India/Indonesia develops military pact

[BornB4]

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200706230341.htm

Indonesia mulls defence deal with India
Jakarta, June 23 (Xinhua): Indonesia is considering the establishment of joint ventures with India to produce military equipment after defence officials of the two countries met here last week, local press said on Friday.

Indonesia also is seeking ways to procure tanks, ships and heavy ammunition from India and studying the possibility of using India's maintenance services for war planes it bought from Russia, reported English daily The Jakarta Post.

Indian military and defense officials have reviewed Indonesia's defense companies, including PT LEN, PT PAL, PT Pindad and PT Dirgantara, to determine what types of military products the two countries can produce together, the newspaper quoted a government spokesman as saying.

Defense officials from the two countries gathered here last week in the first-ever Joint Defense Cooperation Committee meeting.

"During the joint committee meeting, we talked about how we can cooperate in the military and defense sector, as well as what kind of products and services India can provide for the Indonesian Army, Navy and Air Force," said Defense Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Edy Butar Butar.

"For instance, the Army is considering buying tanks and other heavy ammunition, while the Air Force is studying the possibility (of India) doing maintenance on our Sukhoi planes because the country has a license from Russia to produce the planes."

Edy said it had been determined that letting India do the Sukhoi maintenance would be cheaper than giving the service to Russia.

And, as India has the capacity to build warships, he said, the Navy and PT PAL could cooperate with Indian firms on this.
Don't think Pakistan will like the idea of Iranian produced Shahab-3s being launched by Indonesia assisting an Indian bombbardment of Islamabad. Man India has allies, is a developing state and Pakistan is still a stone-age litter box.

[indianguy]

Normally on International arena .. Relations are not by Religions .

every country do have to check its security and fulfill its reqiurement.

Indonesia is having warm relationship with China . nice to hear that India and Indonesia are looking forward for defence pact.

The security agreement between India and Indonesia, said a defense ministry spokesman in Jakarta, could include human resource training, the exchange of officers, joint border patrols, counter terrorism and battling sea piracy.

[kasaeed]

Don't think Pakistan will like the idea of Iranian produced Shahab-3s being launched by Indonesia assisting an Indian bombbardment of Islamabad. Man India has allies, is a developing state and Pakistan is still a stone-age litter box.

I don't think Iran or Indonesia will ever attack Pakistan. But These two countries materially helped Pakistan in it wars. Iran gave oil and airports, Indonesia gave its navy. This shows Pakistani foreign policy is failing like anything.

[masguy]

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200706230341.htm

Don't think Pakistan will like the idea of Iranian produced Shahab-3s being launched by Indonesia assisting an Indian bombbardment of Islamabad. Man India has allies, is a developing state and Pakistan is still a stone-age litter box.

i don't think pakistan is that bad coz they're also one of emerging market .

[Vinay]

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200706230341.htm

Don't think Pakistan will like the idea of Iranian produced Shahab-3s being launched by Indonesia assisting an Indian bombbardment of Islamabad. Man India has allies, is a developing state and Pakistan is still a stone-age litter box.

1) I dont want India to EVER attack Pak or any other weaker country. So the indian bombardment of islam abad will have to wait.


2) Indonesia and Iran will NOT help us in a war against Pak.

3) Pak has some problems, but their main problem is their PR.

4) most imp---->>>> it is time to stop comparing us to Paks. Why should it it be automatically ,india-pak.

no, my friend. It must be india-something else, not pak. We have grown out of that stage.

[indianguy]

I don't think Iran or Indonesia will ever attack Pakistan. But These two countries materially helped Pakistan in it wars. Iran gave oil and airports, Indonesia gave its navy. This shows Pakistani foreign policy is failing like anything.

I m saying u again that in wars side is not taking coz of being from the same Religion .

Arabs fought Turks and allied with British .. Religion was important

Foreign policies changes with the time and every country works for its safety and make agreements to have allies in case of any conflict get help from them .

[Musa a.s.]

I may understand for other religions, but the fact you mention should show any real muslim these governments are not Islamic, which people who do recognize this mistakenly give their support to groups like Al Qaeda because they speak truthful things but kill innocent people on the flip-side. I can understand not liking another muslim country for Valid reasons, but as opposed to allying with unbelievers before believers is treason against the very faith we claim. They should really stop faking. Indonesia should have been looking to Bangladesh before India or even Pakistan. I know India is more industrialy developed than Bangladesh, so if thats the criteria, they could have turned to Singapore more than they alredy are doing.

[indianguy]

I may understand for other religions, but the fact you mention should show any real muslim these governments are not Islamic, which people who do recognize this mistakenly give their support to groups like Al Qaeda because they speak truthful things but kill innocent people on the flip-side. I can understand not liking another muslim country for Valid reasons, but as opposed to allying with unbelievers before believers is treason against the very faith we claim. They should really stop faking. Indonesia should have been looking to Bangladesh before India or even Pakistan. I know India is more industrialy developed than Bangladesh, so if thats the criteria, they could have turned to Singapore more than they alredy are doing.

What is Islamic ? can u define it . And who are real Muslims ?

India is home to nearly 170 million Muslims . Why cant Indonesia have relations with India ?

[kasaeed]

I m saying u again that in wars side is not taking coz of being from the same Religion .

Arabs fought Turks and allied with British .. Religion was important

Foreign policies changes with the time and every country works for its safety and make agreements to have allies in case of any conflict get help from them .

Religion is getting important again, believe me.
But my statement regarding Iran and Indonesia is coz of long time relationship we have with these countries. I really doubt Indonesia will ever help India. They will make defence contract with India but helping India in war is an other thing.

BTW i 100% agree with Viney why was Pakistan dragged in this. BornB4 is not even Indian but he is fantasizing about war in our region.

[indianguy]

Religion is getting important again, believe me.
But my statement regarding Iran and Indonesia is coz of long time relationship we have with these countries. I really doubt Indonesia will ever help India. They will make defence contract with India but helping India in war is an other thing.

BTW i 100% agree with Viney why was Pakistan dragged in this. BornB4 is not even Indian but he is fantasizing about war in our region.


I dont think that Religion was ever a tool used by India against any country.

Iran's relationship with India was not so good that the time of Shah ,after Revolution relations become too strong . Am i wrong ?

[Vladimir80]

I don't think Iran or Indonesia will ever attack Pakistan. But These two countries materially helped Pakistan in it wars. Iran gave oil and airports, Indonesia gave its navy. This shows Pakistani foreign policy is failing like anything.

I think they all attack Pakistan because there is a new Asian world war setup coming. It is China and allies vs India and allies. The lines are being drawn in the sand and this is just the latest example.

[kasaeed]

LOL how about we all attack USA and Russia :-) and make 21st century the real Asian one :-)

[kasaeed]

I dont think that Religion was ever a tool used by India against any country.

Iran's relationship with India was not so good that the time of Shah ,after Revolution relations become too strong . Am i wrong ?

LOL coz India have more Shia's then Pakistan. Pakistanis are more and more becoming Salafis / Deobandis. Thanks to people like Dr. Farhat Hashmi, Dr. Israr Ahmed etc.

[masguy]

I think they all attack Pakistan because there is a new Asian world war setup coming. It is China and allies vs India and allies. The lines are being drawn in the sand and this is just the latest example.

god forbid..i hope it won't happen because if it's happen,it would be more scarrier than USA vs USSR's era.

[Vladimir80]

god forbid..i hope it won't happen because if it's happen,it would be more scarrier than USA vs USSR's era.

Most definetly... With China and India emerging as the next two great powers it just makes sense that heads will collide.

[Vinay]

I think they all attack Pakistan because there is a new Asian world war setup coming. It is China and allies vs India and allies. The lines are being drawn in the sand and this is just the latest example.


Good post.

Why does poor PAK EVEN HAVE TO BE ATTACKED.

And I totally agree, it is gonna be China vs Allies and Ind vs Aliies and a mini cold war between them and atleast India will dance to the Capitalists (and to a lesser extent to the democratic communists of Moscow's tune.

[Vinay]

god forbid..i hope it won't happen because if it's happen,it would be more scarrier than USA vs USSR's era.


if this happens, it will be complex.

usa will be out to dismantle china, so will be on india side.

Russia the second power willl be neutral i guess.

so it will be a tie.:tired1_24:

[Bumble Bee]

Good post.

Why does poor PAK EVEN HAVE TO BE ATTACKED.
Quit fronting. There is no present major issue but you folks are strong adversaries. India must support the US against China
or handle Pakistan. Pakistan must be removed one way or another.

[indianguy]

if this happens, it will be complex.

usa will be out to dismantle china, so will be on india side.

Russia the second power willl be neutral i guess.

so it will be a tie.:tired1_24:

I do agree with u .. that America will use India against China . but right now America is tie down in Iraq and Afghanistan , may be after 10 to 15 years , may be even more coz right now Iran,Syria and North korea are in Americans mind .

Here i dont agree with u that Russia will be Neutral .. If Russia would be Neutral .. then America will be close to russian border and all the same Americans are trying to Circle Russia from every side and that Missile shield is in real aimed at Russia. And Russia is not so stupid to be neutral coz if China is down , then the next number would be of Russia .

And i dont think that India would like to have unstable region around it and even Indians are not so stupid to fight Americans war .

[aviator]

Good post.

Why does poor PAK EVEN HAVE TO BE ATTACKED.

First you start flaming with your posts and then act innocent . Some words are not always good to use.

[Vinay]

First you start flaming with your posts and then act innocent . Some words are not always good to use.


boohoo hoo

show me ONE post where i have flamed a sensible pakistani

[Vinay]

Quit fronting. There is no present major issue but you folks are strong adversaries. India must support the US against China
or handle Pakistan. Pakistan must be removed one way or another.

your mama told you that????

Pak should be removed????

so we should remove them???

where are you from??? why the hell dont you try it????

[Musa a.s.]

What is Islamic ? can u define it . And who are real Muslims ?

India is home to nearly 170 million Muslims . Why cant Indonesia have relations with India ? Those who bear witness to La ilaha ilallah!
And I wasn't implying that they shouldn't have a "relationship" with the Muslim populace in India, but a defense/arms cooperative pact with the nation as a whole?-blasphemy! Especially when anyone knows who/what India's military would be directed towards, other Muslims! But maybe just maybe I am in a delusional narrow minded world even though its inline with the commands of Allah(swt), after all Pakistan had a violent and bloody war with other Muslims-Bangladesh not long enough after they both gained their independence from Hindustan. I smell a bit of foul contraditory hypocrisy in that one, and its eveident as the sunshine what it was about. Ethnic contempt just as exists in Pakistan this very day amongst themselves! Boy o boy I tell you! Many a Muslim belie their very faith and the beloved prophet far worse than me drinking and its not Funny at all!

[jawwal]

The real problem in Pakistan is the emergence of the strict salafi wahabist way of thinking, otherwise pakistan is a great country with potentials in the future in the right leadership hands.
Pakistan position in the region is greatly tarnished by the alliance to Bush.

[Vladimir80]

The real problem in Pakistan is the emergence of the strict salafi wahabist way of thinking, otherwise pakistan is a great country with potentials in the future in the right leadership hands.
Pakistan position in the region is greatly tarnished by the alliance to Bush.

Pakistan is a great country when they have a goverment that represent the people. Being led by a military dictator down the wrong path of American cronyism is not going to make Pakistan a great nation. The people grow tired of American threats and they grow tired of dictator who thinks he can usurp power and hold it forever. It is time for elections... it is time for the people to be heard.

[jawwal]

Pakistan is a great country when they have a goverment that represent the people. Being led by a military dictator down the wrong path of American cronyism is not going to make Pakistan a great nation. The people grow tired of American threats and they grow tired of dictator who thinks he can usurp power and hold it forever. It is time for elections... it is time for the people to be heard.

Yes, it is true, the same problems apply to most of the governments in the middle east if not all, none of them are elected, none of them favor their own people, but the only thing that separate them is their national stance and whether they surrender to the scheme of the so called New World order.

[Vladimir80]

Yes, it is true, the same problems apply to most of the governments in the middle east if not all, none of them are elected, none of them favor their own people, but the only thing that separate them is their national stance and whether they surrender to the scheme of the so called New World order.

Well Mushy has decided to make his stance the same as the Arabs. Only Syria and Iran have the nerve to stand up to Israel and the US. The Sheiks lining the Persian Gulf suppress the Shia by cutting them from government and jobs. People say Mushy is secular but he doesn't do much to solve the Shia mosque bombings, the incursions into Iran, or the drug smuggling that is rampant across all the borders. He suppresses the air waves, he threatens to claim martial law so he can hold on to power, he dismisses the supreme justice and he wants to be president and General at the same time. Next you know he will want to make his position hereditary and we call him Sheikh Mushy.

[kaiser_tr]

Most definetly... With China and India emerging as the next two great powers it just makes sense that heads will collide.

and unlike USSR vs USA, China and India are sharing borders. if the tension will rise between two country there can be a border conflict which may lead to a bigger war.

hope this wont happen ever.

[Maverick]

your mama told you that????

Pak should be removed????

so we should remove them???

where are you from??? why the hell dont you try it????

LOL.......you tell him vinay :)

But mate you are only wasting your own energy, some people will never learn. They are probably from Afghanistan or some other country that just wants Pakistan and India to fight. They will fail :)

[Maverick]

Pakistan is a great country when they have a goverment that represent the people.

Thank you, and remember your words.

By the way put this on record.....The current Pakistani govt. represents the people, including me!



Being led by a military dictator down the wrong path of American cronyism is not going to make Pakistan a great nation.

And what makes you such an expert? the recent disintegration of the USSR? Are you using your own country's experience in this fairly off the path assumption and advise? But don't you see what a failed state your country has always been right from the birth of USSR? We can only go in the opposite direction to avoid the same mistakes and pitfalls the Russians made!



The people grow tired of American threats and they grow tired of dictator who thinks he can usurp power and hold it forever. It is time for elections... it is time for the people to be heard.

Yes they sure do, the only problem is Musharraf is not a dictator and that he is loved by Pakistan loving citizens!

And yes it is time for elections and we will see Musharraf staying president for another 5 years!

[Sinosphere]

and unlike USSR vs USA, China and India are sharing borders. if the tension will rise between two country there can be a border conflict which may lead to a bigger war.

hope this wont happen ever.

I hope there is no war between China and India, both are great nations in Asia and emerging economies. They should focus their resources on trade.

It's true that China and India have some border issues to resolve. Hopefully this is done through negotiations.

Any conflict between the two will not benefit China or India. This is proven through history, war bring no gains but misery to the people involved.

[Coller]

I dont think that Religion was ever a tool used by India against any country.

Iran's relationship with India was not so good that the time of Shah ,after Revolution relations become too strong . Am i wrong ?
India and Indonisia want to contrl the Indian Ocean .In my opinion,Iran and Pakistan shouldn't keep silent.Think about it seriously and you will take some actions.:biggrin:biggrin1:

[indianguy]

India and Indonisia want to contrl the Indian Ocean .In my opinion,Iran and Pakistan shouldn't keep silent.Think about it seriously and you will take some actions.:biggrin:biggrin1:

Here u r forgetting about China .

[Coller]

Here u r forgetting about China .
What do you want to say?China is bussy with the Pacific and their some territorial sea is occupated by other countrys. Why don't you say there is US force in indian ocean?:)

[indianguy]

What do you want to say?China is bussy with the Pacific and their some territorial sea is occupated by other countrys. Why don't you say there is US force in indian ocean?:)

Yes US and British forces both are in Indian Ocean, Diego Garcia and this is the reason that China is pouring money in Gwadar and cut the influence of India .

[Bumble Bee]

What does China and Indonesia feel about China's devastating earthquake?

[karbalabeisfahan]

Indonesia most muslims in world have still have no subforum here? Moderator brothers, make Indonesia subforum.

[QQ阿]

Ok both of you stop this nonsense.

If ISR_Ivan and IranianGuards can get along and cooperate. Then you two can also kiss and make up.

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