Turkish and Iran Armies....

[TURKS]

Turkey:

Active Troops: 1,060,000 (7th)
Combat Aircraft: 750 (4th)
Tanks: 5,000 (4th)
Combat Helicopters: 500 (one of the highest also)
Artillery: 7,800 (4th)
Rocket Launchers: 900 (one of the highest also)
Frigates: 30 (6th)
Submarines: 30 (one of the highest also)
Military tradition: 10 p. (1th)


Iran:

Active Troops: 770,000
Combat Aircraft: 210
Tanks: 1,200
Combat Helicopters: 320
Artillery: 2,300
Rocket Launchers: 800
Frigates: 3
Submarines: 3
Military tradition: 6 p.

[SUT]

LoooooL turks





Turkey:

Active Troops: 1,060,000 (7th)
Combat Aircraft: 750 (4th)
Tanks: 5,000 (4th)
Combat Helicopters: 500 (one of the highest also)
Artillery: 7,800 (4th)
Rocket Launchers: 900 (one of the highest also)
Frigates: 30 (6th)
Submarines: 30 (one of the highest also)
Military tradition: 10 p. (1th)


Iran:

Active Troops: 770,000
Combat Aircraft: 210
Tanks: 1,200
Combat Helicopters: 320
Artillery: 2,300
Rocket Launchers: 800
Frigates: 3
Submarines: 3
Military tradition: 6 p.

[Alex]

source plz

[Amir]

@ TURKS keep dreaming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_active_troops

IRAN'S ACTIVE TROOPS 575,000
Turkey 'S Active troops 514, 850



Iran's RESEREVED troops 495,000
Turkey's Reserved troops 380,000


Iran Paramilitary 12,000,000 :) :eek:
Turkey Paramilitary 148, 700 :D

[TURKS]

???
your link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._active_troops
You edit page ? I know ''edit this page '' in wikipedia http://www.irandefence.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
380,000 :):):) Turkey's population is 72 million and military service is 15 monts

The Turkish Armed forces, with a combined troop strength of 1,043,550 soldiers (Economist Intelligence Unit: Turkey 2005 p.23),


AND LOOK TO THIS
TURKEY 2000,ONLY LOOK 20-24 YEARS MALE
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/idbpyr.pl?cty=TU&yr=2000&maxp=3493792&maxa=80&ymax=250


CLICK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Armed_Forces



IRAN-IRAQ WAR 8YEARS...RESULT =0 :):):)

OOOO WHERE IS THE GREAT IRANIAN ARMY?

[Soroush]

Edited list:

Turkey:

Active Troops: 679,734
Combat Aircraft: 421
Tanks: 3121
Combat Helicopters: 42
Artillery: 862
Rocket Launchers: 238
Frigates: 19
Submarines: 13
Military tradition: 10 p. (1th)

Source: http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-countries-by-number-of-active-troops
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Navy


Iran:

Active Troops: 768,000, Paramilitary: 11 million
Combat Aircraft: 389
Tanks: 2495
Combat Helicopters: 200+ (indegnious cobra, Panha 2091)
Artillery: 2,000
Rocket Launchers: 10,000+
Frigates: 30-40+ (indegnious frigate, Sina-1/alvand)
Submarines: 30-50+ (Ghadir, Ghadeer, Nahang, kilo class,)


http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-countries-by-number-of-active-troops
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-1_Cobra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_Air_Force_aircraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Iranian_army#Main_battle_tanks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_military_industry#Frigates

[Alex]

lol turkey can't make anything. if usa turns their back then turkeys army is screwed.

[TURKS]

Edited list:

Turkey:

Active Troops: 679,734
Combat Aircraft: 421
Tanks: 4,831
Combat Helicopters: 42
Artillery: 862
Rocket Launchers: 238
Frigates: 19
Submarines: 13
Military tradition: 10 p. (1th)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Navy


Iran:

Active Troops: 768,000, Paramilitary: 11 million
Combat Aircraft: 389
Tanks: 2495
Combat Helicopters: 200+ (indegnious cobra, Panha 2091)
Artillery: 2,000
Rocket Launchers: 10,000+
Frigates: 40+ (indegnious frigate, Sina-1/alvand)
Submarines: 30-50+ (Ghadir, Ghadeer, Nahang, kilo class,)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-1_Cobra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_Air_Force_aircraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Iranian_army#Main_battle_tanks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_military_industry#Frigates


:D :D :D

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[Alex]

why do you laugh turks. and flanker does iran have 50+ subs thats very much how did they get so much?

[Soroush]

why do you laugh turks. and flanker does iran have 50+ subs thats very much how did they get so much?

I suggested 30-50, by that number I was totalling all the subs we have made put together. After all..they are mini subs except the kilos.

[Alex]

is the Panha 2091 only a upgraded cobra or is the helo 100% iranian made?

[Soroush]

is the Panha 2091 only a upgraded cobra or is the helo 100% iranian made?

It is Iranian-made cobra with upgrades, you should also know we have the third largest helicopter fleet in the world.

[TURKS]

idiots say:
''Submarines: 13 Combat Helicopters: 42''




The Turkish Submarines force is one of the oldest submarine forces in the world...Turkish Submarine Force was founded in 1886

http://www.turkishnavy.net/submarine/main.htm

http://www.dzkk.tsk.mil.tr/images/Album/Denizaltilar/pic800600/16.jpg


Turkish Air Force
The Turkish Air Force was founded in June 1909, making it one of the oldest combat aviation organizations in the world.

http://www.tuaf.mil.tr/default.asp

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/TRF161.jpg

[Soroush]

TURK I could care less about how old your army is, I added up all the list of submarines and combat helos that are in your service and that's the final result. Don't make up an imaginery list, I know what your intentions are...

[Black_zero]

Turkey is better then iran

[Alex]

Turkey is better then iran

what do you mean? why is turkey better?

[Amir]

Turkey is better then iran



Ofcourse its better

[Alex]

Turkey is better then iran

i hate posts like this when they don't tell why

[Soroush]

i hate posts like this when they don't tell why

you actually think Black_zero is smart enough to do that.

[Black_zero]

Ofcourse its better

l O L
heh
yes you also right ..turkey need some stratgic weapons.
i see that turkey army is better in convention weapons.

[Black_zero]

what do you mean? why is turkey better?
Turkey is better in convention weapons.their weapons system better .
their econmy better in muslim countires.

[Black_zero]

i hate posts like this when they don't tell why


:D :D ..now i tell why

[Soroush]

Turkey is better in convention weapons.their weapons system better .
their econmy better in muslim countires.

what are you talking about, the only thing that can keep Turkey any good at all in conventional warfare would be those Leopards 2A4 and only 298 are bought. Why don't you include Panha-2091?, why not Raad-1/2?. How come you didn't point out Irans arsenal of Ballistic/Cruise missiles. Please tell me how Turkey is better in convetional weapons, provide me facts than opinion.

[Mr.Perfect]

TURKs
post in the right forum,

[TURKS]

ameer ; are you christian ?

[TURKS]

to comunist Flanker
Turkey is not an old comunist country

Major Turkish Defense Acquisition Programs
http://www.ssm.gov.tr/sub02_eng.asp


Turkish Defense Industry Catalog
http://www.ssm.gov.tr/sub03a_eng.asp

http://www.tai.com.tr/


Turkish Defence Companies




AKSA
ALCATEL-TELETAS
ALP HAVACILIK
AREMSAN
ASELSAN A.S. > Company ID
AYESAS A.S.
BMC
FMC-Nurol Savunma Sanayii A.S.
HAVELSAN A.S.
Inter Mühendislik Danismanlik A.S.
KALEKALIP
KAREL
MARCONI
MERCEDES-BENZ TURK
Mikes A.S.
Milsoft A.S.
MNG Savsan
NETAS
Nurol Makina Sanayii A.S.
ONUR Mühendislik
OTOKAR Otobüs Karoseri Sanayi A.S.
SARSILMAZ
SIMKO
Sinyal Sanayii ve Tic. A.S.
STFA
STM Savunma Teknolojileri Muhendislik A.S.
TAI Tusas Aerospace Industries A.S.
TELESIS
Transvaro Elektron Aletleri A.S.
TÜBITAK MAM - Marmara Research Center
TÜBITAK SAGE - Defense Industry Research and Development Institute
Yüksek Teknoloji A.Ş. > Company ID



And click for this companies's web sites
http://www.turkishdefense.net/aad/turkcomp/turkcomp.html

[Soroush]

That's funny because even though Turkey has so much defence companies than Iran you guys still haven't been able to make your own tanks, fighter jets, missiles, attack helicopters, sams, anti-ship missiles etc... why is Turkeys defence products so poor?.

[TURKS]

That's funny because even though Turkey has so much defence companies than Iran you guys still haven't been able to make your own tanks, fighter jets, missiles, attack helicopters, SAMS, etc... why is Turkeys defence products so poor?.

yes ;you are very funny comunist :)

[Alex]

answer the question. it's funny when he don't have a answer he says something like communist. he knows he made a mistake by comparing iran with turkey

[PruneJuice]

:eek:

LOL



yes ;you are very funny comunist :)

[Soroush]

yes ;you are very funny comunist :)

exactly my point, you have prooved to everybody what you really are...

[Kaveh]

oh comon turks .... dont start your propaganda war again like the last time on this forum ....

: \

[PruneJuice]

I got warned because of this post. ??

WTF Grow up kids. :D



:eek:

LOL

[Amir]

ameer ; are you christian ?



No, Im Muslim

[Alex]

what did he say and stop talking turkish

[Arashi]

sanane lan ibne ;
Half of iran know Turkish

It's 1/3 and most of them have abandoned Azari and talk Farsi instead :)

[Alex]

is azeri turkish the same language as turkish?

[TURKS]

No azeri language as spanish

WATCH LIVE IRANIAN AZERI TURK TELEVISIONS

I m watching now

click here gunaz tv (southern azerbaijan TV) http://ww.gunaz.tv

http://www.oyanish.tv/

[Arashi]

is azeri turkish the same language as turkish?

It's a different dialect of Turkish, with some Persian influence. I think they have the "kh"-sound which Turkish does not have. Azari used to be one of the official languages in Ancient Iran, before the Turks forced them to change to Turkish.

[TURKS]

It's a different dialect of Turkish :):):):)

it is not different
%5-%10 different words only...from russian ,farsi

We watch Azeri Televions in Turksat , Azerians watch Turkish Televions in Turksat

[Black_zero]

what are you talking about, the only thing that can keep Turkey any good at all in conventional warfare would be those Leopards 2A4 and only 298 are bought. Why don't you include Panha-2091?, why not Raad-1/2?. How come you didn't point out Irans arsenal of Ballistic/Cruise missiles. Please tell me how Turkey is better in convetional weapons, provide me facts than opinion.


ok ok ..dont become agnry:)
i was see turkey army picture.,,and ...sgive comments now.
can you post iran army pictures ?

[Turk-gucu]

turkey owns the world

[Turk-gucu]

Azeris are our brothers

[Hawk_nr1]

many turks dont know how to behave and are criminal here in Sweden

[Turk-gucu]

^^^^^^^^^^

we are conquering europe :) 5 million turks in west-europe :)

[Hawk_nr1]

^^^^^^^^^^

we are conquering europe :) 5 million turks in west-europe :) yeah, now I know how the rest of the Turks behave

[Turk-gucu]

yeah, now I know how the rest of the Turks behave

you're avatar is the flag of the flaman part of belgium I habit there :) we are the nightmare of belgians :)

[Hayyam]

We have not fought since 1639 (kasr-i shirin). i think we won't fight more 400 years.

[arteshi]

LoooooL turks

Turk, I am a NATO soldier, I can promise you that if Turks had actually that many troops, then your economy would be the same as North Korea's. I know Turks are fierce fighters, they also are the second largest NATO army, But those numbers are way off.
Regards.

[arteshi]

answer the question. it's funny when he don't have a answer he says something like communist. he knows he made a mistake by comparing iran with turkey

Turks understood long ago that to become civilized they had to adopt European style culture and to a degree they have done it. I am not saying they are Europeans, actually most of Europeans hate turks guts and for good reasons, anyway Turkey has a developed defence industry. It is mostly based on licensed items and assembly, so it is not as indegenous as Iran's But due to EuroAmerican tech assistance the Turks have a much better Army and Industry.
Regards.

[Hayyam]

many turks dont know how to behave and are criminal here in Sweden poor, political kurds turn to crimanal turks. ok than? choose one and continue on it.

[Hayyam]

actually most of Europeans hate turks guts and for good reasons

well tell us. what are these good reasons?

[search]

think yu are a european...
you fought Turks(as ottoman)for 624 years.
You kept beaten for 500 years.
You started winning for the last 124 years.
Despite the battles you won against the Ottoman Emp. you couldn t send them back to midasia.
Oh i forgot...last time you fought them you got beaten up again(war of indepence):)

[turk_soldiers]

turkish army one best of world military:rawrrrrr3:

[Kaveh]

Turkey has a good Army and Iranian Army is a good army .....


and were friends .....

[payam]

who said half iranian are turks brother?????? haha
see in iran 50 % are speaking in some kind of turkish:
1 azari people 25% of all population of iran! if u dont read from ur country sources u can give right info about them! also dont read azarbayjan republic books cuase they are not in true(cuase of many political issue i will send u links later)
azari ppl orginall are persian ! that what 1 of american org with DNA reasearch said ! also hitory tell us that their language befor attacking of tuks were some root of pahlavi(persian language) u can see more than 50% words in azari has root of persian : some cities like capital of azarbayjan republic (buko) is persian name too!! but azari government cuase of political issue ( and all pressure on iran) dont want to say that they are iranian orginally and soviet attack iran and made them out of their culture~ azari culture has so may difrences with turks! just see heir music and .... they are all in iranian culture! so who said u are our brothers? u were some wild miniory attacked us some hunderd years ago! they are alot of american/israeli help to turki to make it influance more and more by saying we are ur brother but be sure for hunderds years iranian kings were turk but they hated otmani turks;) like shah abbas and shah esmail! also they didnt let iranian ppl totalk with turki! they improved farsi in country! we have some azari in history they were so active in parsi poems and... cuase they are orginally iranian and like their country! also azarbayjan republic were not aarbayjan from first! it name was ARAN (some persian name) and why its azarbayjan now that what u must read from history yo kow more from azari! azari ppl in azarbayjan republic are out of their main culture! cuase of russian pressure and actions in past!
did u know azari ppl were so active ( more than others) in islamic revolutions?
they were not like u otmani turks that *** attator *** to make islam down from country! attatork were a british servant to attack islam and he did it right in turky cuase otmani turks were not strong in religion! just see what u ppl are now! u are so similar to wild western culture which is exaclly againts islamic rules~ just israeli and american ppl love u! cuase u are **** their asses! iranian were not western servant in history and we are proud of it!! we always fight for islam and thats why all western animals are againts us! also other 25% are some others like : ghashghai /bayat/.... that they have exally iranian culture! and they are not ur brothers!!!!!!!!!
who said iran will loos to turkey? iran **** sadam ! sadam with all world help! more than 30 countrties were behind him! we had 8 years war with world! the only things they didnt do with us was attacking us with atomic bombs!!!!! haha look just this dark world with governmental terrorism super powers!!!!!!! u turks must be proud in supporting fascism regim named israelll!
a **** murderer one like usaaa!! hahaaaaaaa
we iranian 27 years a go did a job that no one else didnt befor! we were the first nation on saying this : DOWN WITH USA! which all ppl in even non-muslim countries saying that now days!
we did a right job to american face ! we are proud of it!
also about turky i think cuase of west technology they have better army!
but they cant use it againts western also and thats why they cant do anything againts what western want! they must be the friend of fascism israel cuase they cant be in their own idea! otmani emp is on history so if u are talking about history tuky were some part of our lands in thousands years! we had most of asia and even some part of europ! so dont talk about history cuase u cant do anything with iranian 7 thousand history
also if **** american and israeli let us u can see we will be the super power in these 20 years;) cuase we are making our technologies our own and that what gives us improving in things! western are not from space! we are improving in technologies and we are not like u turks to tell : we cant cuase we are not europian / american! u event dont want to think of it! u ur own cant believe making even a weapon by ur own ppl! thats what attatork(western servant) did right in ur country! he made ur ppl brains like a poor culture in front of western) !
u can soon see iranain army the super power in the region! also we are in some case from now!but we are not againts turkish ppl! we are making our weapons for some wild regims like usa and some like israeli brothers:worried2:
hey take care :tired1_24: :laugh4: :suspicious4: about my english i dont have time to edit my text to make it true :d so i hope u got it :err2: :3eyes4:

[Haj Gholam]

Turkey may have a slightly better military as a result of being Americas buttboy, but Iran is heavily sanctioned, and we have to make our own tanks and equipment and everything. But the nuclear bomb changes it all

[dogukan]

Yes,Turkey does not built it's own tanks and stuff,because we do not need.
Our Leopard tanks are built by Germany and upgraded in Turkey.Leopard tanks are among the best tanks in the world(others:Merkava,Abrams,Challenger and Leclerc)
The tanks built in Iran are copy of old Soviet stuff.You guys believe in old Soviet stuff but actually they are now obselete.
Do you have T-90,i guess no.
Iraq used the same stuff in 1.gulf war
3200 Iraqi tanks
2800 coalition tanks
result-more than 2500 Iraqi tanks destroyed
10-15 coalition tanks were destroyed
(BTW USA has a very very tough air force which makes tanks obsolete)

Turkish army is large but numbers do not matter,anyway having a large army is ok if you can support it.

Our air force and especially pilot training is also among the best.Turkish pilots are known as succesfull pilots of NATO.

It's true that our allies can put embergo on us but i know that Turkey can built it's own tanks and weapons.We just don't need.

ps:I don't like policies of west either

[dogukan]

who said half iranian are turks brother?????? haha
see in iran 50 % are speaking in some kind of turkish:
1 azari people 25% of all population of iran! if u dont read from ur country sources u can give right info about them! also dont read azarbayjan republic books cuase they are not in true(cuase of many political issue i will send u links later)
azari ppl orginall are persian ! that what 1 of american org with DNA reasearch said ! also hitory tell us that their language befor attacking of tuks were some root of pahlavi(persian language) u can see more than 50% words in azari has root of persian : some cities like capital of azarbayjan republic (buko) is persian name too!! but azari government cuase of political issue ( and all pressure on iran) dont want to say that they are iranian orginally and soviet attack iran and made them out of their culture~ azari culture has so may difrences with turks! just see heir music and .... they are all in iranian culture! so who said u are our brothers? u were some wild miniory attacked us some hunderd years ago! they are alot of american/israeli help to turki to make it influance more and more by saying we are ur brother but be sure for hunderds years iranian kings were turk but they hated otmani turks;) like shah abbas and shah esmail! also they didnt let iranian ppl totalk with turki! they improved farsi in country! we have some azari in history they were so active in parsi poems and... cuase they are orginally iranian and like their country! also azarbayjan republic were not aarbayjan from first! it name was ARAN (some persian name) and why its azarbayjan now that what u must read from history yo kow more from azari! azari ppl in azarbayjan republic are out of their main culture! cuase of russian pressure and actions in past!
did u know azari ppl were so active ( more than others) in islamic revolutions?
they were not like u otmani turks that *** attator *** to make islam down from country! attatork were a british servant to attack islam and he did it right in turky cuase otmani turks were not strong in religion! just see what u ppl are now! u are so similar to wild western culture which is exaclly againts islamic rules~ just israeli and american ppl love u! cuase u are **** their asses! iranian were not western servant in history and we are proud of it!! we always fight for islam and thats why all western animals are againts us! also other 25% are some others like : ghashghai /bayat/.... that they have exally iranian culture! and they are not ur brothers!!!!!!!!!
who said iran will loos to turkey? iran **** sadam ! sadam with all world help! more than 30 countrties were behind him! we had 8 years war with world! the only things they didnt do with us was attacking us with atomic bombs!!!!! haha look just this dark world with governmental terrorism super powers!!!!!!! u turks must be proud in supporting fascism regim named israelll!
a **** murderer one like usaaa!! hahaaaaaaa
we iranian 27 years a go did a job that no one else didnt befor! we were the first nation on saying this : DOWN WITH USA! which all ppl in even non-muslim countries saying that now days!
we did a right job to american face ! we are proud of it!
also about turky i think cuase of west technology they have better army!
but they cant use it againts western also and thats why they cant do anything againts what western want! they must be the friend of fascism israel cuase they cant be in their own idea! otmani emp is on history so if u are talking about history tuky were some part of our lands in thousands years! we had most of asia and even some part of europ! so dont talk about history cuase u cant do anything with iranian 7 thousand history
also if **** american and israeli let us u can see we will be the super power in these 20 years;) cuase we are making our technologies our own and that what gives us improving in things! western are not from space! we are improving in technologies and we are not like u turks to tell : we cant cuase we are not europian / american! u event dont want to think of it! u ur own cant believe making even a weapon by ur own ppl! thats what attatork(western servant) did right in ur country! he made ur ppl brains like a poor culture in front of western) !
u can soon see iranain army the super power in the region! also we are in some case from now!but we are not againts turkish ppl! we are making our weapons for some wild regims like usa and some like israeli brothers:worried2:
hey take care :tired1_24: :laugh4: :suspicious4: about my english i dont have time to edit my text to make it true :d so i hope u got it :err2: :3eyes4:

Do you learn these from local butchers??
Atatürk was not aganist western life,but aganist west.WEstern life is very good you know,they don't kill people because of their beliefs.Atatürk was also the guy who BEAT westerners and able to built a modern country.
He wanted Turkey to be like western,NOT WESTERN.He wanted us to be more modern than western civilazations.He made dollar=Turkish lira but the politicians after him f**ked the country

[payam]

see my brother im not saying all things in western life is bad
but every country must have it own culture with own thinking which history made for that ppl!also islam has no poblem with improving!
also from ur text i got that u know east culture a murderer one huh?
islam said us kill ppl???and western culture learned u turkish ppl not do that?????offfff what are uuuuuuuu! just learn some about islam!
also hejab is the most important things for an islamic country safty!
attaturk were againts all islamic rules (as reaza shah in iran too)
well all know why british creat attaturk and reaza shah reagims !
their goals was attacking islam!why? cuase islam is the only way to help muslims improve and not be the servant of western
islam says to us: u can do what ever u want ur own
but u ppl think just western are human ! just western can have good idea! just western culture is modern! offff we iranian call it: wild western!why?
cuase some of their jobs are like pre historical humans!
wild western not for all their things!just their is a few things we can accept with them! u can see how weak they are in everything in culture!
reza shah couldnt do anything but attaturk did what british wanted!thats what ur gov dont like to show u!
i saw 1 program in BBC that they were in turky! the only things turkish government were trying to say was this : islam orginally is bad but we make it true in democracy way!!!!attacking the face of islammm
this can be 1 of worst thing turkish gov did!
they also tried to say taleban is same with islamic republic of iran!!!!! what the shameeeeeeeeeeeeee

[dogukan]

see my brother im not saying all things in western life is bad
but every country must have it own culture with own thinking which history made for that ppl!also islam has no poblem with improving!
also from ur text i got that u know east culture a murderer one huh?
islam said us kill ppl???and western culture learned u turkish ppl not do that?????offfff what are uuuuuuuu! just learn some about islam!
also hejab is the most important things for an islamic country safty!
attaturk were againts all islamic rules (as reaza shah in iran too)
well all know why british creat attaturk and reaza shah reagims !
their goals was attacking islam!why? cuase islam is the only way to help muslims improve and not be the servant of western
islam says to us: u can do what ever u want ur own
but u ppl think just western are human ! just western can have good idea! just western culture is modern! offff we iranian call it: wild western!why?
cuase some of their jobs are like pre historical humans!
wild western not for all their things!just their is a few things we can accept with them! u can see how weak they are in everything in culture!
reza shah couldnt do anything but attaturk did what british wanted!thats what ur gov dont like to show u!
i saw 1 program in BBC that they were in turky! the only things turkish government were trying to say was this : islam orginally is bad but we make it true in democracy way!!!!attacking the face of islammm
this can be 1 of worst thing turkish gov did!
they also tried to say taleban is same with islamic republic of iran!!!!! what the shameeeeeeeeeeeeee

I know Islamic life kk??
Then tell me why women is not equal to men is your country!??!
I though god created all humans as equals.Or is it because of Sharia.I want to live in a better community,people must not be ruled by religion.

[payam]

dogukan Then tell me why women is not equal to men is your country!??!
who learned u these .....??????? im realy sorry for u ppl
thats why im saying attaturk made u some western that dont know anything about islam
u exaclly dont know even small things about islam
who said iran womens are not equal to mens? just beacuse they must have diffrent dresss?
u dont know anyyyyyyyything about my country im sorry about u
we aare not like that arab country ur otmani turk had them
our girl student in university are 70% population
and there is no rule to make them not be equal in society
just come here to see how womens are at all works and jobs
at leat what ever it be is better from ur and western country
ccuase western country wants to show womens like a good stuff !just see this forum(the part female army in wwII and female army..)
see all comments.. all are looking at that girls like some beauty stuff not like an army!not like mensss!
just come here to see that!
1 american reasearchers said to me 1 day that the situation of iran about womens in so many cases is better that others in middle east(include ur country)
ofcource he were western and the only problem that he couldnt got was hijab! and he said me all others are good
about hijab all muslims must know about it but u turkish dont know anything
god said to us no dress enough not like pre historical humans..
also im not saying our society have no problem for womens!but im sure we are in a very better situation! im sure if u come here and just see it can make ur brain a little light
i had so many friend with thier comming thier idea already chenged
now why u had not good info about iran==> the answer is clear ! ur country had been influanced by western and now american and israeli gov are controling ur country in some case they need! i mean cultural and political
that why u dont know anything about iran and islam like an american

[payam]

i think for u ppl dressing sexy and dancing and having some club that ppl go thier and use alcohlic things is the freedom and that time womens are equal with mens
u first go and make kurd equal with turks first!then come and talk to me about human rights like ur BUSH

[dogukan]

Kurds are equal to Turks but they want more.They want to build their own country in our lands.

[snc128]

both countries are faulty in governing.i cant offer a solution.
i want to ask a qustion about weekly marriages in Iran .is it something true???or moral?
also i want to add something about Turkiye,man and woman are not equal in rights.everybody cant go Universities in Turkiye because of turban.

[kaiser_tr]

personally i think iran's defence industry is just propaganda...no offense but you dont produce any useful high tech weapons.

your attack hellos are cobra coppies...and turkey uses ah-1w super cobras,hundreds of skorsky black hawks and eurocopter's cougars.

your tanks are all old soviet coppies.they are just junk as our m-48 and m-60's...they have no chance in todays world of combat.but we procured leopard2 tanks and upgraded some of our m-60' to m-60 Sabra with Israel.

speaking of both airforces,turkey has a certain edge on this...f-16s,f-4 and f-5s vs su-27s and some kind of modified f-5...come on iranians dont be blind.its nothing more than f-5!!!!

and dont need to tell you about our navy.i think iranian navy is no match for turkish navy.

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i personally have respect for iranian ppl..i support you against usa and i dont think that turkey and iran will fight against eachother for a really long time.


btw turkish military industry is really hardworking these days...


here are some projects

1-turkey is developing its own main battle tank

2-developing indigenous corvette ( Milgem)

3-turkey will buy one of rooivalk or mangusta and use its own(%100 turkish made) avionics and computers.

4-procurement of 120 JSF

5-possible procurement of up to 100 Eurofighters






the only military tech that iran is better than turkey is of course missile tech. and turkey started developing rockets and guided missiles with china and pakistan.

btw excuse my english=)

[Shapur 2]

there is no doubt that turkey has access to better equipment and technology. after all, they are an ally of the west.

[REZA KHAN]

I think you really believe the **** **** you have been reading . one of the proven facts is no one has true and accurate info on the number or capabilities of the Iranian armed forces. it does not matter how many tanks or planes turks own they are all outdated crap . turks can not even produce one
f........ screw with relations to manufacturing capabilities of armaments. they
can put up a fight as long as your masters can give you supplies . just look at israel with all the update sh... they could not put down hezbollah. may be you did not hear . who trained and armed the hezballah? whos weapons were
they fighting with? Iranian made baby all the way. IDF got their f....... ***
kicked. killing women and children does not win wars. in the middle east today Iran owns the ground . US knows there is a heavy price to pay if they
attack us and that is the only reason they have not yet. all the UN exercises do not mean sh..... . we fought the all arabs , us and uk FOR 8 years and if anyone wants to debate who won that war just answer me one question . at the end of the war why did it take Iranian armed forces three weeks to pull out of Iraq ? . with regards to your ignorant comments of turks conquering the persian that never f.... happened like I said before do not believe all the stories you were told before you were put to sleep . for hundreds of years we held asia minor so I assure your grandma was f....... by persians and you are lucky because you have noble persian blood in your veins

[javid khan]

This is the problem with the muslims of today, why do we keep arguing and fighting over which muslim country is the strongest, if pakistan-turkey-iran and backed by china was a strong alliance no one would dare to look at middleast, but we are all fight each other. Together we can be stronger probably even stronger than our enemys, but this is the signs of day of judgement, allah forgive and bless all muslims

and reza khan this type of comic attitude will get you now where in life, Turkey is powerful and has proven itself in history during events like WWI Galipoli campagin when the Ottoman Empire retired the combine armys of New Zealand, Australia and the British Empire, ever heard of Anzac day. And it was people of pakistan that helped thier brothers in turkey in fight for independence while these arabs sold themselves for a few cheap coins.

[dogukan]

I think you really believe the **** **** you have been reading . one of the proven facts is no one has true and accurate info on the number or capabilities of the Iranian armed forces. it does not matter how many tanks or planes turks own they are all outdated crap . turks can not even produce one
f........ screw with relations to manufacturing capabilities of armaments. they
can put up a fight as long as your masters can give you supplies . just look at israel with all the update sh... they could not put down hezbollah. may be you did not hear . who trained and armed the hezballah? whos weapons were
they fighting with? Iranian made baby all the way. IDF got their f....... ***
kicked. killing women and children does not win wars. in the middle east today Iran owns the ground . US knows there is a heavy price to pay if they
attack us and that is the only reason they have not yet. all the UN exercises do not mean sh..... . we fought the all arabs , us and uk FOR 8 years and if anyone wants to debate who won that war just answer me one question . at the end of the war why did it take Iranian armed forces three weeks to pull out of Iraq ? . with regards to your ignorant comments of turks conquering the persian that never f.... happened like I said before do not believe all the stories you were told before you were put to sleep . for hundreds of years we held asia minor so I assure your grandma was f....... by persians and you are lucky because you have noble persian blood in your veins

you're just an extreme nationalist.All of you say the same things.

[snc128]

This is the problem with the muslims of today, why do we keep arguing and fighting



And it was people of pakistan that helped thier brothers in turkey in fight for independence while these arabs sold themselves for a few cheap coins.

like u did.Ironic.it didnt suit u.:(

[javid khan]

like u did.Ironic.it didnt suit u.:(

i said the truth, arabs backstab ottoman empire, i never said a lie, it doesnt mean i want to wage war on arabs, but people need to learn from thier mistakes.

[dogukan]

Yeah i never trusted Arabs and they stabbed us in the back during WW1.I'm an ateist but they turned their back to Caliph,their Muslim brothers who were trying to defend them aganist emperialist.They even joined British troops.Cut supply lines of young Turkish soldiers who are far away from their houses.

[Shapur 2]

there is no muslim brother hood. people who think that all muslims should be or could be friends are living in a dream world.

[Pylyp Orlyk]

there is no muslim brother hood. people who think that all muslims should be or could be friends are living in a dream world.

I still think so... Call me a dreamer. :smile1:

[Shapur 2]

I still think so... Call me a dreamer. :smile1:

believe what you want, but everyone knows deep down that there is no umma and never will be.

[Pylyp Orlyk]

believe what you want, but everyone knows deep down that there is no umma and never will be.

I don't know it deep down and most muslims believe in brotherhood. Don't tell me what I beleive deep down, you have no idea.

[kaiser_tr]

I think you really believe the **** **** you have been reading . one of the proven facts is no one has true and accurate info on the number or capabilities of the Iranian armed forces. it does not matter how many tanks or planes turks own they are all outdated crap . turks can not even produce one
f........ screw with relations to manufacturing capabilities of armaments. they
can put up a fight as long as your masters can give you supplies . just look at israel with all the update sh... they could not put down hezbollah. may be you did not hear . who trained and armed the hezballah? whos weapons were
they fighting with? Iranian made baby all the way. IDF got their f....... ***
kicked. killing women and children does not win wars. in the middle east today Iran owns the ground . US knows there is a heavy price to pay if they
attack us and that is the only reason they have not yet. all the UN exercises do not mean sh..... . we fought the all arabs , us and uk FOR 8 years and if anyone wants to debate who won that war just answer me one question . at the end of the war why did it take Iranian armed forces three weeks to pull out of Iraq ? . with regards to your ignorant comments of turks conquering the persian that never f.... happened like I said before do not believe all the stories you were told before you were put to sleep . for hundreds of years we held asia minor so I assure your grandma was f....... by persians and you are lucky because you have noble persian blood in your veins




today turkish army's procurement is %30 indigenous and %70 foreign...it will be %85 indigenous till 2015...

maybe now %30 does not seem high but a few decades ago it was almost %0

[Pylyp Orlyk]

today turkish army's procurement is %30 indigenous and %70 foreign...it will be %85 indigenous till 2015...

maybe now %30 does not seem high but a few decades ago it was almost %0


Turkey is getting ready to set up a T-84 Yatagan plant to produce a 1000 orders of MBTs.

[kaiser_tr]

acually turkey is developing its own mbt..there wont be any procurement or tot

[dogukan]

I don't want to see any T tanks in Turkish army :)
Leopards,Leclercs or their upgraded ones would be cool

[Pylyp Orlyk]

acually turkey is developing its own mbt..there wont be any procurement or tot

Really, thats not what I heard.

Janes Defense

Undersecretariat of Defense Industries authorized the consortium of BMC-Otokar-FNSS to prepare a feasibility report on tank production in Turkey, covering solutions from license building to fully indigenous design. After the report is submitted, the consortium was broken up into two: FNSS+BMC and Otokar. Both parties submitted their own solutions with a foreign industrial partner. Foreign partner will provide technical assitance, technology transfer, license, etc.

KMDB.ru states

Бюро Мозорова Дезигна было отобрано, чтобы помочь в развитии местного проекта резервуара Турции. Контракты оттягиваются, чтобы обеспечить набор инструментов и помощь в настраивании фабрики. Дело будет стоить аппроксиматлай 5 миллиардов Храйвния.


Translated:

Mozorov Design Bureau has been selected to aid in the development of Turkey's indigenous tank project. Contracts are being drawn to provide tooling and assistance in setting up the factory. The deal will be worth approximatly 5 billion (1.2B USD) Hryvnia.

[dogukan]

There is a tank project.Our guys are developing it's own MBT but it'll be a copy of French Leclerc.

[Pylyp Orlyk]

There is a tank project.Our guys are developing it's own MBT but it'll be a copy of French Leclerc.

Could you please direct me to the article... this wouldn't be the first time Mozorov Design Buerau blew smoke up my a$$.

[kaiser_tr]

Translated:

Mozorov Design Bureau has been selected to aid in the development of Turkey's indigenous tank project. Contracts are being drawn to provide tooling and assistance in setting up the factory. The deal will be worth approximatly 5 billion (1.2B USD) Hryvnia.
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maybe you will only assist us to set up the factory...because turkish army generally do not like russian-ukranian armaments.

T series tanks or their copys wont be wellcomed in our army...i heard there is a certain chance that work together with s.korea and pakistan.

turkey's ASELSAN has already produced our tanks fire control system...we will produce tank's engine and transmission under license...only thing left is armor technology.about these a turkish university is trying to develop a reactive armor...we may need tech. about this stuff.

[Mehmet]

I have been looking at a few of these threads, and I am disappointed at both the Turks, and the Iranians. I wish that Muslim countries would stop arguing so much, and instead work together because the day will come when Iran and Turkey might need each other. As far as I can see, America is the enemy. All of the countries that have been bullied by America have to unite. I know alot of people dislike Turkey because they mix themselves with Americans, but at the end of the day Turkey is a Muslim country and Turkey doesn't agree with alot of the things Americans do.

Anyway, that's what I think

Mehmet

[dogukan]

Turkey is not a Muslim country.Everybody is free to choose his/her own religion.We are secular.Most of the population is Muslim thats it.
I don't like calling Turkey "Islamic"

[Mehmet]

Weather you like it or not doesn't matter. Most of the population is Muslim. If Turkey wasn't an Islamic country, then why has the Pope stated he will be visiting Turkey in order to amend bridges between the religions. Was Ataturk not a believer in God? ..Although he wasn't a "strict Muslim" I believe that in a speech of his he did mention Allah. I know many Turks that believe in Allah, although they don't follow the Qu'ran as maybe they should be - this doesn't mean they are not Muslims.

Mehmet

[dogukan]

Yeah most of the Turks are Muslim.But Turkey is NOT ISLAMIC.

I didn't ask Atatürk about his religion.But even if he was an unbeliever he wouldn't tell it in a religious community while building a country

[Mehmet]

How do you define a "Islamic country"? Name me a country were everyone follows only Islam, strictly. I guess it would depend on how you look at it.


Mehmet

[dogukan]

Islamic countries are ruled by Islamic rules.They're not free,they must follow Islamic rules.

[snc128]

give a name where everyone follows Islam

[snc128]

according to ur idea,everyone must follow constitutions.does it mean they r not free

[Mehmet]

Relating to what I said before:

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=1711

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Dogukan, I believe there aren't such a thing as "Islamic countries" in the way that you define it. However, there are countries that are overwhelmingly Muslim. That is why I personally would call Turkey an Islamic country. However, me and your definitions are different. Not to worry, we all are entitled to our views :)

Mehmet

[azad]

hoşgeldin mehmet,
why don't you open a thread in the member introductions section so that the others will also have the chance to welcome you..

[Mehmet]

Teşekkür ederim, Azad
I will do that now :)


Mehmet

[arteshi]

well tell us. what are these good reasons?

well centuries of raids and atrocities do it, in Italy people still say "mamma li turchi" which means basically "Turks are coming". Aside from that, Turks are basically invading Europe like a horde of mongols and that's not really cool. I mean European are finally at peace with each other after centuries of warfare and now more or less they are a nation. culturally Europe is separate from you Muslims and ethnically European people are not dissimilar from each other. Turks are different, the white ones are descendants of the people that lived there before the Turks got there, Greeks, Romans, Gauls, Normans, Russians, Germans and Irano-armenoids were all populations that lived in Anatolia before the Turks came down from Mongolia. So the more Turks and Muslims they get in Europe them more people start thinking they are being invaded. The Turks did get invited to work in Germany when labor was needed but now it's a different story. As far as the Turks beating up on Europeans, well I don't think the Byzantines constituted Europe. Nor did the Romanians or the Serbs or for that matter the Albanians. All these were on the fringes of Europe and were not even considered civilized people. When the Turks met the Russians in Battle they lost, when they got to Wien they got defeated, when they fought the Italians they got defeated, when they fought the Balkan peoples they got defeated and when they finally fought Europeans in WWI they got defeated. They had their glory in the 14th century and declined by the 17th century. As I said, Turkish soldiers are great, the Turkish Army is well armed and trained. All that I was saying was that Europe is for Europeans and Muslims are not Europa, no offense to anyone on the forum, I know most Turks are Muslim and think they are Europeans. I believe their leader Ataturk was a great guy, he got the Turks to adopt European costumes and brought in as many Europeans as he could to try and change his country. Turkey is probably the most modern of the Middle Eastern states, it's not European, that's all I was saying and nobody in Europe would want them to be in Europa. The only ones that want the Turks are the politicians, and that just because they could get more votes from these new immigrants.

[arteshi]

this is what I gathered from talking with some people from EU last time I was in New York. Personally I think Turkish Girls are hot.
Regards
Arteshi out.

[dogukan]

Turks did not invade like Mongols.If we have invaded like them we wouldn't be still around.Look ar Mongols,everything they did is gone now.

Our leaders were very carefull through history(except now)
They lead country very carefully and turned it into an empire.Actually it's vary long story.I can not explain what they did but it wasn't like Mongolian invasion

[blackzero]

That's funny because even though Turkey has so much defence companies than Iran you guys still haven't been able to make your own tanks, fighter jets, missiles, attack helicopters, sams, anti-ship missiles etc... why is Turkeys defence products so poor?.

first of all when did you ever see a educated turk ?
i mean when did you ever hear that a turk invented something ?

they are made to work to be the donkeys i dont want to hurt anybody with this post but thats how i see it

and then you should know that this country is in real debt !
because they are scared to get in to another big fight like they did in WW2 and to lose the country thats why they take $
from eu or usa to buy weapons
and they are supported by the usa so the us can use them
in the futur or even now for their operations to get in to the
middle east (same with israel)

every country has his own problems but turkish people have a good armie thats for sure !

but comparing it with a country like iran is crazy .....

because iran would rain missiles on turkish military bases even befor they try to attack iran
iran would send hizbollah and support PKK to attack and also send all his killers thourght the borders
to do suicides

and soon iran is getting a nuclear power they would send a A-BOMB to
Istanbul and thats the MOST IMPORTANT city of turkey

if that city is gone then the whole country is gone

a 1 week war for iran now but a 1 sec war for iran in the futur as soon they get the A BOMB

you sould not start to argue with them because they are very weird they will tell you that
you are wearing a black shirt even if its white for the rest of the world

they belive that everything they say and do is right and that they are the best
and there will be never anything bether than them

just look at this board its called irandefence and its getting populare and the turks
are here to talk trash again and to show up ....

just dont read their posts and dont answer to them :)

[max]

Well brothers, let's not hurt each other. It's so simple, indeed..
But we are not here to do this, i guess.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by blackzero
first of all when did you ever see a educated turk ?
i mean when did you ever hear that a turk invented something ?

they are made to work to be the donkeys i dont want to hurt anybody with this post but thats how i see it

and then you should know that this country is in real debt !
because they are scared to get in to another big fight like they did in WW2 and to lose the country thats why they take $
from eu or usa to buy weapons
and they are supported by the usa so the us can use them
in the futur or even now for their operations to get in to the
middle east (same with israel)

every country has his own problems but turkish people have a good armie thats for sure !

but comparing it with a country like iran is crazy .....

because iran would rain missiles on turkish military bases even befor they try to attack iran
iran would send hizbollah and support PKK to attack and also send all his killers thourght the borders
to do suicides

and soon iran is getting a nuclear power they would send a A-BOMB to
Istanbul and thats the MOST IMPORTANT city of turkey

if that city is gone then the whole country is gone

a 1 week war for iran now but a 1 sec war for iran in the futur as soon they get the A BOMB

you sould not start to argue with them because they are very weird they will tell you that
you are wearing a black shirt even if its white for the rest of the world

they belive that everything they say and do is right and that they are the best
and there will be never anything bether than them

just look at this board its called irandefence and its getting populare and the turks
are here to talk trash again and to show up ....

just dont read their posts and dont answer to them



first of all when did turkey take part in ww2? if iran was so strong why did they fight iraq a country 1/3 the size of iran, population and geographically for 8 years an than give up??
i do not mean to offend anyone by the way....
Being ignorant is so easy bro.. but having a broad mind and a point of view takes time... its so easy to talk nonsense look George w. bush dos it all the time...:laugh4: brother u should not post things that are filled by hatred and nonsense... there r rules in this forum that u should follow... lets all think before we say something:) ... hope u understand...

[aslan]

shut your inhuman arse up turk. you don't know what we went through those 8 long years. heavy sanctions, and war brought big devastation to our country which was difficult to endure. Turkey wouldn't even survive under US sanctions let alone permmitted by the UNSC. unlike turks we don't go and create massacres to our neighbours and hopefully the greeks will once again teach you cold-hearted bastards a lesson (which is why the arabs dismantled from you animals). Also, have I mentioned were way past you in terms of military industry?. Now, get lost and show the world what you mongolian fcuks do to kurdish civilians.

u r such an idiot... as i said have a broad mind buddy.... its so easy to come and bark nonsense... i dont like to go into race fuelled arguments.. are u not a moderator in this forum? if u r, u should kno not to talk like that bro...

[REZA KHAN]

1st of all the turks can not even make a ****ing bolt , why do not you guys
creat your own forum sit around and jerk off on who is dummer. where does it say in history turks had an empire and do not tell me about the ottoman
crap they lost every ****ing battle they fought and donot bring up the crap about the battle of D .no body gives a **** about when your ******** army was created . it would be a good comparison turky against bangaladash. we fought all the ****ing rat arabs , us and uk and still won if any body wants to dispute it tell me why it took the iranian army 3 weeks to leave iraq? look at what happened to the IDF ? they got their *** kicked . they admitted 120 dead,170 tanks destroyed . what do think was the real number ? m uch high er I GUArantee you. the IIAF crushED the Iraqi air force over and over again
IIAF had a 14 to 1 kill ratio higher and better than the us in vietnam. who trained them, whose weapons did they use/ ours ****ers. you turks can not even put down the kurds . we crush them in one month and went to Iraq
and kicked their *** they do not mess with us.it took you 15 yeARS. I can tell you when I was recently in germany you turks make good cab drivers and make good gyros oh wait that is greek is not ? so do yourselfs a favors get the **** out of this forum go post your ******** link from some stupid incyclopedia else where.
who made our nuclear reactors and fuel cycle we did we can MAKE a parking lot out of turkey in one ****ing day . lastly do not forget we held asia minors for hundreds are years. you are all 1/2 persian when we ****ed your mothers you just do not know it . oh and before I forget the map of the middle east has been redrawn a hundred times we have and always will be IRAN. oh wait one thing what is happening to US in iraq they are getting their *** kicked who is doing it we are.
LONG LIVE IRAN
ZENDE BAD ROHE TAMMAME JON BAZANEE KE KHONESHAN VA
JONESHAN RA DADAND BARAYE KHAKE PAKE MON

[dogukan]

shut your inhuman arse up turk. you don't know what we went through those 8 long years. heavy sanctions, and war brought big devastation to our country which was difficult to endure. Turkey wouldn't even survive under US sanctions let alone permmitted by the UNSC. unlike turks we don't go and create massacres to our neighbours and hopefully the greeks will once again teach you cold-hearted bastards a lesson (which is why the arabs dismantled from you animals). Also, have I mentioned were way past you in terms of military industry?. Now, get lost and show the world what you mongolian fcuks do to kurdish civilians.
This is racism
A post like this is a reason for a ban.WTH!!
Turks are not Mongolian,Mongolians are not Turks.Both are different nomadic ancient ethnicities.They both influenced each other.
The thing is you think you have a much more advanced pop.Do you know what corrupts Turkey?
KURDS!!!There are a million Kurds in Istanbul who makes impossible to live in it.There are a million Kurds in Germany.But people know them as Turks
Kurds are badly educated.They still could not reach todays civilazation level.They still live with their tribes killing each other.

Just come to Istanbul and I'll show you how dangeorus they are.They are always groped.Never alone,they came beside you shopw their knives and take your money-WHY!?!?!Because they can't find job.No one hires them.Would you hire an uneducated Kurds who came from a village.Of couse no!

[dogukan]

1st of all the turks can not even make a ****ing bolt , why do not you guys
creat your own forum sit around and jerk off on who is dummer. where does it say in history turks had an empire and do not tell me about the ottoman
crap they lost every ****ing battle they fought and donot bring up the crap about the battle of D .no body gives a **** about when your ******** army was created . it would be a good comparison turky against bangaladash. we fought all the ****ing rat arabs , us and uk and still won if any body wants to dispute it tell me why it took the iranian army 3 weeks to leave iraq? look at what happened to the IDF ? they got their *** kicked . they admitted 120 dead,170 tanks destroyed . what do think was the real number ? m uch high er I GUArantee you. the IIAF crushED the Iraqi air force over and over again
IIAF had a 14 to 1 kill ratio higher and better than the us in vietnam. who trained them, whose weapons did they use/ ours ****ers. you turks can not even put down the kurds . we crush them in one month and went to Iraq
and kicked their *** they do not mess with us.it took you 15 yeARS. I can tell you when I was recently in germany you turks make good cab drivers and make good gyros oh wait that is greek is not ? so do yourselfs a favors get the **** out of this forum go post your ******** link from some stupid incyclopedia else where.
who made our nuclear reactors and fuel cycle we did we can MAKE a parking lot out of turkey in one ****ing day . lastly do not forget we held asia minors for hundreds are years. you are all 1/2 persian when we ****ed your mothers you just do not know it . oh and before I forget the map of the middle east has been redrawn a hundred times we have and always will be IRAN. oh wait one thing what is happening to US in iraq they are getting their *** kicked who is doing it we are.
LONG LIVE IRAN
ZENDE BAD ROHE TAMMAME JON BAZANEE KE KHONESHAN VA
JONESHAN RA DADAND BARAYE KHAKE PAKE MON
I can't read the whole thing but here are the empires/states

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_states

[dogukan]

OMG lol.Ottomans lost every battle?!?!?!?!
I don't know,how can you explain all those conquered places.Are the historians drawing borders false???Or maybe the people came and said "we belong to Ottomans now"

[masguy]

OMG lol.Ottomans lost every battle?!?!?!?!
I don't know,how can you explain all those conquered places.Are the historians drawing borders false???Or maybe the people came and said "we belong to Ottomans now"

well,not every battle.Ottoman was a great empire.that's what i learnt from my history class

[dogukan]

well,not every battle.Ottoman was a great empire.that's what i learnt from my history class
A person has to be blind to not see it.Of couse Ottomans were a great empire.Actually one of the mightiest through history

[snc128]

shut your inhuman arse up turk. you don't know what we went through those 8 long years. heavy sanctions, and war brought big devastation to our country which was difficult to endure. Turkey wouldn't even survive under US sanctions let alone permmitted by the UNSC. unlike turks we don't go and create massacres to our neighbours and hopefully the greeks will once again teach you cold-hearted bastards a lesson (which is why the arabs dismantled from you animals). Also, have I mentioned were way past you in terms of military industry?. Now, get lost and show the world what you mongolian fcuks do to kurdish civilians.

flanker in wonderland.take it easy mr dreamer.as long as u mention ur hidden faces we ll be more informed about ppl like u
Arabs have different resons,Kurds have different and so have Turks...

[snc128]

well,not every battle.Ottoman was a great empire.that's what i learnt from my history class

dont mind those racists.they talk nonsense
mind see whatever he thinks!;)

[dogukan]

dont mind those racists.they talk nonsense
mind see whatever he thinks!;)
Who is racist??I was saying
Osmalılar çok büyük bi imparatorluktu.Savaşları bileklerinin haklarıyla kazandılar.

[snc128]

Who is racist??I was saying
Osmalılar çok büyük bi imparatorluktu.Savaşları bileklerinin haklarıyla kazandılar.


sorry,it seems we ve a lack of communication.indeed,Ottomans were one of the best rulers of old continental.i dont think u r racist for now.:biggrin1:

[azad]

shut your inhuman arse up turk. you don't know what we went through those 8 long years. heavy sanctions, and war brought big devastation to our country which was difficult to endure. Turkey wouldn't even survive under US sanctions let alone permmitted by the UNSC. unlike turks we don't go and create massacres to our neighbours and hopefully the greeks will once again teach you cold-hearted bastards a lesson (which is why the arabs dismantled from you animals). Also, have I mentioned were way past you in terms of military industry?. Now, get lost and show the world what you mongolian fcuks do to kurdish civilians.

so much hate spilt for nothing.. you have just eaten so much of your brothers' flesh that only a small portion of it will be enough to choke you on the bridge al-sirat..
ادب يا هو

[aslan]

Originally Posted by Flanker
shut your inhuman arse up turk. you don't know what we went through those 8 long years. heavy sanctions, and war brought big devastation to our country which was difficult to endure. Turkey wouldn't even survive under US sanctions let alone permmitted by the UNSC. unlike turks we don't go and create massacres to our neighbours and hopefully the greeks will once again teach you cold-hearted bastards a lesson (which is why the arabs dismantled from you animals). Also, have I mentioned were way past you in terms of military industry?. Now, get lost and show the world what you mongolian fcuks do to kurdish civilians

Originally Posted by REZA KHAN
1st of all the turks can not even make a ****ing bolt , why do not you guys
creat your own forum sit around and jerk off on who is dummer. where does it say in history turks had an empire and do not tell me about the ottoman
crap they lost every ****ing battle they fought and donot bring up the crap about the battle of D .no body gives a **** about when your ******** army was created . it would be a good comparison turky against bangaladash. we fought all the ****ing rat arabs , us and uk and still won if any body wants to dispute it tell me why it took the iranian army 3 weeks to leave iraq? look at what happened to the IDF ? they got their *** kicked . they admitted 120 dead,170 tanks destroyed . what do think was the real number ? m uch high er I GUArantee you. the IIAF crushED the Iraqi air force over and over again
IIAF had a 14 to 1 kill ratio higher and better than the us in vietnam. who trained them, whose weapons did they use/ ours ****ers. you turks can not even put down the kurds . we crush them in one month and went to Iraq
and kicked their *** they do not mess with us.it took you 15 yeARS. I can tell you when I was recently in germany you turks make good cab drivers and make good gyros oh wait that is greek is not ? so do yourselfs a favors get the **** out of this forum go post your ******** link from some stupid incyclopedia else where.
who made our nuclear reactors and fuel cycle we did we can MAKE a parking lot out of turkey in one ****ing day . lastly do not forget we held asia minors for hundreds are years. you are all 1/2 persian when we ****ed your mothers you just do not know it . oh and before I forget the map of the middle east has been redrawn a hundred times we have and always will be IRAN. oh wait one thing what is happening to US in iraq they are getting their *** kicked who is doing it we are.
LONG LIVE IRAN
ZENDE BAD ROHE TAMMAME JON BAZANEE KE KHONESHAN VA
JONESHAN RA DADAND BARAYE KHAKE PAKE MON

i think its not even worth arguing with people who r so blind to see the reality of this world... as i said before we all need to be open minded.. we need to see things in real contex not just talk nonsense and offend other people and cultures... that is wat i call uneducated.. if people want to argue, they can start with being more civilised first and think about what they will say... dont come here and just start talkin ******* and nonsense... and try to learn something from each other after all thats wat this forum is for...

respects...

[kaiser_tr]

1st of all the turks can not even make a ****ing bolt ,


look at this pics reza khan and see what our military industry is capable of...

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=4992



and beside mil. industry,general turkish industry is far more better than yours:) altough you have petrol and related industrys with god's help,our industrial output is much higher than yours.

[blackzero]

first of all when did turkey take part in ww2? if iran was so strong why did they fight iraq a country 1/3 the size of iran, population and geographically for 8 years an than give up??
i do not mean to offend anyone by the way....
Being ignorant is so easy bro.. but having a broad mind and a point of view takes time... its so easy to talk nonsense look George w. bush dos it all the time...:laugh4: brother u should not post things that are filled by hatred and nonsense... there r rules in this forum that u should follow... lets all think before we say something:) ... hope u understand...

we didnt start the fight they attacked us and we defended our selfs

[turkishwarrior]

turkish army is powerfull army in the world
we built helicopters we built jet fighters(tai factory can build it ,destroyers,ifles and all weapons

[kaiser_tr]

turkish army is powerfull army in the world
we built helicopters we built jet fighters(tai factory can build it ,destroyers,ifles and all weapons

plz be realistic.

[payam]

turkish army is powerfull army in the world
we built helicopters we built jet fighters(tai factory can build it ,destroyers,ifles and all weapons

heyyyyyyyyyy:biggrin1: so let's go mannnnnnnnnnnnn:tired1_24:

[Ghan]

Jewish Siyonist are verry smart, they do AL muslim to enemiy, IRAN VS TURKEY ENEMY, TURKEY VS ARAB ENEMY, KURD VS TURK ENEMY IRAN VS ARAB ENEMY

bad verry bad

Hold fast to the rope of God all together, and do not separate. Remember God’s blessing to you...
(Qur’an, 3:103)


Siyonist hawe control of USA, after irak, Suriye next Iran next Turkey next all arab next all muslim, All muslim are brother we must buld ISLAMIC UNION


Dont forget in Turkey lives, i thing 1 milon seckret jews, outside Muslim insaide jews, the hawe control Turkish news, Televizyon,


Book i can rekomendet

A CALL FOR AN ISLAMIC UNION

http://www.harunyahya.com/books/social/union/islamic_union_01.php

[turkishwarrior]

Ghan brother kurds are not müslim they are terrorist and alevi..
they are attack our troops and military carriers but our army destroy terorists in our country dont forget brother we are destroy all kurdish terorists

[Ghan]

turkishwarrior, not all kurds are terorist, remeber Turgut Özal was Kurdish president of Turkey, but jews dont likte it the kill Turgut Özal, Jews want all Muslims must be enemy to all muslim, or muslim kan be strong, this is verry dangerus for israil, jews suport pkk terörist and all terörist in the world,

jews hawe kontrol all news paper and televizyon chaneel on the world
the newer want att muslim be strong, the want separate all muslim and kill one on one, or muslim kan be verry strong

And i dont listen politicans

i listen only ALLAH

and ALLAH say


Hold fast to the rope of God all together, and do not separate. Remember God’s blessing to you...
(Qur’an, 3:103)

[payam]

Ghan brother kurds are not müslim they are terrorist and alevi..
they are attack our troops and military carriers but our army destroy terorists in our country dont forget brother we are destroy all kurdish terorists
1-U CANT CALL A NATION TERRORIST.....kurds are not terrorist
2- u mean shiayan are not muslim????????????u are worst than those zionists

[turkishwarrior]

1-U CANT CALL A NATION TERRORIST.....kurds are not terrorist
2- u mean shiayan are not muslim????????????u are worst than those zionists


all kurds are not terorist but %90 kurds are terorist if kurds are muslim why attack our troops??
ı dont love zionists because they attack our palestina brothers
kurds are usa toys usa use kurds in ıraq
dont forget payam our army defeat kurds

[Ghan]

here, Kurds answer to PKK TERÖR watch full video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnHIIP8HrHk

For cold a terörörist all of 3 million Turkish Kurd
You most be friend one on one of all kurd, then efter you can know if all kurds are terörist. i think you watch televizyon (jews have control) then you think yes all kurds are terörist





More about siyonist if some can Turkish

http://www.siyonizm.net/

and More about Sebatay jewis in Turkey in this link:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/goezelel53/Gorusler/Munazaralar/body_munazaralar.htm

(them are outside Muslim,them have convert to Islam 1700 in ottoman empire, but them are still jews inside and work for a build BIG ISRAEL) the are everywhere in Turkey, and the start hate each other on difrent culture (Kurd Turk Armeni and more) and the stop Turkish muslim to be friend to other muslim (iran Arab kurd pakistan and more)
you know the use newspaper; magazine and TV. the show on tv Iran men hit women iran people are verry dangerous iran country are verry bad, the deceive Turkish people

and last word: i dont hate Jews, And i dont like to

[saddik]

As-Salam Aleyküm my brothers.

I am a persian and I live in Turkey. Turkish people are very friendly and they love us. They always help me and I have a lot of friends here. And I think if Iran fights Usa, turkish youth comes to Iran for fighting.

Usa wants muslim not to be a family. Please, Be careful.

Hey Ghan. www.siyonizm.net is very wonderful page. Does it belong to you?

If I can know Turkish very well, I translate this page in Persian.
And who can translate, please do this!

ALLAH-U AKBAR

[Ghan]

hi saddik, no this site (siyonizm.net) is not belong to me, i have find this site on google

here more about jews siyonist terörisim on world

Books:
http://www.harunyahya.org/kitap/hy_terorun_perde_arkasi/Teror.html

[saddik]

No. I choose siyonizm.net . Harun Yahya is not a good man. I read his books too but I dont advise him to anyone. Thank you .

ALLAH-U AKBAR

[payam]

all kurds are not terorist but %90 kurds are terorist if kurds are muslim why attack our troops??
i dot know about kurds in turkey but kurd in iran are nice guys.....they are not against anyone (90%)of them
about kurds in turkey maybe that's cuase o having no respect.... i mean in turkey they have some cultural problems.......

[snc128]

i smell some kind of different racism trends here.1st of all Kurds r terrorist calling is a total BS.
guys,take care of ur minds.we r all brother.
besides dont give wrong informations about Turkiye and try to be show ur common sense.
Kurds in Turkiye r rarely terrorists.cuz most terrorists being killed and arrested r observed that they have not applied sunnet(sunnah,remember from Hz Ibrahim=Abraham ;))

[kaiser_tr]

snc128 is right...only a small part of kurds want seperation in turkey.and only a little part of these seperationist use violence for their goal.
we have many kurdish friedns and maybe relatives and nothing is wrong between us:)

[kaiser_tr]

hi saddik, no this site (siyonizm.net) is not belong to me, i have find this site on google

here more about jews siyonist terörisim on world

Books:
http://www.harunyahya.org/kitap/hy_terorun_perde_arkasi/Teror.html


ghan i advise you not to follow harun yahya's way...he and his followers did many things which are not appropriate for islam...

[Ghan]

kaiser_tr i dont know not so much about Harun Yahya, but i read his bok and his documentary film. and i like it

[kaiser_tr]

dude beleive me he has no interest in islam...he acts like that to sell more books and films:(

he is a total jerk

[snc128]

according to recent news Turkish Army is the 8th biggest army of the world.
besides It is the biggest army of the Europe

[Sanchezz]

Iran face it ... turkey is stronger.Dough if you would get rid of your "supreme leader" and turn secularist you might overcome turkey.Btw why is turkey stronger ?? more army - better equipped , more advanced weapons , US and EU weapon technologies and about paramilitary each turk must serve in the army so you realy cant count turkish paramilitary :D. and economy of turkey is stronger that iranian...

[Behrooz Boonabi]

Iran face it ... turkey is stronger.Dough if you would get rid of your "supreme leader" and turn secularist you might overcome turkey.Btw why is turkey stronger ?? more army - and about paramilitary each turk must serve in the army so you realy cant count turkish paramilitary :D. and economy of turkey is stronger that iranian...

Each Iranian must serve 2 years. Turkey is not any more or less stronger and they are really the same people.

[Ghan]

Turkey have secret deal with other Turkic country, if one of Turkic country be attacked must all Turkic country help each other.

This deal signs after Azerbajan and Armenian war,

Turkey have experience from NATO to lead United Turkic Army
And other Turkic country have experience from Sovijet technology and Nuke Bomb

Turkic country: Same language Same culture Same religion
Azerbajan
Turkmenistan
Turkey
Uzbekistan
kazakhstan
Tajikistan
Kyrgyzstan
KKTC (Kuzey Kibris Türk Cuhmuriyeti)

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7308/asiamapcl3.jpg



And Turkey never gone war with Iran, because Iran and Turkey have never war with each other more than 400 years
and Iranien people are Muslim, Islam says war with other Muslim people are Haram/forbidden

[dogukan]

um...Tajiks are Iranian
And Azerbenjanis are in the middle

[Ghan]

Dogukan you can visit or call to theirs embassy
and you can get more info if what them feel, if them are Iranien or Turkic


Azerbajan Embassy

http://www.azembassy.us/

2741 34th Street, Washington D.C. 20008
Tel.: 1 (202) 337 3500


The Embassy of Republic of Tajikistan

http://www.tjus.org/

1005 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W., Washington D.C., 20037

Phone: 202-223-6090; Fax: 202-223-6091


and i dont care if them are Iranian or Turkic, Turkeys idea are to build Islamic union, if you are watching Turkish Nationel chanell TRT, you will understand
this project all redy have begining :biggrin1:


Turkeys idea to build Islamic Union first with Turkic Nations (united Army) after that with All Islamic country,

[Amir]

lol Tajiks are Iranians and are as much persian as the the persians of Iran

[payam]

no not much persian....just they are a trieb of persian

[payam]

my friend ghan are muhhamad and moses and jesus turk too ?:D

[payam]

Turkeys idea to build Islamic Union first with Turkic Nations (united Army) after that with All Islamic country,

:D
hey man i didnt tell u what happened today
some persians here deleted my thread'' iranian turks''' cuase they had nothing to say to me....they had no answer to my realities

[masguy]

i can't believe it.Payam has been banned :errrr3: http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g150/masjan/omg.gif http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g150/masjan/suicide.gif....forever????

[Ghan]

Ameer and Payam if you guys say Tajikistan people is Persian, i accept that
i have small knowledge about this, But Turkeys ida are buld islamic union army
to match Israil/USA s army.

or Ziyonist want to eat All Middle East country one of one, to build theirs holy country Big Israil

[Yasin20]

yeap yeah iran stronger realy yeah right ahahahaha verry verry funny and thats why they threatend yous first instead of turkey becouse yous are the weakest

[kaiser_tr]

american threats to iran is not because of iran's weakness.well infact if iran was that much weak we could see american soldiers in tehran right now:)

[turkishwarrior]

turkish army is powerful

[WuzHappin]

We don't need an army to defeat Eeraan, our police forces can take over Iran in less then 2 weeks :laugh1:


BTW, Turkey has 20 smal nukes that were given to us by the US, after the Cold War. We can use them only for defensive purposes but still... trust me, you do not want to mess with Turkiye. :no2:

[Kaveh]

We don't need an army to defeat Eeraan, our police forces can take over Iran in less then 2 weeks :laugh1:


BTW, Turkey has 20 smal nukes that were given to us by the US, after the Cold War. We can use them only for defensive purposes but still... trust me, you do not want to mess with Turkiye. :no2:

:roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3:

[payam]

We don't need an army to defeat Eeraan, our police forces can take over Iran in less then 2 weeks :laugh1:


BTW, Turkey has 20 smal nukes that were given to us by the US, after the Cold War. We can use them only for defensive purposes but still... trust me, you do not want to mess with Turkiye. :no2:

man u mean iranian police to force in turkey??:huh1: :laugh1: dont be child:wub1:

no brother.....usa has many atomic arsenals in europ too.....u are just helping them to keep thier bombs in ur country.....also there is no turk in that centers.....also u are just letting murderer american to keep their bobms in ur country...and for sure that bombs are just for islamic nations....shame on u

[WuzHappin]

:roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3: :roflmao3:

You should not laugh my friend, you should cry...and you will if Iran ever attacks Turkey.

Look here: :teacher3:

Fighters - Turkey > Iran
Tanks - Turkey > Iran
Subs and navy - Turkey > Iran
Army size - about the same
Economy - Turkey > Iran
Officers - Turkey > Iran
Allies - Turkey > Iran
Nukes - Turkey > Iran

I tell you, we would finish you guys within matter of months. It will not be an attrition warfare..it will be a Blitzkrieg, we will walk all over Tahran.

I will find you the evidence that the USA left 20 nukes in Turkey, for Turkey's own disposal. All the intelligence services and armies know about it..the good ones that is.

[WuzHappin]

You misunderstood. I said these nukes BELONG to Turkey, which means that Turkey is the owner of these nukes. I'm an not speaking about the other nukes the US has in Turkish territory, and elsewhere in the world. They were given to Turkey after the Cold War because the Turkish Army feared that Russia anc Caucasus might become unstable and thus Turkey might need nukes in emergency situations. This means that Turkish Generals have the activation codes and do not need yankees to activate the nukes in some specific location(s).

[payam]

yes or e ergancy situations....for ex when america wants to attack iran will say to the ameircan soldiors in turkey to shoot one
realy u thought americans love u that have atomic arsenals in ur country???:Dso funny man

[masguy]

Damn chauvinist moderators they won't allow me to respond to reza khan...cowards..afraid of Turks.

no...We receive such a tremendous amount of spams lately.so you need 30 posts before u can post link.

[kaiser_tr]

wuzhappin dont take is so serius.its just a forum and i tried to make many debates in here especially about iran vs turkey(unfortunately)

nothings gonna change ppl's mind.

[sayenforever]

IF Iranians and Turks were more intelligent, they would realise:

They complement each other very well!!!

Turkey has a better and more modern navy.
Armed forces its pretty much an even match - Turkey might be have newer inventory, but Iran can fight while sanctioned, and that counts for a lot.
Air forces? Turkey has better planes, but Iran doesn't just assemble, they make planes from scratch (OK reverse engineered, but the US put a man on the moon reverse engineering nazi technology, so who cares?).

And Iran has longer range missiles with God knows what payload.

Turkey and Iranian militaries joining forces would be a superpower to rival the US, EU, Russia and Chinese.

The whole arab world, africa, and central asia would have to buy your military hardare, and you could put profits into R&D.

I guess its already happening at an economic level, with trade improving between your countries, it should become a military objective too.

If you can't put your differences aside, then you're both dumb.

sorry, don't want to offend anyone.

[payam]

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=10413

[dogukan]

IF Iranians and Turks were more intelligent, they would realise:

They complement each other very well!!!

Turkey has a better and more modern navy.
Armed forces its pretty much an even match - Turkey might be have newer inventory, but Iran can fight while sanctioned, and that counts for a lot.
Air forces? Turkey has better planes, but Iran doesn't just assemble, they make planes from scratch (OK reverse engineered, but the US put a man on the moon reverse engineering nazi technology, so who cares?).

And Iran has longer range missiles with God knows what payload.

Turkey and Iranian militaries joining forces would be a superpower to rival the US, EU, Russia and Chinese.

The whole arab world, africa, and central asia would have to buy your military hardare, and you could put profits into R&D.

I guess its already happening at an economic level, with trade improving between your countries, it should become a military objective too.

If you can't put your differences aside, then you're both dumb.

sorry, don't want to offend anyone.
Thats a great idea,but I think Iran must have a better government than this.I mean the religious system is not good

[payam]

Well be sure the religious system is so better than stupid secular is......that's why western are acting liek this to iran.....they scare of a powerfull religious system.....and they are doing all they can against islam and iran.....cuase by then the secular story will be finish in this world

[sayenforever]

Thats a great idea,but I think Iran must have a better government than this.I mean the religious system is not good

Well be sure the religious system is so better than stupid secular is......that's why western are acting liek this to iran.....they scare of a powerfull religious system.....and they are doing all they can against islam and iran.....cuase by then the secular story will be finish in this world


Man, I thought you guys were smarter than that!

I love Iranians and Turks, but they each in their own way need to stop striving for some Eutopia that is going to solve all their problems... There is no 'perfect state', you need to look into your hearts and realise it is better to grow powerful TOGETHER and IGNORE your differences, when you ignore problems they stay there, they do - but as long as you're aware of your own failings and your own mistakes, you'll always find a way around that.

Iran + Turkey = World at your feet.

Maybe that's a scary responsibility for you. Maybe you have gotten used to the US deciding your future for you, and have gotten used to it? The region, the entire world is crying out for responsible leadership.

The democratic party will be a more diplomatic version of the Bush administration.

At the very least, Iran and Turkey need to bring Saudi (25% of world's oil supply) under control through diplomacy.

You do that by dealing with Bahrain, Qatar, The UAE, Kuwait (yuk), and Oman and Yemen, and completely isolate Saudi Arabia, with a common Turko-Iranian policy for the middle east. Trading with them, the Turks are good at infrastructure projects, Iranians have strong relationships with persian minorities who are in a position to control who state contracts are given to.

Take over, its not that hard, you have certain advantages over the US - you're muslim, you know how these Khalejee arabs think.

Control the price of oil and China, India, the world will come to you begging. The US is about to collapse financially, their hands will be full with Iraq, so now is the time - be patient and it will happen.

[dogukan]

Well be sure the religious system is so better than stupid secular is......that's why western are acting liek this to iran.....they scare of a powerfull religious system.....and they are doing all they can against islam and iran.....cuase by then the secular story will be finish in this world
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
they can have an orgasm when they see a women hair,thats why they do not cover them
A raped women,OMG we have to kill her

I don't know what do they tell you in Iran but western people are laughing at your system with their @sses my friend.It lack the freedom westerns need
It sucks man,forbidding things is what BAD guys do

[dogukan]

Man, I thought you guys were smarter than that!

I love Iranians and Turks, but they each in their own way need to stop striving for some Eutopia that is going to solve all their problems... There is no 'perfect state', you need to look into your hearts and realise it is better to grow powerful TOGETHER and IGNORE your differences, when you ignore problems they stay there, they do - but as long as you're aware of your own failings and your own mistakes, you'll always find a way around that.

Iran + Turkey = World at your feet.

Maybe that's a scary responsibility for you. Maybe you have gotten used to the US deciding your future for you, and have gotten used to it? The region, the entire world is crying out for responsible leadership.

The democratic party will be a more diplomatic version of the Bush administration.

At the very least, Iran and Turkey need to bring Saudi (25% of world's oil supply) under control through diplomacy.

You do that by dealing with Bahrain, Qatar, The UAE, Kuwait (yuk), and Oman and Yemen, and completely isolate Saudi Arabia, with a common Turko-Iranian policy for the middle east. Trading with them, the Turks are good at infrastructure projects, Iranians have strong relationships with persian minorities who are in a position to control who state contracts are given to.

Take over, its not that hard, you have certain advantages over the US - you're muslim, you know how these Khalejee arabs think.

Control the price of oil and China, India, the world will come to you begging. The US is about to collapse financially, their hands will be full with Iraq, so now is the time - be patient and it will happen.

Come to Turkey and I'll vote for you :)

[snc128]

they can have an orgasm when they see a women hair,thats why they do
maybe ppl who defend nudity ,uses women as a sex object or desires them to use as an object.that is why they gave them a supposedly right like being naked.some wanna see much more than they deserve.look at streets,i wanna ask ,whether a guy make an improper suggestion to a covered women or not.dont u think they deserve the right not to harass .give women their freedom and stop behaving immoral.

[payam]

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
they can have an orgasm when they see a women hair,thats why they do not cover them
A raped women,OMG we have to kill her

I don't know what do they tell you in Iran but western people are laughing at your system with their @sses my friend.It lack the freedom westerns need
It sucks man,forbidding things is what BAD guys do

well dogukan....my muslim friend...western people laugh to u as a muslim...cuase u are a terrorist when u are a muslim in thier ideology(and if u are not u must show ur prrof to them!!!!)
they can laugh to everything they want
fist of all be polite......another time gana be harder for u to say foolish words
also u'll see by ur eyes inshaallah.......always people are not aware of what is going on around

[dogukan]

well dogukan....my muslim friend...western people laugh to u as a muslim...cuase u are a terrorist when u are a muslim in thier ideology(and if u are not u must show ur prrof to them!!!!)
they can laugh to everything they want
fist of all be polite......another time gana be harder for u to say foolish words
also u'll see by ur eyes inshaallah.......always people are not aware of what is going on around
you said something different in your previous post
They do not envy your lifestly,your lifestyle actually scares them and they think religious laws are not good.A religion musn't decide the countrys future,not everybody is Muslim.People have rights,the best thing is when everybody keeps his/her own ideas about religion

[payam]

Man, I thought you guys were smarter than that!

I love Iranians and Turks, but they each in their own way need to stop striving for some Eutopia that is going to solve all their problems... There is no 'perfect state', you need to look into your hearts and realise it is better to grow powerful TOGETHER and IGNORE your differences, when you ignore problems they stay there, they do - but as long as you're aware of your own failings and your own mistakes, you'll always find a way around that.

Iran + Turkey = World at your feet.

Maybe that's a scary responsibility for you. Maybe you have gotten used to the US deciding your future for you, and have gotten used to it? The region, the entire world is crying out for responsible leadership.

The democratic party will be a more diplomatic version of the Bush administration.

At the very least, Iran and Turkey need to bring Saudi (25% of world's oil supply) under control through diplomacy.

You do that by dealing with Bahrain, Qatar, The UAE, Kuwait (yuk), and Oman and Yemen, and completely isolate Saudi Arabia, with a common Turko-Iranian policy for the middle east. Trading with them, the Turks are good at infrastructure projects, Iranians have strong relationships with persian minorities who are in a position to control who state contracts are given to.

Take over, its not that hard, you have certain advantages over the US - you're muslim, you know how these Khalejee arabs think.

Control the price of oil and China, India, the world will come to you begging. The US is about to collapse financially, their hands will be full with Iraq, so now is the time - be patient and it will happen.


well man ur infos had no connection to thous replies:roflmao3:

[payam]

you said something different in your previous post
They do not envy your lifestly,your lifestyle actually scares them and they think religious laws are not good.A religion musn't decide the countrys future,not everybody is Muslim.People have rights,the best thing is when everybody keeps his/her own ideas about religion

ok if it is that so we must have 1/5 billion kind of islam!!!!cuase all like to have thier own kind of islam
the islam is 1....and that is what god said to u....be on that way....to achieve ur rights

[dogukan]

ok if it is that so we must have 1/5 billion kind of islam!!!!cuase all like to have thier own kind of islam
the islam is 1....and that is what god said to u....be on that way....to achieve ur rights
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