War on americas Forien grounds.

[Holyman]

Will the usa ever have war from any country on its own land? :D

WILL A COUNTRY EVER MAKE WAR ON AMERECA AND HAVE WAR ON AMERICAS SOIL?

[Pure_sunni]

The terrorists but they are not a country but they did have a war at their ground like WTC

[burster]

well, considering the neighbors, not too likely in the near future, especially given the power of the US military. The gaps between the technology of the US military and the rest of the world continues to grow. The only way to beat the US is asymmetric warfare and attacking it's will to win by outlasting them. The US has never been a true Imperial power the way the Europeans were. The longest you have to wait to get a major change in US policy is basically 8 years, four if you are lucky. The problem with Iran is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He seems to want to accelerate the return of the 12th Imam so it happens in the next two years. I predict he will do something very stupid that will bring the wrath of the United States down on his head and his military.



Will the usa ever have war from any country on its own land? :D

WILL A COUNTRY EVER MAKE WAR ON AMERECA AND HAVE WAR ON AMERICAS SOIL?

[Tbagger]

Will the usa ever have war from any country on its own land? :D

WILL A COUNTRY EVER MAKE WAR ON AMERECA AND HAVE WAR ON AMERICAS SOIL?
Not in our lifetimes.

[Night]

America would be one of the worst nightmares for an invader, 40% of all people own 2 or more guns including my family.

[Tbagger]

America would be one of the worst nightmares for an invader, 40% of all people own 2 or more guns including my family.
lol, the US population would make the Iraqi Insurgency look like a bunch of giddy, German school girls. :)

[Night]

Like it would ever come to that point anyways lol.

[Darkblade]

If we were invaded it would look like this.
http://www.worldinconflict.com/
To tell you the truth i can see america getting invaded in the near future. We might start by our troops getting kicked out of japan,germany and england then the the loss of control over oil assets in the mideast. Then a few years of social upheaval to get the government to stop spending a trillion dollars a year on the army giving the rest of the world a few years to try and catch up in tech. A few decades after that we might find our selves challenged by upcoming powers like Brazil,China And the EU. Then maybe you will start to see more corruption in the goverment and military and then finnaly an invasion by some jackass world power like china. But after that who knows we might find ourselves in an alliance with russia just for the sake of trying not be overwhelmed by the chinese. But hey its just a theory of mine:p

[Abbas]

America would be one of the worst nightmares for an invader, 40% of all people own 2 or more guns including my family.


so in a muslim country you would be classed as a terrorist?

[Reality101]

Not sure if its possible. All else fails the invader country would just turn into a parking lot. !Nuke em all! America can only have war on its land if she has a civil war.

This applies in our life time.

[NEWUSER]

Will the usa ever have war from any country on its own land? :D

WILL A COUNTRY EVER MAKE WAR ON AMERECA AND HAVE WAR ON AMERICAS SOIL?

Unless CANADA decides to stretch its unprecedented military capabilities by dropping “Seakings” on American targets, don’t hold your breath.

[AK-101]

Will the usa ever have war from any country on its own land? :D

WILL A COUNTRY EVER MAKE WAR ON AMERECA AND HAVE WAR ON AMERICAS SOIL?

anyone who tries to fight America on her own land wouldnt stand a chance.

[Ahmadinejad]

anyone who tries to fight America on her own land wouldnt stand a chance.

i know what you mean. A nation full of gun toting rednecks is something even a mad man would want to stay away from

[stunnerzinc]

i know what you mean. A nation full of gun toting rednecks is something even a mad man would want to stay away from
I could say that all Muslims are terroirsts. Even the kids who were killed in Qana, but that would just be retarded, wouldn't it? Oh, BTW, did you know that there are around 3-5 million Muslims in America? Are they rednecks as well? Not to mention the 20 million Asians.

[Ahmadinejad]

blah blah blah.. go cry me a river werewolf, if u didnt want to get flamed then you shouldnt have came on an iranian forum to flame iran and iranians.

[stunnerzinc]

blah blah blah.. go cry me a river werewolf, if u didnt want to get flamed then you shouldnt have came on an iranian forum to flame iran and iranians.
When did I flame Iran?:confused: I'm not the one who's whining. I'm just saying that if all Americans are rednecks, then all Muslims are terrorists.

[mirza]

America would be one of the worst nightmares for an invader, 40% of all people own 2 or more guns including my family.

when we execute your pa , u 'll all hand in your guns , real life is not like red dawn

[Ahmadinejad]

c'mon werewolf you've flamed iran, dont tell me u have not. I'd show u proof but u know what happened. Alright alright , i take back what i said. The rednecks are a minority.

[stunnerzinc]

c'mon werewolf you've flamed iran, dont tell me u have not. I'd show u proof but u know what happened. Alright alright , i take back what i said. The rednecks are a minority.
I really want to see where I flamed Iran as a country. I've always said that I hate the government, but the people are cool. Generalizations aren't fair. How many radical Islamists are there? 100,000? Islam has 1.5 billion followers. Those idiots are a drop in the ocean, just like the dumbass rednecks.

[Ahmadinejad]

okay im sorry werewolf... for a second there i got you confused with a zionist so i was a little more hostile than usual, i didnt mean it.

[Wanklord]

I wonder if the "Vulgar Many" (ordinary Americans who fervidly support the so-called "War on Terror" and Bush's policies) are capable enough to visualize that any war on United States soil will be simply focused on annihilating this nation; hence, no conventional wars are applicable in this scenario.
Although the credibility of the article posted below is a matter of discussion, I think is very important that the "Vulgar Many" take a conscious approach to what is discussed

"The Vulgar Many are lovers of wealth and pleasure. They are selfish, slothful, and indolent. They can be inspired to rise above their brutish existence only by fear of impending death or catastrophe." (Leo Strauss - German Jew Philosopher)

Typical “Vulgar Many”

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/republican_cp_6599304.jpg


Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon

NOTE: This article has been pulled from the news source, but you can read it here. Asia Times feels the article is a hoax, but there is still much of value contained within it. Read and judge for yourself. To date, there has been no denial of the tape's validity sent to Al-Jazeera.

November 15, 2002
By Pepe Escobar, THE ROVING EYE

At a time when a tape handed over to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television station has received widespread expose for its purported comments by Osama bin Laden in praise of recent terror events around the world, another al-Qaeda message released to the same station has received little coverage.

Al-Jazeera was granted an interview with one Mohammed al-Usuquf, allegedly al-Qaeda's number three. Al-Usuquf is said to be a doctor in physics and to hold a masters degree in international economics. A copy of the interview was sent to the prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed.
Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al-Qaeda.

Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda's Kuwaiti spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, and bin Laden himself, suggested that he grant the interview. Bin Laden, he says, is "alive and healthy, along with his commanders Mohammed Atef, Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Mullah Omar".

Al-Usuquf starts by criticizing Washington's disrespect of the Kyoto Protocol on climatic change, the International Criminal Court and the Palestinian cause, as well as the "financial greed" engendering speculative gains over Third World countries. He also criticizes the manner in which America wastes wealth, like US$80 billion a year on gambling. "They [have] lost the notion of spirituality and only live in sin."

For this reason, America must be destroyed, and al-Usuquf insists that "aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and spy satellites will be worthless in the next war".

Al-Qaeda, according to him, has 5,000 first rank operatives and around 20,000 all over the world. Of all the prisoners in the US, only "20 or 30" are al-Qaeda, and all of them "second-rank". Confirming Asia Times Online information, he swears that there are no first-rank prisoners in Guantanamo in Cuba. Al-Usuquf says, "We have more than 500 first-rank and 800 second-rank [operatives] inside the US." "First rank" are considered ones that have lived in the US for more than 10 years, most of them married with children. "They have an idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call." "Second-rank" operatives arrived in the past five years and "have no idea about the plans". They are all willing to die.

Al-Usuquf insists that September 11 "was just the beginning. It was a way to call the world's attention to what's going to happen." He then details a plan to destroy the US by "attacking the heart of what they consider the most important thing in the world: money".

"The American economy is an economy of false appearances," says al-Usuquf. "There's no real economic weight. American GNP is something around $10 trillion, but only 1 percent comes from agriculture, and only 24 percent from industry. So 75 percent of its GNP comes from services, and most of it is financial speculation. For someone who understands economics, and apparently America's Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill does not, or cannot, the US as a whole behaves like an immense dot.com, and dollars are its stocks. The value of stocks from a given company is directly proportional to its profitability. When a company only provides services, but does not produce goods, the value of its stocks depends on its credibility. What I'm saying is if US credibility is affected, its stocks - the US dollar - will fall at tremendous speed, and the whole American economy will collapse."

Al-Usuquf is absolutely positive, "because, in a smaller scale, this is exactly what big financial conglomerates do with Third World countries to collect profits in one month that no Swiss bank would guarantee in four to five years". Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda could do the same by "provoking a deficit of $50 to 70 trillion, the equivalent to five to seven years of the GNP of the US". How? By "destroying America's seven largest cities and some other measures". The means? "Atomic bombs." Al-Usuquf's most startling revelation is that the bombs "won't be launched, they are already there". "Seven nuclear heads have already been positioned on American soil, before September 11, and they are ready to be detonated. Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and even later, if we needed, we could position the bombs there. They arrived through seaports, as normal cargo. A nuclear head is not bigger than a fridge, so it can easily be camouflaged as one. Thousands of containers arrive at a seaport every day, and even with very efficient security, it's impossible to check and examine each one of them."

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs were bought on the black market: five from the former USSR and two from Pakistan. The five Russian heads "are from T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107, and their power is around 100 kilotons each, that is five times the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani ones are less powerful, something around 10 kilotons each."

Each of the Russian bombs would have cost around $200 million. Al-Qaeda was able to raise the money "because we have many sponsors. Many countries sponsor us, and also some very rich people." And not all of these are Arab countries. "Some European countries as well are also interested in the fall of the US." As to the "rich people", they are "people who are also tired of seeing the US bleeding the rest of the world."

And Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these people, "but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul Tawab Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms program".

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs cannot be detected by US authorities. "Even if they are old, they were modernized and are very well hidden. Even if they were located, they have autodetonation mechanisms in case something or someone gets close. Even an electromagnetic pulse is not capable of deactivating them." The bombs allegedly cannot be detected because "they are enveloped in thick layers of lead". They could be detonated "by various methods - cellphone call, radio frequency, seismic shock or by their regressive clock".

Al-Usuquf details the whole plan. "First, one head would be detonated, which would cause the deaths of 800,000 to 1 million people and a chaos never seen before. During this chaos, two or three planes, which are now disassembled inside barns near empty roads in the US countryside, would take off in suicide missions to pulverize another two or three big American cities with chemicals. Once the disease was identified, all seaports and airports would be quarantined. Land borders would also be closed. No plane, boat or car would enter or leave the US. This would be total chaos." The first target would be the city "that would offer the best conditions, for example bright sky and winds of eight or more miles an hour blowing towards the center of the country, so radioactive dust can contaminate the largest possible area".

This attack would not knock out the US, recognizes al-Usuquf, "But the process would be initiated. As with the World Trade Center, it would be just a question of time for the whole economic structure to be turned to dust. If the objectives are reached with one bomb and diseases, probably we will save the lives of other people, but it's risky, and probably six more bombs will be detonated, one a week, and more attacks with chemical weapons will be launched." According to estimates made by al-Usuquf "and Ayman al-Zawahiri", al-Qaeda's number 2, about 15 million people would die, victims of the bombs and the radiation. Among those contaminated by diseases, "25 percent will die, a figure around more than 5 million, plus many others due to the chaos and disorder".

Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or 10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed, it will still be a small price to pay. The problem is that the economic despair will be so great that even if it saves [money] by not using weapons, American liquidity will be near zero, and the US will make more money selling a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier to Turkey or Italy for $5 billion, because they will urgently need to recapitalize. But it will be too late. Moreover, what will remain of an American soldier's morale to fight knowing that his whole family died and his country ceased to exist? To fight for what?"

The world economy would not collapse, says al-Usuquf, although "in the beginning, it will be very difficult. But without the US the world will soon rise in a more just and fraternal manner. Nothing can stop the plan."

And whatever America does, "it's too late". When will the attack begin? "I can't tell."

(©2002 Asia Times Online Co, Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact content@atimes.com for information on our sales and syndication policies.)
http://atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/DK15Aa01.html

[AK-101]

i know what you mean. A nation full of gun toting rednecks is something even a mad man would want to stay away from

if you want to be such a skeptic, go to all the Islamic Countries; nothing against muslims just an example; and tell me how many people there own fully auto aks? Maybe Afghanistan for instace where you will never see a man not holding an ak.

[Tbagger]

if you want to be such a skeptic, go to all the Islamic Countries; nothing against muslims just an example; and tell me how many people there own fully auto aks? Maybe Afghanistan for instace where you will never see a man not holding an ak.
Welcome back, AK. :)

[AK-101]

Welcome back, AK. :)
:D
im glad 2 be back!

[Mr.Perfect]

:D
im glad 2 be back!

me too:p hahahhah

[Tbagger]

How did AK get banned in the old forum?

[AK-101]

How did AK get banned in the old forum?

cuz my brother had signed up so they banned me for having two accounts on the same ip. Kiddy stuff....

[Mr.Perfect]

cuz my brother had signed up so they banned me for having two accounts on the same ip. Kiddy stuff....

you had to report that your brother made another name. its no kiddy its rules cause so many flammers made multi names with 180 degree different views in each names.

[AK-101]

you had to report that your brother made another name. its no kiddy its rules cause so many flammers made multi names with 180 degree different views in each names.

well if i could report it I would have, except I was banned for speaking out against a topic.

[Reality101]

well if i could report it I would have, except I was banned for speaking out against a topic.


This is why the mods need to contact people instead of going trigger happy with the bans. Some people actually do have more than one person using the same ip. I know its a new concept.

[Roy.cn]

Not in our lifetimes.

U.S. should know he is not the god,
though he try to be world policeman,
911 is one kind of war...

[AK-101]

U.S. should know he is not the god,
though he try to be world policeman,
911 is one kind of war...

its not a war, its an act of violence. If the US wanted to, it could fly planes into buildings too. But does it? No because the US is more civilized than that and does not intentionally target civilians like some people do.

[Eagle127]

This is an article written by Gene simmons [Rock group Kiss]
In 1957, he emigrated to New York City as a child with his mother—a Hungarian immigrant and the only member of her family to survive the Holocaust—after his father, Feri Witz, abandoned his family. After emigrating to America, he took the name Gene Klein; he felt that "Gene" was more American than "Chaim," and his mother's maiden name was Klein. In the late 1960s, he changed his name again, to Gene Simmons, as he simply felt that "Gene Klein" did not have enough of a ring to it. He voted for George Bush for this reason. ["When you walk through a bad neighborhood, you don't want a poodle by your side. You want a Rottweiler." ]
I agree with Gene and have done my part to defend America. I will do so until America becomes a diluted socialist country. Then I will fight to restore the America to that it was intended to be by the founding Fathers.
All that we real conservative Americans want in the world is for everyone to have the right to life ,liberty and the pursuit of happiness !!!!! We have our own internal problems [liberal democrats] and we may not make it in the end, but we gave it a hell of a try for the right reasons.
Read this message.:)



I have said in this political climate, that I am ashamed of the behavior of people who call themselves either members of the Democratic Party (whose politics I usually support, incidentally) or as Liberals (funny, I always thought I was one). But, I will not hesitate to tell someone off. I believe in a form of politics that supercedes philosophical discussions. I believe in Pragmatism.

Pacifism is a beautiful word. No one wants war. Not you. Not I. But, the most p***ionate Pacifist is only relatively so. What I mean is, it's easy to be a Pacifist here in America. That's because Hussein and other menaces are far away. The closer a gun is pointed to your head, the less of a Pacifist you are...the more you're interested in stopping the guy pointing the gun to your head.

Granted. Saddam Hussein never pointed a gun to my head. I also never want to wait long enough for him to do so. PRE-EMPTIVE WAR is one of the realities we all have to face. There will never be another 9/11...and I could care less if there is or isn't a direct line to Hussein. He had to go. Period. That regime wouldn't think twice about giving an extremist a suitcase filled with a dirty bomb.

I am p***ionate about America. It has given me (and in my estimation, the world) everything I ever wanted... including the right to disagree, without winding up in a can of dog food. And, because of my p***ionate love of America, warts and all, I will stand up and defend her at the drop of a hat.

Is America always right? No. But for 100 years, it seems to me, it has gotten most of it right. The most powerful force the world has ever known is not conquering other countries. Previous world powers, had a colonial agenda. This included at various times in history: Rome, Greece, Nazi Germany, France, England, Communist Russia and Persia. There are more.

But, aside from the French complaining (don't they always?) about the influx of the AMERICAN CULTURE, I don't see America expanding its borders...All the countries in the world are free to rule themselves as they see fit...as long as they don't threaten anyone else.

So, the letter column has tended to veer towards your letters. I didn't push it there. You did. DON'T START SOMETHING, UNLESS YOU WANT TO FINISH IT. If you write letters and are willing to give...you better be willing to get.

Because I give as good as I get.

"America, love it or leave it?" I never subscribed to that ideal. It's actually UnAmerican. I DO believe in different opinions. But, I am also ashamed of any American especially, who gets up on stage in a different country to badmouth America, while American troops are dying in a desert country they would never want to live in.

Is that behavior giving aid and comfort to the enemy? You bet your friggin' ***.

In life, you should be held accountable for anything that comes out of your mouth.

Yelling FIRE in a movie theater, is NOT freedom of speech.

The war, for the most part is over. The British and the Aussies, (God bless em both,) amid a murky political situation, stood alongside Americans and did what had to be done.

The Iraqi's are free.

I suggest anyone having a problem with this war go talk to the Iraqi's. Ask them if they prefer freedom (even at the price of, initially having what seems to be chaos), or if they prefer Saddam Hussein come back and reinstates the old ways.

I DARE anyone to say the Iraqi's were better off before, under Hussein.

And, after the war dies down, and people here in America go back to normalcy, there will be people who say that they are "non-violent." You don't want to get into fights. But, what that really means is, you don't want to pick on anybody.

Problem is, the bad guys don't always agree with you. You see, if you're against violence and some guy holds a gun to your head and asks you for your money, you better re-think your position. You better become VERY VIOLENT at that moment. Or, you're dead.

Being a Pacifist, is an ideal. I subscribe to it. I'm against violence. But, only CONCEPTUALLY, if you threaten my children, I wouldn't think twice about snapping your neck on the spot. I suspect most people would take my view.

You can tell by the length of this missive, that this issue has gotten under my skin. So, I'll try to recap my feelings, in brief. Get ready, 'cause here comes the truth:

America is the world's only hope for a bright future.

Yes. I mean that. Yes, I know you live in another country and your country is cool, too. But, America is the only Superpower. There are no others. And that means, the world is a better place. Because if Nazi Germany or Communist Russia were the only superpowers, we would all be either dead or forced to live under their regimes.

America is not interested in ruling your country. If you think it does, smoking crack may be your answer.

I wasn't born here. But, I have a love for this country and its people that knows no bounds. I will forever be grateful to America for going into World War II, when it had nothing to gain, in a country that was far away...and rescued my Mother from the Nazi German Concentration Camps.

She is alive and I am alive because of America.

And, if you have a problem with America, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME.

[AK-101]

This is an article written by Gene simmons [Rock group Kiss]
In 1957, he emigrated to New York City as a child with his mother—a Hungarian immigrant and the only member of her family to survive the Holocaust—after his father, Feri Witz, abandoned his family. After emigrating to America, he took the name Gene Klein; he felt that "Gene" was more American than "Chaim," and his mother's maiden name was Klein. In the late 1960s, he changed his name again, to Gene Simmons, as he simply felt that "Gene Klein" did not have enough of a ring to it. He voted for George Bush for this reason. ["When you walk through a bad neighborhood, you don't want a poodle by your side. You want a Rottweiler." ]
I agree with Gene and have done my part to defend America. I will do so until America becomes a diluted socialist country. Then I will fight to restore the America to that it was intended to be by the founding Fathers.
All that we real conservative Americans want in the world is for everyone to have the right to life ,liberty and the pursuit of happiness !!!!! We have our own internal problems [liberal democrats] and we may not make it in the end, but we gave it a hell of a try for the right reasons.
Read this message.:)



I have said in this political climate, that I am ashamed of the behavior of people who call themselves either members of the Democratic Party (whose politics I usually support, incidentally) or as Liberals (funny, I always thought I was one). But, I will not hesitate to tell someone off. I believe in a form of politics that supercedes philosophical discussions. I believe in Pragmatism.

Pacifism is a beautiful word. No one wants war. Not you. Not I. But, the most p***ionate Pacifist is only relatively so. What I mean is, it's easy to be a Pacifist here in America. That's because Hussein and other menaces are far away. The closer a gun is pointed to your head, the less of a Pacifist you are...the more you're interested in stopping the guy pointing the gun to your head.

Granted. Saddam Hussein never pointed a gun to my head. I also never want to wait long enough for him to do so. PRE-EMPTIVE WAR is one of the realities we all have to face. There will never be another 9/11...and I could care less if there is or isn't a direct line to Hussein. He had to go. Period. That regime wouldn't think twice about giving an extremist a suitcase filled with a dirty bomb.

I am p***ionate about America. It has given me (and in my estimation, the world) everything I ever wanted... including the right to disagree, without winding up in a can of dog food. And, because of my p***ionate love of America, warts and all, I will stand up and defend her at the drop of a hat.

Is America always right? No. But for 100 years, it seems to me, it has gotten most of it right. The most powerful force the world has ever known is not conquering other countries. Previous world powers, had a colonial agenda. This included at various times in history: Rome, Greece, Nazi Germany, France, England, Communist Russia and Persia. There are more.

But, aside from the French complaining (don't they always?) about the influx of the AMERICAN CULTURE, I don't see America expanding its borders...All the countries in the world are free to rule themselves as they see fit...as long as they don't threaten anyone else.

So, the letter column has tended to veer towards your letters. I didn't push it there. You did. DON'T START SOMETHING, UNLESS YOU WANT TO FINISH IT. If you write letters and are willing to give...you better be willing to get.

Because I give as good as I get.

"America, love it or leave it?" I never subscribed to that ideal. It's actually UnAmerican. I DO believe in different opinions. But, I am also ashamed of any American especially, who gets up on stage in a different country to badmouth America, while American troops are dying in a desert country they would never want to live in.

Is that behavior giving aid and comfort to the enemy? You bet your friggin' ***.

In life, you should be held accountable for anything that comes out of your mouth.

Yelling FIRE in a movie theater, is NOT freedom of speech.

The war, for the most part is over. The British and the Aussies, (God bless em both,) amid a murky political situation, stood alongside Americans and did what had to be done.

The Iraqi's are free.

I suggest anyone having a problem with this war go talk to the Iraqi's. Ask them if they prefer freedom (even at the price of, initially having what seems to be chaos), or if they prefer Saddam Hussein come back and reinstates the old ways.

I DARE anyone to say the Iraqi's were better off before, under Hussein.

And, after the war dies down, and people here in America go back to normalcy, there will be people who say that they are "non-violent." You don't want to get into fights. But, what that really means is, you don't want to pick on anybody.

Problem is, the bad guys don't always agree with you. You see, if you're against violence and some guy holds a gun to your head and asks you for your money, you better re-think your position. You better become VERY VIOLENT at that moment. Or, you're dead.

Being a Pacifist, is an ideal. I subscribe to it. I'm against violence. But, only CONCEPTUALLY, if you threaten my children, I wouldn't think twice about snapping your neck on the spot. I suspect most people would take my view.

You can tell by the length of this missive, that this issue has gotten under my skin. So, I'll try to recap my feelings, in brief. Get ready, 'cause here comes the truth:

America is the world's only hope for a bright future.

Yes. I mean that. Yes, I know you live in another country and your country is cool, too. But, America is the only Superpower. There are no others. And that means, the world is a better place. Because if Nazi Germany or Communist Russia were the only superpowers, we would all be either dead or forced to live under their regimes.

America is not interested in ruling your country. If you think it does, smoking crack may be your answer.

I wasn't born here. But, I have a love for this country and its people that knows no bounds. I will forever be grateful to America for going into World War II, when it had nothing to gain, in a country that was far away...and rescued my Mother from the Nazi German Concentration Camps.

She is alive and I am alive because of America.

And, if you have a problem with America, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME.

Man I seriously could never have ever said it any better than you just did right now. But you see the problem is the fact not everybody sees eye to eye when it comes to American foreign policies. Kudos for your post.

[Eagle127]

That is because too many people watch American news. They are the downfall of our society! They lie to push their agenda. It is not a good agenda.They are part of the reason we have screwed up so many times in the past 20 yrs. The freedom of the press amendment has come back to haunt us because of liberal abuse . They use it to spew lies to the world. The american left is the only real threat this country has to fear. It will destroy us from within. The dissidents of this world need to aim their attacks on the american left. I'm not saying the American Right is pure,,,,it is not. But we police our own . We stand up against those in our party who are wrong. We defy them . We are Conservative. We are the bloodline of America .We hold the beliefs of the founding fathers.We are the workers,the farmers,the soldiers. We ask nothing from the government except a good military. We are the people you could leave your kids with.

[Wanklord]

It really amazes me the assertions posted above; it appears that the “Vulgar Many” (ordinary Americans who fervidly support the so-called “War on Terror” and Bush’s policies) are trying to display their distorted patriotism by posting comments that in the end only prove how badly informed and unintelligent they are. These “Vulgar many” should reassess the idea of enrolling again in their respective community colleges and take some classes of Political Science (to understand the foundation of US Foreign Policy), United States and World History (to learn more about the roots of this nation and its evolution), Principles of Microeconomics and Macroeconomics (to recognize the basis of all American wars); therefore, they might be able to comprehend that America is not the “seventh heaven” they are trying to portray – their comments only display gruesome levels of ignorance.

"The Vulgar Many are lovers of wealth and pleasure. They are selfish, slothful, and indolent. They can be inspired to rise above their brutish existence only by fear of impending death or catastrophe." (Leo Strauss - German Jew Philosopher)

Typical “Vulgar Many”

http://www.themartialist.com/images/cheney-alvarez01.jpg

http://www.tribalmessenger.org/t-global/protests/images/pro-war/pro-war-22-Flag%20waving%20construction%20workers%20rally%20in%20suppor t%20of%20American%20troops.jpg

[Eagle127]

So you try to associate patriotism with lack of intellectual prowess. You think
all of us are rednecks? Not so. Most of us are the people that still make the USA a productive country. We are the true thinkers. We invent ,we adapt to a changing environment . We are the life blood of this nation. You are ignorant !!!
You think you have an intellectual advantage over me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring it on!
You know nothing about U.S. Foreign policy. I lived it for 30 yrs. I know the policy. I was part of it. Sure some of it was corrupted. That was because [people] were involved. Some people are prone to be corrupted in any country. I'll deal with them before I would deal with a stupid want to be dumb *** Academia student pushing an agenda not based on first hand information or logic.
I don't think that a Democracy is the answer in this world,,,,,,,,,as there are too many stupid people. I think a Benevolent dictator is the way to go. However I am the only qualified fair Benevolent dictator that I know of. My wife would dispute that.
I'll take care of that. She says no, I can't take care of that. Oh well.
Hey Wanklord you are so smart,,,,,,,,,,,do you know why the FTIT temps were so high in the F-100-pw100 engines? I think it was because of the USAF making a requirement for instant throttle response. Pratt told the USAF that they could produce a single crystal turbine blade . They did not. The Metallurgy did not exist at the time of production. So tell me what you think. What about the Vmax switch on the F-15. The switch when activated would overide all parameters of the EEC. You had to have 105 degrees of power angle lever position and be above mach 1.1 . The engines would overspeed and push the Eagle to it's limits. How about the efficiency of the A-310 primary heat exchanger. I had one this week that had a turbine inlet tep that was 90 degrees C. With an ambient temp of 33 deg C and a Duct pressure of 28 psi I should have had a turbine inlet temp of 63 deg max. But then at the same time I had a GPS that would not talk to the autopilot and number 2 and 4 spoilers that had a bad lvdt. What do you think? Your so damn smart.

[Jordan]

It really amazes me the assertions posted above; it appears that the “Vulgar Many” (ordinary Americans who fervidly support the so-called “War on Terror” and Bush’s policies) are trying to display their distorted patriotism by posting comments that in the end only prove how badly informed and unintelligent they are. These “Vulgar many” should reassess the idea of enrolling again in their respective community colleges and take some classes of Political Science (to understand the foundation of US Foreign Policy), United States and World History (to learn more about the roots of this nation and its evolution), Principles of Microeconomics and Macroeconomics (to recognize the basis of all American wars); therefore, they might be able to comprehend that America is not the “seventh heaven” they are trying to portray – their comments only display gruesome levels of ignorance.

"The Vulgar Many are lovers of wealth and pleasure. They are selfish, slothful, and indolent. They can be inspired to rise above their brutish existence only by fear of impending death or catastrophe." (Leo Strauss - German Jew Philosopher)

Typical “Vulgar Many”

http://www.themartialist.com/images/cheney-alvarez01.jpg

http://www.tribalmessenger.org/t-global/protests/images/pro-war/pro-war-22-Flag%20waving%20construction%20workers%20rally%20in%20suppor t%20of%20American%20troops.jpg


Laughing Out Loud.

[Eagle127]

It really amazes me the assertions posted above; it appears that the “Vulgar Many” (ordinary Americans who fervidly support the so-called “War on Terror” and Bush’s policies)

Yep,,,,,just as I thought ,only capable of preprogramed dribble.

[Reality101]

I agree America is not perfect. But if other countries in the world had America power we all probably be living under some one world government. The world does take America for granted. No I'm not saying America is peachy rosy, spreading love and peace throughout the world but it doesn't get any better considering how powerful she really could be.

[AK-101]

It really amazes me the assertions posted above; it appears that the “Vulgar Many” (ordinary Americans who fervidly support the so-called “War on Terror” and Bush’s policies) are trying to display their distorted patriotism by posting comments that in the end only prove how badly informed and unintelligent they are. These “Vulgar many” should reassess the idea of enrolling again in their respective community colleges and take some classes of Political Science (to understand the foundation of US Foreign Policy), United States and World History (to learn more about the roots of this nation and its evolution), Principles of Microeconomics and Macroeconomics (to recognize the basis of all American wars); therefore, they might be able to comprehend that America is not the “seventh heaven” they are trying to portray – their comments only display gruesome levels of ignorance.

"The Vulgar Many are lovers of wealth and pleasure. They are selfish, slothful, and indolent. They can be inspired to rise above their brutish existence only by fear of impending death or catastrophe." (Leo Strauss - German Jew Philosopher)

Typical “Vulgar Many”

http://www.themartialist.com/images/cheney-alvarez01.jpg

http://www.tribalmessenger.org/t-global/protests/images/pro-war/pro-war-22-Flag%20waving%20construction%20workers%20rally%20in%20suppor t%20of%20American%20troops.jpg



lets see you try to get into west point and then you will realize how unintelligent you are.

[Mohmar 'Deathstrike']

I DARE anyone to say the Iraqi's were better off before, under Hussein.
The Iraqis were better off before, under Hussein.

Gene Simmons may be a good rocker, but he's naive and misinformed politically.

[Tbagger]

U.S. should know he is not the god,
though he try to be world policeman,
911 is one kind of war...
We are not God, but we are the only Super Power left. :)

[Night]

We are not God, but we are the only Super Power left. :)

You mean we arent God??? This is confusing :confused: :p

[Darkblade]

Were not god night we are the Great Satan!

[k7river]

The United States was invaded in World War II by both the Germans and the Japanese.

The Japanese attacked both Alaska (The Aleutian Islands) and Hawaii.

The Germans attacked the U.S. ships right along the U.S. Coast throughout world war II, sinking hundreds of non-military vessels, some of which were so close to shore, that people on American beaches could see crew members jumping overboard as their vessels were torpedoed.

The U.S. was also attacked repeatedly throughout the 1970's by Puerto Rican Nationalists (Alpha 66) ... and in 1993 and 2001 by Al Qaeda.

There've also been guerrilla attacks on U.S. bases throughout the cold war, but these were by Soviet commandos who were attacking U.S. bases just to determine how the U.S. Security Forces would respond. They did this in preparation for the day that they may decide for an all out attack on the U.S..

[Night]

The United States was invaded in World War II by both the Germans and the Japanese.

The Japanese attacked both Alaska (The Aleutian Islands) and Hawaii.
At the time, Alaska was not a state, and they didn't "invade" Hawaii, they just attacked it.

The Germans attacked the U.S. ships right along the U.S. Coast throughout world war II, sinking hundreds of non-military vessels, some of which were so close to shore, that people on American beaches could see crew members jumping overboard as their vessels were torpedoed.
Not quite hundreds, but quite a lot. And again, no ground invasion.

The U.S. was also attacked repeatedly throughout the 1970's by Puerto Rican Nationalists (Alpha 66) ... and in 1993 and 2001 by Al Qaeda.
Attacked, not invaded by another country...

There've also been guerrilla attacks on U.S. bases throughout the cold war, but these were by Soviet commandos who were attacking U.S. bases just to determine how the U.S. Security Forces would respond. They did this in preparation for the day that they may decide for an all out attack on the U.S..
And I've never heard of this...got any evidence???

[AK-101]

The U.S. was also attacked repeatedly throughout the 1970's by Puerto Rican Nationalists (Alpha 66) ... and in 1993 and 2001 by Al Qaeda.


Alpha 66 is cuban not puerto rican. And again no ground invasion.

[Mohmar 'Deathstrike']

Furthermore Alpha 66 was an American sponsored terrorist/freedom fighter organization against Cuba.

[Jordan]

The Iraqis were better off before, under Hussein.

Lol yeah... no comment. Millions upon millions were killed and we only got two democratic governments in ww2.

[Night]

Lol yeah... no comment. Millions upon millions were killed and we only got two democratic governments in ww2.

Hundreds of thousands were killed, and lets not leave it to a German armchair general to tell us how the Iraqis were treated before and after Saddam Hussein... :rolleyes:

[Eagle127]

Gene Simmons may be a good rocker, but he's naive and misinformed politically.
__________________
Hey there must be crack in Berlin too !!!!!

[Night]

Gene Simmons may be a good rocker, but he's naive and misinformed politically.
__________________
Hey there must be crack in Berlin too !!!!!

Ummmmm....What?

[Mohmar 'Deathstrike']

Lol yeah... no comment. Millions upon millions were killed and we only got two democratic governments in ww2.
One thousand Iraqis are killed in violence every month. Infrastructure is constantly destroyed. None of this was happening under Saddam Hussein's regime.Gene Simmons may be a good rocker, but he's naive and misinformed politically.
__________________
Hey there must be crack in Berlin too !!!!!There is, but I prefer beer and ye good ol' Mary Jane.

Seriously, what arguments do you guys have that Iraqis are better off now. They don't have freedom, they have terror!

[Jadeite]

Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or 10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed, it will still be a small price to pay. The problem is that the economic despair will be so great that even if it saves [money] by not using weapons, American liquidity will be near zero, and the US will make more money selling a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier to Turkey or Italy for $5 billion, because they will urgently need to recapitalize. But it will be too late. Moreover, what will remain of an American soldier's morale to fight knowing that his whole family died and his country ceased to exist? To fight for what?"

^ That guy is a bit too optimistic. Five to ten cities 'chosen at random'? He seriously underestimates the depth of what an American response would be. The American public wouldn't be howling for revenge, it'd be howling for genocide. Back during the Cold War, our nuclear warplans vs the USSR also called for nuking the crap out of China, even if we weren't in a state of hostilities, simply because they were also communist. An estimated 90% of the population of Albania would be killed just to ensure massive overkill on a strategic radar site, and this guy thinks we'd stop at five or ten cities?

I could honestly see that plan, if it happened, being the effective end of Islam as a world religion. The US would glass every muslim nation in the middle east, and the NATO countries would probably crack down hard on their own muslim populations, simply because they wouldn't be able to take the risk if they don't. China and Russia? If you think being a Chechen or Falun Gong member in those nations is a bad idea now, you have no idea how bad things would get. Being a muslim in those countries after such an event might as well be like wearing a shirt that says "I'm the enemy, shoot me."

[Night]

One thousand Iraqis are killed in violence every month. Infrastructure is constantly destroyed. None of this was happening under Saddam Hussein's regime.
Wrong. Around 300,000 kurds were killed by Saddam.

[Sharky]

No way an invading nation could ever take the US. Like previous posters said, too many people own guns and are trained at using them. I own a pistol (home protection), a rifle (hunting), and a shotgun (hunting). So, I guess that makes me a redneck too :wub2:

Also, another thing to note is the how spread out our population is. There are people literally everywhere through out the US landscape. I am still amazed at how spread out our population is. Think about Iraq's current situation and multiply it by 20 - that what it would be like if another nation invaded the US.

[Mohmar 'Deathstrike']

Wrong. Around 300,000 kurds were killed by Saddam.Source? I heard 5,000 Kurds in an Iranian-held city were gassed during the Iran-Iraq war. Were 1,000 Iraqis dying each weak due to violence before the war as is the case now?

When I googled saddam and 300000, it came up with results saying that Saddam killed 300,000 people in total, not just Kurds throughout his 24-year government. This would amount to 300 months of post-Saddam Iraq, which is 25 years. However, in the 10 years leading up to the invasion, i.e. after the Shia uprising the killed/month figure had dropped dramatically.

[Xerxes]

^^^^

hehe yeah he is right, now you will be the terrror guys, we would be the guys who are being brainwashed by Al-Jazzera

when u removed saddam u remove the binding force, allbeit bitter binding force. Now u have created the very thing that Bush setout to destory in Iraq: a haven for terrorist. lets not forget 100,000 iraqi perished in the gulf wars during bombings and 500,000 died of starvation.

The price that Iraq had to paid for being one of the most educated arabic country and with military authority for the saftey of Israel. The American and their Israeli masters could have never allowed Iraq, a direct long term threat to Israel, to prosper, so it claws had to be cut short in 1991. no it seems it is Iran's turn, the US/Israel planes for Lebonan atleast got derailed for the time being, so thats a good thing.

Did u people know that IAF dropped large quantity of cluster bombs hours before the implimentation of the UN resolution. I guess as **** You present to the Lebanese kids who would play with them unsuspectly.

[Night]

Yes Alpha 66 was a Cuban exile terrorist organization supported and sponsored by the USA...

The USA has sponsored many Cuban terrorist groups..

You call them terrorists, we call them Freedom Fighters :D

[Dylan]

Yeah, many Cubans hate Fidel. Thus the reason a lot of them move to Florida, either legally or illegally.

[Amil]

You call them terrorists, we call them Freedom Fighters :D

ok then for some the same goes for Al Qaida

[NEWUSER]

Unless Canada decides to burn down the white house for the 3rd time around, USA got nothing to worry about.

[Xerxes]

ok then for some the same goes for Al Qaida

it would help to know how much of so-called Al Qaida terror network is real and how much of it is fiction created to give us a bogeyman. frankly, to me American media did a good job expanding the network.

[Mohmar 'Deathstrike']

USA also supported Cuban exile mercinaries pilots whom bombed innoccent women and children in the Congo and other parts of Afrika...I did not know this.

[Mohmar 'Deathstrike']

[QUOTE=Xerxes;42380]Did u people know that IAF dropped large quantity of cluster bombs hours before the implimentation of the UN resolution. I guess as **** You present to the Lebanese kids who would play with them unsuspectly.I heard this on the radio the other day.

[Night]

ok then for some the same goes for Al Qaida

Al Queda isn't fighting for freedom, their sole purpose is to kill Americans.

[Amil]

Al Queda isn't fighting for freedom, their sole purpose is to kill Americans.

Al Qaida claims to be fighting for the freedom of muslim just as Alpha 66 claims to be fighting for the freedom of Cuba:err2:

[Amil]

I did not know this.

yes this is true...the Cuban pilots provided cover for the Belgian and other European forces in Congo, Angola and other places...

[ThePuss]

yes this is true...the Cuban pilots provided cover for the Belgian and other European forces in Congo, Angola and other places...
I think you will find that in the Angolan Civil War, Castro's Cuba supplied its own troops to help the MPLA win and remained in country to sustain their rule. Don't let they facts get in your way though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Movement_for_the_Liberation_of_Angola_-_Party_of_Labour

[Amil]

I think you will find that in the Angolan Civil War, Castro's Cuba supplied its own troops to help the MPLA win and remained in country to sustain their rule. Don't let they facts get in your way though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Movement_for_the_Liberation_of_Angola_-_Party_of_Labour

yes Castro sent troops to fight against the racist white Aparthied regimes....

The USA and Europe sent Cuban exile mercinary pilots supplied by Amerikkka worked for the Belgians....bombing women and children in the Congo

[ThePuss]

yes Castro sent troops to fight against the racist white Aparthied regimes....
No not really, Angola was a war between groups of people sharing the same skin colour but being backed by different Cold War Super Powers. It was a case of another Russian/American proxy war. Let me give you a little tip, history books are one hell of a source of knowledge. Read both sides view then make your mind up. Don't get indoctrinated as the world is really shades of grey depending on how the US, Russia or China want you to view it.

[AK-101]

No not really, Angola was a war between groups of people sharing the same skin colour but being backed by different Cold War Super Powers. It was a case of another Russian/American proxy war. Let me give you a little tip, history books are one hell of a source of knowledge. Read both sides view then make your mind up. Don't get indoctrinated as the world is really shades of grey depending on how the US, Russia or China want you to view it.

lmao.... Dont listen to him, supposedly the white man is trying to put him down...... him and his black socialist groups.

[Amil]

Well im a history major first off....

in the Congo Cuban exile pilots worked with the Belgain colonial masters and bombed women and children...

Belgian white mercinaries were supported by Cuban Amerikkkan pilots....

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n3/congo.html

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0603parenti.htm

Alpha 66 is a groups of Cuban terrorist...they could never manage to topple the Cuban government so they have to settle for machine gunning student residents and kidnapping cuban fishermen...LOL

http://www.terrorfileonline.org/en/index.php/Alpha-66
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10779

[Night]

Well im a history major first off....

in the Congo Cuban exile pilots worked with the Belgain colonial masters and bombed women and children...

Belgian white mercinaries were supported by Cuban Amerikkkan pilots....

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n3/congo.html

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0603parenti.htm

Alpha 66 is a groups of Cuban terrorist...they could never manage to topple the Cuban government so they have to settle for machine gunning student residents and kidnapping cuban fishermen...LOL

http://www.terrorfileonline.org/en/index.php/Alpha-66
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10779

Yes, and I'm sure the cubans are really gratefull that the revolution failed, now they have records on file and if they ever speak against the government they arent allowed to attend college ;)

[Amil]

Yes, and I'm sure the cubans are really gratefull that the revolution failed, now they have records on file and if they ever speak against the government they arent allowed to attend college ;)

wat does that have to do with what i just said?

[Night]

It is a direct comment to your statement about Alpha 66, I don't see how I could have made it any more clearer lol...

[Amil]

It is a direct comment to your statement about Alpha 66, I don't see how I could have made it any more clearer lol...

Alpha 66 is not popular amoung Cubans in living in Cuba...As i said they have attacked innoccent civillians...kidnapped fishermen, bombed civillian targets, attacked students and on and on...i even posted links about them...

So yes cubans are happy Alpha 66 has not succesfully perpetrated more terrorist attacks against the Cuban peoples....

Well i dont know bout Cuba but i know for a fact Amerikkka has records on its citizens on file...I think ever country does...

And again i dont know about Cuba but i know in Amerikkka during the 1950s-1960s if u spoke out against the gov u would be labelled a communist and thus blacklisted which could bar u from attending school...

Quite the same today...just look at what happened to the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against the Government...they have been Barred from performing at certain places and radio stations have even refused to play their music...

So now show me ur proof that in Cuba if u speak out against the gov u are barred from attending school:xmas_emot3:

[Tzipi]

Correct me please...
People from the USA... Living on the land of the USA... Eating from the products of USA... drinking American water... and studying in American colleges
!!! Are against AMERICA!!!
i can't believe my sharp eyes... this is why we have laws about terrorism inside the USA... and much further UK...

[Xerxes]

Mr night. your vid "U.S. war crimes in Iraq!! Horrible video!" is quite intresting. lots of nice photo ops hehehe

[AK-101]

Alpha 66 is not popular amoung Cubans in living in Cuba...As i said they have attacked innoccent civillians...kidnapped fishermen, bombed civillian targets, attacked students and on and on...i even posted links about them...

So yes cubans are happy Alpha 66 has not succesfully perpetrated more terrorist attacks against the Cuban peoples....

Well i dont know bout Cuba but i know for a fact Amerikkka has records on its citizens on file...I think ever country does...

And again i dont know about Cuba but i know in Amerikkka during the 1950s-1960s if u spoke out against the gov u would be labelled a communist and thus blacklisted which could bar u from attending school...

Quite the same today...just look at what happened to the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against the Government...they have been Barred from performing at certain places and radio stations have even refused to play their music...

So now show me ur proof that in Cuba if u speak out against the gov u are barred from attending school:xmas_emot3:

and what about if you spoke out in Cuba just after the revolucion and today, you were labeled as an anti-revolutionary and sent to jail to be beaten. What about that RAQIN?? YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO LIVE UNDER FIDELS REGIME SO SHUT YOUR TRAP ALREADY. You wanna talk about performers being barred from performing, lets talk about Celia Cruz. How come Celia Cruz was barred from playing in Havana when she refused not to sing a song about leaving Cuba for a better life, HUH?! Why did the goverment decide which instruments were allowed to be played at clubs and concerts? "You are not allowed to play with the Saxafone because it was an invention of the impearlist pigs." What about that Raqin? YOU DONT KNOW **** ABOUT CUBA SO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!

[Xerxes]

we dont know how much of Al-qaida is real and how much of it expanded into James-bond type super-duper villian by the propoganda machine. what we know of it was one of the many groups fighting in afghnistan. I guess Osama's absolute determination to kill americans everywhere helped a lot US department designation of Al-qaida as a James-bond type super-duper villian. They are villian, no doubt about that. but wether they are networked in the entire world as Rumsfeld and Cheney makes them, that something else. ... too be honest with you guys, watching the War on the Terror on CNN and other mainstream, looks like to me a movie with Al-qaida as the main villian streching its terror network everywhere while everywhere brave American soldiers give up their lives so that we could be free. All they ask for us is to overlook the occaisonnal rape and murder of innocent people.

[Amil]

Correct me please...
People from the USA... Living on the land of the USA... Eating from the products of USA... drinking American water... and studying in American colleges
!!! Are against AMERICA!!!
i can't believe my sharp eyes... this is why we have laws about terrorism inside the USA... and much further UK...

"You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. "-Malcolm X:smile1:

[NEWUSER]

Amil, your sig is huge - is it possible to reduce in size?

Maybe like this

[Night]

New, youll want to make it a transparent .GIF file or .PNG

[NEWUSER]

for the record i liked the old smilies better

[Night]

much better :) I liked old smilies better too :(

[AK-101]

wtf how does raqin have another account if hes other got banned?

[Reality101]

Poverty in America would create stability in the US. Offcourse, the world's attention will be alot moved on from US by then. Civil war would lead to the breakup of the country (alot of black and hispanic nations) which will lead alot of wars in the then known as the 'former United States of America'.

Nice scenario eh!


I disagree somewhat. If america is to have a civil war it wont be about race. I think it will be the middle class working america getting fed up with those freaking republican getting richer

[Amil]

I disagree somewhat. If america is to have a civil war it wont be about race. I think it will be the middle class working america getting fed up with those freaking republican getting richer

the classes are defined by race:tired1_24:

[Night]

Most poor people in America are at fault for their own fianancial situation. Some of America's richest men come from the poorest families.

[Amil]

Most poor people in America are at fault for their own fianancial situation. Some of America's richest men come from the poorest families.

Not entirely true:tired1_24:

[Sharky]

Most poor people in America are at fault for their own fianancial situation. Some of America's richest men come from the poorest families.

this is exactly true. I work in an engineering firm that consists of every race and creed possible. I am white, my boss is chinese, my coworkers are philpanese, asian, black, white, korean, female, an male. My coworkers come from rich and poor families... many paying their own way through college with loans. To make it in the US democracy, especially in the year 2006, all it takes is hard work and dedication. To say other wise is very ignorant and and short sided. Many people have mentors and parents that have embedded a blame-based mindset in them. If you can get over that, anything is possible.

Statistics show that all you have do in the US to sta out of poverty is 2 things. Get a post high school education, and do not have a child until you are older than 22 - no matter of what race you are. It's that easy. Don't blame it on "the man". Blame it on yourself or your parents. And once you are a certain age, you can no longer blame your parents. It is up to the individual.

[Amil]

Statistics show that all you have do in the US to sta out of poverty is 2 things. Get a post high school education, and do not have a child until you are older than 22 - no matter of what race you are. It's that easy. Don't blame it on "the man". Blame it on yourself or your parents. And once you are a certain age, you can no longer blame your parents. It is up to the individual.


Like i said thats only partially true...

poverty is a cycle...Kids born into poor families live in poor areas...meaning more drugs and other things to side track them...The parent probably is out working most of the time so they dont have a parent to push them...Living in a poor area they go to a less than standard school and get a poor education...poor education means poor paying job....they have kids and the cycle continues...

So its not that simple like u try to make it...

[Night]

Like i said thats only partially true...

poverty is a cycle...Kids born into poor families live in poor areas...meaning more drugs and other things to side track them...The parent probably is out working most of the time so they dont have a parent to push them...Living in a poor area they go to a less than standard school and get a poor education...poor education means poor paying job....they have kids and the cycle continues...

So its not that simple like u try to make it...

Kids from this situation can still go to college and educate themselves. They arent at the whim of their surroundings. Their life is what they make it to be. Condoleezza Rice is a good example of these.

They can also choose to go to schools that arent near their home.

[Amil]

Kids from this situation can still go to college and educate themselves. They arent at the whim of their surroundings. Their life is what they make it to be. Condoleezza Rice is a good example of these.

They can also choose to go to schools that arent near their home.

no they cant go to college...if they get a bad education because they come from a poor area they might not even test high enough to get into school or most likely they wont be able to afford it...and they cant just choose to go to schools that are not near their houses...U cant just go to schools outside ur district and if they are poor and living in a 1 parent household most likely they wouldnt even have transportation...

Condesleeza doent come from a poor family...she comes from a middle class Birmingham, 2 parent household...who in their right minds would want to be like Condeleeza Rice anyway?? She is just a puppet of her masters:(

So Condeleeza Rice does not prove ur point...anyway there will always be some exceptions...but we are not concerned with the lucky few...we are concerned with the masses...
like i said

poverty is a cycle...Kids born into poor families live in poor areas...meaning more drugs and other things to side track them...The parent probably is out working most of the time so they dont have a parent to push them...Living in a poor area they go to a less than standard school and get a poor education...poor education means poor paying job....they have kids and the cycle continues...
:xmas_emot3:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/rakeen101/condoleza.jpg

[Night]

no they cant go to college...if they get a bad education because they come from a poor area they might not even test high enough to get into school or most likely they wont be able to afford it...and they cant just choose to go to schools that are not near their houses...U cant just go to schools outside ur district and if they are poor and living in a 1 parent household most likely they wouldnt even have transportation...

Condesleeza doent come from a poor family...she comes from a middle class Birmingham, 2 parent household...who in their right minds would want to be like Condeleeza Rice anyway?? She is just a puppet of her masters:(

So Condeleeza Rice does not prove ur point...anyway there will always be some exceptions...but we are not concerned with the lucky few...we are concerned with the masses...
like i said

poverty is a cycle...Kids born into poor families live in poor areas...meaning more drugs and other things to side track them...The parent probably is out working most of the time so they dont have a parent to push them...Living in a poor area they go to a less than standard school and get a poor education...poor education means poor paying job....they have kids and the cycle continues...
:xmas_emot3:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/rakeen101/condoleza.jpg

I kow several people who come from impoverished areas, and they do just fine! You make the mistake of generalising poor peoples...some have good schools.

[Tbagger]

wtf how does raqin have another account if hes other got banned?

Apparently, he wasn't supposed to be banned in the first place.

[Night]

I warned him 3 times, for rascist comments of which he clearly deserved, and was automatically banned. IMO he should still be banned and I wont resist giving him more infractions if he ever talks like that again.

[Tbagger]

no they cant go to college...if they get a bad education because they come from a poor area they might not even test high enough to get into school or most likely they wont be able to afford it...and they cant just choose to go to schools that are not near their houses...U cant just go to schools outside ur district and if they are poor and living in a 1 parent household most likely they wouldnt even have transportation...

Condesleeza doent come from a poor family...she comes from a middle class Birmingham, 2 parent household...who in their right minds would want to be like Condeleeza Rice anyway?? She is just a puppet of her masters:(

So Condeleeza Rice does not prove ur point...anyway there will always be some exceptions...but we are not concerned with the lucky few...we are concerned with the masses...
like i said

poverty is a cycle...Kids born into poor families live in poor areas...meaning more drugs and other things to side track them...The parent probably is out working most of the time so they dont have a parent to push them...Living in a poor area they go to a less than standard school and get a poor education...poor education means poor paying job....they have kids and the cycle continues...
:xmas_emot3:

That's bullsh1t. I grew up in a poor area of my city and I'm an excellent student. It's just that morons that choose smoke trees and cut class that end up staying in poor areas and not going to college. IMO, they get what the deserve. I have absolutly no pitty for them whatsoever.

[Amil]

I warned him 3 times, for rascist comments of which he clearly deserved, and was automatically banned. IMO he should still be banned and I wont resist giving him more infractions if he ever talks like that again.

cause i was talking about whites savage history in the Americas and discussing how whites commiting genocide against native Americans doesnt make me rascist...i was only speaking of common history...

i used no racial slurs or epithets...

u only warned me cause u didnt like what i was saying but none the less its the truth of Amerikkkan HIStory...:xmas_emot3:

the truth hurts...maybe...

[Sharky]

people can continue to come up with reasons for their situations, but they have no one but htem selves to blame. A very good friend of mine, not the brightest guy in the world, was able to make through college on his own. He had aweful grades in highschool, but once everyone started shipping off to college, a light bulb went off in his head. He realised that he needed to get an education. He got a job waiting tables, and went to community college for 2 years. He then transfered his credits over to a university and graduated the same time I did ... from the same college. He worked his *** off, paid his own way through, and got a degree. He did it all himself. You cant blame your environment. You can only blame yourself. 80% of the people around the world would love to have the opportunities that the "poor" people in the US have.

[Amil]

people can continue to come up with reasons for their situations, but they have no one but htem selves to blame. A very good friend of mine, not the brightest guy in the world, was able to make through college on his own. He had aweful grades in highschool, but once everyone started shipping off to college, a light bulb went off in his head. He realised that he needed to get an education. He got a job waiting tables, and went to community college for 2 years. He then transfered his credits over to a university and graduated the same time I did ... from the same college. He worked his *** off, paid his own way through, and got a degree. He did it all himself. You cant blame your environment. You can only blame yourself. 80% of the people around the world would love to have the opportunities that the "poor" people in the US have.

Once again poverty is a cycle...
And once again like i said there are always exceptions to the rules but once again we are not concerned about the lucky few, i am concerned with the masses of poor whom generation after generation are stuck in a cycle of poverty...:worried2:

a kid that grows up in Beverly Hills in a 2 parent home will have more opurtunities in society than a kid that grows up in Harlem living with their grandma on welfare....

poverty is a cycle...Kids born into poor families live in poor areas...meaning more drugs and other things to side track them...The parent probably is out working most of the time so they dont have a parent to push them...Living in a poor area they go to a less than standard school and get a poor education...poor education means poor paying job....they have kids and the cycle continues

[Sharky]

I disagree. My grandparents were poor as dirt. One was an orphan with no parents. AHe was basically homeless from the age of 11. My father was born in a freaking tent. My mother grew up with an alcoholic father that beat his wife in front of the kids. Both were very poor when children. My father joined the army, got a technical degree and my mother worked to pay for my college. Both of my parents were great parents dispite their past. The poverty cycle can stop at any time. It just takes a lot of effort and the deletion of blame.

[Amil]

I disagree. My grandparents were poor as dirt. My father was born in a freaking tent. My mother grew up with an alcoholic father that beat his mother. Both were very poor when children. My father joined the army, got a technical degree and my mother worked to pay for my college. The poverty cycle can stop at any time. It just takes a lot of effort and the deletion of blame.

HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES!!!

ALL IM SAYING IS A CHILD BORN IN BEVERLY HILLS HAS MORE OPPURTUNITY AND IS MORE LIKELY TO SUCEED AS OPPOSSED TO A CHILD BORN INTO THE GHETTOS OF EAST SAINT LOUIS.....

[Sharky]

HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES!!!

ALL IM SAYING IS A CHILD BORN IN BEVERLY HILLS HAS MORE OPPURTUNITY AND IS MORE LIKELY TO SUCEED AS OPPOSSED TO A CHILD BORN INTO THE GHETTOS OF EAST SAINT LOUIS.....

No crap man. That's like saying a bowling ball has a better chance of rolling down a hill than a card board box. My point is that the exact reasoning that you are stating is an empty excuse that people need to stop using. Thanks for making my point for me.

[Tbagger]

ALL IM SAYING IS A CHILD BORN IN BEVERLY HILLS HAS MORE OPPURTUNITY AND IS MORE LIKELY TO SUCEED AS OPPOSSED TO A CHILD BORN INTO THE GHETTOS OF EAST SAINT LOUIS.....
So, what's your point?

Idiots stay in poverty because they chose to not to go to school and get an education. They have have no one to blame, but themselves.

[Amil]

So, what's your point?

Idiots stay in poverty because they chose to not to go to school and get an education. They have have no one to blame, but themselves.

yeah so ur saying poor peoples actually choose to stay poor...thats not true at all...

[Night]

So, what's your point?

Idiots stay in poverty because they chose to not to go to school and get an education. They have have no one to blame, but themselves.

Completely and totally true.

Can we get on topic now? :)

[Tbagger]

yeah so ur saying poor peoples actually choose to stay poor...thats not true at all...
They have two choices: get an education and leave, or drop out and flip burgers.

Their decision.

[Amil]

And like i said its a cycle cause if u live in a poor neighborhood u wont get a good education and consequently u wont get into college and wont get a good job

[Night]

yeah so ur saying poor peoples actually choose to stay poor...thats not true at all...

Its completely true, now get back on topic.

[Tbagger]

And like i said its a cycle cause if u live in a poor neighborhood u wont get a good education and consequently u wont get into college and wont get a good job
Wait, but I'm a college bound senior in high school who grew up in the poor area of the city.

So by your logic, I'll still stay in the ghetto even after I earn my degree.

[kalay]

Wait, but I'm a college bound senior in high school who grew up in the poor area of the city.

So by your logic, I'll stay still in the ghetto even after I earn my degree.

It depends of you lol :)

And for the topic , USA wont have war on their territory , it could happened if some big nature disaster happened .... How we all know most of the "americans" can be easy feared from anything that is unkown for them :D

[Night]

How we all know most of the "americans" can be easy feared from anything that is unkown for them :D

Isn't that most humans??

[Reality101]

Its completely true, now get back on topic.

I disagree. Poor kids are set up to fail. Yes some make it out but that does not mean its fair.

Education spending per district HS. Grade school etc are usually base on the communties income. Mean poor kids education will be at the bottom.

Everyone has access to hit that straight american dream path but some people roads are full of mountains while other are handed a ticket.

So no its not fair.

[Night]

I disagree. Poor kids are set up to fail. Yes some make it out but that does not mean its fair.

Education spending per district HS. Grade school etc are usually base on the communties income. Mean poor kids education will be at the bottom.

Everyone has access to hit that straight american dream path but some people roads are full of mountains while other are handed a ticket.

So no its not fair.
Life isn't fair, but 99.9% of the time, it is either the kid's fault or the parent's fault.

[Reality101]

Life isn't fair, but 99.9% of the time, it is either the kid's fault or the parent's fault.

or society ie govt

[Night]

or society ie govt

The government gives kids every damned opportunity they need to succeed. It is the kids or parent's fault that they cant maintain passing grades...

[Amil]

I disagree. Poor kids are set up to fail. Yes some make it out but that does not mean its fair.

Education spending per district HS. Grade school etc are usually base on the communties income. Mean poor kids education will be at the bottom.

Everyone has access to hit that straight american dream path but some people roads are full of mountains while other are handed a ticket.

So no its not fair.

exactly...:)

[Dylan]

The only solution to that problem is Communism, which failed on several occasions and human nature won't allow it to work so you can rule that out. Also, poor people get welfare and unemployment if they don't have a job for a while. If you are born poor, it does NOT by any means you will be poor unless you follow a poor path that your parents took of not finishing high school and not going to college. You don't need any money whatsoever to get into college in the U.S. There are scholarships, and student loans that are setup so anyone can get into college. If someone says they have no money for college, so they can't go, it's an excuse. There is no reason for failure and poverty. The military is also an option for financial assistance.

[Reality101]

The only solution to that problem is Communism, which failed on several occasions and human nature won't allow it to work so you can rule that out. Also, poor people get welfare and unemployment if they don't have a job for a while. If you are born poor, it does NOT by any means you will be poor unless you follow a poor path that your parents took of not finishing high school and not going to college. You don't need any money whatsoever to get into college in the U.S. There are scholarships, and student loans that are setup so anyone can get into college. If someone says they have no money for college, so they can't go, it's an excuse. There is no reason for failure and poverty. The military is also an option for financial assistance.



Well getting to the age of 18 without becoming a product of your poor environment is no cakewalk. You have so much to overcome just to get through HS and even have a chance at college.

Whatever you are born into that is your essence. Its hard to think about college when you just trying to get by in life.

[Amil]

Well getting to the age of 18 without becoming a product of your poor environment is no cakewalk. You have so much to overcome just to get through HS and even have a chance at college.

Whatever you are born into that is your essence. Its hard to think about college when you just trying to get by in life.

couldnt have said it better!!

like i said poverty is a cycle...its not that easy as just go to school and get an education:laugh4:

[Night]

couldnt have said it better!!

like i said poverty is a cycle...its not that easy as just go to school and get an education:laugh4:

"Poverty is a cycle" is just a sad excuse for people who are too lazy to better themselves.

[Amil]

:biggrin1: "Poverty is a cycle" is just a sad excuse for people who are too lazy to better themselves.

no its not a excuse its reality...poor peoples are not lazy!! Many times they have to work 2 minimum wage jobs just to get bye....unless ur implying certain groups are inherently lazy....:suspicious4:

[Night]

:biggrin1:

no its not a excuse its reality...poor peoples are not lazy!! Many times they have to work 2 minimum wage jobs just to get bye....unless ur implying certain groups are inherently lazy....:suspicious4:

They may not be lazy now, but they were lazy/stupid at a time in their life when it truely counted ;)

I hope I'm not offending anyone with my comments either

[Tbagger]

Well getting to the age of 18 without becoming a product of your poor environment is no cakewalk. You have so much to overcome just to get through HS and even have a chance at college.

Whatever you are born into that is your essence. Its hard to think about college when you just trying to get by in life.
It's no cakewalk, but not really that hard, trust me, all you have to do is apply yourself. All you have to do is stay away from drugs, and if you're smart enough, be in the top ten percent of your high school. Then, you can bascally get into any university you like.

My school and neighborhood is one of the "ghetto-est" in the city, btw.

[Sharky]

All you have to do is stay away from drugs, and if you're smart enough, be in the top ten percent of your high school. Then, you can bascally get into any university you like

You don't even need to do that. You can sqeeze by in high school, do drugs, and be lazy. But, you have t eventually wake up and decide to change your life. Once you do that, you get rid of all your bills ... you're poor, so you do not need a cell phone. You are poor, so you do not need new clothes every 6 months. You are poor, so you do not need to eat out every day. You are poor, so you do not need a car.

step 1 - get your mind set.
step 2 - get a job, any job.
step 3 - look in the classifides and get an appartment with 3 people to cut living costs.
step 4 - limit your spending to a bare minimum.
step 5 - start night classes at a community college.
step 6 - get a 2 year degree at community college, or transfer credits to a university.
step 7 - if transfering credits, get a student loan.
step 8- graduate from university.

Dedication is hard. Learning/studying is hard. Life is hard. You either dedicate yourself and get sh1t done, or you stop complaining about your situation.

Do you think our great great great grandparents complained when they were hungry? Hell no, they got their *** in the farm fields and planted vegetables to eat. Or they worked their *** off to make a dime to buy a meal. This is the same situation today ... survival, but wraped up in a new cover. Instead of working ur asses off in the farm field, we work our asses off be learning needed traits ... electrician, engineer, designer, data input, etc.

Dedication is tough ... I worked my *** off, went through times of total dispare, and sacrificed many 'wants' to get where I am today. And I expect every other person to do the same. If jobs were easy to get, they wouldn't call it work.

Sorry man, but life is freaking hard for everyone, even these "silver spoon" people as you like to call them. They work there *** off by learning as much as they can in a small amount of time ... they look at society and try to see what is needed ... they use this info to decide which sciences/maths/traits to learn ... just because someone is born in a nice neighborhood does not mean they don't have to work just as hard as the poor people. People need to stop comparing themselve to others. All you can do is look at your own situation and ask yourself, "am I happy where I am?". If the answer is yes, then your fine. If it is no, the you ask yourself, "what do I do about it?". And you move on from there. Life is a simple/hard as we decide to make it. You can't blame anyone but yourself.

[Amil]

step 1 - get your mind set.
step 2 - get a job, any job.
step 3 - look in the classifides and get an appartment with 3 people to cut living costs.
step 4 - limit your spending to a bare minimum.
step 5 - start night classes at a community college.
step 6 - get a 2 year degree at community college, or transfer credits to a university.
step 7 - if transfering credits, get a student loan.
step 8- graduate from university.
.

LOL...yea its thats smple

just get a job...and look in the new paper and get an apartment huh? First off its not a given u can just get a job...the job may not pay enough for rent...yeah just get 3 peoples to rent with u...get them from where? not everyone has 3 peoples to rent with them...and the tenents for whatever reason may choose not to rent to u...

Yeah and just start night classes...what if u work at night? Or have kids? what if u cant afford school?

and what about life ....kids...and other things

like i said nothing is that simple...if it was that simple no one would be poor in America...then again for the American western capitalistic system to work some one must be on the bottom...that is Western capitalism...

[Sharky]

My first points when entering this debate were .... to stay out of poverty people must do 2 things,
1) get an education
2) do not have children until you are older than 21 (or educated)

You are correct. Having children before you are educated will drastically lower your posibilities of getting out of poverty. But that is one of lifes most obvious lessons - everyone knows this, even as children we know it. There is a point of no return when it comes to poverty, and having kids when you are already in poverty is one of the best ways to get yourself to that point. Many times, family and friends are your only ways out when you get to this point.

Have you checked the classifides lately ... there are always people looking for room mates. Clean yourself up, dress respectfully, and you will have no problem finding room mates. I saw my room mate single handedly work nights to put himself through school and pay his bills. Don't tell me it cant be done. He did this by waiting tables and limiting his spending. He still had time to hang out with us and live a happy life.

LOL...yea its thats smple

just get a job...and look in the new paper and get an apartment huh? First off its not a given u can just get a job...the job may not pay enough for rent...yeah just get 3 peoples to rent with u...get them from where? not everyone has 3 peoples to rent with them...and the tenents for whatever reason may choose not to rent to u...

Yeah and just start night classes...what if u work at night? Or have kids? what if u cant afford school?

and what about life ....kids...and other things

like i said nothing is that simple...if it was that simple no one would be poor in Amerikkka...then again for the Amerikkkan western capitalistic system to work some one must be on the bottom...that is Western capitalism...

[Tbagger]

and what about life ....kids...and other things

like i said nothing is that simple...if it was that simple no one would be poor in America...then again for the American western capitalistic system to work some one must be on the bottom...that is Western capitalism...
It's not impossible to overcome poverty in America.

People are stuck in poverty because they are damned lazy and think they can just leech off welfare. :mad:

[Reality101]

It's not impossible to overcome poverty in America.

People are stuck in poverty because they are damned lazy and think they can just leech off welfare. :mad:

not impossible but its not easy. Not everyone is stuck in poverty because they are lazy. lots of people become the product of the system. What if your handed a gun at a early ages and your told to commit crimes. This is all you know.

Next thing you know you have a criminal record. No one wants to hire you. You already wasted your child hood so you are lacking education starting from early childhood.

[Night]

not impossible but its not easy. Not everyone is stuck in poverty because they are lazy. lots of people become the product of the system. What if your handed a gun at a early ages and your told to commit crimes. This is all you know.

Next thing you know you have a criminal record. No one wants to hire you. You already wasted your child hood so you are lacking education starting from early childhood.

Then it is the parent's fault.

My point in this is that the government is not completely accountable for poor people in society.

[Amil]

Then it is the parent's fault.

My point in this is that the government is not completely accountable for poor people in society.

I never said the government was completely responsible for peoples poverty...many factors contribute to the cycle of poverty in which peoples find themselves in...That said government can be one of these factors:xmas_emot3:

[Sharky]

...then again for the American western capitalistic system to work some one must be on the bottom...that is Western capitalism...

You are very misinformed. True there will always be a balance that forces certain people in lower paying jobs, but the US economy can easily support a higher percentage of educated workers. You also have to understand population curves to see your statements are totally false. When people are more educated, they bring new ideas to the work force, which in turn brings higher productivity. It is a positive chain affect. Someone has greatly misinformed you about the reality. You are very eager to denounce every situation we have presented you.

Another point is that finding skilled workers in the next ten years is going to be a huge problem. Companies are now trying to figure out whom they are going to hire when the baby boomers start retiring. Plus, overall, the US population is having fewer babies, meaning fewer workers. The US economy is already in desperate need of more tech and health care workers. Because of the lack of people/students skilled in math and sciences, many work visas are given to foreigners to take these positions. There is plenty of room for the poverty population to step up and join the work force.

Please read >this (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060905/ap_on_bi_ge/creative_hiring)< article for more information.

And please educate yourself more on socio-economical issues. Somewhere down the line someone has filled you with lies that you are holding onto for dear life.

[Amil]

I never said the government was completely responsible for peoples poverty...many factors contribute to the cycle of poverty in which peoples find themselves in...That said government can be one of these factors

what about that statement was false??:)

[Sharky]

reread my post, and note which statement I quoted ...
...then again for the American western capitalistic system to work some one must be on the bottom...that is Western capitalism...

What I am debating now is that our economy can handle absorbing the poverty population.
Stop simply browsing my statements, and read them. Try to understand them, not pick them apart. Our economy (capitalism) can easily support a non-poverty society. It would adjust to accept it. Do you realize how much we pay each year for welfare and other social programs? A sh1t-ton. Now image 2 things ... 1)Our population was educated to a point where there was no poverty (or low poverty). 2) there was no need for welfare.
People would spend more money which would create more jobs, which means people would make more money. I know I have simplified it, but that is the general way our economy works.

[Cobra Commander]

and if you're smart enough, be in the top ten percent of your high school. Then, you can bascally get into any university you like.

My school and neighborhood is one of the "ghetto-est" in the city, btw.

Any university, right? If your a WASP maybe. :huh2:

What do you consider "ghetto-est"? Does it have metal detectors? Police? Random locker searches? Drug searchs during assemblys? Riots? Gang members? Corrupt administrators?

Its very easy to learn in that kind of enviroment [/Sarcasm].


You don't even need to do that. You can sqeeze by in high school, do drugs, and be lazy. But, you have t eventually wake up and decide to change your life. Once you do that, you get rid of all your bills ... you're poor, so you do not need a cell phone. You are poor, so you do not need new clothes every 6 months. You are poor, so you do not need to eat out every day. You are poor, so you do not need a car.

step 1 - get your mind set.
step 2 - get a job, any job.
step 3 - look in the classifides and get an appartment with 3 people to cut living costs.
step 4 - limit your spending to a bare minimum.
step 5 - start night classes at a community college.
step 6 - get a 2 year degree at community college, or transfer credits to a university.
step 7 - if transfering credits, get a student loan.
step 8- graduate from university.


Welcome to Fantasy Land. I love how everything is so cut and dry.

Here's a suggestion, move all the impoverished people into camps and train them into the ideal workforce that will work low paying service jobs for the rest of their lives. Thats about as easy as your 8 step plan.

There are millions of factors that prevent people from being able to go to school and better their lives. Its seems like people that "have" love to blame and piss on the "have-nots".

[Tbagger]

Any university, right? If your a WASP maybe. :huh2:

What do you consider "ghetto-est"? Does it have metal detectors? Police? Random locker searches? Drug searchs during assemblys? Riots? Gang members? Corrupt administrators?

No for the searches and yes for the cops, and gangs (There was a riot back in 2002, but I was not in high school yet).

Schools like UCLA are actually looking for more Blacks and Latinos to attend because there are so little in the student population. All you need is to get good grades.

[Sharky]

What I am showing is that it is possible, not that it is easy.

I am not pissing or looking down on anyone. What I am stating is that people do not have to settle for poverty. There are ways to get out of it. And most importantly, there are ways to avoid it.

[Night]

What I am showing is that it is possible, not that it is easy.

I am not pissing or looking down on anyone. What I am stating is that people do not have to settle for poverty. There are ways to get out of it. And most importantly, there are ways to avoid it.

If your black however, the evil white supremacy groups, such as Hershey's chocolate, will keep you down in the ghetto [/sarcasm]

[leftwing]

The US is already getting invaded and destroyed, no nation in history with major economical gaps between multiple ethnicities have proved stable. Getting invaded by illegal immigrants who sooner or later will riot when the gov keeps denying them papers for legal paid work. This is not rascism, its the truth. Civil disorder and fighting is what will bring the US down, or turn it into a massive police state which its already on its way of becoming.

[mrdefense]

Yes. Both foreign and local grounds will be attacked. Full scale 2025-2050 depending on the circumstances. I'm not a doomsdayer or the like, just a realist. Eventually every great power will be challenged.... the US will be challenged within the years above.... . Terrorist will only be blip on the screen ... to what is really comming. .... Appeasment will yet again become policy in the upcomming years with soft leadership in the new oval office.

[nazimick]

lol, the US population would make the Iraqi Insurgency look like a bunch of giddy, German school girls. :), yes but if somehow america was nuked then that would solve the problem

[Night]

, yes but if somehow america was nuked then that would solve the problem

lol, that would end ALL problems within a 30 minute time period, if you know what I mean ;)

http://www.jesuits.ca/justicecr/SocTeach_Jc/AssisiPeace/NukeBomb.jpg

[Native]

I was trying to find anything about German commando's captured in Texas during WWII but only found this little blurb about invasions of U.S. soil.

The British Army captured Washington D.C. during the War of 1812 and set fire to the White House and other buildings. In 1942 the Japanese seized the islands of Attu, Kiska, and Agattu in Alaska’s Aleutian chain. At the time, Alaska was not a U.S. state but it was a territory, so it was still U.S. “soil.” The United States recaptured the islands the following year. On December 8, 1941 the Japanese took over Guam and occupied it until the U.S. recaptured it in the Battle of Guam, July 1944. [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn

[Xerxes]

I was trying to find anything about German commando's captured in Texas during WWII but only found this little blurb about invasions of U.S. soil.

The British Army captured Washington D.C. during the War of 1812 and set fire to the White House and other buildings. In 1942 the Japanese seized the islands of Attu, Kiska, and Agattu in Alaska’s Aleutian chain. At the time, Alaska was not a U.S. state but it was a territory, so it was still U.S. “soil.” The United States recaptured the islands the following year. On December 8, 1941 the Japanese took over Guam and occupied it until the U.S. recaptured it in the Battle of Guam, July 1944. [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn


thanks for the info,
now about your signature, isnt that dependent of one's perspective???

Surely the Spanish insurgency that ravaged Napoleon's army in Spain in 1807-1812 were referred as terrorist by the Imperial France. However, they were fighting for the freedom of Spain. and I can assure they committed acts of violence toward the captured French soldier that would make Al-Zarqawi' beheading campaing in Iraq look like a picnic.

Another case, the Vichy government was the legitiamate goverment in France after the fall of third republic, no matter how immoral it was. Therefore the Free French were nothin but terrorist to the wehrmacht, Nazi and the Vichi. but we all know that the true terrorist were the Nazi, whose terror loomed over Europe.

Do not get my wrong, if the event of 911 were indeed comitted by Bin landen and co. then they are terrorist and they are of a lesser breed than their American couterpart seating in the White House.

Now, what is the different between the man who with