Air Force Fully Prepared to Defend Country

[Soroush]

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Acting Deputy Commander of the Islamic Republic of Iran's air force said that his troops are fully prepared to defend the country.

Speaking to FNA, Brigadier General Ghasem Mohammad Amini reminded that the Iranian air force defended the country during the 8 years of Iraqi imposed war and said, "Considering the valuable experiences we have gained during the imposed war on Iran, we have increased our military capabilities and we are now fully prepared to defend the country's borders."

He further pointed out that his troops are at the highest level of preparedness possible.

Noting the Israeli army's extensive invasion of southern Lebanon and its intensive air strikes on the different cities, towns and residential areas of that country, he said, "Despite Israel's extensive military possibilities and equipment, we are now witnessing how Hezbollah troops have managed to defeat them while the Shiite combatants have the least military tools, equipment and technology."

The air force General said that the aforementioned proves the level of efficiency and the determining role of skillful man power on the battleground.


http://www.farsnews.com/English/newstext.php?nn=8505140575

[Tbagger]

Atleast the IRIAF still has high moral despite the fact their AF is obsolete.

[Soroush]

Atleast the IRIAF still has high moral despite the fact their AF is obsolete.

it is not obslete, we have upgraded every single jet in our fleet. Ballistic Missiles will be used the most if at any case we saw a conflict against Israel.

Note: he said, "we are now fully prepared to defend the country's borders."

[Tbagger]

it is not obslete, we have upgraded every single jet in our fleet. Ballistic Missiles will be used the most if at any case we saw a conflict against Israel.

Did the IRIAF refurbish old airframes as well?

[Soroush]

Did the IRIAF refurbish old airframes as well?

we have done it to both our F-4's and F-14's. The rest of our MiG-29's got upgraded under the Tor-M1 deal (Russian style of selling arms deals) and Saegeh-80 can be quit useful as I have talked to you about it in the "Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force" board. J-85/J-79 both were reverse engineered too...

http://www.5053phantoms.com/photos/albums/userpics/normal_IRIAF%20F-4E%20under%20refurbishment%2001%20by%20H%5B1%5D.Ghaedi.jpg
http://www.5053phantoms.com/photos/albums/userpics/normal_IRIAF%20F-4E%20under%20refurbishment%2002%20H%5B1%5D.Ghaedi.jpg

[PruneJuice]

Defend Country ?? LOL

With What ?

[Soroush]

Defend Country ?? LOL

With What ?

with army..idiot.

[PruneJuice]

Dude, please no name calling.

My point is, defend country with antiquated equipement and poorly trained personel. ???

Iran needs to wake up and start being a team player in the world. The world says do not develop nuclear technology so you don't.

BTW Israel is using their pinky fingers and still causing alot of damage. It's wrong but so was the kidnapping of the soldiers.

Peace is the only True Defence. :)

with army..idiot.

[Soroush]

Dude, please no name calling.

My point is, defend country with antiquated equipement and poorly trained personel. ???

Iran needs to wake up and start being a team player in the world. The world says do not develop nuclear technology so you don't.

BTW Israel is using their pinky fingers and still causing alot of damage. It's wrong but so was the kidnapping of the soldiers.

Peace is the only True Defence. :)

what are you so offended?, you should be proud to be an idiot from your standards. Iran has moved up in moderanisation and self-sufficiently. Just to let you know:

Egypt, Saudi-Arabia, Vietnam, Iraq, Kuwait, Sudan, Malaysia, Turkey, Libya, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, Syria, Indonesia, Oman, Yemen, Palestine, lebanon, Venezuela, and many more support Iran's nuclear program. This is more than what US, France, Germany, UK has to offer. Either post about the topic or don't at all because you are not needed here.

[PruneJuice]

That's Cute. Let me ask you a question. Can Iran withstand the United States or an Israeli Attack ?

Answer truthfully.

When your leader makes such commets towards Israel over and over again, it's nothing but a provocation. When your leader keeps ignoring the international community over and over again, its nothing but a provication. One day they will get pissed off beyond belief then you will see what I mean about having antiquated equipment and poorly trained personel.

I am not trying to offend you or your people, just stating the facts. Don't you think Irans oil money should be spent more wisely ? No one wants to invade Iran, if they would just stop supporting terror and stop making such outrageous threats.


As far as defending your country against a superior foe (a true invasion and not what Israel is doing right now), everyone knows it's not possible and it will be the civilians and your millitary personel who will suffer. My point is that the suffering is not neccessary, just listen to the warnings and act accordinly in the best interest of your people.

I love Iranians, but your leader just needs to grow up. *Kisses Flanker* ;)


what are you so offended?, you should be proud to be an idiot from your standards. Iran has moved up in moderanisation and self-sufficiently. Just to let you know:

Egypt, Saudi-Arabia, Vietnam, Iraq, Kuwait, Sudan, Malaysia, Turkey, Libya, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, Syria, Indonesia, Oman, Yemen, Palestine, lebanon, Venezuela, and many more support iran's nuclear program. This is more than what US, France, Germany, UK has to offer. Either post about the topic or don't at all because you are not needed here.

[Alex]

do you call us,uk and israel the international community?

[PruneJuice]

http://www.un.org/english/

[siamak]

That's Cute. Let me ask you a question. Can Iran withstand the United States or an Israeli Attack ?

Answer truthfully.

When your leader makes such commets towards Israel over and over again, it's nothing but a provocation. When your leader keeps ignoring the international community over and over again, its nothing but a provication. One day they will get pissed off beyond belief then you will see what I mean about having antiquated equipment and poorly trained personel.

I am not trying to offend you or your people, just stating the facts. Don't you think Irans oil money should be spent more wisely ? No one wants to invade Iran, if they would just stop supporting terror and stop making such outrageous threats.


As far as defending your country against a superior foe (a true invasion and not what Israel is doing right now), everyone knows it's not possible and it will be the civilians and your millitary personel who will suffer. My point is that the suffering is not neccessary, just listen to the warnings and act accordinly in the best interest of your people.

I love Iranians, but your leader just needs to grow up. *Kisses Flanker* ;)


Of course Iran can withstand an israeli attack ,that is if US doesn't directly interfere, in fact iran will not only withstand but also strikes back harder. You should read history first before making such comments. Iran once fought with a country backed by United states, France, Germany, United kingdom, Soviet Union, whole the Arab world and .... . Isolated lonely Iran drove Iraqis out of the Iran and would have gone forward till saudi arabia if United states hadn't directly interfered.
Of course I agree completely that Iran doesnt stand a chance against United states but i dont believe United states is willing to invade or even attack Iran though air since the the loss will be much more than the gain.
Oh and don't worry about Ahmadinejad, he is all talk and no action, he is not the one that makes the decisions. He is more a comedian to Iranians than a president.

[PruneJuice]

Of course US will help Israel, where do you think all the weapons come from, even as we speak, more are being sent each day.

And I hope you are right about the leader, but I am afraid his commedic actions and constant BS will ultimetly lead to the people suffering.

I am always against war :)






Of course Iran can withstand an israeli attack ,that is if US doesn't directly interfere, in fact iran will not only withstand but also strikes back harder. You should read history first before making such comments. Iran once fought with a country backed by United states, France, Germany, United kingdom, Soviet Union, whole the Arab world and .... . Isolated lonely Iran drove Iraqis out of the Iran and would have gone forward till saudi arabia if United states hadn't directly interfered.
Of course I agree completely that Iran doesnt stand a chance against United states but i dont believe United states is willing to invade or even attack Iran though air since the the loss will be much more than the gain.
Oh and don't worry about Ahmadinejad, he is all talk and no action, he is not the one that makes the decisions. He is more a comedian to Iranians than a president.

[siamak]

Of course US will help Israel, where do you think all the weapons come from, even as we speak, more are being sent each day.

And I hope you are right about the leader, but I am afraid his commedic actions and constant BS will ultimetly lead to the people suffering.

I am always against war :)

I wasn't talking about Military Armaments, I was talking about US's navy or airforce direct interference.

[PruneJuice]

Ok :confused:



I wasn't talking about Military Armaments, I was talking about US's navy or airforce direct interference.

[siamak]

Ok :confused:

What I am saying is, Iran can beat Israel even with US giving arms to her. I dont think US directly interferes if Israel attacks Iran.

[PruneJuice]

*Sigh*

US will help Israel no matter what. Even as we speak, they are shipping over bunker busters to be used against Hezbollah.



What I am saying is, Iran can beat Israel even with US giving arms to her. I dont think US directly interferes if Israel attacks Iran.

[siamak]

*Sigh*

US will help Israel no matter what. Even as we speak, they are shipping over bunker busters to be used against Hezbollah.

Lets say Israel attacks Iran without any provokation by Iran (and by provokation I mean physical provokation not rhetoric, If I say I want you to die you cant punch me in the face!!). In this case, Israel would be the aggressor and the least US could do is to stay out of it. Wont good people of US wonder why should their government help an aggressor. I dont think they can accept that even the media can't manipulate them in this scenario, specially when the oil prices start to soar exponentially.

[PruneJuice]

You will be amazed how the media can distort the truth and how easily the public will believe what they want. Iran's only option is to move in the path of peace and stop suppliying weapons to groups like Hezbollah and stop making threats to Israel and suggesting it should be wiped out.

I trully hope they choose the path of peace. For everyones childeren.


Lets say Israel attacks Iran without any provokation by Iran (and by provokation I mean physical provokation not rhetoric, If I say I want you to die you cant punch me in the face!!). In this case, Israel would be the aggressor and the least US could do is to stay out of it. Wont good people of US wonder why should their government help an aggressor. I dont think they can accept that even the media can't manipulate them in this scenario, specially when the oil prices start to soar exponentially.

[Alex]

Lets say Israel attacks Iran without any provokation by Iran (and by provokation I mean physical provokation not rhetoric, If I say I want you to die you cant punch me in the face!!). In this case, Israel would be the aggressor and the least US could do is to stay out of it. Wont good people of US wonder why should their government help an aggressor. I dont think they can accept that even the media can't manipulate them in this scenario, specially when the oil prices start to soar exponentially.

isreal is the aggressor in lebanon and still us is helping isreal.

[Night]

Correct. If Iran stubbornly continues on it's current path there will be a major military conflict.

[Shahab-3]

You will be amazed how the media can distort the truth and how easily the public will believe what they want. Iran's only option is to move in the path of peace and stop suppliying weapons to groups like Hezbollah and stop making threats to Israel and suggesting it should be wiped out.

I trully hope they choose the path of peace. For everyones childeren.

Well said. I'm not supporting Israel, but also know that they have not harmed or planned to harm Iran. Iran should mind her own business and attend to many of her domestic issues instead of poking her nose in an Arab/Israeli conflict that won't get resolved at least in my life time!:(

[Shahab-3]

Lets say Israel attacks Iran without any provokation by Iran.... In this case, Israel would be the aggressor and the least US could do is to stay out of it. Wont good people of US wonder why should their government help an aggressor.

Pretty much US & Israel foreign policies are aligned, such that one does not exist without the other.;)

[4X-IL]

Take a good look at Lebanon 30 days ago, and take a look at it now.
You know what happened to it? or lets say, what done such thing to it?

From about dozen Air force bases Israel have in the country, 90% from the attacks, came from a sole one.

from about 500 Jet Fighters Israel may have, about 30 of them are beeing used to the war in Lebanon.

You think Only Hizballah can send missiles? what? I don't get that

Israel can send 10,000 missiles a day on Lebanon, but what will we accomplish? probably nothing but 1M dead civilians, that we really don't want.


This war is Lebanon is nothing, just nothing, and showing almost nothing from the capabillities of the IDF.

[PruneJuice]

Excatly,

Israel is only using their pinky finger during this conflict to limit civilian death.

In either case, I hope the war is over soon.





Take a good look at Lebanon 30 days ago, and take a look at it now.
You know what happened to it? or lets say, what done such thing to it?

From about dozen Air force bases Israel have in the country, 90% from the attacks, came from a sole one.

from about 500 Jet Fighters Israel may have, about 30 of them are beeing used to the war in Lebanon.

You think Only Hizballah can send missiles? what? I don't get that

Israel can send 10,000 missiles a day on Lebanon, but what will we accomplish? probably nothing but 1M dead civilians, that we really don't want.


This war is Lebanon is nothing, just nothing, and showing almost nothing from the capabillities of the IDF.

[Night]

Iran might be able to somewhat defend her skies against the mighty air force of Uganda, but it would be stupid to say they could hold off a US or Israeli air attack. The Israelis may have some problems but America will totally win.

[Jordan]

Everyone needs to stop using Lebanon as their battleground.

[Alex]

Take a good look at Lebanon 30 days ago, and take a look at it now.
You know what happened to it? or lets say, what done such thing to it?

From about dozen Air force bases Israel have in the country, 90% from the attacks, came from a sole one.

from about 500 Jet Fighters Israel may have, about 30 of them are beeing used to the war in Lebanon.

You think Only Hizballah can send missiles? what? I don't get that

Israel can send 10,000 missiles a day on Lebanon, but what will we accomplish? probably nothing but 1M dead civilians, that we really don't want.




This war is Lebanon is nothing, just nothing, and showing almost nothing from the capabillities of the IDF.

what missiles can israel send? and i don't think they got 10 000. i read a article and they only got 2000 something.

[kryp]

u think we gonna send ballistic missile ? on lebanon ? for what ?

we have a lot of rockets (MLRS-strongest rocket in the world, LORA-made by israel , and a lot of rockets, u can see in www.israeli-weapons.com)
and dont forget the m109 ..

"i read a article and they only got 2000 something."
no one know about our missile, we dont say anything about them.

[Janbaz]

Take a good look at Lebanon 30 days ago, and take a look at it now.
You know what happened to it? or lets say, what done such thing to it?

From about dozen Air force bases Israel have in the country, 90% from the attacks, came from a sole one.

from about 500 Jet Fighters Israel may have, about 30 of them are beeing used to the war in Lebanon.

You think Only Hizballah can send missiles? what? I don't get that

Israel can send 10,000 missiles a day on Lebanon, but what will we accomplish? probably nothing but 1M dead civilians, that we really don't want.


This war is Lebanon is nothing, just nothing, and showing almost nothing from the capabillities of the IDF.

4X-IL This last post that you made on this section of forum, is the most garbage post you have ever made.

Up to 10 days ago, according to IDF general, IDF airforce have made 12000 sorties above Lebonon. How is it possible (do the math) that 30 aircraft perform 12000 sorties?

IDF have over 15000 solidres in Lebenon fighting 2000 Hezbulla militia.

IDF have over 300 tanks and Armored personel carrier involved in Operation against Hezbulla, but Hezbulla have total of 4 tanks that were captured in 2000 defeat of IDF and no Armored personel carriers.

Why don't you admit that IDF were totaly surprized against the ability of Hezbulla. All Arabs people are now thinking Hezbulla way to fight Israel, and maybe, maybe god willing the end of Israel is coming faster than I thought.

[kryp]

1.you don't know anything about wars.
fight against terrorist is harder then fighting against army.
look on USA in iraq- the strongest army in the world is in big problem against terrorists. so don't think hizoballh are amazing soliders or somehting, its just hard when they know their place so good and one terrorist come from the ground with ATM and shot the tank.
its hard to fight when they are in bunker 50 meters under the ground.

[Reticula]

what are you so offended?, you should be proud to be an idiot from your standards.HAHAHAHAHA. I have confidence in Iran. Look at it like this. If HazBollah, a militia) can lay it down on israel without the weapons that a state has, this actually means if Syria can be trusted to fare off against israel that Iran has a chance against the U.S.
Seriously.

[kryp]

sure , iran can win usa , blah blah blah.
israel can win syria in 2 days.

iran can't even send missile to usa. their warships are bad, the airforce can't move more then few kilometers.

[Snauhi]

HAHAHAHAHA. I have confidence in Iran. Look at it like this. If HazBollah, a militia) can lay it down on israel without the weapons that a state has, this actually means if Syria can be trusted to fare off against israel that Iran has a chance against the U.S.
Seriously.

you are stupid if you think like that at all... but i hope that Syria will listen to you and attack...

[Bosnian]

If Hezbollah has 40m deep bunkers, what Syria constructed around Golan for last 20 years? These 220mm rockets comes from Syria, but the difference between Syria and Hezbollah is that Syria can launch them in salvos of 200 of them at once, and maybe 2-3000 of 122mm at once without artillery (2000/40 tubes = 50 weapons). Even Israel cannot take such destruction.

[kryp]

WORNG
israel has MLRS and LORA(made by israel) , probabaly the best rockets in the world. the MLRS is sick.

[Tbagger]

WORNG
israel has MLRS and LORA(made by israel) , probabaly the best rockets in the world. the MLRS is sick.
What are you talking about? the IDF purchased them from the US.

[4X-IL]

What are you talking about? the IDF purchased them from the US.


Some of them are from the US, but the most distructive ones are Israelis.

[Tbagger]

Some of them are from the US, but the most distructive ones are Israelis.
I've only read that the Israelis upgraded the rocket's guidance system.

[masterfx]

china has the best MRLS.....
the WS-2 (400mm rockets, range 350km, packed in 6 rounds, impact range per rocket: 340m radius)
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/mrl/weishi7a.jpg

[Tbagger]

china has the best MRLS.....
the WS-2 (400mm rockets, range 350km, packed in 6 rounds, impact range per rocket: 340m radius)
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/mrl/weishi7a.jpg
I remember seeing very large Chinese artillery rockets that look like ATACMS'. Can you shed some light on it?

[Night]

Looks like a big target aswell. Although it doesn't look too sluggish, it could probably move within a minute of notice.

[masterfx]

I remember seeing very large Chinese artillery rockets that look like ATACMS'. Can you shed some light on it?
u mean those?
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/mrl/wm804a.jpg

anyway i was gona say that israel just warned china not to export those huge rockets with range >200km

[Rufus86]

Iran, against USS Air Force, could use also and above all missiles ground-to-air. Wanting the Iran it could give to problems to the aeronautics American also without to use a single aircraft.

This is the advantage of the defense: the USA, finding itself to the attack, would be exposed with own the hunting. The Iran instead could use the missiles, beyond to the aeronautics.

[masterfx]

wat if the USAF fires air-ground missiles to wipe out iran's missile defense systems before the all out invision?

[Rufus86]

wat if the USAF fires air-ground missiles to wipe out iran's missile defense systems before the all out invision?

The emplacements in order launch surface-to-air missiles can easy be camouflage to you and hidden, moreover there are those man-portable.

The US airplane stealth are a number relatively reduced and do not use them all (some must remain in native land).

[Night]

The thing you don't understand Rufus, is that you may camoflauge the site itself, but the RADAR emissions can not be hidden without shutting down the radar site completely.

HARMs (High Anti Radiation Missiles) can lock on to RADAR emissions and whipe them out.

Furthermore, we can use JSOW's and take out Iranian defenses and air fields without even entering Iranian airspace.

[VIVA IRAN]

That's Cute. Let me ask you a question. Can Iran withstand the United States or an Israeli Attack ?

Answer truthfully.

When your leader makes such commets towards Israel over and over again, it's nothing but a provocation. When your leader keeps ignoring the international community over and over again, its nothing but a provication. One day they will get pissed off beyond belief then you will see what I mean about having antiquated equipment and poorly trained personel.

I am not trying to offend you or your people, just stating the facts. Don't you think Irans oil money should be spent more wisely ? No one wants to invade Iran, if they would just stop supporting terror and stop making such outrageous threats.


As far as defending your country against a superior foe (a true invasion and not what Israel is doing right now), everyone knows it's not possible and it will be the civilians and your millitary personel who will suffer. My point is that the suffering is not neccessary, just listen to the warnings and act accordinly in the best interest of your people.

I love Iranians, but your leader just needs to grow up. *Kisses Flanker* ;)


dude! why do you insist on making such a fool out of yourself?
"the world says do not develop nuclear technology"
the world? ohhhhhhhh... you mean the US and the UK? you mean Germany and France? that's the world to you?
who are you and who are them to tell a nation what to do in their country? we can spend all we have on nuclear technology and you know what? its non of your business!
" the world" you are talking about might want lots of things from other nations in the world? should we drop dead if they ask us to?
don't you dare sit there and preach my people about what they should do or dont do in their own country!
one more thing: rest assured we can perfectly defend our country against any enemy.
and if you are so ignorant to think israel just used its pinky finger, i souldn't have responded to your post at the first place!

[tonahtiu]

Defend Country ?? LOL

With What ?

you're really newbie
:roflmao3:

[warmonger]

you none iranian will never understand iranian, us iranian have guts and willing to die for our cause, that is the foundation where our strengh are build on. now we have a big gun in our hands that can defend that idialogy. the big gun is a fantastic air force, well equiped army and huge range of anti tank, plane, ship and submarin arsenals.
you tell me which are force in the world (us,uk,fr or israel) have pesonells that are willing to give their lives for the cause.
your ignorance has blinded you. your armies are over streched fighting a losing battle against gost armies of taliban and iragies malitia.
now think again who is going to atack iran, israelies are so involved in **** stairing in meadle east that they can not offord to thake their eye of playing board.
iran is the supreme power in meadle east, you guys better take notice and listen to the warnings of our people.
dont mess with us, or you will see the consiquences.

[Dylan]

It's apparent that U.S, and U.K have personal that are willing to give their lives. I mean, U.S and U.K troops are still in Afghanistan and Iraq, are they not? Saying that U.S and coalition forces are losing is plain ignorace. Yes almost 3,00 people died during this war but a lot more Taliban and Iraqi militia fighters were killed, plus the Iraqi army. About 3,000 people died in one day on Semptember 11th. 3,000 is not a high number for all these years of fighing. Anyone saying U.S forces are "losing" is just spreading propaganda either because A)militias who want to gain support for fighting Americans, and to scare Americans into wanting their forces out B)Americans who want our troops out. Yeah, I don't want my country's service men dying, but when they joined the armed forces, that is exactly what they signed up for. They are getting paid to do it, they volunteered to the armed forces, no one forced them to join.

[warmonger]

american and british solders have joined army to defend their contry. ask any arm forces if they are truley happy fighting in iraq or afganestan... thats what i mean. the differance in dying by road side bomb and kiling yourself knowingly is a lot.
sep 11, jully 7, masacar in samara and lebenan was a tragedy for all of us, but this war it is not their war and every one of of them wants to go home including yourself.
when you are not wining a war.... you are losing it, what ever way you look at it. afghanis and iraqis are dieing but they bleive they go to heaven, dose coalition frces think the same.
any how i dont know why i got in to this conversation.... just dont mess with iran, we are not afghanis or iraqis, we are persians from a land with a lot of glorious coulture, we have chance to put our self on the map again as the great persia (which truly we are if iran-iraq war wasnt imopssed at us by rest of the world).

[ThePuss]

every one of of them wants to go home
You are correct they do want to go home. They want to go home when they have accomplished the mission that their governments gave them which is the destruction the Taliban in Afghanistan and a peaceful, democratic Iraq.

[Rafale]

You are correct they do want to go home. They want to go home when they have accomplished the mission that their governments gave them which is the destruction the Taliban in Afghanistan and a peaceful, democratic Iraq.

I doubt that Iraq will ever turn democratic with this sectarian violence. The Shi'ites might win when civil war starts and will establish a Shi'ite dominated government.

[Seraphim]

I doubt that Iraq will ever turn democratic with this sectarian violence. The Shi'ites might win when civil war starts and will establish a Shi'ite dominated government.Thanks to clumsy America.

[Night]

Thanks to clumsy America.

Genocidal Saddam was a much better alternative. Atleast there weren't any infidels!

[Janbaz]

BBS (or Bring Back Saddam) have been playing with the minds of Pentagon and UK officials for a long while.

[Capricorn Edge]

you none iranian will never understand iranian, us iranian have guts and willing to die for our cause, that is the foundation where our strengh are build on. now we have a big gun in our hands that can defend that idialogy. the big gun is a fantastic air force, well equiped army and huge range of anti tank, plane, ship and submarin arsenals.
you tell me which are force in the world (us,uk,fr or israel) have pesonells that are willing to give their lives for the cause.
your ignorance has blinded you. your armies are over streched fighting a losing battle against gost armies of taliban and iragies malitia.
now think again who is going to atack iran, israelies are so involved in **** stairing in meadle east that they can not offord to thake their eye of playing board.
iran is the supreme power in meadle east, you guys better take notice and listen to the warnings of our people.
dont mess with us, or you will see the consiquences.

I agree with you. Iran will fight to the bitter end, even if the enemy has death-ray guns and grenade-sized mini-nukes. And Iranians, don't forget, all of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims are behind you. I think all pro-US governments in most Islamic nations will be overthrown by devout Muslims, if Iran were ever to be attacked.

Recently, my nation's Malaysian PM, Badawi, said that the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq had humiliated Muslims all over the globe. If attack Iran, the crisis will not only affect the Middle-East, as in the case with Iraq now, but the entire world will suffer from Iran-US Conflict. I don't know about you Americans, but i'm not going to pay a high fuel price for my car just because that idiotic Bush wants to attack Iran!!!

[panzer1029]

This day we see more CNN are bias. When Iran leader explain to jurnalis about nuke issue, about justice that had been done and many Iran Leader friend die the CNN cut off the news from been heard to america people so no wonder Night never knew what happen and what worth thing had been done by america to the world.

[Night]

I agree with you. Iran will fight to the bitter end, even if the enemy has death-ray guns and grenade-sized mini-nukes. And Iranians, don't forget, all of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims are behind you. I think all pro-US governments in most Islamic nations will be overthrown by devout Muslims, if Iran were ever to be attacked.

Recently, my nation's Malaysian PM, Badawi, said that the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq had humiliated Muslims all over the globe. If attack Iran, the crisis will not only affect the Middle-East, as in the case with Iraq now, but the entire world will suffer from Iran-US Conflict. I don't know about you Americans, but i'm not going to pay a high fuel price for my car just because that idiotic Bush wants to attack Iran!!!

And I'd rather pay $0.50 higher a gallon instead of watching Iran launch Nuclear tipped shahabs, and half of the people in Iran's government are delusional enough to do this

[Seraphim]

BBS (or Bring Back Saddam) have been playing with the minds of Pentagon and UK officials for a long while. Are you being truthful??? I hope so!! That may very well be true. After all he lacks any kind of a military at all today to threaten Kuwait even. I miss the old Hussien. The one who strikes terror throught the Middle East.

[mamali]

is..... needs to stop killing people ,children and give the right to people to live on their own land

[kaiser_tr]

And I'd rather pay $0.50 higher a gallon instead of watching Iran launch Nuclear tipped shahabs, and half of the people in Iran's government are delusional enough to do this

i think iran would never do that...night my friend beleive or not Iran has an imperial tradition.they've exsisted from almost the beginning of the known history.

iran is not a banana republic or dictator's regime...all threats and all blofs that Iran's doing right know is just diplomacy.they're trying to get as much as possible.

who knows maybe in the future usa will reward them greatly for canceling their nuclear programme..(btw i am not iranian)

[mehrzad]

And I'd rather pay $0.50 higher a gallon instead of watching Iran launch Nuclear tipped shahabs, and half of the people in Iran's government are delusional enough to do this

give iran some credit its not america who dosent want anyone but its allies to have nukes. what a bunch of crap the anerican democracy. please dont give that crap like the people dont want war because then they would have protested in their millions.

[javid khan]

And I'd rather pay $0.50 higher a gallon instead of watching Iran launch Nuclear tipped shahabs, and half of the people in Iran's government are delusional enough to do this

it would cost a bit more than 50 cents per gallon

[Shiraz]

i think iran would never do that...night my friend beleive or not Iran has an imperial tradition.they've exsisted from almost the beginning of the known history.

iran is not a banana republic or dictator's regime...all threats and all blofs that Iran's doing right know is just diplomacy.they're trying to get as much as possible.

who knows maybe in the future usa will reward them greatly for canceling their nuclear programme..(btw i am not iranian)

That's what they said about Iraq as well. The ‘invincible’ Saddam had a brutal suicide brigade of hundreds and thousands ready to confront/slaughter the US and sacrifice their lives. We all know what happened in the end. I wouldn't rely too much on the 'glorifying' or the so-called 'imperial' past of Iran. Besides, the likes of Darius are rotting in their graves and certainly paying for their evil deeds. Where is the impregnable king and may he stand up? Alexander did the job back then and the US will do it now. Basically when the US means business they mean real business. They’re (being a superpower) in a luxurious position to jeopardise and risk as much as they want. Iran simply isn't.

[Mr. Ouiji]

Iran is ready.

[perisan_eagle]

Iran is ready.

Ready for what?

The IIRF wouldnt last a hour against the USAF hell i dont think your planes will even take off since the US would likely destroy them before you could say "allah hu akbar"

[Mr. Ouiji]

Don't get jealous of Iran's well-prepared qnd equipped airforce. Iran's Azarakashes will chase those Raptor's away!!!

[Shiraz]

Don't get jealous of Iran's well-prepared qnd equipped airforce. Iran's Azarakashes will chase those Raptor's away!!!

Get real dude.

[Mr. Ouiji]

No, YOU get real.

[Shiraz]

No, YOU get real.

Just forget it dude and get a grip on reality.

[abdou]

will the US even us the raptors if they attack iran?
how can they transport them to the air bases in saudi arabia?

[Seraphim]

will the US even us the raptors if they attack iran?
how can they transport them to the air bases in saudi arabia?
U.S. will not be permitted to use them.

[abdou]

U.S. will not be permitted to use them.

wat do you mean? they can afford to use them?

[Seraphim]

................So you simply aren't familiar with KSA's policies, huh?

[Night]

Doesn't matter, the U.S. doesn't need to use the F-22 to wipe out Iran's air defences.

[blackboard79]

Don't get jealous of Iran's well-prepared qnd equipped airforce. Iran's Azarakashes will chase those Raptor's away!!!

It's a lost cause short of a miracle to defeat a US airforce. Iran is just wasting money and time. The best thing a nation can do is build their own technology.

Nothing wrong with Iran trying. You cant tell your airforce that they are doomed. You have to keep the moral high.

Quite frankly a country like the US just has to much money for a most of the world to try to compete.

[REZA KHAN]

you must be a ****ing j... THE days of the super powers are long gone u dum **** what happened to your jew friends they got their *** kicked why the **** do you think IDF agreed to a cease fire so quickly 2500 against 30000 rats . who trained the hezballah? where was thier equipment made? why do you think uk/us happened attacked us because they know we will make them pay. Iraq is where we are getting revenge the score is not even yet for US 8 year war on the land of the real brave my beloved IRAN

[TeamAmerica]

you must be a ****ing j... THE days of the super powers are long gone u dum **** what happened to your jew friends they got their *** kicked why the **** do you think IDF agreed to a cease fire so quickly 2500 against 30000 rats . who trained the hezballah? where was thier equipment made? why do you think uk/us happened attacked us because they know we will make them pay. Iraq is where we are getting revenge the score is not even yet for US 8 year war on the land of the real brave my beloved IRAN

I used to think the solar system was a big place until I saw your ego.

However you are right. Hezbollah fighters are what one should look at if that person wishes to see what the Iranian troops fight like. The IDF agreed to a cease fire as to avoid being stuck in another war for another 20 years not because of mounting losses. And the US did not wage war on Iran... Iraq did we just supported Saddam Insane. Iran is supplying the Shia insurgent groups with weapons in the hopes that it will one day fall into orbit with it. And seeing as how Iran supports terrorism I see the days of the islamic republic being numbered.

/TeamAmerica

[blackboard79]

you must be a ****ing j... THE days of the super powers are long gone u dum **** what happened to your jew friends they got their *** kicked why the **** do you think IDF agreed to a cease fire so quickly 2500 against 30000 rats . who trained the hezballah? where was thier equipment made? why do you think uk/us happened attacked us because they know we will make them pay. Iraq is where we are getting revenge the score is not even yet for US 8 year war on the land of the real brave my beloved IRAN

You have no ideal what you are talking about. I guess I shouldn’t expect much since you clearly are responding like a 5 year old. First, you have no clue about warfare. I can understand your hopes and dreams though.

All I have to say is time is running out. Just like with your tone and rhetoric countries like the US are starting to get fed up. Just like with the pope apologizing, or Israel dropping leaflet days maybe numbered. Israel bombed Lebanon at will. But they were still nice.

Yes Israel did lose fighting a political war just Like the US troop is stuck in Iraq. Nothing is getting done because they are fighting a political war.

It may take a huge terrorist attack against Israel and the US to finally see them fight a true war. The US could get rid of all its nukes and its air force still has the total fire power to level every structure and everything that moves in Iran.

Would the US do this? Short of a huge terrorist attack no. But with your bring it on attitude you truly haven’t noticed your “so called” enemy is civilized enough not to take you off the map.


How are you getting revenge in Iraq? When I look at the news mostly Iraqi civilian are dying. Is that your group over their killing all those civilians? Tell them I though your enemy was US troops. Besides, what is your branch of service you are serving in?

[Xerxes]

Noam chomsky, the linguastic (spell) expert said one of the most common cause for conflict is miscommuniation and lack of understanding between people of different backgrounds.

This is very plain to me whenever i come to this board. People of different background having their judgment influenced by their sense of nationalism or their fetish love for hightech wartechnology. If only people would come down their ivory tower and start to read book .... and then more books on 6,000 years of warefare of human history. Some of you just talk about pure raw military prowess versus other people who are taking into account the geo-political effect. at the end you are both right and both wrong ....

[Xerxes]

And seeing as how Iran supports terrorism I see the days of the islamic republic being numbered.

/TeamAmerica

pure BS, be fair in yr judgment. US has done the same for the last 50 years.
why am i even bother typing this ....

[Mr. Ouiji]

Iran has the advantage in this fight and it will just be another loss for the United States. Plain and Simple.

[blackboard79]

Iran has the advantage in this fight and it will just be another loss for the United States. Plain and Simple.

AT what cost for Iran? Look at Iraq, choas everywhere. Until you start effecting US citizens in a war its truly not a victory when the US leaves countries torn apart.

[Mr. Ouiji]

Dude. Your question isn't clear but you are making a bogus mistake by comparing Iran to Iraq when Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions. The United States didn't win the Bay Of Pigs invasion that Cuba won, Korean War and was pushed to the 33rd Parallel, They didn't win Vietnam and in Desert Storm Iraq was too well defended which is why his forces were bombed AFTER the ceasefire. My point is the willing, competent courageous nations have always defeated the United States and the United States is a monster in the minds of the weak. As far as Iran fighting the United States, Iran has homeland advantage as well asnational stregths, the United States has an airforce of great number which is their most feared thing. Other than this no one really fears the United States. Iran has equipment, planning and great retaliatory strengths. Israel had a multi-faceted military and lost 2 wars against the HazBollah fighters. Fidel Castro had a 1,000 man army and defeated a 10,000 man army that was equipped with tanks and all kinds of gadgets. I feel that the United States will pull an Israeli move against Iran. Israel KNEW well and good it had no chance in a confrontation against HazBollah and that based on casualties between them HazBollah would look better. Therefore, they kicked up a haystack in Lebanon hoping the mess they made would in Error be seen as a victory. The United States may do the Israeli move themselves if Iran proves to be competent but Iran warned that such a savage and disasterous move would bring about a Pearl harbor type situation in the United States itself. In war against the United States, Iran could actually win the 1st week of war and attempt to prevent U.S. forces from regaining strength. Or the United States could cause limited damage and retreat on a win of success. Depending on Iran's airdefence effectiveness as well as offensive capabilities, The United States could find itself in trouble from an air campaign. But of course, the United States is strong and cruise missile attacks from destroyers and submarines are a big threat. But if Syria and Iran coordinate things well Iran can seal the United States fate very quick. Thing is will Syria pull through? Other than that, Iran is ready.:huh2:

[blackboard79]

Dude. Your question isn't clear but you are making a bogus mistake by comparing Iran to Iraq when Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions. The United States didn't win the Bay Of Pigs invasion that Cuba won, Korean War and was pushed to the 33rd Parallel, They didn't win Vietnam and in Desert Storm Iraq was too well defended which is why his forces were bombed AFTER the ceasefire. My point is the willing, competent courageous nations have always defeated the United States and the United States is a monster in the minds of the weak. As far as Iran fighting the United States, Iran has homeland advantage as well asnational stregths, the United States has an airforce of great number which is their most feared thing. Other than this no one really fears the United States. Iran has equipment, planning and great retaliatory strengths. Israel had a multi-faceted military and lost 2 wars against the HazBollah fighters. Fidel Castro had a 1,000 man army and defeated a 10,000 man army that was equipped with tanks and all kinds of gadgets. I feel that the United States will pull an Israeli move against Iran. Israel KNEW well and good it had no chance in a confrontation against HazBollah and that based on casualties between them HazBollah would look better. Therefore, they kicked up a haystack in Lebanon hoping the mess they made would in Error be seen as a victory. The United States may do the Israeli move themselves if Iran proves to be competent but Iran warned that such a savage and disasterous move would bring about a Pearl harbor type situation in the United States itself. In war against the United States, Iran could actually win the 1st week of war and attempt to prevent U.S. forces from regaining strength. Or the United States could cause limited damage and retreat on a win of success. Depending on Iran's airdefence effectiveness as well as offensive capabilities, The United States could find itself in trouble from an air campaign. But of course, the United States is strong and cruise missile attacks from destroyers and submarines are a big threat. But if Syria and Iran coordinate things well Iran can seal the United States fate very quick. Thing is will Syria pull through? Other than that, Iran is ready.:huh2:



Its funny how in a war Iran can use its full abilities but the US just has to hold back. Technically if the US lobbed a couple of nukes the war would be over.


My point is fighting a political war, sure Iran has a chance.
Why? cause anyone can choose to interpret victory how ever they see fit knowing the US won't
use its full capability

If Iran pissed the US off enough by lets say killing alot of troops etc the US could destroy Iran.

[rotop]

Man, the US will thoroughly own Iran. Stop the childish ********.

[Xerxes]

Its funny how in a war Iran can use its full abilities but the US just has to hold back. Technically if the US lobbed a couple of nukes the war would be over.


My point is fighting a political war, sure Iran has a chance.
Why? cause anyone can choose to interpret victory how ever they see fit knowing the US won't
use its full capability

If Iran pissed the US off enough by lets say killing alot of troops etc the US could destroy Iran.


no offense to others here (both sides) .. but i think you (blackboard) are the only person who has the ability to make sense with your comments

[rabs]

Dude. Your question isn't clear but you are making a bogus mistake by comparing Iran to Iraq when Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions. The United States didn't win the Bay Of Pigs invasion that Cuba won, Korean War and was pushed to the 33rd Parallel, They didn't win Vietnam and in Desert Storm Iraq was too well defended which is why his forces were bombed AFTER the ceasefire.

Um the bay of pigs didnt work because kennedy was a pussy, not because a lack of american military power. Some poorly armed guriella units landed thinking they had the might of US power behind them. We lied to them we left them there to die.

Actually the Korean war was much more of a stalemate. The chinese pushed us back way past the 33rd parllel the US was on the offensive when the war ended. We had already pushed back the chinese back towards the 33rd.

Vietnam we won militarily, we won the feild in almost every battle.

Desert storm anyone with half a brain can tell that was a gigantic american victory. The 10th largest army in the world in shatters in a hundred hours.

Our giant, inflated, unneccsarily high military budget does have its bennefits.

[mehrzad]

I used to think the solar system was a big place until I saw your ego.

However you are right. Hezbollah fighters are what one should look at if that person wishes to see what the Iranian troops fight like. The IDF agreed to a cease fire as to avoid being stuck in another war for another 20 years not because of mounting losses. And the US did not wage war on Iran... Iraq did we just supported Saddam Insane. Iran is supplying the Shia insurgent groups with weapons in the hopes that it will one day fall into orbit with it. And seeing as how Iran supports terrorism I see the days of the islamic republic being numbered.

/TeamAmerica

i agree with you man its true whether you like it or not the regimes days are coming to an end and if that means thousands dead and that the u.s will attack them so be it because the coward mullahs brought it on.

[alopes]

From - BlackBoard79 My point is fighting a political war, sure Iran has a chance.
Why? cause anyone can choose to interpret victory how ever they see fit knowing the US won't
use its full capability

If Iran pissed the US off enough by lets say killing alot of troops etc the US could destroy Iran.

BlackBoard i take your quotes out of context but anyway......

Your words imply that Iran will have total loses if it even defend themselves and that Iran already knows.
Since Iran knows that USA can destroy anycountry in the world if it wish so.
So the question is not if USA can destroy Iran because that we already know.
USA Bush already said they want Iran without nuclear program.
Iran already said they will have a nuclear program.

Lets suppose that, for tryng to avert a USA destructive reaction from a Iran counterattack from an initial preventive USA attack, that Iran don´t react to inital USA attack and just go out of NPT and in fact make a black program to make the bomb.
So as USA will not accept Iran nuclear weapons, USA will have to make the Regime Change in order to stop Iran black program.
To make regime change USA will have to destroy Iran as USA destroyed Iraq.
So the result is the same.
If Iran react to the USA initial attacks on the nuclear program or not react the ending will be USA destroyng Iran.
Since Iran can preview these sequence of events and since Iran will not surrender without a fight, Iran will in fact react to any attack as if it was a total regime change attack.

The very argument of USA using nuclear bombs against a country that don´t have nuclear bombs just because of some soldiers deaths make the USA lose the alleged morality that it wants show the world and lose the principle it uses of wanting to stop "mad people with dangerous weapons that make genocide in other countries", for attacking Iran.

The question is how much damage can be done by Iran against USA since the other way we already know.
And by that, what damage USA is willing to accept in order to make regime change in Iran.
Lets see what problems USA can have by that fight.
- USA will have a long guerilla war in middle east since Iran will try very much to spread guerilla in the Region.
- Iraq could turn to a bad way.-
- Oil could stop flowing from the persian gulf.
- If a protracted war goes on for many years USA will spent a lot of resources that could be not used in case of a problem in Taiwan question.
- The lose of USA lives beyond the loses that it already has in Iraq.
- Iran could bombard oil instalations in Iraq, Kuwait and Saud Arabia to make a huge mess in world oil capacity.
The question is if USA is willing to take the chances with that probably loses since it appears that Iran already maded its choice.

[blackboard79]

Dude. Your question isn't clear but you are making a bogus mistake by comparing Iran to Iraq when Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions. The United States didn't win the Bay Of Pigs invasion that Cuba won, Korean War and was pushed to the 33rd Parallel, They didn't win Vietnam and in Desert Storm Iraq was too well defended which is why his forces were bombed AFTER the ceasefire. My point is the willing, competent courageous nations have always defeated the United States and the United States is a monster in the minds of the weak. As far as Iran fighting the United States, Iran has homeland advantage as well asnational stregths, the United States has an airforce of great number which is their most feared thing. Other than this no one really fears the United States. Iran has equipment, planning and great retaliatory strengths. Israel had a multi-faceted military and lost 2 wars against the HazBollah fighters. Fidel Castro had a 1,000 man army and defeated a 10,000 man army that was equipped with tanks and all kinds of gadgets. I feel that the United States will pull an Israeli move against Iran. Israel KNEW well and good it had no chance in a confrontation against HazBollah and that based on casualties between them HazBollah would look better. Therefore, they kicked up a haystack in Lebanon hoping the mess they made would in Error be seen as a victory. The United States may do the Israeli move themselves if Iran proves to be competent but Iran warned that such a savage and disasterous move would bring about a Pearl harbor type situation in the United States itself. In war against the United States, Iran could actually win the 1st week of war and attempt to prevent U.S. forces from regaining strength. Or the United States could cause limited damage and retreat on a win of success. Depending on Iran's airdefence effectiveness as well as offensive capabilities, The United States could find itself in trouble from an air campaign. But of course, the United States is strong and cruise missile attacks from destroyers and submarines are a big threat. But if Syria and Iran coordinate things well Iran can seal the United States fate very quick. Thing is will Syria pull through? Other than that, Iran is ready.:huh2:

You must remember when the US loses a war or small battle 99 percent of the times its because of politics. It has nothing to do with the military capabilities.

Just look at Iraq. 130,000 troops. About 125,000 of them are just over their for political show. Basically they are doing nothing but downloading music, Spending their combat pay at the PX or shooting emails back home to suzy.


I can bet my paycheck the Marine Corp alone could secure them cities in Iraq if they was given a green light. It would be some dark days ahead but they would get the job done.

If Iran and syria starts coordinating like you say.......... than just like with world war 2 you might really see a fighting force unleash by the chains of congress. That would be one ugly day.

[alopes]

Just look at Iraq. 130,000 troops. About 125,000 of them are just over their for political show. Basically they are doing nothing but downloading music, Spending their combat pay at the PX or shooting emails back home to suzy
Blackboard, excuse me, but i don´t see USA goverment using these optimistcs words and i don´t see USA media talking that optimist about Iraq situation.
USA have 2812 USA soldiers deaths in Iraq more 146 USA contractors deats more some 1000 maimed soldiers. To that it adds 343 USA deaths in Afghanistan and other places.
That is a total 3301 USA deaths in the war on terror.
337 Billion dollars spended until now and growing costs.
Iraq is much more close to desintegration than to a "democratic" ally for USA.
Bush said that it will not go out of Iraq without a victory.
Iraq is a nightmare problem for Bush since it would like to have an ally against Iran instead of a war that hinder its capacity to project power in the region.
I don´t see how this could be good and how USA soldiers could be enjoing the Iraq mission.

[TeamAmerica]

Dude. Your question isn't clear but you are making a bogus mistake by comparing Iran to Iraq when Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions. The United States didn't win the Bay Of Pigs invasion that Cuba won, Korean War and was pushed to the 33rd Parallel, They didn't win Vietnam and in Desert Storm Iraq was too well defended which is why his forces were bombed AFTER the ceasefire.The Bay of Pigs was not even a war it was a US supported military operation. We could have destroyed Cuba so easy at any time if we had really wanted to. The Korean War was a draw and only because the heads of the UN did not allow us to advance North or bomb Manchuria. Oh, ya - it is the 38th Parallel not the 33th so get your facts straight before you make comments such as this. We suffered no battlefield defeat in Vietnam the defeat was 100% political. And we won the Gulf War by a land slide so you have no right to even bash are proformance there My point is the willing, competent courageous nations have always defeated the United States and the United States is a monster in the minds of the weak.Really? Germany and Japan had all all of the traits you listed in WWII and we defeated them. The Native Americans fought very hard and well and we defeated them. The British were very powerful and mighty and we defeated them in our revolution. The CSA was very hardcore and skillful and was defeated by the US. As far as Iran fighting the United States, Iran has homeland advantage as well asnational stregths, the United States has an airforce of great number which is their most feared thing. Other than this no one really fears the United States. I would say about anyone who has two brain cells that are in anyway useful fears the USA. Iran has equipment, planning and great retaliatory strengths. Israel had a multi-faceted military and lost 2 wars against the HazBollah fighters. Israel may have lost the first war but the second was a victory for Israel. Hezbollah was being pushed back into Lebanon and suffering higher losses when they were the defender. Fidel Castro had a 1,000 man army and defeated a 10,000 man army that was equipped with tanks and all kinds of gadgets.True. But the question is... Could Iran do the same? I feel that the United States will pull an Israeli move against Iran. Israel KNEW well and good it had no chance in a confrontation against HazBollah and that based on casualties between them HazBollah would look better. Therefore, they kicked up a haystack in Lebanon hoping the mess they made would in Error be seen as a victory. Although Hezbollah proved tougher than I ever dreamed it was being pushed back and the rocket attacks were ending as they were destroyed. I would say Israel was winning when the fighting stopped because they were the ones on the offensive. The United States may do the Israeli move themselves if Iran proves to be competent but Iran warned that such a savage and disasterous move would bring about a Pearl harbor type situation in the United States itself.Iran is competent but it will not win against the United States of America. We will push on until we do win and that will take a few weeks and a few thousand losses but we will do it. In war against the United States, Iran could actually win the 1st week of war and attempt to prevent U.S. forces from regaining strength.Iran most likely will not cause enough losses to halt the invasion for a good amount of time. You might be able to delay us by a day or two but that is probably about it. We have a massive air force that will bomb the hell outta Iran and keep them from ever recovering their losses. Or the United States could cause limited damage and retreat on a win of success. Depending on Iran's airdefence effectiveness as well as offensive capabilities, The United States could find itself in trouble from an air campaign. You might have a good number of SAM's but that is where SOCOM comes in. We have a large number of SOF personal which we could deploy to deal with such threats. They have proven themselves very effective in SCUD hunting and I am sure SAM hunting will be little defferent. But of course, the United States is strong and cruise missile attacks from destroyers and submarines are a big threat. But if Syria and Iran coordinate things well Iran can seal the United States fate very quick.[b]And how in gods name could Syria help Iran? The Syrian Army is even less effective than Saddam's. A better bet would be Hezbollah which could be sent into to Iraq to cause havoc. Thing is will Syria pull through? Other than that, Iran is ready.:huh2: [b]I doubt Syria will do anything to help Iran... Again a better bet would be Hezbollah.

/TeamAmerica

[Mr. Ouiji]

Its funny how in a war Iran can use its full abilities but the US just has to hold back. You're beginning to sound as numb as Night now. They would be the initiator, meaning a weak offense would drag-them-down. But I'm not going to exchange scenarios and hypothesis with you.


If Iran pissed the US off enough by lets say killing alot of troops etc the US could destroy Iran. The United SDtates would cease to exist in one piece if they start playing with a tougher card but that isn't the point.You type as if your understanding is limited. My point was that the U.S. has faced defeat ATLEAST 5 times and has clear vulnerableness. Point is, loud and clear, that Iran has it's merits, strengths and reasons to win against the United States. Everything else is irrelavent and pointless.

[Night]

You're beginning to sound as numb as Night now. They would be the initiator, meaning a weak offense would drag-them-down. But I'm not going to exchange scenarios and hypothesis with you.


The United SDtates would cease to exist in one piece if they start playing with a tougher card but that isn't the point.You type as if your understanding is limited. My point was that the U.S. has faced defeat ATLEAST 5 times and has clear vulnerableness. Point is, loud and clear, that Iran has it's merits, strengths and reasons to win against the United States. Everything else is irrelavent and pointless.
Who knows, maybe Iran's SU-30's will save them from the great satan! :roflmao3:

Iran's old F-14's and MiG-29's wont save them from the power of the USAF.

[abdou]

................So you simply aren't familiar with KSA's policies, huh?

if ur saying that the saudis are not willing to let americans, to us the bases to attack iran then i get ur point, but the US can find an alternative if they really want to use them right?

[blackboard79]

You're beginning to sound as numb as Night now. They would be the initiator, meaning a weak offense would drag-them-down. But I'm not going to exchange scenarios and hypothesis with you.


The United SDtates would cease to exist in one piece if they start playing with a tougher card but that isn't the point.You type as if your understanding is limited. My point was that the U.S. has faced defeat ATLEAST 5 times and has clear vulnerableness. Point is, loud and clear, that Iran has it's merits, strengths and reasons to win against the United States. Everything else is irrelavent and pointless.

The US doesn’t have a weak offense. You seem to forget the Gulf wars.

The US would Cease to exist if they used tougher cards, please explain? (This should be good)

Like I mentioned many times, any country has the ability to interpret victory how ever they choose. Would having all of your military bases, air force, navy destroyed be a defeat in your eyes? Probably not.

[Mr. Ouiji]

if ur saying that the saudis are not willing to let americans, to us the bases to attack iran then i get ur point, but the US can find an alternative if they really want to use them right?
Well you understand their policies then. The U.S. could use other bases but that's in question. Would they want to suffer disaster for being close to the U.S.?

[asif]

Well you understand their policies then. The U.S. could use other bases but that's in question. Would they want to suffer disaster for being close to the U.S.?


another opinion could be pakistan

[rabs]

another opinion could be pakistan

or Afghanistan or Iraq.

[Mr. Ouiji]

There's a high risk of upheaval in Pakistan. the U.S. couldn't truly feel secure there. Plus there was an attack yesterday that Pakistanian militants fault the U.S. for.
A missile strike that killed close to 80 people at an Islamic school in Pakistan early Monday was launched because of U.S. intelligence reports that senior al-Qaeda figures were hiding there, Pakistani intelligence officials said. The strike generated angry protests by religious and tribal leaders, who accused the government of doing Washington's bidding at the cost of Pakistani lives
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/30/AR2006103000176.html?nav=rss_nation/special
See clearly what I mean HERE.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/31/pakistan.attack.reut/index.html?section=cnn_latest
KHAR, Pakistan (Reuters) -- More than 15,000 armed Pakistani tribesmen protested on Tuesday over a Pakistan Army helicopter attack on an al-Qaeda-linked religious school that killed around 80 suspected militants.

Chants of "Down with America" and "Down with Musharraf" rang out as the tribesmen gathered in Khar, main town in the Bajaur tribal region close to the Afghan border, in anger at the air strike. There is so much anger in pakistan against Musharraf and the numbers are of a threatening amount towards him and the west that neither could really be of any use. That man shows that he will kill his own people to impress D.C. Pervez is the worst Uncle Tom there is. Like you can trust U.S. intelligence reports anyway. For that matter they should have issued arrests and warrants.

[abdou]

or Afghanistan or Iraq.

yes may be iraq, but i think they are more exposed to ballistic missles, right?:suspicious4:

and they might make an air carries varient? :laugh4:

who knows?