Kaiser Germany vs. Hitler Germany

[Relikt]

How was more powerfull in its time?
My money are on WW1 Germany. It was biggest nation in Europe and it had much bigger share in world industry then Hitler Germany. Kaiser Germany was ready for long war, Hitler Germany didnt. And in the end enemy solders never invade Kaiser Germany.

Also Hitler in first two years of war fight only on one front. Kaiser Germany fight on two fronts. So what chance could Hitler had if Germany fight against France &GB on west and USSR on east? How much time would need to defeat Germany and it war machinery ready only for blitz war.

Your opinion.

[BornB4]

NAZI Germany wasn't powerful at all. They just merely put all of their resources towards military.

[Relikt]

NAZI Germany wasn't powerful at all. They just merely put all of their resources towards military.
And for fast victory. What Hitler would do if Belgian forts didnt fall so easy?
Their big guns control river crossings. German panzer couldnt go so fast in France. I can say only one thing:
Hitler was great gambler.

While all WW1 German plans failed they still fight war and they done it well.

[amir_behbahani]

NAZI Germany wasn't powerful at all. They just merely put all of their resources towards military.

That was the only "strenght" or power they could gather against other european powers then. germany had already lost the colonial race just like the jamaican bobsled team.(maybe the roots of german greed goes back to a lack of a colony then?)
the kaiser dude with big moustache unified germany but his successors couldnt do much agaisnt uk , france , russia; so hitler and the nazi regime were merely a social response to the humiliation of ww1.

[amir_behbahani]

And for fast victory. What Hitler would do if Belgian forts didnt fall so easy?
Their big guns control river crossings. German panzer couldnt go so fast in France. I can say only one thing:
Hitler was great gambler.
The whole blitzkreig and much of ww2 in continental europe were just as fast , risky and unpredictable.



While all WW1 German plans failed they still fight war and they done it well.

It wasnt really the wisdom of kaiser germany vs the arrogance of nazi germany , again it's mainly the very slow and weary nature of ww1 comparing to the fast , blitzy and chaotic ww2.

[BornB4]

Pakistanians aren't Arab Amir. Germans were never powerful. The only people that are of any strength were the Britians and their anglo-saxon family. The other Europeans are merely whit like them.

[Darkblade]

Well Kaiser Reich could only take belgium and hold the line at france. The Nazi Reich managed to obliterate 3/4s of the nations of europe in less than a decade. In doing this they rewrote the book on Modern Warfare

[skampa]

Pakistanians aren't Arab Amir. Germans were never powerful. The only people that are of any strength were the Britians and their anglo-saxon family. The other Europeans are merely whit like them.

"The Germans were never powerful" ????????????????????????????????????????
(it deserves more question marks)

They won the Franco-Prussian war. In WWI they took on the entire world and almost won. In WWII they took on the entire world and had surprising success. How can anyone who is not powerful take on the entire world just 20 years after having done it. You can never compare an individual soldier of any country to German Soldier. Germany has produced the finest soldiers and some of the finest Military Leaders (Although I do not Agree with all their Ideologies, and what they have done to civilians). Name one country that has invaded virtually all of continental Europe?

I choose Hitler Germany as more powerful simply due to the extreme morale of the soldiers. Even thought the Germans lost, their Enemies received way more military casualties than the Germans. BTW the Angles and the Saxons are German.

[amir_behbahani]

Name one country that has invaded virtually all of continental Europe?


Napoleonic france.

[Darkblade]

Napoleonic france.

But he was italian not really french.

[amir_behbahani]

But he was italian not really french.

Hitler was austrian, there are also rumors he was 1/8 or 1/16 jewish.

[amir_behbahani]

Also , stalin was georgian :D

[Darkblade]

Arent they cute.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb257/ermac69/volksturm2ey0-1.jpg

[skampa]

Napoleonic france.


Napoleon's Empire at it's peak in 1812
http://napoleonicwars.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/france.gif


Nazi Germany and allies in Europe during World War II.
http://img.search.com/thumb/7/7e/Second_world_war_europe_1941-1942_map_en.png/300px-Second_world_war_europe_1941-1942_map_en.png

Also Spain had Nazi Influence. There was no reason for the Nazis to invade Spain.

Hitler was not Jewish, Modern research Suggests so or so I have read.

[Falco]

Arent they cute.

thats crude...

w/e
in my opinion "nazi germany" was more powerfull. the german empire did not really have any world importance. there only were few colonies and the cultural and industrial development was far behind france and great britain!

but (also before) the third reich was one of the superpowers of its time... it was the cultural and academic center of europe and one of the number one military powers. but thank god in the end they didnt succeed !

[amir_behbahani]

Arent they cute.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb257/ermac69/volksturm2ey0-1.jpg

LOL :D :D :D

[amir_behbahani]

after hitler coming to power,germany was the only europian country that is not having a single colonial state in any part of the world,
actually they had 2 , a small part in deep africa and new guina in asiapacific.but they were mainly experimental and of no practical use. the dutch had more colonies then lol.


by virtue of his hard endeauver and sheer determination of the efffort's by nazi leaders,the nation ahs rose to become the most powerfull country in the world. they have devoloped the tungstun metal to it's original form and also they are the real pioneer in atomic invention.it took the world to realise what germany secretly devoloped the wolfromite and imported it in bulk quantity from china and made the most powerfull tanks
i firmly belive germany was the most powerfull country under nazi's and hitler

not really , they had the determination but that was all , the UK still ruled the seas and they had the bliss of natural hypocricy. USSR was the superior continental force from the very start and the redneck industrial/social machine could easily overwhelm the german tech advancement numerically.

[amir_behbahani]

The biggest mistakes the germans made during the war came directly from hitler himself. he (and the germans in general) had his "inferiority complex" kinda thing towards the british and the french.

They just sucked french b**ls all the time , they could have emptied france or spain as a "living space" and delayed the invasion of USSR.

The dunkirk evacuation , had it not happened , would have lain such a punch on the british "morale" that they would force churchill to negotiate for truce.

[Relikt]

German empire in WW1:
1. biggest population in europe maybe in whole western world.
2. Defeat Russia
3. Never occupy, they surrender due to sea blockade.
4. New artillery doctrine
5. Longest guns (very usable in comparison with Hilter super long guns)
6. best airplanes (fighters and bombers)
7.Shock troopers and shock tactics (ancestor of Blitz war)

Faults:
1. Allow US to enter war due to unrestricted submarine warfare.
2. Faults in grand plan due to them Germany didnt reach Paris. If those faults were seen they will knock france out of war. As I said Germanz tactic was poor in WW1 if Hitler had such tactic he wouldnt capture Belgium and so not even France.
Also just compare power of France and GB in WW1 and in WW2.
Dont forget Germany nail Russia while fighting on more fronts. Nazi Germany had only one front and still wasnt capable nailing USSR.

[Darkblade]

German empire in WW1:
1. biggest population in europe maybe in whole western world.
2. Defeat Russia
3. Never occupy, they surrender due to sea blockade.
4. New artillery doctrine
5. Longest guns (very usable in comparison with Hilter super long guns)
6. best airplanes (fighters and bombers)
7.Shock troopers and shock tactics (ancestor of Blitz war)

Faults:
1. Allow US to enter war due to unrestricted submarine warfare.
2. Faults in grand plan due to them Germany didnt reach Paris. If those faults were seen they will knock france out of war. As I said Germanz tactic was poor in WW1 if Hitler had such tactic he wouldnt capture Belgium and so not even France.
Also just compare power of France and GB in WW1 and in WW2.
Dont forget Germany nail Russia while fighting on more fronts. Nazi Germany had only one front and still wasnt capable nailing USSR.

The USA had a population of 128mil while germany had 68mil hardly the largest in the western world. bu everything else you posted is right.

[amir_behbahani]

German empire in WW1:
1. biggest population in europe maybe in whole western world.
2. Defeat Russia
3. Never occupy, they surrender due to sea blockade.
4. New artillery doctrine
5. Longest guns (very usable in comparison with Hilter super long guns)
6. best airplanes (fighters and bombers)
7.Shock troopers and shock tactics (ancestor of Blitz war)

Faults:
1. Allow US to enter war due to unrestricted submarine warfare.
2. Faults in grand plan due to them Germany didnt reach Paris. If those faults were seen they will knock france out of war. As I said Germanz tactic was poor in WW1 if Hitler had such tactic he wouldnt capture Belgium and so not even France.
Also just compare power of France and GB in WW1 and in WW2.
Dont forget Germany nail Russia while fighting on more fronts. Nazi Germany had only one front and still wasnt capable nailing USSR.

Actually in ww1 russia showed off much better than in 2.

The US would eventually enter the war ! Isolationism is pure bullcrap , they would have found another excuse . It's a part of the McVulture doctorine and incorporated into the declaration by the founding charlatans. They repeated the same scenario in ww2 and everafter.

[Darkblade]

Actually in ww1 russia showed off much better than in 2.

The US would eventually enter the war ! Isolationism is pure bullcrap , they would have found another excuse . It's a part of the McVulture doctorine and incorporated into the declaration by the founding charlatans. They repeated the same scenario in ww2 and everafter.

The reason Nazi Germany lost WW2. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMb8U_IAX40)
Not because of D-Day but because they were grinded to bits by the red army.

[Relikt]

The USA had a population of 128mil while germany had 68mil hardly the largest in the western world. bu everything else you posted is right.
Can you give me some link about Germany population in dawn of WW1? I was sure that Germany was very close to 100 mln people. I also dont think that USA had 128 mln people in 1914? Maybe after WW1 when many more people came form war destroyed Europe in US. I think that USA didnt had more then 150 mln in WW2. So 22 mln people is very small grown for 27 years especially if we calculate new comers from Europe.

[Oriellien]

Actually in ww1 russia showed off much better than in 2.

The US would eventually enter the war ! Isolationism is pure bullcrap , they would have found another excuse . It's a part of the McVulture doctorine and incorporated into the declaration by the founding charlatans. They repeated the same scenario in ww2 and everafter.

The US could easily have entered WW1 long before it did.

[Darkblade]

Can you give me some link about Germany population in dawn of WW1? I was sure that Germany was very close to 100 mln people. I also dont think that USA had 128 mln people in 1914? Maybe after WW1 when many more people came form war destroyed Europe in US. I think that USA didnt had more then 150 mln in WW2. So 22 mln people is very small grown for 27 years especially if we calculate new comers from Europe.

thats the estimate form 1936 which was the best that i can find right now. Bt its only a decade or so after the war and im guessing your estimate probably includes the Polish as part of the german population.

[Zraver]

Imperial Germany

Population
- 1871 est. 41,058,792
- 1890 est. 49,428,470
- 1910 est. 64,925,993

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Empire

plus a cross checked refrence

JSTOR: Unwelcome Strangers: East European Jews in Imperial Germany Book Reviews 847 Jews (numbering half a million in a total population of 65 million

links.jstor.org/ sici?sici=0022-2801(198912)61%3A4%3C846%3AUSEEJI%3E2.0.CO%3B2-E

[Musa a.s.]

Actually according to the best scholar of the war who happens to be an American, the real reason Germany lost is chance(for we Muslims its Qadr\fate). Even going through all of their setbacks and theater defeats, it came down to bad judgement calls by Der Fuher that cost him the war, any change of direction, most of us humans wouldn't exist or be slaves, thats for sure.

[Trambuan]

Probably the third reich as it was more modern, hitler did bring the country to power but also in a foolish way.