Indian forces using ‘brutal torture’ in indian occupied Kashmir, says Amnesty

[Black_zero]

Indian forces using ‘brutal torture’, says Amnesty


SRINAGAR, Aug 30: Amnesty International has accused Indian security forces of using ‘brutal’ torture in the fight against insurgencies in occupied Kashmir and north-eastern states.

“In areas of armed conflict, torture by security forces is routine and is often particularly brutal,” said a report released on Thursday to mark the International Day of the Disappeared.

“Many women have also been raped by security forces, sometimes in retribution for attacks on security forces by armed groups, or for a community’s perceived support for armed insurgents,” it said.In Kashmir, the groups noted, abuses were especially prevalent because of anti-terrorism laws that made it difficult to prosecute soldiers.“Preventive detention and special laws in force in Jammu and Kashmir give the security forces sweeping powers of arrest and detention and reduce vital safeguards,” the report said.
It said people detained under preventive detention laws were often held in solitary confinement and refused permission to see family, lawyers or doctors.
It alleged that security forces beat suspects, deprived them of food, water and sleep and used electric shocks during interrogation.

It urged New Delhi to ratify the United Nations convention against torture. India is one of eight nations to have signed but not yet ratified the document which has been approved by 144 states.“The armed opposition groups operating in Jammu and Kashmir are responsible for many human rights abuses, including the torture and ill-treatment of civilians,” the report said.An army spokesman in Kashmir rejected the allegations. “We never torture anyone. It is a baseless assumption,” spokesman Anil Kumar Mathur told AFP.
“Yes, we do undertake detailed interrogation of suspects jointly with police and paramilitary forces,” he said, asserting that torture was viewed by the army as “worst type of human rights violation. There are strict instructions not to torture anyone.”—AFP

http://dawn.com/2007/08/31/top10.htm

[techvipin]

They are not using brutal torture. Infact they are killing them in encounters. And they are the ones who come from pakistan occupied kashmir into india, in order to kill the indian kashmiris and other indians.

[Black_zero]

They are not using brutal torture. Infact they are killing them in encounters. And they are the ones who come from pakistan occupied kashmir into india, in order to kill the indian kashmiris and other indians.

nice lie excuse .. do not play with human lifes by speaking lie
http://www.holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/
2. In the eleven years since our first statement the situation in Jammu and Kashmir has deteriorated markedly. While the number of Indian military troops varies (ranging from 400,000 to 800,000 persons), the area is essentially under a continual state of siege. (2) Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions occur with alarming frequency: assassination of political leadership, disappearances, murder and torture of POWs, torture (including rapes) and custodial deaths of civilians, military attacks on the civilian population, attacks on hospitals and medical aid providers, restriction on medical aid and the like. Refugees continue to flee. The United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding the plebiscite remain unimplemented.

[Sinosphere]

This is very unfortunate, rape is always wrong no matter what and women should not suffer for men's conflicts. :(

[techvipin]

2. In the eleven years since our first statement the situation in Jammu and Kashmir has deteriorated markedly. While the number of Indian military troops varies (ranging from 400,000 to 800,000 persons), the area is essentially under a continual state of siege. (2) Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions occur with alarming frequency: assassination of political leadership, disappearances, murder and torture of POWs, torture (including rapes) and custodial deaths of civilians, military attacks on the civilian population, attacks on hospitals and medical aid providers, restriction on medical aid and the like. Refugees continue to flee. The United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding the plebiscite remain unimplemented.

Who do you think is doing this?? Indian military or pak sponsored terrorists.
Where did you find that website of all specially made by the jihadi propagandists to draw youth like you to their terror training camps ??

[techvipin]

I wouldnt be the least apologetic if all the bloodshed occuring in pakistan is sponsored by RAW. You will reap what you sow.

[aryan]

This is very unfortunate, rape is always wrong no matter what and women should not suffer for men's conflicts. :(

Yeah the funny thing is the guy who is mostly raping the women is supported, funded and born in the neighboring country and is fighting for the alleged freedom of these woman!

Kudos keep up the good work NOT!!

[aryan]

I wouldnt be the least apologetic if all the bloodshed occuring in pakistan is sponsored by RAW. You will reap what you sow.

Nah man as an Indian I don't want to see any of our countrymen supporting, funding and committing any terrorist activity anywhere even if it is justified. No Sir...
Assassinating and/or eliminating threats are acceptable and should be carried out but innocents should by and large be unharmed...

[aryan]

Where did you find that website of all specially made by the jihadi propagandists to draw youth like you to their terror training camps ??

*****_**** is a kid when he grows up he will fight for freedom of Kashmir with bombs stuck up his LOL.. he will kill innocent civvies and then launch a fidayeen attack against the army as the other freedom fighters.

His family will get some money and he will be declared a shaheed, a religious martyr for a cause which is political. :frown3:

and the fotos of those dead civvies and terrorists will be again posted in such websites without conveniently or wrongly mentioning who killed whom. :err2:

And this cycle will continue till people actually start living like a true muslims rather than uneducated brainwashed psycopathic fanatics..

This is what Jihad means btw..
http://irandefence.net/showpost.php?p=232160&postcount=146

[techvipin]

Nah man as an Indian I don't want to see any of our countrymen supporting, funding and committing any terrorist activity anywhere even if it is justified. No Sir...
Assassinating and/or eliminating threats are acceptable and should be carried out but innocents should by and large be unharmed...

Even I dont want indians to do that ,but I dont see a solution except to show them that they are no immune to the kind of activities they are perpetrating.
The ideal course of action would be to turn a section of the jihadis against their own kind or the Pak army who is sponsoring it.And something of that kind is what seems to be happening.

[Abbas]

*****_**** is a kid when he grows up he will fight for freedom of Kashmir with bombs stuck up his LOL.. he will kill innocent civvies and then launch a fidayeen attack against the army as the other freedom fighters.

His family will get some money and he will be declared a shaheed, a religious martyr for a cause which is political. :frown3:

and the fotos of those dead civvies and terrorists will be again posted in such websites without conveniently or wrongly mentioning who killed whom. :err2:

And this cycle will continue till people actually start living like a true muslims rather than uneducated brainwashed psycopathic fanatics..

This is what Jihad means btw..
http://irandefence.net/showpost.php?p=232160&postcount=146

what's this mean? are you reffering to someone...

[techvipin]

what's this mean? are you reffering to someone...

Just detailing the most popular career option in pakistan nowadays.

[aryan]

what's this mean? are you reffering to someone...

No one in particular as such..

Who do you think is doing this?? Indian military or pak sponsored terrorists.
Where did you find that website of all specially made by the jihadi propagandists to draw youth like you to their terror training camps ??

well mine was in response to this.It was a satirical and humorous approach if you have a problem you can edit it..
This forum I believe is not a propagandistic tool for some individuals hence my reply.. but its upto you..

[aryan]

Even I dont want indians to do that ,but I dont see a solution except to show them that they are no immune to the kind of activities they are perpetrating.
The ideal course of action would be to turn a section of the jihadis against their own kind or the Pak army who is sponsoring it.And something of that kind is what seems to be happening.


See look what happens when you harbour any group such as the Jihadis etc. more often than not they come back and bite the hand that feeds em...

for eg Bhindranwale, Shiv Sena were creations of Congress in the end what happened they became too powerful and took the fight to the congress...

Same way these Jihadis/Mujhaideen were supported by USA and Pakistan now look at 9/11 and Lal Masjid and Waziristan... Nope I think having proxy groups is a bad bad idea..

Well Ideal response should be like the Israeli response. You kill one of ours we kill one of yours(usually 10x but 1 for 1 is acceptable).. Damn an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but at least it satisfies the yearning for blood..
I think India should now

take the fight into POK as the next logical step. across border raids on terrorist camps.

Censor media, throw out UN from the state.

Stop giving support to surrendered militants.

Kill anyone who harbors terrorists or so much as vocally supports terrorists..

Kill all arrested, surrendered militants.

Basically weed out all present politicians and negative elements from Kashmir and start executing all foreign supported elements such as Naxalites, terrorists etc.

Fence the border completely at whatever cost

Start propaganda to counter negative propaganda.

Make the Sunnis less powerful Trifurcate the state for administrative purposes

pump in a 100 billion $ for development

EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION

Bring in good media agencies for the educated people.

Rename army as KAshmir security force..

Give Kashmir more power in such a way that Indus treaty is nullified and dictate such terms that Pakistan is forced to give up its official position on Kashmir.

voila :xmas_emot3:

[techvipin]

Pakistan can hardly do anything if the indus treaty goes down the drain. India can link the upholding of the treaty to resolution of kashmir. :D

[techvipin]

They must decide between terrorizing kashmir and providing water to their farmers and people.

[techvipin]

India should start looking into an undersea tunnel between mumbai and iran. It sure will cost something like $50Bn but that will turn pakistan into a useless country.

[aryan]

Pakistan can hardly do anything if the indus treaty goes down the drain. India can link the upholding of the treaty to resolution of kashmir. :D

Well I don't think India has faltered on any international treaty ,so therefore it is akin to slinging mud on oneself, so India will not want a big blot on its rep..

There are other ways to annul this treaty if only our govt thinks more on this than in corruption.. ;-)

[aryan]

India should start looking into an undersea tunnel between mumbai and iran. It sure will cost something like $50Bn but that will turn pakistan into a useless country.

No need..India has more than 16% of the world's population and a massive market potential .. all countries will bend over backwards to please it sooner or later...

[retaxis]

lol Techvipin it is so funny when you said Indian is so proud and nice to everyone. I love to see just how blind your willing to be in terms of this Kashmir subject.

[techvipin]

lol Techvipin it is so funny when you said Indian is so proud and nice to everyone. I love to see just how blind your willing to be in terms of this Kashmir subject.

Now if inspite of being nice ,someone keeps on pulling my hair, he should not always expect a kiss in return. He can also recieve a slap at some time.

[retaxis]

Now if inspite of being nice ,someone keeps on pulling my hair, he should not always expect a kiss in return. He can also recieve a slap at some time.

Lol still sticking up for Indians and saying how they are so proud and so nice to people.

You know arguing that India is a very human country is like saying America isn't thinking about oil.

A slap meaning torture and killing of hundreds of thousands of people. You see i don't care whether India is barbaric or not, thing is you have to face the truth and not lie to yourself. I mean i can say China killed 55miillion of its own citizens during the cultural revolution and crushed Tibet and Xinjiang so they will never fight the Chinese for their territory. Now at least i realise that and not say hey Chinese were just doing whats right and right now Tibetan's and Uighurs are living a much much better life (that is true).

[RAAWI]

Lol still sticking up for Indians and saying how they are so proud and so nice to people.

You know arguing that India is a very human country is like saying America isn't thinking about oil.

A slap meaning torture and killing of hundreds of thousands of people. You see i don't care whether India is barbaric or not, thing is you have to face the truth and not lie to yourself. I mean i can say China killed 55miillion of its own citizens during the cultural revolution and crushed Tibet and Xinjiang so they will never fight the Chinese for their territory. Now at least i realise that and not say hey Chinese were just doing whats right and right now Tibetan's and Uighurs are living a much much better life (that is true).

Dear

It needs moral courage to accept. and now its routine and well known arguments with our nbr, they are right and whole world is wrong if sply it is related to Pakistan.

regards

[techvipin]

Lol still sticking up for Indians and saying how they are so proud and so nice to people.

You know arguing that India is a very human country is like saying America isn't thinking about oil.

A slap meaning torture and killing of hundreds of thousands of people. You see i don't care whether India is barbaric or not, thing is you have to face the truth and not lie to yourself. I mean i can say China killed 55miillion of its own citizens during the cultural revolution and crushed Tibet and Xinjiang so they will never fight the Chinese for their territory. Now at least i realise that and not say hey Chinese were just doing whats right and right now Tibetan's and Uighurs are living a much much better life (that is true).

India is not killing its citizens. India is killing pakistani citizens who cross into india to terrorize the public. Try if you want :frown3:
Going by your logic, india should kill all kashmiris so that the rest can have a good life. But the terrorists have actually frightened a large part of the kashmiri population to flee kashmir and settle as refugees in other parts of the country. My comment about slap was w.r.t. pakistan , not for the kashmiri people. Pakistan must realize that if it continues to train and send jihadis into india , india may not stay quiet forever and return some of the favor(i.e. the slap).

[techvipin]

Dear

It needs moral courage to accept. and now its routine and well known arguments with our nbr, they are right and whole world is wrong if sply it is related to Pakistan.

regards

What does the world say ???:smile1:

""I want to be clear about one thing: If we have actionable intelligence about imminent terrorist activity and the Pakistani government refuses to act, we will," Edwards said.

Many Republicans and some Democrats criticized Obama for making a similar pledge last month. Clinton has said she would be willing to attack targets in Pakistan if evidence of al-Qaida activity came to light."
Source:- http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hQvAuHnlHI84KSwnT1-1tZL36wdw
(Associated press)
Do you think all american presidential candidates have suddenly discovered that pakistan has a better forest than africa for game killing ?

" Pakistan link to foiled Germany terror plot"
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=10009
(A pakistani source)

" Britain arrests terror suspect deported from Pakistan"
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzhz-zo6nKLkpg3IAqB4zyd4mR2A
(AFP)
:xmas_emot3::xmas_emot3:

[techvipin]

"Afghan suicide attackers coming through Pakistan: UN
9 Sep 2007, 0317 hrs IST,AFP
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KABUL: The spiralling number of suicide attacks in Afghanistan are often carried out by young Afghan men who pass through religious schools in Pakistan, a United Nations report said on Sunday.

Some attackers appeared driven by anger at the presence of international forces and the civilians being killed in their anti-Taliban operations, the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) study said.

Others were motivated by religious zeal or were young boys who had been abducted and forced into the task or somehow persuaded they would survive and earn rewards such as cash, a motorcycle or a cell phone, it said.

There were 77 suicide attacks in the first six months of this year, about twice the number for the same period last year and 26 times higher than from January to June 2005, the survey said.

This year to June, suicide bombings killed 193 people, 121 of whom were civilians even though three-quarters of the attacks were targeted at Afghan and international security forces, it said.

Sixty-two Afghan security personnel and 10 international soldiers were also killed.

To the end of August this year there had been 103 attacks, compared with 123 for the whole of 2006.

The first such attack in Afghanistan was carried out by al-Qaeda operatives exactly six years ago (September 9, 2001) and killed famous Soviet occupation resistance commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, the report said.

There were five between 2001 and 2005 - and they jumped in 2006 to become today an "integral part" of the Taliban's strategy but also used by other Islamist anti-government groups."



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Afghan_suicide_attackers_coming_through_Pakistan_UN/articleshow/2351595.cms

[aryan]

lol Techvipin it is so funny when you said Indian is so proud and nice to everyone. I love to see just how blind your willing to be in terms of this Kashmir subject.

Are you **** seriously.

It is because of our govt. policy that we have allowed this problem to escalate. Have you seen what China has done in Tibet and Uighur. If the same were to happen to Kashmir we'd be alright now.

According to article 370, no non-Kashmiri subject can own land in Kashmir or get a Kashmiri documents therefore the ethnic balance is maintained.

Indian govt is being very very patient and nice in Kashmir if a Dogra or Punjabi is made the top honcho of Kashmir with independent charge he is gonna make everything allright.

KPS Gill one of the premier anti-terror specialist cop who was responsible for finishing terrorism in Punjab was not allowed to lead the forces in Punjab because Indian govt didn't want a non-Kashmiri to lead anti-terror activities(IMO BS they didn't wanna lose votes because this man believes in violence).

Indian forces are not allowed to cross the border, militants who surrender are given lacs of rupees, pro-Jihadi politicians are not arrested rather provided security by the Indian forces, billions of dollars are pumped into Kashmir, Kashmir's GDP though is non existent yet it has the least poverty and one of the higher per capita income.

Man you for sure aren't real.. LOL

[aryan]

Dear

It needs moral courage to accept. and now its routine and well known arguments with our nbr, they are right and whole world is wrong if sply it is related to Pakistan.

regards

Lets take for an instance what non Indians say?
US Blamed Pakistan for abetting 9/11
Germany arrested Pak trained terrorists
7/7 bomber in UK were Pakis or britpakis
The foiled bomb attack on airport perpetrators were Pakis.
etc. etc.

Now turn of India

Pak assembly has called for jihad against India
Kashmir is the issue of survival for most Paki govts
Pak is full of trained militia indoctrined into extremism and hate against non-muslims
The hijacking of Indian airlines was by pakis, released terrorists were pakis
Khalistan movement was supported by pakis and the terrorists are still there
Dawood, a memon, was given non official asylum in Karachi(memon stronghold)
etc. etc.

Other instances like
Lal masjid, Baloch struggle, Mohajir-non mohajir violence in Karachi, Pashtun struggle, Taliban, Islamic emirate of Waziristan, total lack of development in Northern areas, Rise of extremism etc. etc.

No wonder that India is mostly right..

[aryan]

Lol still sticking up for Indians and saying how they are so proud and so nice to people.

You know arguing that India is a very human country is like saying America isn't thinking about oil.


Wtf US and India have different interests. Calling India a non human country is like calling you intelligent..


A slap meaning torture and killing of hundreds of thousands of people.


LOL when did slap constitute torture and killing?


You see i don't care whether India is barbaric or not, thing is you have to face the truth and not lie to yourself. I mean i can say China killed 55miillion of its own citizens during the cultural revolution and crushed Tibet and Xinjiang so they will never fight the Chinese for their territory. Now at least i realise that and not say hey Chinese were just doing whats right and right now Tibetan's and Uighurs are living a much much better life (that is true).

You are justifying in effect deaths of 55million people and curbing the right to freedom of people who occupy more that 2,500,000km2?????
That is called state torture..

Indians are not barbaric.. you have no idea on Kashmir... I suggest you compare the situation in Pakistani with Indian Kashmir as for Chinese Kashmir no one has any Idea because your govt is very secretive..

[techvipin]

Lol still sticking up for Indians and saying how they are so proud and so nice to people.

You know arguing that India is a very human country is like saying America isn't thinking about oil.

A slap meaning torture and killing of hundreds of thousands of people. You see i don't care whether India is barbaric or not, thing is you have to face the truth and not lie to yourself. I mean i can say China killed 55miillion of its own citizens during the cultural revolution and crushed Tibet and Xinjiang so they will never fight the Chinese for their territory. Now at least i realise that and not say hey Chinese were just doing whats right and right now Tibetan's and Uighurs are living a much much better life (that is true).
I wonder where you stand in the bell curve that you claim peaks at 105 for people of your breed.I wonder where they have hidden all those super - intels.Only came across one as yet, and he was my supervisor at a very well known university, and a very kind person, but haven't found another one of the same level as yet.

[Vinay]

Lol still sticking up for Indians and saying how they are so proud and so nice to people.

You know arguing that India is a very human country is like saying America isn't thinking about oil.

A slap meaning torture and killing of hundreds of thousands of people. You see i don't care whether India is barbaric or not, thing is you have to face the truth and not lie to yourself. I mean i can say China killed 55miillion of its own citizens during the cultural revolution and crushed Tibet and Xinjiang so they will never fight the Chinese for their territory. Now at least i realise that and not say hey Chinese were just doing whats right and right now Tibetan's and Uighurs are living a much much better life (that is true).


Retaxis, it is not china's fault. they are a great people who are enslaved by the current terrorists/goons led by hu jintao.

What is going on in tibet is cultural genocide.
the terrorist hu knows that tibet is in no position to challenge the eastern part still he kills peaceful monks and students with his barbarian army.

[aryan]

What is going on in tibet is cultural genocide.


Absolutely.