Russia selling S-400 to Iran

[DehdaR]

Russian officials have said numerous of times in the past that Russia will not export the S-400 anti aircraft/missile defence system to any countries, but it looks like Iran is one of the very few exceptions!

Iranian army to be equipped with S-400

Vice Chairman of Russia's State Duma Vladimir Zhirinovsky has urged the fast delivery of the magnificent S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran.

Speaking at the open session of Russia's State Duma on Wednesday, Zhirinovsky stated, "S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems should be delivered as early as possible to enable Iran to defend its air space."

The S-400 is a new generation of anti-aircraft / anti-missile weapon system developed by the Russian Almaz Central Design Bureau.

The S-400 is capable of detecting and destroying targets out to a range of 400km (250 miles), such as aircrafts, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, including those with a range of 3,500 km.

Sources confirm that the S-400 is capable of detecting and destroying aircraft made with low observable materials such as the American 'stealth' aircraft.

Russia provided Belarus with the same system a short time ago.

The S-400 is so sophisticated and powerful that can change the military balance of a region since it is capable of hitting targets that were previously considered untouchable.

The anti missile system has an unbelievable speed of 4.8 Km per second which is faster than a bullet leaving a Kalashnikov machine gun.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=21983&sectionid=351020602

[BornB4]

The historical part is 'urged fast delivery.' Russia takes forever with everything.

[DehdaR]

The historical part is 'urged fast delivery.' Russia takes forever with everything.

Only time will tell. The TOR-M1 systems were delivered about a year after the deal was signed.

[JanIran]

http://www.ausairpower.net/5P85SE-S-400.jpg
http://www.ausairpower.net/S-400-Production-Vehicles-2007.jpg
http://www.military.cz/russia/sam/s400/s400_6.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/S-400.jpg

[Sajjad]

Hmm...this is good. Iran must defend itself. Hopefully it will be many of these systems, insh'Allah Iran can study it and learn how it works as well.

[Kaveh]

good ;) S-400 is a good choice

[DehdaR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ripHZ58Jp-w

[JanIran]

http://img.rian.ru/images/6148/05/61480521.jpg

[Aryamehr]

Here in Norway Vladimir Zhirinovsky is well known. he is a far far right extremist who hates USA and the West. He has no power and I have doubts that this will be done. :(

[jawwal]

Would be great news if true, but so far Russia has not supplied iran with the S-300 in large numbers, maybe after the missile shield problems with the U.S, the Russian decided to not give in to U.S pressure on such issues.

[Mahati]

Hmm...this is good. Iran must defend itself. Hopefully it will be many of these systems, insh'Allah Iran can study it and learn how it works as well.

Great once again Iran is getting equipment from an outside source and then will do what they are good at doing...reverse engineering everything. :roflmao3:

[jawwal]

Great once again Iran is getting equipment from an outside source and then will do what they are good at doing...reverse engineering everything. :roflmao3:

Very smart move, been done before by China and saved great time and vast resources.

[JEskandari]

If It's true ,it seems that the USA missile shield angered Russian so much they want to made one such shield for themselves, and they choose someplace to hurt American feelings as much as possible .

[JEskandari]

Great once again Iran is getting equipment from an outside source and then will do what they are good at doing...reverse engineering everything. :roflmao3:
It's right we have no other choice than to be good at reverse engineering but we wont copy we change what we copy according to our needs.

[Ayyash]

Has it been determined how many will be delivered.

Also, iran could reverse engineer cool-aid if they wanted to

[retaxis]

how much would this cost Iran?

[Aryamehr]

Has it been determined how many will be delivered.

Also, iran could reverse engineer cool-aid if they wanted to

it has not even been ordered or decided in the Duma to be delivered.

[Bumble Bee]

It's already being produced. They want Russia to speed it up though.

[Sinosphere]

Is it a possibility the reason for sale to Iran is to test out the system against US forces?

The reason I think this is because the S-400 is a new and advanced system, not sure Russia is willing to export so soon.

Russia could be assuming an ever closer conflict between the US and Iran that the USAF would attack Iran mainly with air strike campaigns. Therefore offer a great opportunity to test the S-400 in real combat environment.

This is my thought, I could be mistaken.

[DehdaR]

Is it a possibility the reason for sale to Iran is to test out the system against US forces?

The reason I think this is because the S-400 is a new and advanced system, not sure Russia is willing to export so soon.

Russia could be assuming an ever closer conflict between the US and Iran that the USAF would attack Iran mainly with air strike campaigns. Therefore offer a great opportunity to test the S-400 in real combat environment.

This is my thought, I could be mistaken.

Yes that's a reasonable possibility. Another possibility is that Russia wants to ensure that the USN/USAF won't attack Iran. Think about it, if the U.S. gets control of Iran nobody will remain to prevent her from taking control of the Persian Gulf.

[Sinosphere]

Yes that's a reasonable possibility. Another possibility is that Russia wants to ensure that the USN/USAF won't attack Iran. Think about it, if the U.S. gets control of Iran nobody will remain to prevent her from taking control of the Persian Gulf.

Your possibility is also reasonable, By supplying Iran with advanced air defence systems such as the S-400 would increase the chances of the US not to attack Iran.

This is a good scenario as a conflict could possibly be prevented.

If the US persists in going to war with Iran, I don't think the US could control Iran. The reason I think this is because Iran is much more stronger than Iraq and the US forces is already having a difficult task to control it, let alone try to control Iran.

Another reason is the US is engaged in Afghanistan and Iraq, I think it would be difficult to sustain another war.

I really hope there is no war between the US and Iran because I think there would be mass deaths for both sides.

[Mahati]

Yes that's a reasonable possibility. Another possibility is that Russia wants to ensure that the USN/USAF won't attack Iran. Think about it, if the U.S. gets control of Iran nobody will remain to prevent her from taking control of the Persian Gulf.

Very reasonable possibility but who is to say that the US does not already control the Persian Gulf? What Navy out there is able to say otherwise? Just curious.

[Relikt]

Folks it is THE Vladimir Zhirinovsky. Guy is clown. And I still dont understand how in Russia vote for him. What ever he said isnt relevant.

P.S. Duma isnt so important in Russia. Russia have presidential system.

[Lurker22]

Iran will not get the S-400 for years.

The Russian military JUST received the system, why would they give it to a foreign country?

The Russian military will be the only ones owning S-400 systems until an upgraded version is manufactured.

Iran only has a handful of S-300's, so its more likely that Russia will sell Iran S-300 systems now that the S-400 is delivered to the Russian military.


And lol at the people saying Iran can "reverse-engineer" the S-400 system.

That would take years for Iran, the S-400 system is Russia's new gen air defense system.

Compare how many years Russia has been manufacturing air defense systems to how many years Iran has.

Iran is doing the right thing starting out small(older air defense systems) and working its way up.

[StateMachine]

Iran will not get the S-400 for years.

The Russian military JUST received the system, why would they give it to a foreign country?

The Russian military will be the only ones owning S-400 systems until an upgraded version is manufactured.

Iran only has a handful of S-300's, so its more likely that Russia will sell Iran S-300 systems now that the S-400 is delivered to the Russian military.


And lol at the people saying Iran can "reverse-engineer" the S-400 system.

That would take years for Iran, the S-400 system is Russia's new gen air defense system.

Compare how many years Russia has been manufacturing air defense systems to how many years Iran has.

Iran is doing the right thing starting out small(older air defense systems) and working its way up.


Exactly right.

I would also further add, that it is in Russia's interest to get the US embroiled in yet another war against a country an order of magnitude more deadly than Iraq and Afghanistan.

[jawwal]

Iran will not get the S-400 for years.

The Russian military JUST received the system, why would they give it to a foreign country?

The Russian military will be the only ones owning S-400 systems until an upgraded version is manufactured.

Iran only has a handful of S-300's, so its more likely that Russia will sell Iran S-300 systems now that the S-400 is delivered to the Russian military.


And lol at the people saying Iran can "reverse-engineer" the S-400 system.

That would take years for Iran, the S-400 system is Russia's new gen air defense system.

Compare how many years Russia has been manufacturing air defense systems to how many years Iran has.

Iran is doing the right thing starting out small(older air defense systems) and working its way up.

Most likely u are right, Iran would probably recieve more advanced version of the SA-300, currently only Russia has the SA-400 and in small numbers positioned around Moscow..
Definitely would take Iran long years to reverse engineer such a complex system when they have it...

[Lurker22]

Most likely u are right, Iran would probably recieve more advanced version of the SA-300, currently only Russia has the SA-400 and in small numbers positioned around Moscow..
Definitely would take Iran long years to reverse engineer such a complex system when they have it...

I mean I don't care how good the S-400 is, if Iran only receives a couple its not like its going to make a MAJOR difference in a large scale bomb attack.

What Iran needs is a unified air defense network.

[fairplayall]

I mean I don't care how good the S-400 is, if Iran only receives a couple its not like its going to make a MAJOR difference in a large scale bomb attack.

What Iran needs is a unified air defense network.

Something is better than nothing.

Concentrate those missiles on expensive stealth planes...then it is worth all the money spent.

These SAMs systems can identify the types of air crafts. let the easily detected for other systems.

Still each cost less than a plane.

[Bumble Bee]

Great. These and some S-300s will make Iran's air defence unbeatable.

[sarbaz]

There is no way Russia will supply Iran with S-400.
I will very be happy even if they give us the S-300MPU2.

[Zmey Smirnoff]

Zombie thread. We've been over this 100 times already.

[spymaster]

Absolutely right - no way will Iran get S-400

Iran doesnt have any version of SA-10 or SA-20 yet.

This is a fact although clearly, it is highly likely that Iran has ordered a version of it.

Now lets see if Russia decides to deliver................:teacher3:













Iran will not get the S-400 for years.

The Russian military JUST received the system, why would they give it to a foreign country?

The Russian military will be the only ones owning S-400 systems until an upgraded version is manufactured.

Iran only has a handful of S-300's, so its more likely that Russia will sell Iran S-300 systems now that the S-400 is delivered to the Russian military.


And lol at the people saying Iran can "reverse-engineer" the S-400 system.

That would take years for Iran, the S-400 system is Russia's new gen air defense system.

Compare how many years Russia has been manufacturing air defense systems to how many years Iran has.

Iran is doing the right thing starting out small(older air defense systems) and working its way up.

[zeidi]

It would be good fo iran but im sure this isnt true . the only countries that Russia has offered to sell this system is to Greece and Uae .

[Fadly]

Russia will not sell S-400 until russian military are properly equipped with this missile.

[PERSPOLIS]

anytime the price of oil goes down u can be sure ruskies will sell anything to

anyone :teacher3:

even to USA ...

[Shamshir of Light]

U.S. Sources: Iran Buying Russian SA-20s


Dec 10, 2008
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Douglas Barrie/London

http://www.aviationweek.com/media/images/defense_images/Missiles/SA-20Thin-RuLavanviaWikipedia.jpg Senior U.S. government officials independently confirm that Iran is now "on contract" for the Russian SA-20 strategic SAM system, irrespective of Kremlin protestations to the contrary.
Tehran's deployment of such a system would mark a step-up in capability, and considerably improve the country's ability to defend its controversial nuclear facilities where the West remains concerned that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons capability.
"The Iranians are on contract for SA-20," says a government official. "We've got a huge set of challenges in the future that we've never had (before). We've been lulled into a false sense of security because our operations over the last 20 years involved complete air dominance and we've been free to operate in all domains," he adds.
The proliferation of so-called double-digit surface-to-air missile systems - such as the Almaz Antey SA-20 (S-300PMU1/S-300PMU2) - poses an increasing threat to non-stealthy aircraft, and will force changes in tactics and operational planning. The SA-20 has an engagement envelope of up to 150 kilometers; and Iran may be signed up for the S-300PMU-2 variant of the system.
Russia could use Belorussia as the route for a sale, allowing it to deny any direct involvement, says a U.S. official.
Still, it would likely take the Iranian armed forces some time, as much as 22 months, to become proficient in the operation of the SA-20. However, any deal would almost certainly cover training support of the system in the interim.
Photo: RuLavan via Wikipedia</I>

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/SAM12108.xml&headline=U.S.%20Sources:%20Iran%20Buying%20Russian%20SA-20s&channel=defense

[Noor]

U.S. Sources: Iran Buying Russian SA-20s


Dec 10, 2008
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Douglas Barrie/London

http://www.aviationweek.com/media/images/defense_images/Missiles/SA-20Thin-RuLavanviaWikipedia.jpg Senior U.S. government officials independently confirm that Iran is now "on contract" for the Russian SA-20 strategic SAM system, irrespective of Kremlin protestations to the contrary.
Tehran's deployment of such a system would mark a step-up in capability, and considerably improve the country's ability to defend its controversial nuclear facilities where the West remains concerned that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons capability.
"The Iranians are on contract for SA-20," says a government official. "We've got a huge set of challenges in the future that we've never had (before). We've been lulled into a false sense of security because our operations over the last 20 years involved complete air dominance and we've been free to operate in all domains," he adds.
The proliferation of so-called double-digit surface-to-air missile systems - such as the Almaz Antey SA-20 (S-300PMU1/S-300PMU2) - poses an increasing threat to non-stealthy aircraft, and will force changes in tactics and operational planning. The SA-20 has an engagement envelope of up to 150 kilometers; and Iran may be signed up for the S-300PMU-2 variant of the system.
Russia could use Belorussia as the route for a sale, allowing it to deny any direct involvement, says a U.S. official.
Still, it would likely take the Iranian armed forces some time, as much as 22 months, to become proficient in the operation of the SA-20. However, any deal would almost certainly cover training support of the system in the interim.
Photo: RuLavan via Wikipedia</I>

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/SAM12108.xml&headline=U.S.%20Sources:%20Iran%20Buying%20Russian%20SA-20s&channel=defense

Good news if its true.

[bhramos]

Great news for IRAN.......

[Twelver]

the Russian authorities again and again by themselves said that Russia has no plan to sell such weapons to ME countries (Syria and Iran), but the rumors continue.

Russia's arms-export giant has reportedly denied plans to equip Iran and Syria with the powerful S-300 surface-to-air defense system.

"We have no information of this kind," a spokesman for the Russian state-owned firm, Rosoboronexport, said in response to claims about the potential sales of the advanced S-300 missile to Middle Eastern countries.

The report by Russia's Interfax news agency came as the Israeli caretaker Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that he would discuss issues of 'special, immediate concern' including the supply of advanced missiles and weapons technology to Tehran and Damascus during his two-day visit to Moscow.

Israel maintains that the missile defense deal would 'upset the military-strategic balance in the Middle East'.
...
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=71456&sectionid=351020101

[Zraver]

Good news if its true.


It's also being reported that the US just bought the S-300's Tin Shield Radar from the Ukraine. if it did, then Russia might well go ahead and get the cash from sale knowing it won't affect the regional balance of power because the US will be facing a fatally flawed system.

[dannytoro]

....Is that the most compact version of S-400? That's sort of......Huge.......I thought they had a neat arrangement on a few apc's available......

[Twelver]

It's also being reported that the US just bought the S-300's Tin Shield Radar from the Ukraine. if it did, then Russia might well go ahead and get the cash from sale knowing it won't affect the regional balance of power because the US will be facing a fatally flawed system.

it won't effect because "the US just bought the S-300's tin shield radar from the Ukraine."
and the Russians are too stupid and backward and can do nothing about this piece of the system, and party is over and US is the only superpower and will always be, right?

[Bumble Bee]

U.S. Sources: Iran Buying Russian SA-20s
Glad for Iran. That loser Smirnoff tried to tell me I was wrong.

[Zraver]

it won't effect because "the US just bought the S-300's tin shield radar from the Ukraine."
and the Russians are too stupid and backward and can do nothing about this piece of the system, and party is over and US is the only superpower and will always be, right?


Russia is smart enough to cash in now, sell a system that will probalby be compromised, let Iran take a beating and be there to "step" and act as a friend. They'll have all sorts of cash to help Iran rebuild and even modernize. But nothing is free and Iran will be forced to remember why mercantilism and being a Russian client is bad.


Russia is never going to sell Iran anything that can prevent it from acting as it wants to, or that alters the balance of power in favor of Iran.

[Bumble Bee]

With that belief why don't Israel try to enter and fly over damascus or bomb Iran's reactors? Because these systems prevent you from being able to do so.

[Zraver]

With that belief why don't Israel try to enter and fly over damascus or bomb Iran's reactors? Because these systems prevent you from being able to do so.

Iran's reactors are out of range, and not a target. The real target are the centrifuges and outside Israel's ability.

As for Syria, Israeli jets violate Syrian airspace at will. They did so before the 2006 war, during the 2006 war, when they bombed the camel hotel in 2007, and again in Sept 2007 to get the Pantsyr's radar signature.

[arri]

Iran's reactors are out of range, and not a target. The real target are the centrifuges and outside Israel's ability.

Glad that you know this.

As for Syria, Israeli jets violate Syrian airspace at will. They did so before the 2006 war, during the 2006 war, when they bombed the camel hotel in 2007, and again in Sept 2007 to get the Pantsyr's radar signature.

A few things that need to be pointed out because a lot of the this is PR related.

1) when Israeli jets buzzed the so called presidential palace, news services forgot to mention that it was the presidential retreat located on the mediterranean.

2) Camel hotel was not only a surprise attack on an unprotected target, but also, Israel jets came from north (Turkey)

3) getting radar signature and then bugging out at high speeds is a very low risk incursion.

[Zraver]

Glad that you know this.

I am a realist, I've never said Israel had the capability. If you recall, if war comes I predict the US will go after the soft underbelly (power stations, bridges, rail/highway lines etc) and let time do to Iran what it did to Iraq.



A few things that need to be pointed out because a lot of the this is PR related.

1) when Israeli jets buzzed the so called presidential palace, news services forgot to mention that it was the presidential retreat located on the mediterranean.

2) Camel hotel was not only a surprise attack on an unprotected target, but also, Israel jets came from north (Turkey)

3) getting radar signature and then bugging out at high speeds is a very low risk incursion.

Israel still seems to violate Syrian airspace at will.

[wmac]

Now "Die Presse" reports the story:

Russland liefert Luftabwehr-Systeme an den Iran

Russland liefert an den Iran Luftverteidigungswaffen von Typ S300, wie die russische Nachrichtenagentur RIA meldete. Sie berief sich dabei auf "vertrauliche Quellen". Im Oktober hatte das Außenministerium in Moskau noch Spekulationen widersprochen, wonach das Land das Abwehrsystem an den Iran verkaufen könnte. Russland habe nicht die Absicht, Waffen in Unruheregionen zu liefern, hieß es damals.

Mit dem S300-System könnte der Iran seine Atomanlagen gegen Angriffe der USA oder Israels schützen. Beide Staaten hatten sich alle Optionen offengehalten, sollte der Iran Atomwaffen entwickeln. Die modernste Version des S300-Abwehrsystems kann anfliegende Ziele in einer Entfernung von 120 Kilometern erfassen und bekämpfen.


http://diepresse.com/home/politik/aussenpolitik/438577/index.do?from=rss

[Bumble Bee]

Iran's reactors are out of range, and not a target. The real target are the centrifuges and outside Israel's ability.

As for Syria, Israeli jets violate Syrian airspace at will. They did so before the 2006 war, during the 2006 war, when they bombed the camel hotel in 2007, and again in Sept 2007 to get the Pantsyr's radar signature.
Quit speculating. They got the radar signature before then when Syria fired missiles and hit one of Israel's aircraft. When Israel attempted it again, they achieved nothing. They targeted nothing. They attempted to do another flyover of Assad's residence but were detected so retreated. If they can do so much why not fly in Syrian airspace as they do lebanon?

And Busher is not out of Israel's reach. They could launch air to surcafe missiles at the site and not be immediately intercepted. They are just to scared to try it.

[Zraver]

Quit speculating. They got the radar signature before then when Syria fired missiles and hit one of Israel's aircraft. When Israel attempted it again, they achieved nothing. They targeted nothing. They attempted to do another flyover of Assad's residence but were detected so retreated. If they can do so much why not fly in Syrian airspace as they do lebanon?

And Busher is not out of Israel's reach. They could launch air to surcafe missiles at the site and not be immediately intercepted. They are just to scared to try it.

When did Syria hit an Israeli jet?

What Israeli SSM has the range and payload?

[Relikt]

What Pantsyr have with S-400?

http://www.haborumuveszete.hu/rovatok/hirek/irani_segitseg_sziriai_reketafejleszteshez/pantsyr1.jpg

It is excellent system but it only for close range defense and primary agianst helicopters and attack planes (A-10 or Su-25).

[arri]

What Pantsyr have with S-400?

It is excellent system but it only for close range defense and primary agianst helicopters and attack planes (A-10 or Su-25).

He is talking about an Israeli mission to detect syria's pantsyr units. He knows the difference between the two systems.

[Relikt]

He is talking about an Israeli mission to detect syria's pantsyr units. He knows the difference between the two systems.
But why he thinks Syrians would lit up Pantsyr radar? To me it is fishy. Pantsyr is part of much larger system. If you jam bigger radars Pantsyr isnt efficient. It need to get data from GCI (target vector) so it can position it self against incoming target.

[arri]

But why he thinks Syrians would lit up Pantsyr radar? To me it is fishy. Pantsyr is part of much larger system. If you jam bigger radars Pantsyr isnt efficient. It need to get data from GCI (target vector) so it can position it self against incoming target.

It was my understanding that pantsyr was an independent system designed to protect convoys or used as point defence. Israelis have been testing Syrian air defences regularly for 40 years. They know exactly where everything Syria has is located, what it is, what their procedures are, and can fly to just about anywhere they like, given its not too deep or not too overly protected. it makes sense for them to update their intelligence since Syrian supposedly started to get their Pantsyr units since June.

[Zraver]

But why he thinks Syrians would lit up Pantsyr radar? To me it is fishy. Pantsyr is part of much larger system. If you jam bigger radars Pantsyr isnt efficient. It need to get data from GCI (target vector) so it can position it self against incoming target.

They need the freqs Syria is using to program the jammers and to enable network intrusion.

[PERSPOLIS]

oil is cheap and iran has no money russia has to finance the weapons ...

[Behrooz Boonabi]

oil is cheap and iran has no money russia has to finance the weapons ...

Financing your weapons is a horrible mistake and so is buying them.

[arri]

Financing your weapons is a horrible mistake and so is buying them.

No need to finance. Over the past 2 years, iranian cash reserves and sovereign fund have doubled. I am not saying that lower oil prices is not going to effect the spending projects, but at the moment, buying advanced air defence that is respected by the Americans is necessary.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

No need to finance. Over the past 2 years, iranian cash reserves and sovereign fund have doubled. I am not saying that lower oil prices is not going to effect the spending projects, but at the moment, buying advanced air defence that is respected by the Americans is necessary.

I beg to differ. I do agree that there is no need to finance, there is plenty of money in any currency to last many years, even squandering. US generals do not want to attack because of the retaliation is to heavy. Past US estimate requires 3 months of around the clock bombing just to neutralize Iranian military retaliation for an attack.

They also said Americans would be greeted with flowers in Iraq and went to find OBL and said "mission accomplished" as they cant even find 4 commercial jets that went missing crashing into buildings while they say they can find airspace intruders with ease, but cant find hundreds of airplanes flying in bringing Colombian cargo. They have been down hill since the 60's and now crashing.

Don't buy the BS they are programed to spew.

[Relikt]

They need the freqs Syria is using to program the jammers and to enable network intrusion.
Syrians know what Israel is doing so why they would lit up their radars?

Pantysir have EOTS so it doesnt need radar to be accurate. Something like this:

http://www.ausairpower.net/ZRK-Tor-M2E-EO-Aperture-1S.jpg

[Zraver]

Without radar, it won't have much warning time at all. A jet on the deck doing 400+ knots is gone in a blink.

[Relikt]

Without radar, it won't have much warning time at all. A jet on the deck doing 400+ knots is gone in a blink.
Advanced EOTS are capable to detect fast flight target on 10km or more. They are capable as small radars. So even if Israel can jam Pantsyr radar, crew will switch to EOTS. Also jamming would be warning that something is happening.

[PERSPOLIS]

the russians said they are not selling 400 but 300 PMU2 !!!

I heard they are very close in performance except 400 can use satelites

[mustavaris]

belorussians seems to be on the list though... but they have their reasons.

[Draftroom]

Advanced EOTS are capable to detect fast flight target on 10km or more. They are capable as small radars. So even if Israel can jam Pantsyr radar, crew will switch to EOTS. Also jamming would be warning that something is happening.

EOTS systems only work if they have a clear line of sight, and if Israel is jamming your radar it likely won't matter anyways. They will just drop an anti-radiation missile on the source of the radar, and then you can say goodbye to your SAM launcher.

[Ayyash]

EOTS systems only work if they have a clear line of sight, and if Israel is jamming your radar it likely won't matter anyways. They will just drop an anti-radiation missile on the source of the radar, and then you can say goodbye to your SAM launcher.
Thats what troubled the Serbs alot, they cobbled together a solution of flicking on and off their radar to break the target, or something like that, does anyone else have any information on this since i'm no expert on the Balkans?

[Sokuy30]

Thats what troubled the Serbs alot, they cobbled together a solution of flicking on and off their radar to break the target, or something like that, does anyone else have any information on this since i'm no expert on the Balkans?
He is drafting right now,. He comes and goes!:roflmao3:
Nevermind him now, arri shoved him back to his hole.:biggrin1::roflmao3:

[arri]

Thats what troubled the Serbs alot, they cobbled together a solution of flicking on and off their radar to break the target, or something like that, does anyone else have any information on this since i'm no expert on the Balkans?

They flickered their radars on to get a heading ... then shot missiles .. and truned the radars on when the missiles were in the air. It worked well and rendered Harm pretty useless. Serbs big problem was not having anything high altitude, or long range and Nato flew above the range of their SAMs.

[Ayyash]

They flickered their radars on to get a heading ... then shot missiles .. and truned the radars on when the missiles were in the air. It worked well and rendered Harm pretty useless. Serbs big problem was not having anything high altitude, or long range and Nato flew above the range of their SAMs.

Ah yes, thats what "behind enemy lines" was about, right?

Also, the Kolchuga is immune to ARM missiles, while were on that, how much coverage do Iranian Kolchugas have 'cause they wont do any good if they cover Tehran and thats it.


Regardless, the S-400, one battery costs 1 billion dollars(8 command modules, 8 laser illuminaters, 32 missiles total), whereas a battery of S-300PMU-2 costs 125 million. Note that Iran would/is getting the PMU-1 variety. So in my opinion it would be more effective to invest in more PMU-2's.