Should Syria allow Iran to operate it's Air Force/Airforce?

[BornB4]

I was wondering that Syria' military potential is great but according to many Syria has not the funds to train their pilots in dogfighting tactics. Which means no matter what they get, their lack of training puts them as the under dog. Also, the Israeli flyover exposed their airdefence forces as being obsolete and thus their airfields are vulnerable and exposed to bombing and attacks.

Maybe Iran can help Syria in this area. First, Syria must upgrade and surround bases with radars and missile batteries that are operable and effective. That way, foriegn pilots will feel able to safely use their airbases and operate as pilots. Then Iran & perhaps Pakistan could then allow pilots to operate the Syrian airforce. All Syria would then do is maintain their aircraft relieving the burden of monthly training.

[Vladimir80]

Syria been spending a good deal upgrading their air defenses. They have recieved many mobile launchers and Kolchuga radars. This is how they could help Iran by air lifting some of these assets in case of conflict. They combat aircraft is outdated and not really going to help Iran fighting enemy with F-22. Iran's airforce is much more capable than Syrias.

[amir_behbahani]

Syria been spending a good deal upgrading their air defenses. They have recieved many mobile launchers and Kolchuga radars. This is how they could help Iran by air lifting some of these assets in case of conflict. They combat aircraft is outdated and not really going to help Iran fighting enemy with F-22. Iran's airforce is much more capable than Syrias.

Who's got f-22 ? israel?

[Vladimir80]

It won't help much against IDF either. Syria need to upgrade their AF bad!

[amir_behbahani]

It won't help much against IDF either. Syria need to upgrade their AF bad!
It's too late to work on AF , with a good and tricky SAM system , IAF's f-15s and f-16s cant do much.

[Vladimir80]

It's too late to work on AF , with a good and tricky SAM system , IAF's f-15s and f-16s cant do much.

With S-300PMU the IDF's F-15s be running down to Jordan trying to evade the missiles. :roflmao3:

[chaos]

It's too late to work on AF , with a good and tricky SAM system , IAF's f-15s and f-16s cant do much.

ohhh, ur an engineer in ELTA,ELISRA,ELBIT or RAFAEL ? no.
why the hel do u think u know something about the israeli systems inside the jets?
why do u think u have a clue about IAF tactics against SAMs. u know nothing about IAF capabillty to hunt SAM, and fight against radars and missiles.

[Vladimir80]

ohhh, ur an engineer in ELTA,ELISRA,ELBIT or RAFAEL ? no.
why the hel do u think u know something about the israeli systems inside the jets?
why do u think u have a clue about IAF tactics against SAMs. u know nothing about IAF capabillty to hunt SAM, and fight against radars and missiles.

You have no idea of capability of S-300 and Kolchuga systems.

[amir_behbahani]

ohhh, ur an engineer in ELTA,ELISRA,ELBIT or RAFAEL ? no.
why the hel do u think u know something about the israeli systems inside the jets?
why do u think u have a clue about IAF tactics against SAMs. u know nothing about IAF capabillty to hunt SAM, and fight against radars and missiles.

cheap local avionics to save bucks ?

[chaos]

cheap ? i dont know, and you dont know.
but i know that these systems are very advance, and stand together with another systems, and most of the time-better.

to save bucks? definitely not. when we want to save money we buy from the americans, for exmple- we bought the AIM120 A2A missiles and not the israeli Derby, becasue the AIM120 is cheaper for us.

israel is the 4th biggest weapons export country.

You have no idea of capability of S-300 and Kolchuga systems.
indeed, i just know how good this system supposed to be, but ur the one that said things about their performances while u dont know about your enemy. any system, even S300, has its weakness.

[Vladimir80]

indeed, i just know how good this system supposed to be, but ur the one that said things about their performances while u dont know about your enemy. every system, even S300, has its weakness.

I didn't say anything about they performance... :huh2:

[chaos]

I didn't say anything about they performance...

With S-300PMU the IDF's F-15s be running down to Jordan trying to evade the missiles.

are u so sure about the missile? u dont understand that any weapon has weakness? how good the s300 can be if it has no radar? there are A LOT of options to take S300 before u send 8 F15 to syria.

[amir_behbahani]

cheap ? i dont know, and you dont know.
but i know that these systems are very advance, and stand together with another systems, and most of the time-better.

to save bucks? definitely not. when we want to save money we buy from the americans, for exmple- we bought the AIM120 A2A missiles and not the israeli Derby, becasue the AIM120 is cheaper for us.

israel is the 4th biggest weapons export country.


I'm sorry , cheap local avionics ordered by bribed IAF generals.

[Vladimir80]

are u so sure about the missile? u dont understand that any weapon has weakness? how good the s300 can be if it has no radar? there are A LOT of options to take S300 before u send 8 F15 to syria.

The Kolchuga passive sensors makes any anti-radiation system like HARM or Harpy useless. With the mobile nature of launchers and systems makes interception a thing of luck rather than guaranteed.

[apple_fritta]

I think they should let Pakistanis train them...as we have trained them in the past. :)

[NEWUSER]

when we want to save money we buy from the americans, for exmple- we bought the AIM120 A2A missiles and not the israeli Derby, becasue the AIM120 is cheaper for us.

Majority of U.S. military aid to Israel (http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm) is used to buy weapons from the U.S., so you are practically getting it for FREE...

[chaos]

The Kolchuga passive sensors makes any anti-radiation system like HARM or Harpy useless. With the mobile nature of launchers and systems makes interception a thing of luck rather than guaranteed.

and the HARM has technologies against it, and the kolochga has technologies against the harm technologies, and so on..
i have no doubt that russian missiles and radars are good, and to be honest i do think that the S300 is the best SAM against jets at the moment. but it doesnt make another systems useless.

anyway, there are a lot of ways to destroy SAM, doesnt matter how good it is.

[Vladimir80]

anyway, there are a lot of ways to destroy SAM, doesnt matter how good it is.

And there are alot of ways to destroy IDF F-15/16... :laugh2:

[chaos]

And there are alot of ways to destroy IDF F-15/16..

there is no way syria will be able to do that after thier S300 will be destroyed.

[BornB4]

there is no way syria will be able to do that after thier S300 will be destroyed.
:tongue1:The Russians know how to operate their own equipment. Israel has no means of offense against the S-300. One F-16 was bought down over Lebanon.

[chaos]

The Russians know how to operate their own equipment
but russia isnt operate nothing in syria, and if it does.. shame for syria- u cant make weapons and u cant operate them ? :)

Israel has no means of offense against the S-300

there are so much ways to do that.

One F-16 was bought down over Lebanon.
1 F16 crashed inside israel becasue a problem. IT WASNT SHOT DOWN.

[BornB4]

but russia isnt operate nothing in syria, You clearly are not knowledgable in this discussion because the Russian missile systems such as the Pantsyr & S-300 are Russian operated though they are in Syria. I'm sure the S-300 is.


1 F16 crashed inside israel becasue a problem. IT WASNT SHOT DOWN.It certainly was shot down by an arm-launched SAM.

[chaos]

It certainly was shot down by an arm-launched SAM.
source? (i dont really want, just wanna make it harder to u)

the jet crashed and the pilot is ok.

You clearly are not knowledgable in this discussion because the Russian missile systems such as the Pantsyr & S-300 are Russian operated though they are in Syria. I'm sure the S-300 is.

lol, shame for syria.
source?

[Vladimir80]

there is no way syria will be able to do that after thier S300 will be destroyed.

You forget IRIAF will be intervening on any attack on Syria. With their versions of AIM-54 going off IDF aircraft be in danger. I don't think Israel has anything to counter that.

[chaos]

ur saying that iranian jets are exist in syria with iranian pilots? lol?

israel can win any air battle against iran. better radars, missiles, EW, pilots and planes.

[Bumble Bee]

You forget IRIAF will be intervening on any attack on Syria. With their versions of AIM-54 going off IDF aircraft be in danger. I don't think Israel has anything to counter that.
Remember when Syria Pantsyr's shot that Israeli fighter last year? That F-16 that Hazbollah downed It'll just happen by the dozens in the future against israel's lousy aircraft.:)

[chaos]

no one remmeber becasue it didnt happen. hozblah didnt shot down F16, and everyone here knows that.

but we do remmeber how 4 israeli F16 came to damecus before more then year and syria didnt even detect them.

[abdou]

i think the S300 can be more effective with tunguska or pantyser systems by the side, to protect it from any low altitude cruise missles (not that the S300 can not handle it or anything, but might as well offer as much fire power as possible, and allow the S300 to use its full missle capabilities on more far away IDF jets it can reach)

[Vladimir80]

i think the S300 can be more effective with tunguska or pantyser systems by the side, to protect it from any low altitude cruise missles (not that the S300 can not handle it or anything, but might as well offer as much fire power as possible, and allow the S300 to use its full missle capabilities on more far away IDF jets it can reach)

There is other ways to protect the S-300. Decoys with false radar emitters would make them waste their Harpys because that supply is limited. Then Syria could turn on the REAL TombStone radars when IDF gets ready to launch aircraft strikes. Having TOR-M1 or Tanguska in such limited numbers probably be around more government and C&C targets.

[BornB4]

Israel may just have to forget about an assault against Syria altogether.