Your Favorite Past-time War Figures.

[Jordan]

What I mean by "Past-time" is that the people are dead.
Try to post some links or information about them as well. Just for my personal education and other's.:D

General Andrew Jackson during the war of 1812 (U.S. versus Britain Part 2).
http://lsm.crt.state.la.us/cabildo/cab6.htm

Winston Churchill during WW II (the man needs no introduction).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill

[AK-101]

What I mean by "Past-time" is that the people are dead.
Try to post some links or information about them as well. Just for my personal education and other's.:D

General Andrew Jackson during the war of 1812 (U.S. versus Britain Part 2).
http://lsm.crt.state.la.us/cabildo/cab6.htm

Winston Churchill during WW II (the man needs no introduction).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill

Deff. George Patton, although he was a nut, he got the job done good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Patton
Hmm.. O yeah Erwin Rommel was a tremendous military General, he was a genious when it came to military tactics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel
Lastly, Pat Tillman. Hes a great role model of mine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman

[Pure_sunni]

Saladin, some dead modern arab generals ánd general Patton

[Jordan]

Saladin, some dead modern arab generals ánd general Patton

Got any background to go with Saladin?

[Pure_sunni]

Kurdish conqueror of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Saladin believed in jihad (http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0008996.html) (holy war) – the Muslim equivalent of the crusades. He conquered Syria 1174–87, and recovered Jerusalem from the Christians in 1187, sparking the Third Crusade (http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0006156.html) (1191–92). The Christian army, headed by Philip II of France and Richard (I) the Lion-heart of England retook Acre in 1191, but Saladin was a brilliant general and the Third Crusade, although inflicting some defeats, achieved little. In 1192 he made peace with Richard (I) the Lionheart, left fighting alone after quarrels with his allies.

Saladin was recognized, even by his opponents, for his knightly courtesy, piety, and justice. His administration also improved communications, leaving behind a network of roads and canals, and built many citadels (castle or city strongholds).

Saladin and Richard the Lionheart are two names that tend to dominate the Crusades (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cru1.htm). Both have gone down in Medieval history as great military leaders though their impact was limited to the Third Crusade.
Saladin was a great Muslim leader. His real name was Salah al-Din Yusuf. He united and lead the Muslim world and in 1187, he recaptured Jerusalem for the Muslims after defeating the King of Jerusalem at the Battle of Hattin near the Lake of Galilee. When his soldiers entered the city of Jerusalem, they were not allowed to kill civilians, rob people or damage the city. The more successful Saladin was, the more he was seen by the Muslims as being their natural leader.




The Christians of western Europe were stunned by the success of Saladin. The pope, Gregory VIII, ordered another crusade immediately to regain the Holy City for the Christians. This was the start of the Third Crusade. It was led by Richard I (Richard the Lionheart), Emperor Frederick Barbarossa of Germany and King Philip II of France. These were possibly the three most important men in western Europe - such was the importance of this crusade. It was to last from 1189 to 1192.
Frederick was drowned on his march across Europe. He was 70 years of age and his death shocked his army and only a small part of it continued to the Middle East.
Richard, Philip and their men travelled by boat. They stopped their journey in modern day Sicily. In March 1191, Philip then sailed to the port of Acre which was controlled by the Muslims. This was an important port to capture for the Christians as it would allow them to easily land their ships and it was also the nearest big port to Jerusalem. Acre was besieged. Philip's men were joined by Richard's.
He had captured Cyprus first before moving on to Acre. The port could not cope against such a force and in July 1191, it fell to the Christians. However, the siege had had its impact on Philip - he was exhausted and left for France. Richard was left by himself. While in control of Acre, the Christians massacred 2000 Muslim soldiers who they had captured. Saladin had agreed to pay a ransom for them but somehow there was a breakdown in the process of payment and Richard ordered their execution.
Richard was determined to get to Jerusalem and he was prepared to take on Saladin. The march south to Jerusalem was very difficult. The Crusaders kept as near to the coast as possible to allow ships to supply them. It was also slightly cooler with a coastal breeze. Regardless of this, the Christians suffered badly from the heat and lack of fresh water. At night when the Crusaders tried to rest, they were plagued by tarantulas. Their bites were poisonous and very painful.
Both sides fought at the Battle of Arsur in September 1191. Richard won but he delayed his attack on Jerusalem as he knew that his army needed to rest. He spent the winter of 1191 to 1192 in Jaffa where his army regained its strength. Richard marched on Jerusalem in June 1192.
However, by now even Richard the Lionheart was suffering. He had a fever and appealed to his enemy Saladin to send him fresh water and fresh fruit. Saladin did just this - sending frozen snow to the Crusaders to be used as water and fresh fruit. Why would Saladin do this?
There are two reasons. First, Saladin was a strict Muslim. One of the main beliefs of Islam is that Muslims should help those in need. Secondly, Saladin could send his men into Richard's camp with the supplies and spy on what he had in terms of soldiers, equipment etc.
What they found was that Richard only had 2,000 fit soldiers and 50 fit knights to use in battle. With such a small force, Richard could not hope to take Jerusalem even though he got near enough to see the Holy City. Richard organised a truce with Saladin - pilgrims from the west would once again be allowed to visit Jerusalem without being troubled by the Muslims. Neither Richard or Saladin particularly liked the truce but both sides were worn out and in October 1192, Richard sailed for western Europe never to return to the Holy Land.
However, for Richard the adventure was not over. On his journey back to England, his ship got wrecked in a storm. He found that he had to travel through Austria. This country was owned by a sworn enemy of Richard - Duke Leopold of Austria. Leopold had originally been a leading member of the Third Crusade but he had been ridiculed by Richard who did nothing to stop his men making fun out of Leopold. They called him "the sponge" because he drank so much and was drunk too often! Leopold had lost a lot of prestige and now he had a chance to avenge himself. Richard was betrayed to Leopold who held him captive for two years until a ransom was paid for him. Richard arrived home in 1194.
Richard was known as the "Lionheart" by his people. Even the Muslims praised him. The Muslim writer Baha wrote about Richard while the Third Crusade was going on:
"......a very powerful man of great courage........a king of wisdom, courage and energy.....brave and clever."

http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/p/J/Saladin-l.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a9/Saladinstatue.JPG/300px-Saladinstatue.JPG
Saladin in Damascus , Syria

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General Shahid Vali Fallahi

Colonel Shahid Abbas Dowran

General Shahid Javad Fakkouri

General Shahid Mousi Namjoo

General Shahid Ali Seyyed-Shirazi

General Shahid Youssef Kolah Douz

BTW, 'Shahid' means martyr (just in case you guys thought these men all shared a first name ;))

[Shahab-3]

Dart Vader in Star Wars! :D

[AK-101]

Dart Vader in Star Wars! :D
lol what about the big helmet guy from Space Balls, funny movie. "O my your helmet is so big!"

[Shahab-3]

lol what about the big helmet guy from Space Balls, funny movie. "O my your helmet is so big!"

:D :D :D Good one.....Be careful though.... that's a Mel Brooks movie..... and you know he is Jewish.... and that might offend some folks in here! :D :D :D

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Some non-Iranians to add to my list...

Marshal Georgi Konstantinovich Zhukov

Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

Generaloberst Heinz Wilhelm Guderian

General Dwight D. Eisenhower

[AK-101]

Some non-Iranians to add to my list...

Marshal Georgi Konstantinovich Zhukov


I've forgot all about him, he was another genious during WWII. He always managed to find a way to flank the Germans, and he had a tendency to use the so called "Pincer movement" which always finished them off. I feel that if he had faught for another country with less restrictions, because if you screwed up there was the was the threat of execution by Stalin.
Ehh I dont like eisenhower so much because he was such a push over. When he was the Supreme Commander of the Allies during WWII, he always gave in to Montgomery and other generals which caused the neadless death of soldiers.

:D :D :D Good one.....Be careful though.... that's a Mel Brooks movie..... and you know he is Jewish.... and that might offend some folks in here! :D :D :D

hehe I have developed a habit of pissing people off, I dont care.

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@AK-101
It is a shame that Marshal Zhukov is not given as much credit as he deserves on account of him being a "Stalinist," no?
And I do not care one way or the other about Eisenhower. I just hate Patton. :D :D :D

[AK-101]

@AK-101
It is a shame that Marshal Zhukov is not given as much credit as he deserves on account of him being a "Stalinist," no?
And I do not care one way or the other about Eisenhower. I just hate Patton. :D :D :D

Yeah Zhukov was an excellent leader, yeah a lot of people back then in the Soviet Union never recieved full credit.

Yeah Patton was a complete nut job, I think he claimed he was the reincarnation of Napoleon. Although he was a nut, he was an awsome military strategist.

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Yeah Patton was a complete nut job, I think he claimed he was the reincarnation of Napoleon. Although he was a nut, he was an awsome military strategist.

Indeed he was. More times than not, the best strategists are nutjobs (:D).

My favorite American military leader is not WWII-era. It is "Black Jack" Pershing.

[AK-101]

Indeed he was. More times than not, the best strategists are nutjobs (:D).

My favorite American military leader is not WWII-era. It is "Black Jack" Pershing.

Yeah, I dont know too much about Pershing other than they named a tank destroyer after him.

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USAF Sabre operations in Korea. Only 86 losses with hundreds of downed migs, which were 'superior' :)

[Mujahid786]

first of all opur beloved prophert muhamad (saw) then all the brave khalifs. Then saladin, mehmet (man who conquered istanbul), suleiman magnifisent, tecumseh

[Ace]

Alexander the great
Julius Caeser
Subotai - Genghis Khan's greatest general
Erwin rommel
Erich von Manstein
George Patton

[SepahKhodah]

Nader Shah

Hannibal

Julius Caesar

Napoleon Bonaparte

Frederick the Great

Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

[Grutte Pier]

Grutte Pier, Genghis Khan, William Wallace, Shaka Zulu. Those are my personal favorites. :D

[Kermanshah1]

Kooresh the Great, Darius the Great, Ardashir, Nadir Shah.