Any Shi'a members on this forum?

[hurdy]

Got a question to the Shi'ite members in here, on the Ashura festival do you cut your head? And do you know why this is done and when it was started?
I know its because of the beheading of Hussein but Sunni's dont do this so why are Shia doing it?

[escobar]

they do that because it is innovations within Islam...cutting urself, suicide, or hurting urself is forbideen in islam as Allah says in the Quran do not destroy urself by ur own hands....

These rituals have no basis in Islam..Shiaism is based in what they claim as love of the Prophets family.The roots of shiaism even predate islam...So they build tombs and shrines for his family..which is forbiden..and they call on them in distress just as a catholic would call on different saints in time of need...which is forbideen:rolleyes: ...So shia sect do this so they can come closer to Hussain by feeling his pain...this is just like the few christians who beat themselves and nail themselves to a cross during easter to feel Jesus pain...

They hold these imams in very high esteem and believe they know the unseen...they know everything of the universe...they are completely perfect...some even believe they know when the day of judgement is...:rolleyes:

In some ways they given these imams attributes in which only Allah(swt) possess...such as all knowing...etc etc and because they have done this u will find them calling on imams and making dua to imams BECAUSE they have in some ways made these imams like Allah(swt)....

Which the Prophet and his family would have never agreed with this...As we know Ali(ra) killed those that prayed to him:rolleyes:

And another issues is the shia betrayed Hussian(as) abandoned him and they beat themselves and suffer as a way for him ammend for their betrayal and Hussian(as) to forgive them:rolleyes:

However some dont go to these extreme measures and beat themselves...so i believe shave some of their hair, CRY, and beat their chest:rolleyes:

Sunni Because they may consider this Bidah....Also the martyrdom of Hussian(ra) is central to shiaism...There was a leadership struggle and Hussian(ra) revolted...There were many hypocrits at that time amoung the so called sunni and shia...Many villians from both sides can be held responsible for Hussian(ra) death...the so called shia abandoned him and there were hypocrits amoung his followers as well as the other side..shia say Muawiyah(may Allah be pleased with him) was directly responsible for murder of Hussian(may Allah be pleased with him) death...And the sources vary...Sunni dont beleive Muawiyah(ra) was directly responsible for his death...other say believe shia were responsible...other agree both sides were responisible and that Muawiyah(ra) was not responsible...and it goes on and on....and each side acuse the other side account of what happened as not being accurate...

[Arman]

Got a question to the Shi'ite members in here, on the Ashura festival do you cut your head? And do you know why this is done and when it was started?
I know its because of the beheading of Hussein but Sunni's dont do this so why are Shia doing it?
It is called "qame zani", and it is done by some to mourn the death of Imam Hussain (as). Some scholars say it is permissible, others say it is not. I follow Ayatollah Khamenei, and therefore it is forbidden for me to participate in qame zani. In Iran you will not see anyone bleed on such days.

PS: Ignore raqin... he is only good for information about communism. :rolleyes:

[escobar]

It is called "qame zani", and it is done by some to mourn the death of Imam Hussain (as). Some scholars say it is permissible, others say it is not. I follow Ayatollah Khamenei, and therefore it is forbidden for me to participate in qame zani. In Iran you will not see anyone bleed on such days.

PS: Ignore raqin... he is only good for information about communism. :rolleyes:

isnt that what i said u mourn Hussian(ra) death...And by beating urself u are coming close to Hussian by experiencing his pain...just like the christians do that beat themselves and nail themselves to crosses...

And in this u are also seeking Hussian forgiveness for betraying him...:rolleyes:

Doesnt matter what shia "scholars" say...Allah has forbid it:rolleyes:

ps: Im no communist at all

[Hezbollah]

Got a question to the Shi'ite members in here, on the Ashura festival do you cut your head? And do you know why this is done and when it was started?
I know its because of the beheading of Hussein but Sunni's dont do this so why are Shia doing it?
The Story of Imam Hussein

Every year on the 10th of Muharam the Shia Muslims all over the world commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Hussein. The commemoration start from the first day and the peak reached on the 10th day. Today is the first day of Muharam.




Food coked and given free. Pic: children offer fruits and food to the Coalition Forces

Imam Hussein is the grand son of Prophet Mohammad from his daughter Fatima and his cousin and son in law Ali Bin Abi Talib. Prophet Mohammad used to call him and his brother Hassan as his beloved sons. He is the one who chose their names after they born. They grow in the environment of Bano Hashem, the tribe of Mohammad and Ali. Unlike Bano Omaiyah, Bano Hashem rejects corruption, oppression and racial discrimination. Bano Omaiyah considers themselves above the others and the Arabs above the non Arabs. This discrimination reached its peak during the reign of Maawiyah Bin Abo Sofiyan and his son Yazid in Damascus in Syria. One of the major causes for Imam Hussein to reject the leadership of Maawiyah and Yazid is because of their corruption, oppression, slavery and injustice.

It is very difficult to elaborate about the history in details but will try to write very briefly about the main points.

After the death of Prophet Mohammad and before his burial a new era of struggle for power started. Al Insars who were the inhabitants of Madinah gathered in a place called Saqefat Bani Saiedah which is their community meeting place and selected among them Saad Bin Uobadah to be the leader. The Mohajreen who migrated with Prophet Mohammad the tribe of Koriesh heard this. They left the body of the Prophet and want to the same place. The two sides clashed and argued about who should be the leader. The scene was chaotic with threats from both sides. Ali and the family of Prophet haven't attended and have been ignored. Ali was adopted by Mohammad when he was a boy to help his uncle Abi Talib during economical crises. He was the son in law of the Prophet, his cousin, and brother by choice and the first one to embrace Islam after the prophet and his deputy at least according to many Muslims at that time. Ali was poor and he was disliked by the rich aristocrats of Qurishis.


The trees here is the site of Alskefa

The meeting resulted in taking allegiance to Abo Baker who was one of the Immigrants to Madenah. Some Muslims rejected and some asked to wait until Ali and the prophet kinsmen finished from his burial but the matter moved forward by some. That was a breakthrough point in the history of division in Islam.
Soon after this many Muslims refused to pay charity to Abo Baker and that was suppressed by force led by Khaled Bin Alwaled who killed the leader of the region Malek Bin Nowerah and married his beautiful wife on the same day!

Ali (the father of Hussein) hasn't submitted his allegiance until the death of Fatima 6 months later. At this time the power established well in the hands of Abo Baker and Omar and have he not doing so he may have been killed. Abo baker and Omar used Ali as a consultant for them. During the reign of Othman who is from Bano Omayiah there were a lot of unrest in Egypt and Iraq and other parts due to the oppressive and unjust behaviours of the local leaders. Othman appointed leaders among his family and some of them are arrogant to the people. The unrest resulted in surrounding Othman house and Ali tried to stop things but was unable so the revolted people killed Othman. This was a major point in the history of Islam. Here the division started to take a different shape.

Now Ali has been selected by the people to lead and he refused initially but the revolted people and others convinced him that they need his leadership now! He accepted but Muawyaih in Damascus who was the cousin of Othman refused that and entered into many wars with Ali. After the death of Ali (killed during prayer in Kuffa mosque), Maawiyah signed agreement with Ali's eldest Son Hassan to stop blood shade and the power will go to Al Hassan after him but Maawiyah killed Al Hassan by putting poison in his honey. He then forced every one to give allegiance to his son Yazid after him. After his death Yazid sent for Madenah to ask the people to recognize him as the leader. He instructed his army if any one refused to give allegiance to be killed and named Al Hussein as one of the most important people to start with.

Yazid was arrogant, oppressive, and unjust man. His messenger to Al Hussein in the governor of Al Madenah HQ asked Al Hussein after summoning him to submit his will to Yazid. Imam Hussein knew if he does so it means the end of the moral aspects in the religion and the acceptance of the slavery dictatorship of Yazid. He refused and asked the messenger to wait for a while. Imam Hussein then decided to leave with his family (wife, children, brothers and some others) to Iraq because he knew Yazid already planned to assassinate him. He took his family because if he leaves them Yazid will take them as captives. The followers of his father and grand father in Iraq have written to him before to go there and provide him with protection. He then made his mind and went from Madenah to Makkah then across the desert towards Kuffa.


AlHussein leaving the city of his grand father to Iraq


To Kuffa



Yazid arranged a huge army of 33,000 men very well equipped and appointed Oubiad Alla Bi Ziad as the governor of Kuffa. Bin Ziad was a known person for his arrogance, un-mercifulness, oppression, and every thing inhuman. He was governor on Basrah. Since his arrival to Kuffa worked in two ways, threat and killing and buying the people with money. He captured the messenger of Imam Hussein and his cousin Muslim Bin Akeel; beating him and throws him from the roof of the palace then crucified him with Hani Bin Urowa his hostess.


Yazid sent his strongest army while Bin Ziad sent an army to surround Imam Hussein and his family and prevent them from changing their direction until Yazid army arrives. Imam Hussein have just over 100 with him most of them among his family.They forced Imam Hussein and his family (the family of Prophet Mohammad) to retreat to Kerbala. Kerbala is two phrases word; ker means anguish and bala means vexation.

Imam Hussein debated with them that they are themselves send for him to come and tried to convince them that they are in actual fact surrounding the women and children of their Prophet but they refused to let him to go. They said that he has to submit completely his will to Bin Ziad and then Yazid or he will face his fate. He showed them more than 500 letters that they sent but they denied it!
After a long journey through the desert his children were thirsty as well as the women and the men. They prevent him from the Euphrates water. He got a 6 months old baby who was crying aggressively for water and he took him to the army asking for water just for this baby, instead they throw the baby with a dart which strike him on his neck and killed him instantly. Imam Hussein then took the blood of his baby in his hand and throw it to heaven asking God to witness what these people done to a baby belong to the family of their prophet.

On the 10th of Muharam around midday Yazid army attacked Imam Hussein camp. Imam Hussein first advised them saying that we are until now one nation but if the sword happened between us then we became two nations; you are one and we are different. From that time the practical division between Shias and Sunni manifest itself very clearly and widely. Shia means the supporters or followers of, and here it means the supporters of Ali and Ahil Al Biat which means the family of the Prophet Mohammad.

The night before the war Imam Hussein gathered his family and followers and told them that the army want him himself and so he told them you are free to go while it is dark but all of them refused. One of those who fought with him was a Christian young man called John.


Last moments before battle

In few hours they killed every one and when Imam Hussein remained alone he asked loudly if there is any one protects the family of the messenger of God! They attacked him and then racked him with the feet of their horses when he tumbled. They then cut his head and the heads of his brothers and followers and raise them on spears.
After this they attacked the women and put the tents in fire. The children escaped in all directions and the women tried to protect them. They beaten the children and women by the whips and ripped off their belonging. Then they took them as captives!!! Children and women!! Among them was Zainab the sister of Imam Hussein who witnessed the massacre of her sons, brothers, nephews and other relatives in the bloodiest way of barbaric killing.


Back without Hussein! Zainab asked; Oh horse, where is Hussein my beloved brother?


They cut the heads and left the bodies unburried!


Yazid army set fire in the camp and terrified women and children.




This is the present site where Imam Hussein killed and slaughtered

Bin Ziad looked to the head of Imam Hussein and start to strike his mouth with a cane, feeling the joy and happiness filling his sadistic inhuman personality. He then turned to humiliate the women of the family of Prophet Mohammad. Zainab then delivered a strong speech describing the magnitude of their crime. Bin Ziad ordered his guards to kill Ali the son of Hussein who was a young boy and haven't joined the battle because he was ill. Zainab throw her self over the boy and said if you want to kill him you have to kill me first before him. Bin Ziad withdraws his devilish wish after Zainab insistence.


The Tomb of the body of Al Hussein. The head buried in Cario!


The tomb of the martyrs who died with Hussein

The army then took the women and children on a camel caravan to Damascus. They passed many cities and villages. They told the people that those women and children are among foreigners who were out law and refused to submit to the Caliph Yazid. Fear and Terror producing strategy exactly like Saddam. They haven't told the truth that they are the prophet's family to prevent revolt.


Captives with chains to Bin Ziad.

Before they arrive to Damascus there was a Priest in his remote chapel he spotted the caravan from a distance and saw a light shining from the head of Hussein up to the sky. The Priest stopped them and asked them who is that head for? They refused to tell him. After he gave them money they told him that the head belongs to Al Hussein the son of Fatima the daughter of Prophet Mohammad. He got some money with him and asked them to take it and let the head with him for a while. They took the money and gave him the head. The Priest washed it and heard recitation of the holly Quran coming from the head!

In Damascus Yazid put them chained in a ruin before depart them to Madenah. Many of the children died from starvation, diseases and beating during this long journey. The little daughter of Imam Hussein while in the abandond ruin in Damascus start to cry and insisted to see her father. Zainab tried to please her but she never stopped crying. Then they brought the head and told her this is your father. She hugged the head and took a deep sigh and passed.


In the palace of the tyrant!

Imam Hussein remembered as a symbol of freedom and dignity against tyrant and slavery. Hussein never bowed to tyrant and oppressive regime of Yazid. This is why the similar tyrant like Saddam prevents the commemoration because of its symbolic state which rejects not only Yazid but every tyrant in history like Saddam. Ghandi the strongman of India said (I learnt from Hussein how I be tyrannized and achieve victory!). A woman who was mourning in Muharam has been asked about it. She said to mourn for a beloved one is a personal thing which will fade with time but to mourn for Imam Hussein is to mourn for the mankind which will never fade as far as there is tyranny and oppression and slavery.
Imam Hussein said; dignified death is better than humiliating life.

Many intellectuals wrote about Imam Hussein. Gerhard Konsilman a German journalist said that Yazid used to despise the people, salving and oppressing them and irresponsible sinful person. Imam Hussein by his realistic personality and death defeated the tyrant. His revolt was the ignition for the end of Umayyad density. Konsilman added that the dead Hussein was more dangerous on Yazid than the live Hussein. The martyrdom of Hussein in Kerbala remained the symbol for freedom, dignity and rejection of the tyrants.

There are some similarities between Jesus Christ and Hussein in that both of them rejected tyrant and wrongful and gave themselves in the way of freedom, salvation, dignity and righteous aspect of life. Their path is one and their salvation is by following their path of peace and justice. Before them Moses and Aaron defied the tyranny of Pharaoh and Aaron was deemed weak by his own people when Moses left to receive the Ten Commandments.

Al Hussein will remain as a revolution against all tyrants and oppressors. He will continue as a symbol for dignity and freedom for all the mankind and not only the Shias Muslims.

[escobar]

The Story of Imam Hussein


Food coked and given free. Pic: children offer fruits and food to the Coalition Forces

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Offer fruit to USA forces

[Hezbollah]

Condolences to all the shia muslims for Arbaiin of Husseini

[Hezbollah]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Offer fruit to USA forces



http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/Imam%20Hussein/Imam%20Hussein.html

[escobar]

story of IMAM Hussian(ra)

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/who_killed_hussain.htm
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/muharram/tragedy_of_karbala.htm

[Hezbollah]

story of IMAM Hussian(ra)

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/who_killed_hussain.htm
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/muharram/tragedy_of_karbala.htm

raqin thats the story written by wahabbi writers. read more about quraysh and hashemi family

[escobar]

raqin thats the story written by wahabbi writers. read more about quraysh and hashemi family

Oh come on now...u starting to act like jews now...u say anything they dont like they just disregard u as being anti semetic...and now ur doing the same thing...:rolleyes: OH a "wahabi" wrote that it doesnt count...only the sources i site count:rolleyes:

[Hezbollah]

Oh come on now...u starting to act like jews now...u say anything they dont like they just disregard u as being anti semetic...and now ur doing the same thing...:rolleyes: OH a "wahabi" wrote that it doesnt count...only the sources i site count:rolleyes:



www.al-shia.com bokhari was the most influential sunni writer and sunnis believe what ever he said is a truth on that website it tells u what bokhari said about hussein and shias it even tells the name of his book what volume what page. by the way that website www.allahuakbar.com belongs to Ansar ul Sunnah and they are wahabbi look at their sign on the left top of the page

[escobar]

whats wrong with their symbol...so anyone that does not agree with u is automactically a "wahabi":rolleyes:

Yeah i have read his stuff...have read many sources relating to the matter...sunni and shia...

As i said back then there were no sunni and shia...just basically political parties...

And both sides are to blame...is that not true??There were many hypocrits among both sides was it not??Many villains at Karbala...

If anything Hussian(ra) martyrdom is symbolic of the tragedy of what happens to muslims when they fight among themselves...

I dont consider myself shia, sunni, salafi, etc etc i just consider myself plain muslim...because Allah(swt) warned against splintering into sects...


All Companions of the Prophet
Muhammad were just.

just the manifestation of what Allahs Messenger said would happen when muslims break up into sects

[Hezbollah]

On 14th May, 1801 Wahhabis attacked Kerbala, spoiled the screens and portico and looted the shrine.
That website is 4 Ansar ul Sunnah & belongs to wahhabi sect.

As i told u before u can read what bukhari(Most famous sunni scholar) said about dead of hussein and shias. even most sunni hanifi clerics do not consider wahhabis as muslems

[Arman]

Wahhabists and hypocrists are both the worst diseases within our umma today. There are not many wahhabis, but they are very public unfortunately.

[Arman]

Egyption Salafism must not be confused with Saudi Wahhabism. They are two totally seperate sects and hate one another very much.

[escobar]

LOL

see this is foolish...:rolleyes:

so what qualifies one as a wahabi then??They dont agree with shia:rolleyes: They put alot of importance on Tawheed??

Tawheed is the really the only thing that seperates Islam from other religions...All religions claim to be the truth and most even hindus say they believe in one god...however tawheed is not just lip service...Tawheed is the most important and foundation to Islam...

yeah everyone is a wahabi..:rolleyes:

this is a manifestation of what Allah messengers promised would happen when muslims break into sects....

[Hezbollah]

[QUOTE=raqin]LOL

see this is foolish...:rolleyes:

so what qualifies one as a wahabi then??They dont agree with shia


Osama is a wahhabi look what he did. Killing civilians and innocent people is against Islam. but wahhabi believe that killing non moslems is jihad.

raqin, can u name me a shia terrorist that killed innocent civillians ? im 100 % sure there is none. but im sure 100 % of wahhabis are terrorist. great examples are osama & Zarqawi

[escobar]

:rolleyes: Hezbollah have been accused of killing civillians

thats the most BS i heard no shia have every killed a civillian:rolleyes:

anyway most salafi dont agree with killing civillians....

And u will see that most of those on the frontline defending muslims in Kashmire, Chechnya, Bosnia, Somalia, Chechnya, Phillipines, and on and on u would probably clasify as "wahabi":rolleyes:

i think u just call anyone that thinks of shia as "deviant", "opostate" or whatever...... u call them "wahabi"....:rolleyes:

[Arman]

:rolleyes: Hezbollah have been accused of killing civillians

thats the most BS i heard no shia have every killed a civillian:rolleyes:

anyway most salafi dont agree with killing civillians....

And u will see that most of those on the frontline defending muslims in Kashmire, Chechnya, Bosnia, Somalia, Chechnya, Phillipines, and on and on u would probably clasify as "wahabi":rolleyes:

i think u just call anyone that thinks of shia as "deviant", "opostate" or whatever...... u call them "wahabi"....:rolleyes:
That is incorrect. Wahhabis believe that in their fight against the koffar, if even innocent muslims are killed because of their attacks, it is accepted. For example blowing up a whole building containing muslims is accepted if it was a target in their war against koffar.

They also believe that there is no islamic country on the world, and so attacks in any country are accepted.

[escobar]

ok so the ones that call themselves shia and kill civillians they are also "wahabi"......if u say so:rolleyes:

So Bush is a Wahabi:rolleyes:

but u said the Taliban was "Wahabi" so what makes them "wahabi"??They didnt blow up civillians

[Arman]

ok so the ones that call themselves shia and kill civillians they are also "wahabi"......if u say so:rolleyes:

So Bush is a Wahabi:rolleyes:

but u said the Taliban was "Wahabi" so what makes them "wahabi"??They didnt blow up civillians
How about we start this discussion by you stopping to be an ignorant teen? I would personally kill any person claiming to be shiae who kills innocent people.

The Taliban was very well known for killing shi'a Muslims. For that reason Iran at one point had over four million Afghan refugees. This was a wordwide record, no country in the world had ever accepted and kept so many refugees as Iran did. You may look it up.

[escobar]

Ok so thats what i said whoever thinks shia is opostates or deviant or whatever is a wahabi....fair enough

[escobar]

:D raqin u claiming to be student of islam but i say u r the highest marjaa of Islam :D :D im amazed u know a lot about Islam and hezbollah :D tell me is the S of ISLAM with SAAD or SINN or TH :D

say what?:D

[hurdy]

Thanks for the replies but I already know about Hussein(pbuh) and his history and how he died, we Sunni's remember him too since the day he got beheaded but we don't got to the extreme by bleeding ourselves..

Anyway, what I wanted to know is if any Shia on this forum ever participated in this festival and hurt themselves?

[Hezbollah]

Thanks for the replies but I already know about Hussein(pbuh) and his history and how he died, we Sunni's remember him too since the day he got beheaded but we don't got to the extreme by bleeding ourselves..

Anyway, what I wanted to know is if any Shia on this forum ever participated in this festival and hurt themselves?




Ofcourse sunnis remember him too because their khalifas killed prophets ahlul bayt

[escobar]

Ofcourse sunnis remember him too because their khalifas killed prophets ahlul bayt

and the shia betrayed him

[Hezbollah]

raqin if u really live in saudi arabia u would know what i mean :D say what now :D

[escobar]

raqin if u really live in saudi arabia u would know what i mean :D say what now :D
i still dont get u?:confused:

[Hezbollah]

probably shia of yazid :D not shia of ALi

[escobar]

nah yes they did...

persons on both side can be held responsible...they betrayed him...this is why they ask him to forgive them

[Hezbollah]

raqin probably that shia cleric was osama. :D by the way was he speaking in spanish


Imam Ali AS killed those ppl who said Imam ali is god but those ppl werent shia. SHIA of Ali AS Means Partisans Of Ali AS We the shia believe he is chosen Khalifah after dead of Prophet PBUH from god

[escobar]

:confused: raqin probably that shia cleric was osama. :D by the way was he speaking in spanish


Imam Ali AS killed those ppl who said Imam ali is god but those ppl werent shia. SHIA of Ali AS Means Partisans Of Ali AS We the shia believe he is chosen Khalifah after dead of Prophet PBUH from god

Doesnt Quran say prayer is only for Allah(god)

which sect of shia are u speaking of?:confused:

[escobar]

yeah whoever "othman" is:rolleyes:

[Hezbollah]

do u live in riyadh in ur dream or a refugee from cuba be proud of where u from dont be a traitor :D

[escobar]

do u live in riyadh in ur dream or a refugee from cuba be proud of where u from dont be a traitor :D

LOL Salam bro :D :D

I LIKE YOU:D REALLY:D

[mystic_hunter]

Raqin, Raqin, Raqin....your faith is flawed unless u love ahlul bayt

[escobar]

Raqin, Raqin, Raqin....your faith is flawed unless u love ahlul bayt

All muslims love them...:) However we do not go to the extreme....

It is extremes in relgion go astray...Just like what christians did with Issa(pbuh):rolleyes:

hunter..hunter..hunter ur faith is flawed if u pray and make dua to others than Allah:)

ur faith is flawed when u give humans attributes in which only Allah(swt) posseses, such as all knowing, knowing the past and present, knowing when the last day will come, knowing when death will come etc...and because u have given these humans attributes in which only Allah posseses u turn to them, make dua to them, and other things which contridict the fundemental of Islam

[IRGC]

TO Raqin
U really do seem like a nice person but it seems like u r lost. The link below is a online book about a debate between a sunni scholar and shia scholar. They decided that if the sunni wins the debate the shia will convert to sunni and if the shia won the sunni will convert to shia. The shia did win but the sunni's ignorance kept him lost as he decided not 2 accept the truth.

http://www.al-islam.org/peshawar/