Jordan vs Egypt

[khairat786]

who will win if there is any war between these 2 nations? what are the weapons,fighters,tanks and artillary they have in their inventry. is there any early warning system in the inventry of these countries? I do not have much knowledge but whatever i know i think that egypt has bigger millitary and budget. but the disadvantage they have is sinai which is not connected with the mainland.so if fought skillfully then jorden might be able to cut the sinal from the main land and annex sinai in its kingdom.what you guys think?

[Kermanshah1]

who will win if there is any war between these 2 nations? what are the weapons,fighters,tanks and artillary they have in their inventry. is there any early warning system in the inventry of these countries? I do not have much knowledge but whatever i know i think that egypt has bigger millitary and budget. but the disadvantage they have is sinai which is not connected with the mainland.so if fought skillfully then jorden might be able to cut the sinal from the main land and annex sinai in its kingdom.what you guys think?

It will not happen. But in any case Egypt would win

[dogukan]

no way
Egypt pwns

[Kermanshah1]

no way
Egypt pwns

Ofcourse Egypt would win. But this war will not happen, Jordan and Egypt are allies.

[Assad]

who will win if there is any war between these 2 nations? what are the weapons,fighters,tanks and artillary they have in their inventry. is there any early warning system in the inventry of these countries? I do not have much knowledge but whatever i know i think that egypt has bigger millitary and budget. but the disadvantage they have is sinai which is not connected with the mainland.so if fought skillfully then jorden might be able to cut the sinal from the main land and annex sinai in its kingdom.what you guys think?

Jordan will kick those sory *** egyptians back to cario.

[Kermanshah1]

who will win if there is any war between these 2 nations? what are the weapons,fighters,tanks and artillary they have in their inventry. is there any early warning system in the inventry of these countries? I do not have much knowledge but whatever i know i think that egypt has bigger millitary and budget. but the disadvantage they have is sinai which is not connected with the mainland.so if fought skillfully then jorden might be able to cut the sinal from the main land and annex sinai in its kingdom.what you guys think?

Egypt:
Active Personell: 45,000
Total troops: 1,109,000
Budget: $2.44 Bilion
Tanks: 3730

880 M1A1
1700 M60A3
500 T-62
390 T-55
260 Ramses II

Fighters: 304

48 Dassault Mirage 5
16 Dassault Mirage 2000
14 Dassault-Breguet/Dornier Alpha Jet
170 Lockheed F-16 Fighting Falcon
32 McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II
24 Mikoyan MiG-21


Jordan:
Active Personell: 100,700
Total troops: 145,700
Budget: $757.5 million
Tanks:???

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Fighters: 115

25 Dassault Mirage F1
49 Lockheed F-16 Fighting Falcon
41 Northrop F-5 Tiger II

[M Nabil]

Jordan will kick those sory *** egyptians back to cario.

This is not the first time you insult Egypt & Egyptians in your posts, you should express your point of view respectfully if you want to be respected.

I wonder how do you feel when your country or countrymen get insulted, you should treat others as you want to be treated.

[Amir]

Jordan will kick those sory *** egyptians back to cario.

I will ban you if you continue such a behaviour.

[not-now]

what kind of comparison is this ? i like both countries and no offence to jordan but egypt would win hands down.They're known to be the strongest in the ME after israel.

[Kermanshah1]

what kind of comparison is this ? i like both countries and no offence to jordan but egypt would win hands down.They're known to be the strongest in the ME after israel.

:roflmao3::roflmao3::roflmao3:

[Tallgeese]

We'd get our behinds kicked. No way we can face up to Egypt. Maybe in the 1940s Jordan was nominally stronger (the army) but this changed quickly.

[chaos]

and how eygpt can reach jordan? lol.. they cant fight each other.

[F.Faruqi]

Egypt would win, hands down. I don't think there was much of a point on stating this thread. I can't find Jordan's total tank numbers. BTW, I think all of Jordan's F-16's are A/B model, the best being MLU Block 20's. Egypt has 2 sets of F-16's, the first U.S made A/B models, of which there are 42 and the second consists of 178 C/D models, manufactured by Turkey.

[Kermanshah1]

Come on guys, we all know Egypt will win. Egypt has a larger military, their ground forces are much stronger as they it is much larget, it's got more and not less good equipment, their air-force can beat Jordans air-force easily and with navy. JYou can't say Jordan has better quality because in that way they are qgual if Egypt is not better and Egypt has got numercial advantages to.

How they can reach Jordan? Any way they want, they can go via sea or via S-A, Egypt can easily beat S-A too. Or they go via Israel, I bet they would let them. but this war will never come, Egypt and Jordan will never fight a war against each other. But that doesn't change the fact that Egypt is easily stronger.

[Kermanshah1]

Egypt would win, hands down. I don't think there was much of a point on stating this thread. I can't find Jordan's total tank numbers. BTW, I think all of Jordan's F-16's are A/B model, the best being MLU Block 20's. Egypt has 2 sets of F-16's, the first U.S made A/B models, of which there are 42 and the second consists of 178 C/D models, manufactured by Turkey.

And Egypt has 880 Abraham tanks.

[not-now]

:roflmao3::roflmao3::roflmao3:

are u kidding ? why do you think israel stopped the sale of f-15s to egypt because the gap was alread small and getting them would have made it even smaller .Egypt alread has land forces far bigger than israel's.
EAF is the biggest airforce in the region next to israel which include 200+ f-16sapart from israel and saudi nobody else has anything else that can compare.

[Kermanshah1]

are u kidding ? why do you think israel stopped the sale of f-15s to egypt because the gap was alread small and getting them would have made it even smaller .Egypt alread has land forces far bigger than israel's.
EAF is the biggest airforce in the region next to israel which include 200+ f-16sapart from israel and saudi nobody else has anything else that can compare.

We kick their ***es if they would ever dare to go to war with us.

[M Nabil]

We kick their ***es if they would ever dare to go to war with us.

Nobody suggested/wants such a war, please grow up !

What you said is not true btw.

[Kermanshah1]

Nobody suggested/wants such a war, please grow up !

What you said is not true btw.

I don't say anyone want such war only Egypt is not stronger than Iran.

[alokaa]

I don't say anyone want such war only Egypt is not stronger than Iran.

why dont you prove it

[The Great]

are u kidding ? why do you think israel stopped the sale of f-15s to egypt because the gap was alread small and getting them would have made it even smaller .Egypt alread has land forces far bigger than israel's.
EAF is the biggest airforce in the region next to israel which include 200+ f-16sapart from israel and saudi nobody else has anything else that can compare.


Another pakistani trying to create friction between Egypt and Iran.
First off, Egypt will not win if anything it would be a stalemate or Iran wins.

[The Great]

why dont you prove it

Why don't you prove Egypt wins?

[alokaa]

Why don't you prove Egypt wins?

he said something he has to prove it
and iran wont win egypt coz they got some shehab 3s they are useless egypt has 1025 m1a1 and more than 2000 m60a3 they will take the land in 3 minutes

[The Great]

he said something he has to prove it
and iran wont win egypt coz they got some shehab 3s they are useless egypt has 1025 m1a1 and more than 2000 m60a3 they will take the land in 3 minutes

LOL so you think that is all it would take. Dude wake the hell up.

[alokaa]

LOL so you think that is all it would take. Dude wake the hell up.

yes i'm happy with those m1a1s :biggrin1:

[Kermanshah1]

why dont you prove it

The only way to really prove it was if there was a war but considering we beat the Iraqi's with just wooden rifles and without any training at all Egyptians wich tend run for their lives as soon as the enemy is near won't be such a problem. Yeah you got a good air force but you'll probably just put all your planes on a grass field again and let us bomb them before they can be used. 6 day war :roflmao3:

[M Nabil]

The only way to really prove it was if there was a war but considering we beat the Iraqi's with just wooden rifles and without any training at all Egyptians wich tend run for their lives as soon as the enemy is near won't be such a problem. Yeah you got a good air force but you'll probably just put all your planes on a grass field again and let us bomb them before they can be used. 6 day war :roflmao3:

You said this ignorance before, and it's obvious that you don't know how Egyptians fought with defensive inferior weapons in 1973 war.

In 1967 it was not the mistake of the army, it was the mistake of president Gamal Abd ElNasser who made his ignorant "friend", Abd Alhakim Aamer the commander of the army, well he turned out to be a traitor, he gave orders to the army to retreat as soon as the war started and without even a plan. The army didn't fight and retreated in a disorganized way because of treason of the high commanders.

In 1973, it was the first time that antitank missiles were used on a wide scale, those whom you say tend to run for their lives were chasing and hunting tanks, many israeli tanks were destroyed and lots of their tank crews were killed, One Egyptian soldier, Mohammad Abd AlAaty destroyed 23 tank and 4 armored vehicles, there are several others who destroyed lots of tanks.

The performance of the army engineers, and the special forces was very good.

Check this air battle between the EAF and IAF in 1973 http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_266.shtml

Even in the war of attrition before 1973, there were great operatins and heroics displayed by the Egyptian special forces, they infiltrated israeli defences and did many successful operations beyond enemy lines.

[Kermanshah1]

You said this ignorance before, and it's obvious that you don't know how Egyptians fought with defensive inferior weapons in 1973 war.

If they were so inferior then why did the Israeli's use the weapons they captured?

In 1967 it was not the mistake of the army, it was the mistake of president Gamal Abd ElNasser who made his ignorant "friend", Abd Alhakim Aamer the commander of the army, well he turned out to be a traitor, he gave orders to the army to retreat as soon as the war started and without even a plan. The army didn't fight and retreated in a disorganized way because of treason of the high commanders.

Ecery war there was an excuse, your soldiers lost, your ari force was bombed because you guys just left them unprotected. If you say there was no fighting, you are wrong. There was a lot of fighting only Egyptians either got killed without doing much damage, surrandered, hid or ran away, than your commander retreated them behind the Suez Canal. Sure he was a traitor, only every war there is an excuse but you lost every one of them.

In 1973, it was the first time that antitank missiles were used on a wide scale, those whom you say tend to run for their lives were chasing and hunting tanks, many israeli tanks were destroyed and lots of their tank crews were killed, One Egyptian soldier, Mohammad Abd AlAaty destroyed 23 tank and 4 armored vehicles, there are several others who destroyed lots of tanks.

This war the Egyptians had prepared for everything, and still they lost. :roflmao3: They had bought all SAMs wich made Israels air force wich they wre counting on useles, you blaset their sand bunkers away with high pressure water sprayers and new they woudl retaliate with tanks, so the Egyptians equipped their soldiers with anti-tank missiles, it worked and then the Israeli's send their infantrists in and they won anway...

[QTUOE]The performance of the army engineers, and the special forces was very good.[/QUOTE]

That's what they all say.

Check this air battle between the EAF and IAF in 1973 http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_266.shtml

Even in the war of attrition before 1973, there were great operatins and heroics displayed by the Egyptian special forces, they infiltrated israeli defences and did many successful operations beyond enemy lines.

Egyptians claim victory but they did not achieve anything.

[M Nabil]

If they were so inferior then why did the Israeli's use the weapons they captured?

In which war ?



Ecery war there was an excuse, your soldiers lost, your ari force was bombed because you guys just left them unprotected. If you say there was no fighting, you are wrong. There was a lot of fighting only Egyptians either got killed without doing much damage, surrandered, hid or ran away, than your commander retreated them behind the Suez Canal. Sure he was a traitor, only every war there is an excuse but you lost every one of them.

Egyptian army did not fight in 1967, it was commanded by a traitor, and it did not fight, I'm not giving excuses, it was a defeat and we have to accept it, but the fact is the army was betrayed and did not fight.



This war the Egyptians had prepared for everything, and still they lost. :roflmao3: They had bought all SAMs wich made Israels air force wich they wre counting on useles, you blaset their sand bunkers away with high pressure water sprayers and new they woudl retaliate with tanks, so the Egyptians equipped their soldiers with anti-tank missiles, it worked and then the Israeli's send their infantrists in and they won anway...


sand bunkers ? this proves I'm talking to an ignorant who does not know squat about 1973 war. In a previous post you also proved your ignorance by saying that Egyptian air force was destroyed on the ground in 1973 :xmas_emot3: .The damage we inflicted on the israelis speaks of what we did and the anti-tank missiles worked because Egyptian soldiers knew how to use them and were brave, US interference changed the course of the war.




That's what they all say.

The dead israeli soldiers in 1973 war proves it, Only Egyptian special forces combined with National Defence Force prevented israeli infantry and tanks from capturing Ismailia and Suez.



Egyptians claim victory but they did not achieve anything.

In fact we did, before the war president Sadat offered peace for return of Sinai and it was met by israeli decline, israel suffered heavy losses in 1973 and were saved from defeat by the US.

Fighting israel means fighting USA, simple as that, and president Sadat intended the war to force negotiations because he already knew that

Read and educate yourself http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1997/Moulton.htm

It's obvious from your posts that you take pride in celebrating the strength of your country and describing others as not brave or incompetent, you can't stand to hear that any other country in the region is powerful.

[Kermanshah1]

In which war ?

almost all of those wars.

Egyptian army did not fight in 1967, it was commanded by a traitor, and it did not fight, I'm not giving excuses, it was a defeat and we have to accept it, but the fact is the army was betrayed and did not fight.

Yeah I guess those 21,000 Arab soldiers just died of hart attack. :roflmao3:


sand bunkers ? this proves I'm talking to an ignorant who does not know squat about 1973 war. In a previous post you also proved your ignorance by saying that Egyptian air force was destroyed on the ground in 1973 :xmas_emot3: .The damage we inflicted on the israelis speaks of what we did and the anti-tank missiles worked because Egyptian soldiers knew how to use them and were brave, US interference changed the course of the war.

I don't know exatly but I heared something about the Israeli's using sand to defend their side of the canal and Egypt buying high pressure water sprayers and destroying it.
I never said Egypts air force was destroyed on the ground in 1973, it was destroyed on the ground in 1956 and again in 1967. Seems like you didn't learn much of your mistakes.
No, you lost because your infantrists lost against theirs, you beat their tanks but you couldn't beat their soldiers. And that was all because of your soldiers. And don't B-S me with US interference, the Soviet Union supported Egypt untill Anwar Sadat chose to go towards the west wich would never help Egypt against Israel. Stupid...

The dead israeli soldiers in 1973 war proves it, Only Egyptian special forces combined with National Defence Force prevented israeli infantry and tanks from capturing Ismailia and Suez.

Well actually they crossed the Suez canal and then surrounded the Egyptian 3rd army. So you guy's de facto surrandered to get your land back and recognised Israel meaning Syria and Iraq had to call off their planned offensive.

In fact we did, before the war president Sadat offered peace for return of Sinai and it was met by israeli decline, israel suffered heavy losses in 1973 and were saved from defeat by the US.

Heavy losses? Israel lost 15–16 aircraft, Egypt and the Soviet Union lost 101–113 aircraft.

And no they weren't saved from defeat by the US, the fact you didn't achieve anything wasn't your fault, it was the fault of the Soviets. They're planes were just not as good.

Fighting israel means fighting USA, simple as that, and president Sadat intended the war to force negotiations because he already knew that

Read and educate yourself http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1997/Moulton.htm

Now, yes. But in the those times the Soviet Union supported Egypt just like the US supported Israel.

It's obvious from your posts that you take pride in celebrating the strength of your country and describing others as not brave or incompetent, you can't stand to hear that any other country in the region is powerful.

Egypt is powerfull, but that is relative, they are powerfull compare to Jordan or Saudi Arabia but you can't beat us. Compare your preformances against Israel to ours against Iraq and then compare the equipment used. :roflmao3:

[chaos]

The dead israeli soldiers in 1973 war proves it, Only Egyptian special forces combined with National Defence Force prevented israeli infantry and tanks from capturing Ismailia and Suez.

:roflmao3: wow. u started to attack in the first days, and than eygpt was trying to protect itself. this fact show clearly that israel owned egypt.

but eygpt is indeed stronger than iran. iran isnt capable to hit egypt.

[Kermanshah1]

:roflmao3: wow. u started to attack in the first days, and than eygpt was trying to protect itself. this fact show clearly that israel owned egypt.

but eygpt is indeed stronger than iran. iran isnt capable to hit egypt.

Egypt isn't capable to hit Iran either. But this is becuase they are so far away from each other. But just military Vs. military we win.

With ease.

[chaos]

i doubt that.

lets say that iran bring its army to israel, its great ally, to fight against egypt. egypt will own iran in the air, ground and land.

[Kermanshah1]

i doubt that.

lets say that iran bring its army to israel, its great ally, to fight against egypt. egypt will own iran in the air, ground and land.

Air:Not if we bomb their air force before the war starts. :roflmao3:

Ground & Land: Isn't that the same?

[M Nabil]

:roflmao3: wow. u started to attack in the first days, and than eygpt was trying to protect itself. this fact show clearly that israel owned egypt.

but eygpt is indeed stronger than iran. iran isnt capable to hit egypt.

Like I said in my previous post, fighting israel means fighting the US, war was intended to start negotiations and we achieved our goal, because we are not the ones who will let our land occupied.

[M Nabil]

Air:Not if we bomb their air force before the war starts. :roflmao3:

Ground & Land: Isn't that the same?

And how is Iran gonna do that ?

I really don't want to go on with this childish discussion, as such a war is not expected nor will it be desired by either side.


Kermanshah1, you have proved you are ignorant and don't even know what you are talking about... sand bunkers.. LOL. Please stop 'cause you started this whole unwanted discussion.

[Kermanshah1]

And how is Iran gonna do that ?

I really don't want to go on with this childish discussion, as such a war is not expected nor will it be desired by either side.


Kermanshah1, you have proved you are ignorant and don't even know what you are talking about... sand bunkers.. LOL. Please stop 'cause you started this whole unwanted discussion.

I am not saying such war will happen, but that Iran is stronger than Egypt. And no, your objective was not to start discussions but to recapture sanai wich you failed in. :roflmao3:

[Merchbanks]

Like I said in my previous post, fighting israel means fighting the US, war was intended to start negotiations and we achieved our goal, because we are not the ones who will let our land occupied.

You got your goal in exchange for the one thing you never wanted to give, and the ONLY thing we wanted to get.
We didn't want the Sinai, we didn't want your land.
The only thing we wanted, and we got it, is Peace.

[M Nabil]

I am not saying such war will happen, but that Iran is stronger than Egypt. And no, your objective was not to start discussions but to recapture sanai wich you failed in. :roflmao3:


You're a nice joker :3eyes4:

And no, Egyptian forces were limited to their SAM umbrella which they couldn't advance beyond, they crossed the canal and stopped 12KM from it.

[M Nabil]

You got your goal in exchange for the one thing you never wanted to give, and the ONLY thing we wanted to get.
We didn't want the Sinai, we didn't want your land.
The only thing we wanted, and we got it, is Peace.

And why did you decline peace for return of Sinai before 1973 ?

[Merchbanks]

And why did you decline peace for return of Sinai before 1973 ?

Mind bring some more specific details about that?

[M Nabil]

Mind bring some more specific details about that?

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/uavnery159.htm

In October 1973 the Yom Kippur (or Ramadan) War broke out. The main blame for the war must rest with Prime Minister Golda Meir, who had arrogantly and rudely rejected all the peace proposals made by the Egyptian president, Anwar Sadat.

[Kermanshah1]

You're a nice joker :3eyes4:

And no, Egyptian forces were limited to their SAM umbrella which they couldn't advance beyond, they crossed the canal and stopped 12KM from it.

And Iranians didn't even have an air force, still the only way Saddam could keep us out of Baghdad was by using chemical weapons. You guy's lost all your wars. :roflmao3:

[Ya2]

You're a nice joker :3eyes4:

And no, Egyptian forces were limited to their SAM umbrella which they couldn't advance beyond, they crossed the canal and stopped 12KM from it.

They were stopped and captured (20,000 of them ?)

[Ya2]

And Iranians didn't even have an air force, still the only way Saddam could keep us out of Baghdad was by using chemical weapons. You guy's lost all your wars. :roflmao3:

How many times had he used Chemical weapons? enough to stop Iran from reaching Bagdad in 8 years ?

[Kermanshah1]

They were stopped and captured (20,000 of them ?)

I know, this guy is trying to make excuses but in fact they just lost and they lost badly.

[Kermanshah1]

How many times had he used Chemical weapons? enough to stop Iran from reaching Bagdad in 8 years ?

In almost every major battle he used chemical weapons, but he also used them to gass cities in North Iraq that were captured by Kurdish Rebels alligned to Iran or by Iran.

[Ya2]

In almost every major battle he used chemical weapons, but he also used them to gass cities in North Iraq that were captured by Kurdish Rebels alligned to Iran or by Iran.

Iran has a military agreement with Syria.

If Syria uses Chemical weapons against Israeli civlians, what will Iran do with it's history with chemical weapons, will they support Syria just for the cause of killing Zionists ?

[M Nabil]

And Iranians didn't even have an air force, still the only way Saddam could keep us out of Baghdad was by using chemical weapons. You guy's lost all your wars. :roflmao3:

What Egypt has to do with Saddam ?

[M Nabil]

They were stopped and captured (20,000 of them ?)

No, israel failed to dislodge Egyptian forces on the east bank, even though Egyptian forces were forced to a defensive situation since they couldn't advance beyond the SAM umbrella.

[Kermanshah1]

What Egypt has to do with Saddam ?

Comparing our preformance with yours...

Iran has a military agreement with Syria.

If Syria uses Chemical weapons against Israeli civlians, what will Iran do with it's history with chemical weapons, will they support Syria just for the cause of killing Zionists ?

I don't think Iran would support it but I don't think they would really do anything to Syria anyway. In Iran they don't see Israel as a nation and they don't see Israeli's as a race, they see them as a group of people occupying a patch of land and that's why they agree with the killing of Israeli civilians (please don't agrue about this part here) but Iran is against the use of chemical weapons in any case, even against military so that's why I think they would probably be against it.

[Ya2]

What Egypt has to do with Saddam ?

He said that when Egypt tried to destroy us it got 20,000 of it's soldiers thirsty for water while Saddam said he'll get to Theran in 2 days and couldn't do that for 8 years, so Iran's army > Egypt's Army

[Kermanshah1]

He said that when Egypt tried to destroy us it got 20,000 of it's soldiers thirsty for water while Saddam said he'll get to Theran in 2 days and couldn't do that for 8 years, so Iran's army > Egypt's Army

Exactly. :laugh4:

[Ya2]

Comparing our preformance with yours...



I don't think Iran would support it but I don't think they would really do anything to Syria anyway. In Iran they don't see Israel as a nation and they don't see Israeli's as a race, they see them as a group of people occupying a patch of land and that's why they agree with the killing of Israeli civilians (please don't agrue about this part here) but Iran is against the use of chemical weapons in any case, even against military so that's why I think they would probably be against it.

If Syria attacks us with Chemical and we all know what's gonna happen to them, will Iran still "Protect" Syria after it used Chemical weapons and they're not even sure Assad's still alive since Damscus is history ?

[chaos]

Air:Not if we bomb their air force before the war starts. :roflmao3:

Ground & Land: Isn't that the same?

i meant ground and sea. lol.

[M Nabil]

He said that when Egypt tried to destroy us it got 20,000 of it's soldiers thirsty for water while Saddam said he'll get to Theran in 2 days and couldn't do that for 8 years, so Iran's army > Egypt's Army

israeli forces on the west bank were surrounded and suffered heavy losses, Operatin Shamel was put to annihilate them with forces 7 times their size, US promised Sadat that an acceptable solution will be implemented and threatened him if he executed this plan.

[chaos]

Air:Not if we bomb their air force before the war starts. :roflmao3:

Ground & Land: Isn't that the same?

how can u bomb their air force? you are not israel ^^ . actually, even israel cant do that trick again.

[Kermanshah1]

If Syria attacks us with Chemical and we all know what's gonna happen to them, will Iran still "Protect" Syria after it used Chemical weapons and they're not even sure Assad's still alive since Damscus is history ?

I don't know, right now, no. I can't see anyway they can considering there is no way to reach Syria. But after Iraq has fallen, probably.

US is against the use of nuclear weapons (except if they're the ones using it :laugh4:) if Israel would nuke a country I don't think they'd be happy with it, but I don't think they'd break any relations with Israel.

i meant ground and sea. lol.

Ground: No way

Sea: Depends were, in the Red sea or the Meditiranian sea Irans fleet is mince meat. But in the Persian Gulf and the straght of Hormuz we kick their ***.
Air: If we don't destroy their air force on the ground like you did...

[Kermanshah1]

how can u bomb their air force? you are not israel ^^ . actually, even israel cant do that trick again.

You did it twice...

israeli forces on the west bank were surrounded and suffered heavy losses, Operatin Shamel was put to annihilate them with forces 7 times their size, US promised Sadat that an acceptable solution will be implemented and threatened him if he executed this plan.

No, no that wasn't the case, they had surrounded your 3rd army and that's why you guys chickened out.

[M Nabil]

You did it twice...

They didn't in bomb Egyptian air force on the ground in 1956, it was combined invasion with Britain and France, How can Egypt counter that ? and yet we put up fierce resistance
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/egypt2.htm

The Egyptians put up fierce resistance. Ships were sunk in the canal to prevent transit. In the battle for Port Said, about 2,700 Egyptian civilians and soldiers were killed or wounded.


No, no that wasn't the case, they had surrounded your 3rd army and that's why you guys chickened out.
You joker keep saying no when you don't even know what you are talking about.

I don't really care about answering you but here you go http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,919461-9,00.html

[Kermanshah1]

They didn't in bomb Egyptian air force on the ground in 1956, it was combined invasion with Britain and France, How can Egypt counter that ? and yet we put up fierce resistance
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/egypt2.htm

Not critisising you on the fighting, but on the stupidity of leaving your aircraft unprotected...

You joker keep saying no when you don't even know what you are talking about.

I don't really care about answering you but here you go http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,919461-9,00.html

You can say what you want, you lost.

[Merchbanks]

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/uavnery159.htm

Well if you can bring something that will specifcly say what happened it will be better, not " she refused and a war broke out ".

[M Nabil]

Not critisising you on the fighting, but on the stupidity of leaving your aircraft unprotected...

Do you have problems with comprehension ? Egyptian air force was not bombed on the ground.


You can say what you want, you lost.

You don't even bother to read any source as you answered instantly, and no we didn't lose, Egyptian forces crossed the canal, destroyed the Bar lev line, and held parts of Sinai. we achieved our strategic goal with the limited resources we had and I would take the words of a US Major any day over the mumblings of a low life like you.

[chaos]

Ground: No way

Sea: Depends were, in the Red sea or the Meditiranian sea Irans fleet is mince meat. But in the Persian Gulf and the straght of Hormuz we kick their ***.
Air: If we don't destroy their air force on the ground like you did...

lets say that iranian army is located in israel; u still cant attack egypt. egypt has one of the strongest ground forces in the ME. in the sea they beat u with bigger navy with american weapons. same about air, u wont be able to attack them, they have strong SAM and better air force. ground? it will be deadly combat, but egypt can win a war because of the better air force.

No, no that wasn't the case, they had surrounded your 3rd army and that's why you guys chickened out.

we gave them food and water.
but its not what won the war. not only that.

[chaos]

destroyed the Bar lev line

wow, hundreds of egytptian tanks and a lot of infantry egyptian units were able to destroy defense line protected by a little unit. u guys are the best!!!1

[M Nabil]

wow, hundreds of egytptian tanks and a lot of infantry egyptian units were able to destroy defense line protected by a little unit. u guys are the best!!!1

Now you're dismissing Bar lev line as a weak defense line ? it was touted by israel as the strongest defence line ever made then.

[alokaa]

wow, hundreds of egytptian tanks and a lot of infantry egyptian units were able to destroy defense line protected by a little unit. u guys are the best!!!1

now barlev was a weak point
any way we won this war and we took our land sinai and egyptians thousands of them are working there and thats what egypt wanted
now m nabil leave this iranian guy dreaming in his pride he is just a kid

[Kermanshah1]

Do you have problems with comprehension ? Egyptian air force was not bombed on the ground.

Yes it was, I even heared Nasser himself talking abou it.

You don't even bother to read any source as you answered instantly, and no we didn't lose, Egyptian force crossed the canal, destroyed the Bar lev line, and held parts of Sinai. we achieved our strategic goal with the limited resources we had and I would take the words of a US Major any day over the mumblings of a low life like you.

You took a part of the Sanai, but you lost most of it and the Israeli's crosses the canal.

October 6–15 1973
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/1973_sinai_war_maps.jpg/781px-1973_sinai_war_maps.jpg

October 15–24 1973
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/1973_sinai_war_maps2.jpg/781px-

lets say that iranian army is located in israel; u still cant attack egypt. egypt has one of the strongest ground forces in the ME. in the sea they beat u with bigger navy with american weapons. same about air, u wont be able to attack them, they have strong SAM and better air force. ground? it will be deadly combat, but egypt can win a war because of the better air force.

In that scenario, yes they can win at sea. But what strategical value would that have? Blockade Israel? In what way does that affect Iran? Only in the way that Israel would get involved. :roflmao3:

About the Air-land thing, ask the Iraqi's, Iran didn't even have an air force after 1983, all spare parts had finished and Iranian planes were on the ground most of 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987 and 1988. But still Iranians captured so much of Iraq. We achieved a stale mate without armoured or artillery support and without an air force, and there was only stale mate because the enemy had chemical gass. And our untrained soldiers were equipped with wooden rifles. Compare that to any war Egypt fought, they had planes, only they let them be destroyed. :roflmao3: They had tanks, and good ones too, but how affective were they? They had bigger numecial advantages than the Iranians had but that didn't help them. Their soldiers might have not been the best in the world, but they were trained and they had proper equipment. Plus their enemy beat them with conventional warfare, our enemy achieved stalemate with chemical gass.

we gave them food and water.
but its not what won the war. not only that.[/QUOTE]

[M Nabil]

Yes it was, I even heared Nasser himself talking abou it.

Heard ? give a source.



You took a part of the Sanai, but you lost most of it and the Israeli's crosses the canal.

You prove that you don't know what you are talking about every time :biggrin1:, Egypt only captured parts of Sinai in 1973, it didn't capture all Sinai. The israeli forces that crossed the canal were surrounded, suffered losses and failed to capture Ismailia or Suez.

[Kermanshah1]

Heard ? give a source.

I'll have to look for it. I saw a documentory about the Suez crisis, the British bombed your air force, I saw pilots talking about it and thing and I Nasser saying that it couldn't be the Israeli's wich bombed the planes because they didn't have those planes, they are british.


You prove that you don't know what you are talking about every time :biggrin1:, Egypt only captured parts of Sinai in 1973, it didn't capture all Sinai. The israeli forces that crossed the canal were surrounded, suffered losses and failed to capture Ismailia or Suez.

1.I know Egypt didn't capture the whole Sanai, they only captured a bit, I even posted a map of it.
2.The Israel's surrounded your forces, not otherway round and you guys then sued for peace and so the Syrians had to cancel their offensive.

[Kermanshah1]

:Roflmao3: I just looked back at my post and I said: You took a part of the Sanai

Than you said: You prove that you don't know what you are talking about Egypt only captured parts of Sinai in 1973, it didn't capture all Sinai.

:roflmao3:

[M Nabil]

2.The Israel's surrounded your forces, not otherway round and you guys then sued for peace and so the Syrians had to cancel their offensive.


The Syrians retreated at the beginning of the war before israeli forces crossed the canal.

The israeli forces that crossed the canal were surrounded and suffered losses.

[chaos]

just look how much jets and soliders israel lost, and how much egypt.

[M Nabil]

:Roflmao3: I just looked back at my post and I said: You took a part of the Sanai

Than you said: You prove that you don't know what you are talking about Egypt only captured parts of Sinai in 1973, it didn't capture all Sinai.

:roflmao3:


You took a part of the Sanai, but you lost most of it and the Israeli's crosses the

What does this mean ?

[Kermanshah1]

What does this mean ?

Most of the territory you captured.

[Kermanshah1]

The Syrians retreated at the beginning of the war before israeli forces crossed the canal.

The israeli forces that crossed the canal were surrounded and suffered losses.

just look how much jets and soliders israel lost, and how much egypt.

Exactly. :roflmao3:

2,600 killed - 8,500 killed. :laugh4:

[M Nabil]

just look how much jets and soliders israel lost, and how much egypt.

War is about achieving goals, how much the Soviet Union lost in WW2 ?

And as I said before our resources were limited.

[Kermanshah1]

War is about achieving goals, how much the Soviet Union lost in WW2 ?

And as I said before our resources were limited.

Not long as limited as ours were, you guys at least had tanks, planes and proper soldiers. We had students with wooden rifles charge at the cannons, and still they couldn't stop us. Can't say the same about your efforts. :laugh4:

[M Nabil]

Not long as limited as ours were, you guys at least had tanks, planes and proper soldiers. We had students with wooden rifles charge at the cannons, and still they couldn't stop us. Can't say the same about your efforts. :laugh4:

Lots of countries supported iran including israel.

[M Nabil]

So you fought only with wooden rifles ?

[Kermanshah1]

Lots of countries supported iran including israel.

Lots...

Let's see what we call lots:

Countries supporting Iraq:
United States (did everything in their power to save Iraq from falling including actually engaging with Iranian warships and sinking them)
Western World (gave them gass, money and planes)
Soviet Block (sold them billions of dollars worth of equipment)
Arab World (gave them bilions of dollars and bought them equipment)
China (sold them weapons)

Countries supporting Iran:
Syria...
Libya...
North Korea (helped us make Sahahb-1 missiles)
Israel (gave us spare parts for planes so that we could at least fly sorties to the troops)
China (sold some weapons to Iran)
US (gave a few ATGMs in return for hostages being released)

So you fought only with wooden rifles ?

The Basiji's did.

[mango994]

Egypt of course....

by the way, allies?
Not so. Just on the outside. In '67 so much hatred between those "allies" was exposed that the accepted attitude was that Egypt will keep marching into Jordan once it's done with Israel.
Also, Syria invaded Jordan when it looked comfortable.

Just to show you how greatly Israel's enemies are allied.

[Ya2]

So you fought only with wooden rifles ?

As far as i know an ak-47 is wooden :)

[Ya2]

Israel's losses:
400 tanks destroyed
600 tanks damaged/returned to service
102 planes shot down[4]
Egypt/Syria/Iraq's losses
2,250 tanks destroyed or captured
432 planes destroyed[4]

Your goal was to get the Sinai back, u had this size of army:

Egypt: 800,000 troops (300,000 deployed), 2,400 tanks, 2,400 armored carriers, 1,120 artillery units,[2] 690 airplanes, 161 helicopters, 104 Navy vessels,
Syria: 150,000 troops (60,000 deployed), 1,400 tanks, 800–900 armored carriers, 600 artillery units,[2] 350 airplanes, 36 helicopters, 21 Navy vessels,
Iraq: 60,000 troops, 700 tanks, 500 armored carriers, 200 artillery units,[2] 73 airplanes,[3]

Vs

415,000 troops,
1,500 tanks,
3,000 armored carriers,
945 artillery units,[2]
561 airplanes,
84 helicopters,
38 Navy vessels[3]

and as far as i know Egypt got the Sinai back during peace agreements not by war..

[Kermanshah1]

Israel's losses:
400 tanks destroyed
600 tanks damaged/returned to service
102 planes shot down[4]
Egypt/Syria/Iraq's losses
2,250 tanks destroyed or captured
432 planes destroyed[4]

Your goal was to get the Sinai back, u had this size of army:

Egypt: 800,000 troops (300,000 deployed), 2,400 tanks, 2,400 armored carriers, 1,120 artillery units,[2] 690 airplanes, 161 helicopters, 104 Navy vessels,
Syria: 150,000 troops (60,000 deployed), 1,400 tanks, 800–900 armored carriers, 600 artillery units,[2] 350 airplanes, 36 helicopters, 21 Navy vessels,
Iraq: 60,000 troops, 700 tanks, 500 armored carriers, 200 artillery units,[2] 73 airplanes,[3]

Vs

415,000 troops,
1,500 tanks,
3,000 armored carriers,
945 artillery units,[2]
561 airplanes,
84 helicopters,
38 Navy vessels[3]

and as far as i know Egypt got the Sinai back during peace agreements not by war..

He claims their objective was to make peace with Israel. :worried2: He sais Egypt offered peace but Israel rejected so they did this war and than got what they wanted, peace so they won. Even if this was true it would be a political victory but still a military defeat.

[M Nabil]

He claims their objective was to make peace with Israel. :worried2: He sais Egypt offered peace but Israel rejected so they did this war and than got what they wanted, peace so they won. Even if this was true it would be a political victory but still a military defeat.
I never said that, we wanted to regain our land.

[Kermanshah1]

I never said that, we wanted to regain our land.

Wich you did not do. Yeah afterwards but not with military.

[M Nabil]

Wich you did not do. Yeah afterwards but not with military.

No, with war and negotiations we took our land.

You are trying hard to prove that Egypt is weak, huh ? :biggrin1:

[Kermanshah1]

No, with war and negotiations we took our land.

You are trying hard to prove that Egypt is weak, huh ? :biggrin1:

On the ground we outnumber you 340,000 Vs. ~430,000 and including reseserves ect. 655,000-715,000 Vs. 1,170,000 properly trained and equipped forces and 11,000,000 Basiji volunteers, totalling 12,170,000.
And don't forget that this isn't the US we are talkig about wich if you are talking 700 thousand Vs. a milion you can say: but they are so well trained. These are the Egyptians wich are in most cases less well trained than the Iranians.
You got a big tank inventory, true but when you look at tanks wich actually can fight in a modern war Iran and Egypt are quite equal in numbers. And Iran has all those missiles in their arsenal, not only the ballistic missiles but the ATGMs, the Katyusha's, the artillery rockets, ect. They can give us the edge.

[Merchbanks]

No, with war and negotiations we took our land.

You are trying hard to prove that Egypt is weak, huh ? :biggrin1:

M Nabil,
I checked and double chekced, as far as Israel is concern, there was not a single serious appeal from the Egyptian goverment to the Israeli goverment, for getting the Sinai back in exchange for peace.

If such thing have happened it was never an official offer by Saddat. If it was the case, Israel would've agreed.

[M Nabil]

M Nabil,
I checked and double chekced, as far as Israel is concern, there was not a single serious appeal from the Egyptian goverment to the Israeli goverment, for getting the Sinai back in exchange for peace.

If such thing have happened it was never an official offer by Saddat. If it was the case, Israel would've agreed.
It was through US, and it was declined by Golda Meir, lots of sources say that.

Edit : Merchabanks, I found this http://jch.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/41/3/545

[M Nabil]

On the ground we outnumber you 340,000 Vs. ~430,000 and including reseserves ect. 655,000-715,000 Vs. 1,170,000 properly trained and equipped forces and 11,000,000 Basiji volunteers, totalling 12,170,000.
And don't forget that this isn't the US we are talkig about wich if you are talking 700 thousand Vs. a milion you can say: but they are so well trained. These are the Egyptians wich are in most cases less well trained than the Iranians.
You got a big tank inventory, true but when you look at tanks wich actually can fight in a modern war Iran and Egypt are quite equal in numbers. And Iran has all those missiles in their arsenal, not only the ballistic missiles but the ATGMs, the Katyusha's, the artillery rockets, ect. They can give us the edge.

Do you think Egypt doesn't have missiles, artillery rockets, and ATGMs ?

I'm done talking to you, you keep dreaming, our strength in every branch is clear.

[Kermanshah1]

Do you think Egypt doesn't have missiles and ATGMs ?

I'm done talking to you, you keep dreaming, our strength in every branch is clear.

I know you do, but we can fire 11,000 a minute. :wub2:

[Merchbanks]

It was through US, and it was declined by Golda Meir, lots of sources say that.

Ohoh! the Rogers plan I assume?

Are you kidding me?

Do you even know WHY it was declined by Golad Meir, or you just find it easier to say " it was because Israel did not want to " ?.

Israel HAD agreed to discuss the second plan, it was later REJECTED by Golda after Egypt deployed SAM's across the canal.


The Third plan was rejected by Israel since it included the full back out from Sinai, WITHOUT a promise to peace.

[M Nabil]

Ohoh! the Rogers plan I assume?

Are you kidding me?

Do you even know WHY it was declined by Golad Meir, or you just find it easier to say " it was because Israel did not want to " ?.

Israel HAD agreed to discuss the second plan, it was later REJECTED by Golda after Egypt deployed SAM's across the canal.


The Third plan was rejected by Israel since it included the full back out from Sinai, WITHOUT a promise to peace.

The source in my edit states it is other than Roger's plan.

[Merchbanks]

Edit : Merchabanks, I found this http://jch.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/41/3/545

It is very nice indeed, only it lacks the reasons for the Israeli rejection.

[Merchbanks]

The source in my edit states it is other than Roger's plan.

It also talks about the Roger plan, and the Jarring mission, which was also rejected because it did not promise peace after the immediate pull out from the Sinai.
Egypt also broke the agreement to freeze the military manuevers in the Canal, when it deployed SAM's, in there, which added to the fear in Israel that after the pull out, Egypt will attack ( since there was NO promise for peace. ).

[M Nabil]

It also talks about the Roger plan, and the Jarring mission, which was also rejected because it did not promise peace after the immediate pull out from the Sinai.
Egypt also broke the agreement to freeze the military manuevers in the Canal, when it deployed SAM's, in there, which added to the fear in Israel that after the pull out, Egypt will attack ( since there was NO promise for peace. ).
But it says this was a comprehensive settlement that met most of Israel's requirements regarding peace and it was rejected by Golda Meir.

[chaos]

I know you do, but we can fire 11,000 a minute. :wub2:

R-O-F-L !!

[Ya2]

I know you do, but we can fire 11,000 a minute. :wub2:

And 0 the next minute..

[Kermanshah1]

And 0 the next minute..

And continue firing them like that.

[mhdooo]

[QUOTE=Kermanshah1;246468]Egypt:


48 Dassault Mirage 5
16 Dassault Mirage 2000
14 Dassault-Breguet/Dornier Alpha Jet
170 Lockheed F-16 Fighting Falcon
32 McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II
24 Mikoyan MiG-21


Egypt has a number of planes thousands -16 more than the number reported:
30 F-16A Fighting Falcon
6 F-16B Fighting Falcon
136 F-16C Fighting Falcon
42 F-16D Fighting Falcon

[wow]

egypt would win obvouisly, look at there tank inventory lol with better aircraft and i think they got some awacs

[Kermanshah1]

No, Egypt does not have thousands of fighters...

[mhdooo]

There is no reason may lead to conflict between the two countries only if it changed the system of government in one of the two countries they are now allies are joint maneuvers .. But logically, if we look at the method of training, we find that Jordan excel in this regard either in terms of density numerical superiority we find there is a large Egyptian .

[wow]

egypt has a big army but its more quality then jordans so that means they ara way bigger and also have the most superior weopens and they must have better trained ones becuase they trained with the america

[abdou]

On the ground we outnumber you 340,000 Vs. ~430,000 and including reseserves ect. 655,000-715,000 Vs. 1,170,000 properly trained and equipped forces and 11,000,000 Basiji volunteers, totalling 12,170,000.


reminds me of a movie called "300" :wub2:

[Iranium]

reminds me of a movie called "300" :wub2:

why did you have to include this random insult?

2500 years ago Algeria or even all of the rest of the world could not raise an army of 1 million. Algeria probably still cannot raise an army of 1 million camels. ohh and remember even in the movie the persians(Iranians) won at the end:frown3:

[Kermanshah1]

reminds me of a movie called "300" :wub2:

We beat the Greeks in that battle and the film is all totall b-s. And even more important, we invaded Egypt.

[abdou]

why did you have to include this random insult?

2500 years ago Algeria or even all of the rest of the world could not raise an army of 1 million. Algeria probably still cannot raise an army of 1 million camels. ohh and remember even in the movie the persians(Iranians) won at the end:frown3:

why is that an insult? it does remind me of the movie....

we dont need a million...... you need all the help you can get ;)

[Kermanshah1]

why is that an insult? it does remind me of the movie....

we dont need a million...... you need all the help you can get ;)

Only in the movie of 300, the 300 Spartans had "the director" at their side, in real life there is no director, it's reall... And than we'll show you something...

[chaos]

And than we'll show you something...

u dont even live in ur country. rofl.

[Tallgeese]

FOR THE LAST TIME!


Jordan's beat Egypt, & we couldn't even inflict major damage on them. If it came to war with Egypt, (on paper) we wouldn't even get 1:1 casualty rates (we'd need 6:1 or 7:1 to even it out) but I'm predicting that the Egyptians would maul us in the air, on the ground & definately at sea. We may put up a good fight, but still, you don't expect a ChampCar to outpace a Formula 1 car, & besides, an F1 driver already has more experience, talent & training to get into the superior car in the first place!

[wow]

FOR THE LAST TIME!


Jordan's beat Egypt, & we couldn't even inflict major damage on them. If it came to war with Egypt, (on paper) we wouldn't even get 1:1 casualty rates (we'd need 6:1 or 7:1 to even it out) but I'm predicting that the Egyptians would maul us in the air, on the ground & definately at sea. We may put up a good fight, but still, you don't expect a ChampCar to outpace a Formula 1 car, & besides, an F1 driver already has more experience, talent & training to get into the superior car in the first place!

yep this is true they have a better airforce which means they can support there troops and bombard. they have alot of modern tanks which would do alot of damage but the navy wouldnt be that useful :worried2: except it would just sink the ships then just use that narrow gulf to enter. but jordan only spends $757.5 million on its military :worried2: egypt $2.44 billion + 1.3billion military aid from the USA

[alokaa]

what the hell is this
jordan is our first ally
jordan is our scond country
we wont fight except israel in this world

[snc128]

what the hell is this
jordan is our first ally
jordan is our scond country
we wont fight except israel in this world

well said,but
they are just making a comparison ;)

[Kermanshah1]

yep this is true they have a better airforce which means they can support there troops and bombard. they have alot of modern tanks which would do alot of damage but the navy wouldnt be that useful :worried2: except it would just sink the ships then just use that narrow gulf to enter. but jordan only spends $757.5 million on its military :worried2: egypt $2.44 billion + 1.3billion military aid from the USA

The power of your military can sertainly not be measured by your military spenditures. However when actually comparing the armies in this case Egypt is stronger.