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jawwal
08-27-2007, 02:27 PM
Doubts grow over U.S.-India nuclear deal By MATTHEW ROSENBERG, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 16 minutes ago



NEW DELHI - The United States gave India nearly everything it wanted in a landmark nuclear energy deal, but that may not be enough for a vocal chorus of Indian critics.

A wave of opposition has left India's government reeling and raised serious doubts about the deal's future. Critics argue the agreement could undermine India's cherished nuclear weapons program and allow the U.S. to dictate Indian foreign policy.

Leading the charge are the communist allies of India's prime minister, and beneath their arguments many here see a deeper objection — they don't want New Delhi drawn closer to Washington under any circumstances.

For both countries, the stakes are enormous.

The deal has been repeatedly touted as the foundation of an alliance that could potentially redraw the global balance of power, completing the transformation of a once-hostile relationship between the world's two largest democracies.

U.S. policymakers see India as a counterweight to an ever-more powerful China, and the deal reverses three decades of American policy by allowing the shipment of nuclear fuel and technology to India, which never signed international nonproliferation accords and has tested atomic weapons.

The two years of painstaking negotiations to reach the deal have also provided President Bush with a foreign policy achievement amid the Iraq war and other crises.

For India, the benefits are arguably greater. Its booming but energy-starved economy would gain access to much-needed nuclear fuel and technologies that it has been long denied by its refusal to sign nonproliferation accords. Even though the deal only covers civilian nuclear power, it tacitly acknowledges India as a nuclear-weapons state, giving its weapons program a degree of international legitimacy — and adding to India's growing clout.

The deal, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in an Aug. 13 speech to Parliament, is "another step in our journey to regain our due place in global councils."

But few of the deal's opponents heard his speech that day — they were too busy shouting him down and disrupting Parliament, as they have done nearly every day since.

The opponents run the gamut from right-wing Hindu nationalists to the communists, who are key to Singh's parliamentary majority. The nuclear agreement does not need parliamentary approval, but Singh's government could collapse if his communist allies pull their support because of the deal.

Most of their criticism stems from the Hyde Act, passed last year by American lawmakers to allow nuclear trade with India.

It contains a nonbinding clause directing the U.S. president to determine whether India is cooperating with American efforts to confront Iran about its nuclear program. That has been seized on by Indian critics as proof that Washington intends to direct New Delhi's foreign policy.

The nuclear deal does not address what happens if India tests an atomic weapon — a sign, American critics say, that New Delhi got too much out of the pact.

Indian critics, meanwhile, argue that the lack of an explicit right to test is a sign the U.S. aims to shut down the country's weapons program.

But for the communists, their ultimate objection appears simply to be the United States.

"We must stand against a strategic partnership with the United States of America," said Basudeb Acharya, a top official of the Communist Party of India (Marxist).

He called the invasion of Iraq and Washington's efforts to stop Iran from producing nuclear weapons "foreign policy adventures," and said: "We want no part of this."

The standoff has the communists warning Singh not to press ahead with the next steps in the deal — negotiating agreements with the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a group of nations that export nuclear material — and the prime minister daring them to stop him.

But with talk of early elections growing louder, both sides have started to back down. They are expected to announce this week the creation of a committee to examine the deal before pushing ahead with it.

That, Indian and American officials privately say, could end up scuttling the pact, which still has to be approved by U.S. lawmakers, delaying it to the point where it is no longer viable.

"We will talk and talk and talk and nothing will be done," said a senior member of India's scientific establishment with knowledge of the nuclear deliberations.

"The Americans will not wait forever," he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivities. "And we will never get an agreement like this again."

American officials, who have publicly stayed out of the fray, privately confirmed that view, saying that with U.S. presidential elections coming up next year, they could only wait so long.

Washington acceded to most of New Delhi's demands, giving India the right to stockpile nuclear fuel and reprocess it, a key step in making weapons.

Abandoning such a deal would "be a major setback to India's international ambitions," said retired Gen. Ashok Mehta, a strategic analyst in New Delhi.

"Long-term, India, without the help of the United States and or any other big power, will take much longer to be counted globally," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070827/ap_on_re_as/india_us_nuclear

aryan
08-28-2007, 10:00 AM
Doubts grow over U.S.-India nuclear deal By MATTHEW ROSENBERG, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 16 minutes ago



NEW DELHI - The United States gave India nearly everything it wanted in a landmark nuclear energy deal, but that may not be enough for a vocal chorus of Indian critics.

A wave of opposition has left India's government reeling and raised serious doubts about the deal's future. Critics argue the agreement could undermine India's cherished nuclear weapons program and allow the U.S. to dictate Indian foreign policy.

Leading the charge are the communist allies of India's prime minister, and beneath their arguments many here see a deeper objection — they don't want New Delhi drawn closer to Washington under any circumstances.

For both countries, the stakes are enormous.

The deal has been repeatedly touted as the foundation of an alliance that could potentially redraw the global balance of power, completing the transformation of a once-hostile relationship between the world's two largest democracies.

U.S. policymakers see India as a counterweight to an ever-more powerful China, and the deal reverses three decades of American policy by allowing the shipment of nuclear fuel and technology to India, which never signed international nonproliferation accords and has tested atomic weapons.

The two years of painstaking negotiations to reach the deal have also provided President Bush with a foreign policy achievement amid the Iraq war and other crises.

For India, the benefits are arguably greater. Its booming but energy-starved economy would gain access to much-needed nuclear fuel and technologies that it has been long denied by its refusal to sign nonproliferation accords. Even though the deal only covers civilian nuclear power, it tacitly acknowledges India as a nuclear-weapons state, giving its weapons program a degree of international legitimacy — and adding to India's growing clout.

The deal, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in an Aug. 13 speech to Parliament, is "another step in our journey to regain our due place in global councils."

But few of the deal's opponents heard his speech that day — they were too busy shouting him down and disrupting Parliament, as they have done nearly every day since.

The opponents run the gamut from right-wing Hindu nationalists to the communists, who are key to Singh's parliamentary majority. The nuclear agreement does not need parliamentary approval, but Singh's government could collapse if his communist allies pull their support because of the deal.

Most of their criticism stems from the Hyde Act, passed last year by American lawmakers to allow nuclear trade with India.

It contains a nonbinding clause directing the U.S. president to determine whether India is cooperating with American efforts to confront Iran about its nuclear program. That has been seized on by Indian critics as proof that Washington intends to direct New Delhi's foreign policy.

The nuclear deal does not address what happens if India tests an atomic weapon — a sign, American critics say, that New Delhi got too much out of the pact.

Indian critics, meanwhile, argue that the lack of an explicit right to test is a sign the U.S. aims to shut down the country's weapons program.

But for the communists, their ultimate objection appears simply to be the United States.

"We must stand against a strategic partnership with the United States of America," said Basudeb Acharya, a top official of the Communist Party of India (Marxist).

He called the invasion of Iraq and Washington's efforts to stop Iran from producing nuclear weapons "foreign policy adventures," and said: "We want no part of this."

The standoff has the communists warning Singh not to press ahead with the next steps in the deal — negotiating agreements with the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a group of nations that export nuclear material — and the prime minister daring them to stop him.

But with talk of early elections growing louder, both sides have started to back down. They are expected to announce this week the creation of a committee to examine the deal before pushing ahead with it.

That, Indian and American officials privately say, could end up scuttling the pact, which still has to be approved by U.S. lawmakers, delaying it to the point where it is no longer viable.

"We will talk and talk and talk and nothing will be done," said a senior member of India's scientific establishment with knowledge of the nuclear deliberations.

"The Americans will not wait forever," he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivities. "And we will never get an agreement like this again."

American officials, who have publicly stayed out of the fray, privately confirmed that view, saying that with U.S. presidential elections coming up next year, they could only wait so long.

Washington acceded to most of New Delhi's demands, giving India the right to stockpile nuclear fuel and reprocess it, a key step in making weapons.

Abandoning such a deal would "be a major setback to India's international ambitions," said retired Gen. Ashok Mehta, a strategic analyst in New Delhi.

"Long-term, India, without the help of the United States and or any other big power, will take much longer to be counted globally," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070827/ap_on_re_as/india_us_nuclear

Personally I feel there will be mid term polls in India, since the left Delhi think tank is at logger heads with not only its Bengali and Kerala politico base.. but also with Congress. Karat is a school boy drilled in the arts of Marxism totally detached from the real world. It is only a question of when the Congress announces mid term polls... The BJP and Left parties opposition to this deal will show them as being anti-Indian and will help Congress come back to power comfortably without the support of the left and the anti-incumbency factor in the current BJP states will assure that they slip in double digit figures.

It would actually be very useful and tactful if Congress announces mid term polls, as they would be the one's benefitting most from it. The left front is doing a great service to their burial by opposing this deal which has benefits galore for India.... I would like to see them routed out of the country...

jawwal
08-28-2007, 08:31 PM
I guess the trick is how to benefit from the U.S technology without falling into the political trap of being dependent.

Maverick
08-29-2007, 04:14 AM
You know this kinda deal in Pakistan would confirm another stint for the government and yet Indian's have the guts to say No! I am extremely impressed. If only Indian's had the same resolve to solve all their border disputes with all their neighbors.

aryan
08-29-2007, 05:45 AM
You know this kinda deal in Pakistan would confirm another stint for the government and yet Indian's have the guts to say No! I am extremely impressed. If only Indian's had the same resolve to solve all their border disputes with all their neighbors.

See know you know our pedigree and we yours.. ;-)
Kidding of course.
Maverick all said and then Kashmir's plebiscite is impossible under present terms.
Hypothetically Plebiscite is held for pakistan/india/independence and the vote 50%+ will decide...

Hypothetical but likely scenario

Northern areas(shia majority) --> pakistan (debatable but shall grant you this one)
Azad kashmir --> pakistan
Ladakh(Buddhist majority) --> India
Jammu(Hindu majority)--> India
Kashmir Valley --> split votes no absolute majority,,

As I have repeatedly said you are basically fighting for kashmir valley that is 16% of geographical area of Kashmir.. Again it' will be divided amongst people who want to go
a) with india
b) with pakistan
c) with independence

so basically you will be left with 5% of area of J&K in the most likely scenario..
Is it worth fighting for? I do not know?

Further till plebiscite is not held Indian constitution will stay enforced and no one in India can act against it. Therefore the govt has no choice due to the legalities. Kashmir is treated as a special region of Kashmir and the impossibility of a plebiscite due to the conditions laid down.

Further Indian Army has to stay put according to Article 370 of the constitution pertaining to autonomous region of Kashmir.

Indian govt is not a fool spending billions of $ and risking millions of lives by being positioned in Kashmir...

shasnahn
08-30-2007, 12:19 AM
Kashmir never acceded to India and neither is the Indian Army's presence in Kashmir lawful or wanted.

Regarding Us-India nuke deal, a few hiccups are to be expected. It wont sink the accord.

Behrooz Boonabi
08-30-2007, 01:47 AM
My take, India seriously needs nuclear power but doesn't need a partner that they can't depend on, especially in the long term. The good part is that at least 20% of US engineers are from India anyway and can obviously communicate quite well.

jawwal
08-30-2007, 03:57 AM
My take, India seriously needs nuclear power but doesn't need a partner that they can't depend on, especially in the long term. The good part is that at least 20% of US engineers are from India anyway and can obviously communicate quite well.

On the technical and technological levels it would be benefit India greatly.