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NEWUSER
07-24-2007, 11:53 PM
July 25 (Bloomberg) -- President Vladimir Putin criticized as ``insulting'' Britain's demand that Russia change its laws to extradite former KGB agent Andrei Lugovoi, who is wanted in the U.K. for the murder of fellow ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko.

``What they propose is an obvious vestige of colonial thinking,'' state television cited Putin as telling pro-Kremlin youths at his residence outside Moscow late yesterday. ``They give us insulting advice on changing our constitution. It's their mindset that has to change, not our constitution.''

Litvinenko, a Kremlin critic who died in November after being poisoned with the radioactive isotope polonium-210, blamed Putin for the murder in a deathbed statement, an accusation the Kremlin called ``absurd.'' Britain and Russia last week each expelled four diplomats after the government in Moscow refused to extradite Lugovoi.

U.K. Foreign Secretary David Miliband suggested last week Russia change its constitution to hand over Lugovoi, Agence France-Presse reported.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown on July 23 again called for the extradition of Lugovoi, who has denied any role in the murder and blamed it on British secret services.

``We cannot stand by when a British citizen is assassinated on our streets, when we identify the culprit and we do not get the cooperation from Russian authorities,'' Brown told a news conference in London. He said Russia has a ``responsibility'' to hand over Lugovoi.

Russian Prosecutors

Russian law doesn't allow for extradition. It does allow for citizens to be tried at home for crimes committed abroad. Russian prosecutors said July 23 that the U.K. hasn't provided evidence to indicate Lugovoi's guilt.

``The British are already accusing him of murder, but we don't have any such information,'' said Andrei Mayorov, a senior investigator from the Prosecutor General's Office.

U.K. investigators say they believe Lugovoi poisoned Litvinenko on Nov. 1 by putting the radioactive isotope in his tea during a meeting in London's Millennium Hotel, Mayorov said. Litvinenko may in fact have been poisoned ``long before'' the Nov. 1 meeting with Lugovoi and another Russian business associate, Dmitry Kovtun, he added.

Putin said yesterday that the death of Litvinenko, a naturalized British citizen, was a ``tragedy,'' while attacking the U.K. for failing to hand over any suspects wanted in Russia.

`Serious Crimes'

``In London they have 30 people wanted by our law enforcement services for very serious crimes,'' state broadcaster Vesti cited Putin as telling the youths at his residence in Zavidivo, about 120 kilometers (75 miles) northwest of Moscow. ``They have not even thought of extraditing them.''
The U.K. is making ``impossibly high demands,'' Vesti cited Putin as saying on its Web site. ``They would do better changing their brains than our constitution.''

Putin said last week the ``mini-crisis'' in Russia-U.K relations after the tit-for-tat expulsions would be overcome.

Ties between the countries have deteriorated since Britain refused to extradite Litvinenko's patron, Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky, who was granted political asylum in 2003. Berezovsky earlier this year called for the overthrow of Putin.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a3XQ91.JXWXU&refer=home

Kiaar
07-28-2007, 10:48 PM
If they don't want to be criticized, they shouldn't assassinate critics in other countries...

Vladimir80
07-28-2007, 11:14 PM
If they don't want to be criticized, they shouldn't assassinate critics in other countries...

... prove it!

Kiaar
07-28-2007, 11:16 PM
... prove it!

Oh, come on Vlad. You're a smart guy. Who else would want to do it, or have any reason to? And with a radioactive material too.

Russia can do what Russia wants within its own borders, that really doesn't matter to me. But come on, it's obvious who was behind this. No one else had the motivation or reason to do it, and in such a way.

Vinay
07-29-2007, 03:57 AM
Oh, come on Vlad. You're a smart guy. Who else would want to do it, or have any reason to? And with a radioactive material too.

Russia can do what Russia wants within its own borders, that really doesn't matter to me. But come on, it's obvious who was behind this. No one else had the motivation or reason to do it, and in such a way.

So he guilty by suspicion of a forum member from IDF???


Where's your free trial, oh brave and free one.

Kiaar
07-29-2007, 10:29 AM
So he guilty by suspicion of a forum member from IDF???


Where's your free trial, oh brave and free one.

So the fact that the UK government wants to extradite a Russian for the murder is something they want to do for fun right? :huh2:

Vladimir80
07-29-2007, 10:46 AM
So the fact that the UK government wants to extradite a Russian for the murder is something they want to do for fun right? :huh2:

It is the highest form of hypocrisy when Britain harbors dozens of Russian fugitives and won't give them up when they want us to amend our constitution just so we can give them an innocent man. They think Russia is a British colony and that we will bend to their will... boy do they have another thing coming.

Kiaar
07-29-2007, 10:54 AM
It is the highest form of hypocrisy when Britain harbors dozens of Russian fugitives and won't give them up when they want us to amend our constitution just so we can give them an innocent man. They think Russia is a British colony and that we will bend to their will... boy do they have another thing coming.

So that makes it ok for Russia to kill anyone it wants in England as long as they are considered "wanted" in Russia?

Vladimir80
07-29-2007, 10:59 AM
So that makes it ok for Russia to kill anyone it wants in England as long as they are considered "wanted" in Russia?

Who says "Russia" killed anyone...

Kiaar
07-29-2007, 12:00 PM
Who says "Russia" killed anyone...

Sorry, the current Russian government.

Vladimir80
07-29-2007, 12:10 PM
Sorry, the current Russian government.

Who says the Russian government killed anyone? There is no proof of anything, just conjecture. This is not how justice is served.

Vinay
07-29-2007, 02:09 PM
So the fact that the UK government wants to extradite a Russian for the murder is something they want to do for fun right? :huh2:

you got me there!!!!!!

so the russian is guilty!!!!!

Kiaar
07-29-2007, 02:50 PM
you got me there!!!!!!

so the russian is guilty!!!!!

He's not proven guilty, but they want to put him on trial.

Vladimir80
07-29-2007, 02:56 PM
He's not proven guilty, but they want to put him on trial.

If they wanted to put him on trial they should never have let him walk on the plane.

Kiaar
07-29-2007, 03:36 PM
If they wanted to put him on trial they should never have let him walk on the plane.

He wasn't a suspect when he left the country.

Vladimir80
07-29-2007, 03:52 PM
He wasn't a suspect when he left the country.

He never was a suspect... just a political pawn.

Kiaar
07-29-2007, 05:51 PM
He never was a suspect... just a political pawn.

Because the UK has so much to gain by pissing off Russia...?

Vladimir80
07-29-2007, 06:10 PM
Because the UK has so much to gain by pissing off Russia...?

The UK is getting edged out of oil deals which caused the bad feelings but they have escalated it to sheer insanity by expelling our diplomats. Litvinenko is just a front for deeper issues regarding favoritism for France and Gazprom over BP.

Kiaar
07-29-2007, 06:12 PM
The UK is getting edged out of oil deals which caused the bad feelings but they have escalated it to sheer insanity by expelling our diplomats. Litvinenko is just a front for deeper issues regarding favoritism for France and Gazprom over BP.

Seems a bit extreme to expel diplomats over business deals.

Vladimir80
07-29-2007, 06:25 PM
Seems a bit extreme to expel diplomats over business deals.

Seems less extreme than telling Russia to change it's constitution so they can extridite an innocent man with no proof.

Kiaar
07-29-2007, 06:30 PM
Seems less extreme than telling Russia to change it's constitution so they can extridite an innocent man with no proof.

I'd imagine that they would provide proof if they wanted him extradited.

Vladimir80
07-29-2007, 06:31 PM
I'd imagine that they would provide proof if they wanted him extradited.

You would think... but since they know they can't they just make up stories.

alopes
08-12-2007, 01:20 PM
Uk had given support and refuge to operatives of Chechnya insurgency that had killed thousand of Russians.
Uk had given support and refuge to Oligarchy thefts of Russian wealth, that also financed terrorism inside Russia.
Uk have had spies inside Russia and have financed some suspicious NGOs for "democracy" in Russia.
So that Russia has a right to revenge on traitors and robbers of its wealths, if that was the case.
Update.
Of course UK have the right to expel Russia diplomats if it can prove Russia participation on this killing.
And Russia have the right to expel all britains from Russia and prohibit any Britain from entering Russia while Britain continue with the campaign of receiving and supporting Russian Traitors, Robbers and Killers of their own country.

And, in fact UK shows its intentions of a control submission relations with Russia in which Russia is the inferior submitted country, when it says such comments of Russian having to change its constitution to please UK needs.

Talking about injustice, the UK police killed an innocent Brasilian in London because they thinked that the Brasilian was a terrorist.
And what happened for the cops that slayered the Brasilian of name "Jean Charles"?
Nothing Happened.
In Fact "
When on 12 September 2006 the Metropolitan Police Authority promoted Commander Cressida Dick to the role of Deputy Assistant Commissioner, the family said they were "absolutely disgusted".

link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
So UK government had not moral to talk of impunity on killing of innocents, even less of spy traitors of their own country, in UK territory.

jawwal
08-12-2007, 06:16 PM
Oh, come on Vlad. You're a smart guy. Who else would want to do it, or have any reason to? And with a radioactive material too.

Russia can do what Russia wants within its own borders, that really doesn't matter to me. But come on, it's obvious who was behind this. No one else had the motivation or reason to do it, and in such a way.

Is that the proof? Who else would do it?

Vladimir80
08-12-2007, 06:19 PM
Uk had given support and refuge to operatives of Chechnya insurgency that had killed thousand of Russians.
Uk had given support and refuge to Oligarchy thefts of Russian wealth, that also financed terrorism inside Russia.
Uk have had spies inside Russia and have financed some suspicious ONGs for "democracy" in Russia.
So that Russia has a right to revenge on traitors and robbers of its wealths, if that was the case.

All true... the US invade Iraq on much less. :laugh4:

Kryuchkov
08-13-2007, 07:45 AM
If they don't want to be criticized, they shouldn't assassinate critics in other countries...

Has it even been proven that this Lugovoi is definitely responsible for the murder? And even then he is a multi millionaire (100 Million pounds) and owns his own private security company...and could have been acting separately from the FSB. In any case many countries, e.g. Iceland, do not extradite citizens who have commited crimes elsewhere...

Vladimir80
08-13-2007, 08:09 AM
Has it even been proven that this Lugovoi is definitely responsible for the murder? And even then he is a multi millionaire (100 Million pounds) and owns his own private security company...and could have been acting separately from the FSB. In any case many countries, e.g. Iceland, do not extradite citizens who have commited crimes elsewhere...

We do have an active mafia... they are not the same as the government... most of the time. :rolleyes: