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ThePuss
07-25-2007, 11:50 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6914788.stm
MoD confirms £3.8bn carrier order
Orders for two new Royal Navy aircraft carriers have been confirmed by Defence Secretary Des Browne.
He said the £3.8bn contract would lead to the construction of the largest vessels ever sailed by the Royal Navy.

The new 65,000-tonne carriers - HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales - will enter service in 2014 and 2016.

Mr Browne said the work would support and create 10,000 jobs across the UK, including those at yards on the Clyde, Rosyth, Portsmouth and Barrow.

The contract was described as a "major project" for the shipbuilding industry by Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

The work will be shared among a number of companies, including BAE Systems' Govan and Scotstoun yards in Glasgow, which employ 3,000 people.

The ships will be built in sections and then assembled at the Rosyth Naval Base in Fife.

Making the announcement, Mr Browne said the carriers would "provide our front-line forces with the modern, world class capabilities they will need over the coming decades".

"The carriers represent a step-change in our capabilities, enabling us to deliver increased strategic effect and influence around the world at a time and place of our choosing."

However, he said the carriers could not be built without a change in the maritime sector.

"I am pleased that VT Group and BAE Systems intend to form a joint venture in naval shipbuilding and support," said Mr Browne.


"The creation of such a joint venture will enable the Royal Navy to work with the industry to deliver the infrastructure the navy will need to support the fleet in the future while retaining all three of our existing naval bases at Portsmouth, Devonport and Faslane.

"This will be good news for the three communities."

However, he warned there would be "some reductions" in the 17,800 personnel currently employed at the bases.

The Ministry of Defence said about 40% of the carriers work would be carried out by the joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group - 15% in Portsmouth and 25% in Glasgow.

Thales and Babcock will each have 16% of the contract, while the remaining 28% will be carried out by BAE Systems at Barrow and by its Integrated System Technologies (Insyte) division, based in Surrey.

Shadow Defence Secretary Liam Fox welcomed the announcement but said it came at "a high price" for the navy.

"Since 1997, the Royal Navy has faced significant cuts in force levels completely at odds with the government's own strategic defence review which called for 32 surface combatants," he said.

"We welcome the retention of three of our existing naval bases, but there will be a strong suspicion that we are not being told the full story today."

Liberal Democrat defence spokesman Willie Rennie said: "I am sure the communities of the three navy bases will welcome the decision but will perhaps wait with trepidation about the potential losses in jobs."

Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond said he was pleased that the announcement would safeguard thousands of Scottish jobs.

Councillor Gerald Vernon-Jackson, the leader of Portsmouth City Council, said it would have "ripped the soul out of the city" if the navy had pulled out.

He said: "This is an absolutely wonderful and brilliant day for the city and for the campaign we have waged to try to make sure we keep the navy base here in Portsmouth.

"The presumption last August when the review was launched was that Portsmouth would close but we have been able to turn that around completely so that Portsmouth remains the home of the navy."

not-now
08-03-2007, 06:50 PM
UK will most likely have the strongest airforce after the U.S in the coming years.

Vladimir80
08-03-2007, 07:22 PM
UK will most likely have the strongest airforce after the U.S in the coming years.

We are talking about navy here mate. The RAF is rather weak compared to the top countries.

Falco
08-03-2007, 08:03 PM
We are talking about navy here mate. The RAF is rather weak compared to the top countries.

i agree.

@ topic:
do you know how many planes(f35s i think) this thing will be able to carry?

Vladimir80
08-03-2007, 08:04 PM
The MoD report said 36 STOVL F-35Bs.

Falco
08-03-2007, 08:09 PM
The MoD report said 36 STOVL F-35Bs.
kk thx.

thats quiet alot if you keep in mind that the biggest non-us carrier(the charles de gaulle) in total can carry 40 planes.

Vladimir80
08-03-2007, 08:19 PM
kk thx.

thats quiet alot if you keep in mind that the biggest non-us carrier(the charles de gaulle) in total can carry 40 planes.

It's not that much for 65,000t ship that would do better to have F-35Cs.

Falco
08-03-2007, 08:27 PM
It's not that much for 65,000t ship that would do better to have F-35Cs.
true... its definitely long enough(280meter) for conventional starts/landings.
but with the jump jets they can have more planes on the deck the same moment.

Vladimir80
08-03-2007, 08:30 PM
true... its definitely long enough(280meter) for conventional starts/landings.
but with the jump jets they can have more planes on the deck the same moment.

What is the point when they half the range and half the payload?

Falco
08-03-2007, 08:34 PM
What is the point when they half the range and half the payload?

you have the bigger operational readiness and thus a tactical benefit...

Vladimir80
08-03-2007, 08:41 PM
you have the bigger operational readiness and thus a tactical benefit...

To think the increased readiness over decreased sortie generation rate would not make up for it. We are talking about short range CAS aircraft compared to long range strike fighters. These things are made to support Marines... not to be tactical combat aircraft.

Falco
08-03-2007, 08:48 PM
To think the increased readiness over decreased sortie generation rate would not make up for it. We are talking about short range CAS aircraft compared to long range strike fighters. These things are made to support Marines... not to be tactical combat aircraft.

during the only "real" war situation the royal navy had after ww2 (falkland islands) the harriers also were supposed to support the ground forces and then they had to match with argentenian mirage 3s... you never can tell ! and of course carriers also are used to get air superiority over conflict zones...

Vladimir80
08-03-2007, 09:50 PM
during the only "real" war situation the royal navy had after ww2 (falkland islands) the harriers also were supposed to support the ground forces and then they had to match with argentenian mirage 3s... you never can tell ! and of course carriers also are used to get air superiority over conflict zones...


F-35C would handle all those jobs better than F-35B...

Relikt
09-10-2007, 06:28 PM
Well jump platform reduce cost of maintenance of carrier (no steam catapult system) and pressure of aircraft is much lower, but yes it takes operational capabilities of jet.

P.S. RR also had part in F-35B production so Brits what to return money :)

not-now
10-05-2007, 06:18 PM
We are talking about navy here mate. The RAF is rather weak compared to the top countries.

what are the top airforces ? RAF is also considered one of the best.They got in large numbers tornados,typhoons and soon f-35s I think you are understimating them :)

Vladimir80
10-05-2007, 07:46 PM
what are the top airforces ? RAF is also considered one of the best.They got in large numbers tornados,typhoons and soon f-35s I think you are understimating them :)

When you come from a country like Russia you don't call those large numbers.