their border, completely oblivious on various topics and worse of yet some of these people actually vote; that should explain BUSH in power.

Take it or leave it, there are many many uneducated Americans...
Hah! America has the second highest number in the world for the amount of people attending college or university/per 1,000 people.

Secondly, in the last two elections, the other choice against Bush was even worse then Bush himself!

Third, I'm certain that if this wasn't scripted, Americans would not only do better then the majority of the world but would beat Iranians themselves. Americans have much higher IQ's on average then Iranians too.

...um, and I fail to see how Borat disses Americans? If you failed to see the movie, it disses non Americans, namely Kazakhstanians...

[NEWUSER]

Americans have much higher IQ's on average then Iranians too.

:roflmao3: What a joke...

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[EvilCapitalist]

:roflmao3: What a joke...
The average American's IQ is 98. The average Iranian's IQ is 86.

http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm

Anything else?

[Vladimir80]

Hah! America has the second highest number in the world for the amount of people attending college or university/per 1,000 people.

When sizable percent of your university population graduate from schools like University of Phoenix that don't mean much. :worried2:


Secondly, in the last two elections, the other choice against Bush was even worse then Bush himself!

Gore/Kerry worse than Bush... I doubt that.



Third, I'm certain that if this wasn't scripted, Americans would not only do better then the majority of the world but would beat Iranians themselves. Americans have much higher IQ's on average then Iranians too.

Saying Americans have higher IQs is racist BS. :frown3:

No one is superior to other country intelligence. America among worst educated industrialized countries in the world. You better check yourself mister capitalist. No more nationalist superiority complex thanx. :huh2:


...um, and I fail to see how Borat disses Americans? If you failed to see the movie, it disses non Americans, namely Kazakhstanians...


If you fail to see how Borat dissed Americans you blind. :worried2:

[EvilCapitalist]

When sizable percent of your university population graduate from schools like University of Phoenix that don't mean much. :worried2:
And why is that?

Gore/Kerry worse than Bush... I doubt that.
I would still rather vote for Bush then Gore, who would use the whitehouse as a global climate change platform instead of serving American interests first, and Kerry...who gets Botox injections and is quite too liberal even for me (a liberal).

Saying Americans have higher IQs is racist BS. :frown3:
How is it racist when it's true? Oh, and America beats Russia too.

No one is superior to other country intelligence. America among worst educated industrialized countries in the world. You better check yourself mister capitalist. No more nationalist superiority complex thanx. :huh2:
Keep telling yourself that. The facts say America is among the best educated in the world.

If you fail to see how Borat dissed Americans you blind. :worried2:
It was a simple comedy movie developed and produced by a few people from holywood. You people really read into things like this too much.

[Ragnarok]

Some people are ignorant, and it really doesn't matter where you are in the world they can be found with ease. America has a poor public education system(for how much goes into it), but on the other hand we have the very best university system. This creates a huge disparity between the common person and the university educated.

Even so, university education doesn't assure that a person will have a well rounded knowledge base, and this is especially true in foreign matters. The common American is merely living in a very small world encompassed by work, family, community, basic needs, and desires. In this scope a country like Turkey could instantly cease to exist and it would change nothing about that person's life. This detachment with the outside world has everything to do with the geographical, political, and economical position the US occupies.

I do not excuse it, but I would have those that see this video understand that it has been tailored to be entertaining and doesn't represent the country as a whole.

[Vladimir80]

Some people are ignorant, and it really doesn't matter where you are in the world they can be found with ease. America has a poor public education system(for how much goes into it), but on the other hand we have the very best university system. This creates a huge disparity between the common person and the university educated.

America's trend to for-profit universities is making your university population more ingorant. They is diploma-mills that you buy your degree and pretend to go to class. The fact that your nation even allows accreditation of such schools shows you university graduates is dumber than ever. Your capitalist system don't serve you well in educuation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/education/11phoenix.html?ei=5088&en=5c8573d57de4bffe&ex=1328850000&pagewanted=all

[Behrooz Boonabi]

This isn't real... no one this stupid. It is Australian satire show called CNNNN that make fun of American media.

Unfortunently, they are. Not everybody but quite alot.

[Oriellien]

I was watching Jay Leno last night, they did the same thing. Its all scripted. Everyone in the audience knew the answers, but when he went outside to ask the same question no one knew. Obviously fake.

[Ragnarok]

Those institutions do not constitute a trend as most realize the degree is worth less than the paper it is printed on. Regardless of the failings of such for profit universities no other nation has a better university system.

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm

Capitalism has failed in ways few can understand, but any of the other alternatives that have been introduced and institutionalized over the existence of humanity would have failed tragically better. A new way, if there is to be one, demands an imagination unreal, a compassion earnest, and an effort unrelenting.

[Vladimir80]

Keep telling yourself that. The facts say America is among the best educated in the world.


You Americans aren't as educated as you think you are.

US ranks below 30 out of 41 industrialized nations. Russia ranks higher than US... :roflmao3:


1) Mathmatics

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2) Critical Thinking/Problem Solving

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[EvilCapitalist]

You Americans aren't as educated as you think you are.

US ranks below 30 out of 41 industrialized nations. Russia ranks higher than US... :roflmao3:


1) Mathmatics

2) Critical Thinking/Problem Solving


1. Fix your URLS. I managed to view them but it'd be much easier if you just fixed them by taking the URL, selecting the text, and clicking the "insert URL" button and inserted them on the text itself.

2. I'd like to see an explanation of exactly what those tests are measuring, how they were performed, etc.

3. Here are some links on my part to support the following claims:

-U.S. has the highest percentage of people attending college or university

"and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_South_Korea

There are many more sources for this, just do a google search.

-US has a higher IQ then Iran and Russia.

The USA is 98, Russia is 96, and Iran is 84.
http://www.answers.com/topic/iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations

[Vladimir80]

1. Fix your URLS. I managed to view them but it'd be much easier if you just fixed them by taking the URL, selecting the text, and clicking the "insert URL" button and inserted them on the text itself.

2. I'd like to see an explanation of exactly what those tests are measuring, how they were performed, etc.

I put it into insert link... could you demonstrate please?

Here is the source, it is pretty authoritative...

http://www.oecd.org/document/50/0,3343,en_32252351_32236173_37627442_1_1_1_1,00.html



3. Here are some links on my part to support the following claims:

-U.S. has the highest percentage of people attending college or university

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_South_Korea

There are many more sources for this, just do a google search.

I don't doubt it, US students go to online schools where they do nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG5Ip9BjU3Y


-US has a higher IQ then Iran and Russia.

The USA is 98, Russia is 96, and Iran is 84.
http://www.answers.com/topic/iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations



Actually Russia gone up to 97... soon we will surpass static US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

[Behrooz Boonabi]

-US has a higher IQ then Iran and Russia.

The USA is 98, Russia is 96, and Iran is 84.
http://www.answers.com/topic/iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations

If you take away all the forigners, the US would have an IQ of about 40.

Just taking Iranians out, US technology would plummet.

[Ricardo]

Americans, stupids? Or democratically ignorants?


Americans are not stupid. Ignorant, yes, but not stupid. Our brains have been washed, but most of us aren't brainless. The trouble with people in power? They believe we're stupid. If we were, we'd never learn; but we do, and when we do there's usually hell to pay for those who thought us stupid.

It took years before the message sunk in that we were fighting a losing war in Vietnam - a war we had no business getting into in the first place. During that war, we had enough of our young coming home in body bags that we shouldn't even have been as ignorant as we were for as long as we were; but then, as I said, we're slow learners.

Americans are just beginning to waken to the reality of the "pre-emptive war" in Iraq. (Don't you just love that idiotic justifying expression: "pre-emptive war")? We were very slow learning that there was nothing to pre-empt. No weapons of mass destruction; no connection with Al-Qaeda; not a chance in hell of Iraq posing any danger to the USA.

Ignorant, yes. A July Harris Poll reported that 50 per cent of Americans still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when Bush invaded that country, and that 64 per cent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links with Al Qaeda.

The command in charge (translate: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al) lied and lied and lied. Congress believed their lies, and they voted to pre-empt even though they didn't quite know what they were pre-empting - some unclear and un-present danger.

Now comes the strange part: the rest of the world (except for the other imperial clown in London) sat quieter than a mouse in the presence of cats. After all, the "shock and awe" cadre weren't asking anyone else to contribute to the fireworks show.

The pre-emption mongers were quite capable of managing their own bloodbaths without any noise coming from Foggy Bottom blowhards or their counterparts in the UN. There's not much excuse for that lot's duplicity. They couldn't even claim ignorance!

On the other hand, the great majority of the American public remains in the Land of Oz, having been deceived by years of propaganda. Only unbridled ignorance can explain what happened in Lebanon.

According to one commentator, "Israel has to date recklessly cultivated a reputation for being immune to international law or humanitarian norms, and its outrages continue to be condoned as 'self-defence' under an umbrella of impunity afforded by the protective embrace of the US government."

A new Harris Poll measures the attitudes of US adults toward 13 countries and eight leaders and organizations in the Middle East. Unsurprisingly, these countries and leaders are perceived very differently. Most people (75 per cent) see Israel as either a close ally or a friend. With friends like that, we're slowly learning how a democratic society acquires enemies.

Two more of the Harris poll results reveal how slowly and laboriously we Americans learn:

Fully 88 per cent of the public regard the government of Libya as unfriendly (including 39 per cent who see it as unfriendly and an enemy, and 49 per cent who recognize it as not friendly but not an enemy), although American relations with Libya are now - after many years of hostility - far more amicable.

Fully 82 per cent of the public see the Iraqi government as not friendly, including 52 per cent who see it as an enemy. Seventy-seven per cent regard the Afghan government as unfriendly. In both countries, of course, American troops are fighting to keep these governments in power.

How can a "democracy" like America's function so ineffectively? More than two-thirds of the population wallows in ignorance. How can America do any more than wear the meaningless label "democracy" when the regime in power in America believes that the public is stupid and resolves to keep us that way?

We live in the illusion of democracy. People living in a real democracy are informed. They know what their leaders and representatives are up to; and when the leaders get out of line, they get voted out of office.

Following an earlier article, I received an email from an informed reader from democratic Sweden that said: "An electronic handshake right across the world-wide web for your excellent article 'The Pot and the Kettle'. Keep up the good work"! For the article, click here.

How could the "informed" American public possibly allow the US administration and Congress to get away with the travesty of their support for the carnage that ravaged Lebanon?

The answer? They've been subjected to the brainwashing of Zionist organizations in America that tell them the most ridiculous things. Note this, from another letter I received following the same article:

"You wrote: 'Hezbollah whipped one of the strongest militaries in the world.' I doubt this because Hezbollah backed off very quickly.'" What fairy tales has this fellow been reading? Some propaganda machine has been creating illusions about what what's been happening in Lebanon.

"Besides," he adds, "the ground campaign by Israel was delayed. In a protracted campaign, Israel would crush Hezbollah if it wanted to, especially in view of Israel's increasingly effective arms blockade of shipments from Syria." Never mind the fact that it didn't work, and wouldn't.

"And in the long run," he concludes, "no Arab militant group will achieve it's (sic) maniacal obsession to defeat Israel - because they, and their nation-hosts, would be obliterated by nuclear bombs. (Do these fanatics have a death wish??)" Almost unbelievable! If nothing else works, nuke 'em! He signs it H.S. Kramer. The Kramers come from a long-standing "unbiased" tribe.

During 34 days of relentless aerial bombardment and a ground invasion, Israel's brutal assault on Lebanon's civilian population was fully supported by our democratically unelected leaders and congressional representatives. They must have figured we were stupid.

By the end of the Israeli assaults, 800 to 1000 Lebanese had been slaughtered, at least 45 per cent of whom were children. Hundreds of thousands had been forced to leave their homes. How could we let something like this happen in an informed democracy?

With the aid of US-supplied weapons, Israel rained destruction upon civilians unable to defend themselves or even flee. Israeli bombs (or were they American?) destroyed 97 roads, 75 bridges, four airports, seven seaports, 8000 residential dwellings, five hospitals, 14 factories, 27 petrol stations, nine army barracks.

How much of this did we know about in our ignorant bliss? Or were we really happy to read and hear about this carnage as if it was just another action film seen at a safe distance from the land of the free and brave?

What makes matters worse is that we're exporting American democracy! Only we don't know how to teach the importer's natives to behave and act stupid like we do. It may have something to do with the fact that they haven't yet been kept in near-total ignorance.

I can't help wondering what it would be like to have a resistance like the Iraqis or Palestinians in America. But then, we're not under occupation. Or are we?

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Paul Balles is a retired American university professor and freelance writer who has lived in the Middle East for 38 years. For more information, see http://www.pballes.com and http://www.writerfreelance.com

[Oriellien]

I put it into insert link... could you demonstrate please?

Here is the source, it is pretty authoritative...

http://www.oecd.org/document/50/0,3343,en_32252351_32236173_37627442_1_1_1_1,00.html




I don't doubt it, US students go to online schools where they do nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG5Ip9BjU3Y



Actually Russia gone up to 97... soon we will surpass static US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

Barely any students go to line schools. And thanks for your estimate, but its pointless because IQ's change every year.

To Behrooz: If you took out all the foreigners it wouldnt be the US.

[Vladimir80]

Barely any students go to line schools. And thanks for your estimate, but its pointless because IQ's change every year.

3.2 million in 2005 with 30% annual growth rate. Out of 15 million in higher ed your country is doomed to ignorance.

Source "Sloan Foundation"

[Oriellien]

3.2 million in 2005 with 30% annual growth rate. Out of 15 million in higher ed your country is doomed to ignorance. :roflmao3:

Source "Sloan Foundation"

Considering how many students graduate high school in any given 4 year period... those are probaly mainly ex cons or immigrants, or other adults who havent recieved a previous college degree. No parent would send their children to online college :roflmao3:

College enrollment rates are going up. So no, its not doomed.

The following doesnt include online.

In October 2006, 65.8 percent of high school graduates from the class of
2006 were enrolled in colleges or universities, according to data released
today by the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics. Since
2001, the college enrollment

[Vladimir80]

Considering how many students graduate high school in any given 4 year period... those are probaly mainly ex cons or immigrants, or other adults who havent recieved a previous college degree. No parent would send their children to online college :roflmao3:

College enrollment rates are going up. So no, its not doomed.

It's up because all the new enrollments are going to online school... 30% growth, it will soon be dominant method of schooling. Unless you government clamp down on these fake degrees college education from US will be worthless. You government want education for all no matter how dumb they are. That why these enrollements up because anyone can get in to get they Ph.D.

[Vladimir80]

The following doesnt include online.

In October 2006, 65.8 percent of high school graduates from the class of
2006 were enrolled in colleges or universities, according to data released
today by the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics. Since
2001, the college enrollment

So what, that doesn't tell us anything about distance education growth or decline.

[Oriellien]

So what, that doesn't tell us anything about distance education growth or decline.

http://www.educationsector.org/usr_img/ESOBoysAndGirlsFigure05.jpg

[Vladimir80]

http://www.educationsector.org/usr_img/ESOBoysAndGirlsFigure05.jpg

For all I know that includes distance learning... :worried2:

[Oriellien]

For all I know that includes distance learning... :worried2:

/shrug

Ive given up trying to find info that show both distance and on-site enrollment rates.

[Vladimir80]

/shrug

Ive given up trying to find info that show both distance and on-site enrollment rates.

I gave you the figures and the growth rate... that's why you can't find to contradict it. :smile1:

[Oriellien]

I gave you the figures and the growth rate... that's why you can't find to contradict it. :smile1:

No, I cant find anything about it at all. Like I said its impossible with how many students graduate yearly that those are mostly high school grads, plus most of online college goers are statisticially either ex-cons, immigrants, and older then 24. Straight out of high school kids go to onsite campus'.

[Vladimir80]

No, I cant find anything about it at all. Like I said its impossible with how many students graduate yearly that those are mostly high school grads, plus most of online college goers are statisticially either ex-cons, immigrants, and older then 24. Straight out of high school kids go to onsite campus'.


Here is the total enrollment break down as of 2006,

White enrollment, 10.5 million
Hispanic enrollment, 1.6 million
Black enrollment, 1.9 million.
Asian-American enrollment, 987,000
American Indian enrollment, 163,000
race or ethnicity is unknown, slightly more than 1 million

Source: "USA TODAY,10/30/2006"

As of 2006 almost 4 million of these enrollments attended online

Source: "Sloan Foundation"

American online degree seekers is an ever growing percentage of total enrollments. Be warned... your country going down the tubes and you folks don't even realize it.

[Oriellien]

Here is the total enrollment break down as of 2006,

White enrollment, 10.5 million
Hispanic enrollment, 1.6 million
Black enrollment, 1.9 million.
Asian-American enrollment, 987,000
American Indian enrollment, 163,000
race or ethnicity is unknown, slightly more than 1 million

Source: "USA TODAY,10/30/2006"

As of 2006 almost 4 million of these enrollments attended online

Source: "Sloan Foundation"

American online degree seekers is an ever growing percentage of total enrollments. Be warned... your country going down the tubes and you folks don't even realize it.

That still doesnt prove me wrong when I say online enrollee's are probaly all adults and not people graduating high school. for example ex-cons, immigrants, or people that already spent years at a university, have a job, and dont have time to go to class all over again.

In fact, if these people cant go to college, this benefits society.

[EvilCapitalist]

Here is the total enrollment break down as of 2006,

White enrollment, 10.5 million
Hispanic enrollment, 1.6 million
Black enrollment, 1.9 million.
Asian-American enrollment, 987,000
American Indian enrollment, 163,000
race or ethnicity is unknown, slightly more than 1 million

Source: "USA TODAY,10/30/2006"

As of 2006 almost 4 million of these enrollments attended online

Source: "Sloan Foundation"

American online degree seekers is an ever growing percentage of total enrollments. Be warned... your country going down the tubes and you folks don't even realize it.
LOL!

You obviously have never looked further into these studies, most of the people attending an online college program have already graduated from a real university, and are only improving their education. This means online colleges are actually benefitting the United States, something most other countries don't have. This is not a degredation to the United States, it is a valuable asset.

Furthermore, a degree which requires actual hands-on experience such as a medical degree aren't available online. Please, do some research on the subject rather then spewing out your uninformed ignorant trash.

[Oriellien]

Also, 3.75m students dont graduate from High School a year. Taken into consideration obviously its not High School grads going into these online things, because no one would do that.

[Vladimir80]

LOL!

You obviously have never looked further into these studies, most of the people attending an online college program have already graduated from a real university, and are only improving their education. This means online colleges are actually benefitting the United States, something most other countries don't have. This is not a degredation to the United States, it is a valuable asset.

Furthermore, a degree which requires actual hands-on experience such as a medical degree aren't available online. Please, do some research on the subject rather then spewing out your uninformed ignorant trash.

Most people who go to real schools are not stupid enough to dirty they resume with BS online graduate degree. There is 3 million grad students included in those statistics total so you know most are not going to online degrees. This "ignorant trash" is the facts which you have yet to refute with evidence because you can't refute the truth.

[Vladimir80]

Also, 3.75m students dont graduate from High School a year. Taken into consideration obviously its not High School grads going into these online things, because no one would do that.

Recent High school graduates don't have a thing to do with it. Many attending online have GEDs with open enrollment schools. Most are adults who have some college but never finish and want to go back but they have families so need convienience of online.

[Oriellien]

Well, then if they can go online instead of not doing anything at all, isnt that good? Meanwhile High School to College rates are rising.

[Vladimir80]

Well, then if they can go online instead of not doing anything at all, isnt that good? Meanwhile High School to College rates are rising.

High school rates rising along with online enrollments because high school diploma means nothing now. You must have masters to get good job. These people who have families think going to school online will get them that job they want but they end up getting worthless piece of paper because you can't be taught higher learning concepts online.

[NEWUSER]

U.S. falls in education rank compared to other countries
Story posted: 10-04-2005 07:07

By Elaine Wu
U-Wire

The United States is falling when it comes to international education rankings, as recent studies show that other nations in the developed world have more effective education systems.

In a 2003 study conducted by UNICEF that took the averages from five different international education studies, the researchers ranked the United States No. 18 out of 24 nations in terms of the relative effectiveness of its educational system.

Another prominent 2003 study, the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, shows a steady decline in the performance of American students from grades 4 to 12 in comparison to their peers in other countries.

In both studies, Finland, Australia, Belgium, Austria, Hungary, Netherlands and the United Kingdom beat the United States, while the Asian nations of South Korea, Japan and Singapore ranked first through third, respectively.

The TIMSS study is a comprehensive study done on a four-year cycle that measures the progress of students in math and science in 46 participating countries. It evaluates fourth, eighth and 12th-graders through questionnaires, tests and extensive videotaping of classroom environments.

The TIMSS results reveal a lot about the weaknesses of the U.S. education system, said David Marsh, a professor at the University of Southern California Rossier School of Education.

“In fourth grade, American kids do above average internationally. By eighth grade, they slip a bit, and by 12th-grade, they’ve slipped a lot,” Marsh said. “We’re the only country that slides down that much from fourth to 12th grade.”

Although studies have attempted to illuminate the reasons for this downward slide, no conclusive explanations have been drawn.

The UNICEF report finds that educational success or failure is not directly linked to funding, and that there is no clear link between student-to-teacher ratios and test results.

By international standards, the United States spends a lot of money on education, and in terms of class sizes, a lot of countries that do well have larger class sizes than the United States, Marsh said.

Marsh said that he attributes U.S. rankings to a different set of reasons —namely, the way material is being taught in classrooms.

“The United States focuses more on procedure, and we try to teach many topics fast. Other countries tend to break topics up and go much more in-depth. They work on the concept, not just the procedure,” Marsh said.

“Countries that did well in rankings focused on teaching the ideas and taught a few topics a year. Kids will learn what a fraction really is, not just how to add or subtract them.”

For example, teachers in the United States tend to teach in whole numbers, while other countries use rulers so children are able to see that there are numbers between whole numbers, Marsh said.

When kids are taught the procedure, and not the concept behind a subject, they tend to forget more quickly, he said.

Peter Luevano, assistant principal at Jefferson High School, cites different reasons for the decline in the U.S. education system.

“There are environmental factors that are involved. I think there’s a shift in the mentality of both kids and parents,” he said. “Kids value different things these days, and schools are more diverse than they were 15 or 20 years ago. We’re more open culturally, but that has caused more division rather than unity in the country. Parent involvement has also decreased, and there are also discipline factors involved. Schools have lost a lot of control.”

But the United States is taking steps toward improving education standards in the country.

In 2002, the Bush administration signed the No Child Left Behind Act, which places accountability for progress upon schools and doles out regular standardized testing. The act is geared toward encouraging higher academic achievement among students, particularly those that come from poor minority backgrounds.

But some students at USC cannot see how the law is proving effective.

“Because the only way we measure how well students do is through testing, teachers end up teaching how to take the test, and not necessarily the subject matter,” said Megan Baaske, a sophomore majoring in history and communication. “Great, students can take a test, but they don’t know anything.”

“The U.S. caters to students’ needs and wants,” said Matias Sueldo, a sophomore majoring in international relations who spent part of his education in Argentina. “Kids here learn to pass a test, but they don’t learn the concepts. In Argentina, you either know it or you don’t.”
Emily Gamelson, a junior majoring in history, thinks that the low student achievement in U.S. schools has a lot to do with the lack of competition.

“Ambition and the motivation to achieve aren’t really inspired in our education system,” Gamelson said. “Since education is available to everyone, there’s not a lot of competition in our schools. Other countries force kids to focus at an earlier age, and there’s more competition to deal with.”

Some countries offer more incentives for students to do better. In Denmark and Finland, for instance, ninth and 10th grade are separated from 11th and 12th grade, encouraging students to do better and compete to get into the higher grades.

“It’s basically the teaching system, the values and cultures of a country that underlie its education system,” Sueldo said. “Other factors like funding really have nothing to do with it.” But Luevano said that he thinks there are difficulties in even comparing U.S. schools, especially public ones, to ones abroad.

“Other countries might have a more homogenous population,” he said. “(Here) you have different cultures, different communities and kids who come from different backgrounds. You don’t have the same socioeconomic standards. It’s hard to be compared.”

Nevertheless, the published education rankings remain displeasing to some people.

“I think it’s ironic that the United States is the richest and most powerful country in the world and yet we can’t even properly educate our own students,” Baaske said. “Our priorities are in the wrong place.”

But Marsh believes we can make a change for the better.

“If we do this right, we can be a real educational leader in the world,” he said. “But the state of education in the United States is a serious situation that demands our attention.”

Source: http://kapio.kcc.hawaii.edu/upload/fullnews.php?id=52

Other sources of same report ranking the US. no. 18 of 24 nations here (http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2005/09/30/News/U.s-Falls.In.Education.Rank.Compared.To.Other.Countries-1005055.shtml) and here (http://www.dailycolonial.com/go.dc?p=3&s=1169).

Read the report Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study: http://nces.ed.gov/timss/results03.asp

Because the United States spends comparatively more than other countries on higher education, when expenditures on all levels of education are calculated -- pre-primary, primary, secondary, and post-secondary -- America is in a three-way tie for second place among the 16 industrialized countries examined within this report; however, when spending for primary and secondary education alone is compared with expenditures abroad, the U.S. ranking falls to a tie for 12th place. And when adjustments are made for enrollment size, America drops to 14th place.Read the abstract in this link (http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED318126&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=eric_accno&accno=ED318126).

[Oriellien]

High school rates rising along with online enrollments because high school diploma means nothing now. You must have masters to get good job. These people who have families think going to school online will get them that job they want but they end up getting worthless piece of paper because you can't be taught higher learning concepts online.

But, everyone else is still getting the concepts at college, so the only people it effects is the ones that go online, not everybody else.

[amir_behbahani]

Hah! America has the second highest number in the world for the amount of people attending college or university/per 1,000 people.

lol , eveyone knows what goes on the campus of an american college/university.

[amir_behbahani]

American education (primary, secondary,higher) is all about teamwork . it's just like the US army , and it's taught through cumbersome , boring labs and tutorials and homework and stuff. it takes a "student group" several hours of lab and tutorial and "group study" with papers everywhere and pizza in the middle to learn a simple physics concept.

individually american students dont know crap , an individual with considerable knowledge and original innovation is not a student , he is a nerd and is often socially presecuted.

[EvilCapitalist]

fJuNgBkloFE

:laugh4: :roflmao3:

here the link if it doesn't load

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
You know what's even funnier? The people who made the video mispelled "New Zealand"! :roflmao3:

And they're trying to call Americans stupid!!!

[flo1989]

You know what's even funnier? The people who made the video mispelled "New Zealand"! :roflmao3:

And they're trying to call Americans stupid!!!

1 mistake Vs. many

and I think this was someone else who subtitled it but I am not sure

[flo1989]

-US has a higher IQ then Iran and Russia.

The USA is 98, Russia is 96, and Iran is 84.
http://www.answers.com/topic/iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations

maybe, if you didn't realise, Americans have the time to do IQ tests, russians are very busy living in a hostile environment which is the same with Iran where people are very busy working to even support their way of life.

They don't have time for IQ tests.
oh and IQ doesn't reliably test Intelligence because it only tests you on such things as maths and logic, not on general knowledge which seems to be lacking greatly in Americans.

[THE KINKS- VILLAGE GREEN]

If Americans are stupid then what in the hell does that make most of the inhabitants of Africa!

[Vladimir80]

maybe, if you didn't realise, Americans have the time to do IQ tests, russians are very busy living in a hostile environment which is the same with Iran where people are very busy working to even support their way of life.

They don't have time for IQ tests.
oh and IQ doesn't reliably test Intelligence because it only tests you on such things as maths and logic, not on general knowledge which seems to be lacking greatly in Americans.

Russian score higher than US in Math and Critical Thinking, we only down one point on IQ and we not even trying. Just imagine how much higher if we had US money. US has no excuse for being so stupid with the educations they can afford.

[flo1989]

If Americans are stupid then what in the hell does that make most of the inhabitants of Africa!

Stop taking it out on others, and stop changing the topic from the facts.

No 1.

Most Africans are too busy working for a living (which is hard in Africa)

No 2

Africans education is not as ''good'' as yours, you have way better unis etc. but still you suck. so in other words Americans with education are no cleverer than Africans without education, maybe even dumber

[amir_behbahani]

If Americans are stupid then what in the hell does that make most of the inhabitants of Africa!

A part of the contributors to the american gene pool.

[EvilCapitalist]

And how do you all come to think Americans are stupid, while America is also the most powerful country in the world?

Sometimes an intelligent population is not a good thing to remain a powerful society.

[flo1989]

let me break it down for you.

Is Rambo an Einstein???

nope ,that's the same with you, you've got so many highschool drop-outs, which end up in the army. Why do you think your army is so big???

[Mohmar 'Deathstrike']

...um, and I fail to see how Borat disses Americans? If you failed to see the movie, it disses non Americans, namely Kazakhstanians...Congratulations! You have completely failed to understand Borat.
It was a simple comedy movie developed and produced by a few people from holywood. You people really read into things like this too much.You read into things like this too little. Before the movie, there was Ali G in da USA, which also had Borat segments in them and before that, Borat's Guide to Britain, from Da Ali G Show. The premise is basically a very chauvinistic, bigoted racist guy from a primitive third world country that nobody has ever heard about asking awkward questions and exposing bigotry, chauvinism, jingoism and racism in others. Whoever thinks the movie is supposed to mock Kazakhstan or "Kazakhstanians" is a retard.Some people are ignorant, and it really doesn't matter where you are in the world they can be found with ease. America has a poor public education system(for how much goes into it), but on the other hand we have the very best university system. This creates a huge disparity between the common person and the university educated.

Even so, university education doesn't assure that a person will have a well rounded knowledge base, and this is especially true in foreign matters. The common American is merely living in a very small world encompassed by work, family, community, basic needs, and desires. In this scope a country like Turkey could instantly cease to exist and it would change nothing about that person's life. This detachment with the outside world has everything to do with the geographical, political, and economical position the US occupies.

I do not excuse it, but I would have those that see this video understand that it has been tailored to be entertaining and doesn't represent the country as a whole.I agree, except with Turkey ceasing to exist. Something crazy like that would eventually affect the lives of anyone in the world. I'm sure you can find ignorant people in remote places in Australia too. Let's laugh at them, but not be too quick to judge them.

[Relikt]

Here is nice story.

Couple of years ago I was reading article about Mensa International (largest, oldest, and best-known high-IQ society in the world). Guess what?

On top of list were Germans and in same level Serbs. Last two were America and China.
Hm? I continue to read. And our Mensa director explain pool results. In Germany or Serbia or most of Europe on test come only people which are smart (results are secret so no one cant know what is your IQ). In America and China on test doesnt go just smart people but average and under-average smart people. So China and America have most reliable pool done on whole society not just some favor groups.

And US guys with I talk are short sighted it is consequence of school system which create robots not self aware intellectual. Also it is consequence of media.

Of course it is excellent for companies because they get work force which doesnt need time to learn job ,in my country engineer need couple of years to learn job and he will learn job only if he want to do that.

P.S. Please Americans write what you need to read for high school (what world literature).

[EvilCapitalist]

Congratulations! You have completely failed to understand Borat.You read into things like this too little. Before the movie, there was Ali G in da USA, which also had Borat segments in them and before that, Borat's Guide to Britain, from Da Ali G Show. The premise is basically a very chauvinistic, bigoted racist guy from a primitive third world country that nobody has ever heard about asking awkward questions and exposing bigotry, chauvinism, jingoism and racism in others. Whoever thinks the movie is supposed to mock Kazakhstan or "Kazakhstanians" is a retard.
Oh dear, please forgive me! I misunderstood the true Anti-American meaning behind a dim-witted Hollywood movie, and now I'm a retard!

For the parts I set in bold, Don't you realize the entire world is full of bigotry, chauvinism, jingoism and racism?

[flo1989]

Oh dear, please forgive me! I misunderstood the true Anti-American meaning behind a dim-witted Hollywood movie, and now I'm a retard!

For the parts I set in bold, Don't you realize the entire world is full of bigotry, chauvinism, jingoism and racism?

Yes, and thank YOU for spreading it, by invading most countries (and failing for a long time hehe. I think since Vietnam you have never won a war, including Vietnam)

[EvilCapitalist]

Yes, and thank YOU for spreading it, by invading most countries (and failing for a long time hehe. I think since Vietnam you have never won a war, including Vietnam)
Shows how much you know :)

GW1
Grenada
Panama

And all those other little police actions.

Did I forget to mention?

The Cold War.

[Mohmar 'Deathstrike']

Oh dear, please forgive me! I misunderstood the true Anti-American meaning behind a dim-witted Hollywood movie, and now I'm a retard!It's not anti-American. It just gives people a good laugh when *******s are exposed and makes them feel awkward when decent people are put in weird situations by Borat. Call it dim-witted if you want. I call it very funny, yet failing to reach the level of past Borat shows.

For the parts I set in bold, Don't you realize the entire world is full of bigotry, chauvinism, jingoism and racism?Yes. Why?

[flo1989]

Shows how much you know :)

GW1
Grenada
Panama

And all those other little police actions.

Did I forget to mention?

The Cold War.

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Panama
by killing loads of workers???(...indirectly, but you still killed them, when they built the canal). so no I think you didn't win.

Grenada
Panama
Doesn't look overseas to me, looks like you've just been usin old Rambo again instead of superior technologies in Air and Naval Combat (which you lack)


The Cold War
Nobody won that you EDIT. It wasn't really a war.


GW1
What is that??? never heard of it.



What about Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc. etc. (and Iraq ofcourse). Haven't won there have you



Face it you would never win Vs, Iran :wub2:

[Ragnarok]

GW1 stands for this first Gulf War with Iraq. How one defines war and the conditions of victory is entirely subject to interpretation. Despite this, none can seriously deny that America has been the dominate force in nearly all conflicts it has participated in.

America for itself defines what it considers a war and what it considers victory for a war. Sometimes through these definitions it sets itself up for failure by demanding an unrealistic outcome(as in Iraq War 2, or the action in Somalia).

As for Iran. If America's definition for victory was the replacement of the government with a long occupation and minimal casualties then yes it would fail. On the other hand if the condition for victory was the delay for Iran's Nuclear program with minimal casualties then it would be successful.

[Vladimir80]

America for itself defines what it considers a war and what it considers victory for a war. Sometimes through these definitions it sets itself up for failure by demanding an unrealistic outcome(as in Iraq War 2, or the action in Somalia).

As for Iran. If America's definition for victory was the replacement of the government with a long occupation and minimal casualties then yes it would fail. On the other hand if the condition for victory was the delay for Iran's Nuclear program with minimal casualties then it would be successful.

Every nation tries to define they own conditions but this is truly fallacy. The world knows what the score is at end of day. The definition of victory when you invade a country is to impose your will, it is that simple. US does not control all of Iraq, Afghanistan, or Somalia. They have not used enough troops and force to accomplish they goals so they lose.

[EvilCapitalist]

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


by killing loads of workers???(...indirectly, but you still killed them, when they built the canal). so no I think you didn't win.
...look at Panama today, bro. The United States won all the way.


Doesn't look overseas to me, looks like you've just been usin old Rambo again instead of superior technologies in Air and Naval Combat (which you lack)
Hahahaha :D And you call me stupid? :D

The United States beats every single country in the world in both Aviation and Navy.

The US air force dominates every aspect of the air world, while the US navy itself is larger then the rest of the world's navies combined.



Nobody won that you Idiot. It wasn't really a war.
Aww, resorting to name calling now? It most certainly was a war, hence the name the Cold War.



What is that??? never heard of it.
Again, you call me and idiot? :roflmao3:



What about Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc. etc. (and Iraq ofcourse). Haven't won there have you
Pakistan? I didn't know we fought in Pakistan! Please, do tell!

Somalia? We didn't even try to win in Somalia...

Afghanistan? Iraq? We're still fighting there, if you hadn't noticed ;)

Face it you would never win Vs, Iran :wub2:
The simple facts say the US would win, definitely.

[flo1989]

...look at Panama today, bro. The United States won all the way.



Hahahaha :D And you call me stupid? :D

The United States beats every single country in the world in both Aviation and Navy.

The US air force dominates every aspect of the air world, while the US navy itself is larger then the rest of the world's navies combined.




Aww, resorting to name calling now? It most certainly was a war, hence the name the Cold War.




Again, you call me and idiot? :roflmao3:




Pakistan? I didn't know we fought in Pakistan! Please, do tell!

Somalia? We didn't even try to win in Somalia...

Afghanistan? Iraq? We're still fighting there, if you hadn't noticed ;)


The simple facts say the US would win, definitely.

Again, you call me and idiot?

What because I didn't know what an abbreviation meant :roflmao3: Don't be ridicuous.

Somalia...ever watched Black Hawk Down??? That is based on a true story.


Pakistan? I didn't know we fought in Pakistan! Please, do tell!
Oh, sorry, meant to write Afghanistan


The simple facts say the US would win, definitely.

The simple facts also state that Iran has already won against a country (Iraq) which was backed by several other countries (like u.s.A., soviets, etc. ,with supposed better military). I grant you, that you may have better technology, but:

1) Iran relied on its people to fight...and they fought alright, and they will again, trust me.

2) The other arab countries aren't going to stand for this, I mean come on... first you invade 1 country then the next etc. ... surely they will help.

and even if they don't

3) Iran is backed by Syria, Russia, and China. ...and they have quite some military superiority.

4) Your whole carrier fleet would be destroyed, seeing as Iran has aquired low flight missiles that fly just 1-10 metres above the water, making them almost impossible to ''shoot down''.


BTW. russia has best aircraft so don't tell me u.s. has coz that's just propaganda.
the only relatively good one you have is the F16 (which is cool coz it can fly with just 1 wing :smile1: )

[USMarineInfantry]

Somalia...ever watched Black Hawk Down??? That is based on a true story.
Some of the bravest Americans died there...several medal of honors were given out. Read their story's...
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohsom.htm

The simple facts also state that Iran has already won against a country (Iraq) which was backed by several other countries (like u.s.A., soviets, etc. ,with supposed better military). I grant you, that you may have better technology, but:
This was against the Iraqi Army, and from my knowledge it was a stalemate.

1) Iran relied on its people to fight...and they fought alright, and they will again, trust me.
against battle-hardened Marines? they would get mowed down. Their best bet would be to go for IEDS and Sniper attacks all on video, to demoralize the US public. (just like Vietnam) Scoring a military victory is out of the question.

2) The other arab countries aren't going to stand for this, I mean come on... first you invade 1 country then the next etc. ... surely they will help. Wouldn't help enough to stop a US Military force. (at least not militarily, maybe politically)



3) Iran is backed by Syria, Russia, and China. ...and they have quite some military superiority. Russia wouldn't want a war with the US nor would China, Syria would probably help Iran.

4) Your whole carrier fleet would be destroyed, seeing as Iran has aquired low flight missiles that fly just 1-10 metres above the water, making them almost impossible to ''shoot down''.
almost.


BTW. russia has best aircraft so don't tell me u.s. has coz that's just propaganda.
the only relatively good one you have is the F16 (which is cool coz it can fly with just 1 wing :smile1: ) It's a safe bet to say a well trained pilot in a F-22 can destroy anything in the sky, the f16??? have you heard of an F-15, F-117, A-10, F\A-18, F-35 Lightning II (although not in full production)

[Vladimir80]

against battle-hardened Marines? they would get mowed down. Their best bet would be to go for IEDS and Sniper attacks all on video, to demoralize the US public. (just like Vietnam) Scoring a military victory is out of the question.

If you didn't get support from your Army your Marines would be slaughtered when they get inland.



Wouldn't help enough to stop a US Military force. (at least not militarily, maybe politically)

You forget several Arab countries are running around with latest US equipment. Combined they would cause a blood-bath.


Russia wouldn't want a war with the US nor would China, Syria would probably help Iran.

We were ready to invade Israel back in 1967, I don't see why we wouldn't help if the world oil supplies in danger of US monopoly.


aIt's a safe bet to say a well trained pilot in a F-22 can destroy anything in the sky, the f16??? have you heard of an F-15, F-117, A-10, F\A-18, F-35 Lightning II (although not in full production)

Once F-22 open they missile bay they is dead. F-15s obsolete, F-117 retired, A-10 is flying bathtub, F\A-18 is obsolete, F-35 is 5-7 years from delievery has bigger problem than F-22.

[aviator]

Americans are NOT stupid - Those who consider Americans as stupid are more stupid because they can't even succeed over what you call stupid people. :)

[USMarineInfantry]

If Russia does help, we can kiss the world as we know it goodbye and say hello to WW3 and a nuclear holocaust.

[Vladimir80]

If Russia does help, we can kiss the world as we know it goodbye and say hello to WW3 and a nuclear holocaust.

What do you think Bush is trying to do? :huh2:

[flo1989]

This was against the Iraqi Army, and from my knowledge it was a stalemate.

wrong and right acctually.

usa, soviets, french, and brits backed iraq officially, but us president did sell guns to iran.
it was a stalemate for 8 years long until Iran won and gained extra territory

[EvilCapitalist]

What because I didn't know what an abbreviation meant :roflmao3: Don't be ridicuous.
You could have at least looked it up on google...Don't be ridiculous.

Somalia...ever watched Black Hawk Down??? That is based on a true story.
Yeah, and the kill to death ratio was 30:1.

If the US wanted to win, and cared about Somalia, we could have.



Oh, sorry, meant to write Afghanistan
:roflmao3:

The US is still fighting in Afghanistan, buddy, don't let your hopes up.


The simple facts also state that Iran has already won against a country (Iraq) which was backed by several other countries (like u.s.A., soviets, etc. ,with supposed better military). I grant you, that you may have better technology, but:

1) Iran relied on its people to fight...and they fought alright, and they will again, trust me.
And this time they aren't fighting against a third rate military.

2) The other arab countries aren't going to stand for this, I mean come on... first you invade 1 country then the next etc. ... surely they will help.
I think with the factions in Islam...no one knows. Besides, they are just puppet governments of the US, thats what most you people say anyways.

and even if they don't

3) Iran is backed by Syria, Russia, and China. ...and they have quite some military superiority.
Syria? Israel beats Syria.

Russia? lol...Russia is putting it's eggs in the U.S. basket, look at the latest UN Sec. Council proceedings.

China? What can China do? If it sides with Iran, then it is declaring war with the US. Something that Beijing certainly won't do. They are a lot smarter then the idiot mullahs in Tehran.

4) Your whole carrier fleet would be destroyed, seeing as Iran has aquired low flight missiles that fly just 1-10 metres above the water, making them almost impossible to ''shoot down''.
HAHAHAHA!!!

Yeah RIGHT!

First off, America's carrier defenses are built to take out low flying supersonic missiles. Second, the US could park it's carrier in the Arabian sea, and keep striking Iran without resistance because Iran has barely any active naval presence in the region.


BTW. russia has best aircraft so don't tell me u.s. has coz that's just propaganda.
...Wow...right. Um, how about you back up your statements with any form of proof? The US F-22 dominates every russian aircraft in the world, and will do so for years.

the only relatively good one you have is the F16 (which is cool coz it can fly with just 1 wing :smile1: )
Wow. Again. You obviously know absolutely nothing about aircraft. When you do, come back, and we can argue about this again. :roflmao3: