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leftwing
09-24-2007, 08:22 AM
The real story of Baghdad's Bloody Sunday

Six days ago, at least 28 civilians died in a shooting incident involving the US security company Blackwater. But what actually happened? Kim Sengupta reports from the scene of the massacre

By Kim Sengupta

09/23/07 "The Independent" -- - The eruption of gunfire was sudden and ferocious, round after round mowing down terrified men women and children, slamming into cars as they collided and overturned with drivers frantically trying to escape. Some vehicles were set alight by exploding petrol tanks. A mother and her infant child died in one of them, trapped in the flames.

The shooting on Sunday, by the guards of the American private security company Blackwater, has sparked one of the most bitter and public disputes between the Iraqi government and its American patrons, and brings into sharp focus the often violent conduct of the Western private armies operating in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, immune from scrutiny or prosecution.

Blackwater's security men are accused of going on an unprovoked killing spree. Hassan Jabar Salman, a lawyer, was shot four times in the back, his car riddled with eight more bullets, as he attempted to get away from their convoy. Yesterday, sitting swathed in bandages at Baghdad's Yarmukh Hospital, he recalled scenes of horror. "I saw women and children jump out of their cars and start to crawl on the road to escape being shot," said Mr Salman. "But still the firing kept coming and many of them were killed. I saw a boy of about 10 leaping in fear from a minibus, he was shot in the head. His mother was crying out for him, she jumped out after him, and she was killed. People were afraid."

At the end of the prolonged hail of bullets Nisoor Square was a scene of carnage with bodies strewn around smouldering wreckage. Ambulances trying to pick up the wounded found their path blocked by crowds fleeing the gunfire.

Yesterday, the death toll from the incident, according to Iraqi authorities, stood at 28. And it could rise higher, say doctors, as some of the injured, hit by high-velocity bullets at close quarter, are unlikely to survive.

With public anger among Iraqis showing no sign of abating, the US administration has suspended all land movement by officials outside the heavily fortified Green Zone.

The Iraqi government has revoked Blackwater's licence to operate but it still remains employed by the US government. The Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, has, however, promised a "transparent" inquiry into what happened.

Blackwater and the US State Department maintain that the guards opened fire in self-defence as they reacted to a bomb blast and then sniper fire. Amid continuing accusations and recriminations, The Independent has tried to piece together events on that day.

The reports we got from members of the public, Iraqi security personnel and government officials, as well as our own research, leads to a markedly different scenario than the American version. There was a bomb blast. But it was too far away to pose any danger to the Blackwater guards, and their State Department charges. We have found no Iraqi present at the scene who saw or heard sniper fire.

Witnesses say the first victims of the shootings were a couple with their child, the mother and infant meeting horrific deaths, their bodies fused together by heat after their car caught fire. The contractors, according to this account, also shot Iraqi soldiers and police and Blackwater then called in an attack helicopter from its private air force which inflicted further casualties.

Blackwater disputes most of this. In a statement the company declared that those killed were "armed insurgents and our personnel acted lawfully and appropriately in a war zone protecting American lives".

The day after the killings, Mirenbe Nantongo, a spokeswoman for the US embassy, said the Blackwater team had " reacted to a car bombing". The embassy's information officer, Johann Schmonsees, stressed " the car bomb was in proximity to the place where State Department personnel were meeting, and that was the reason why Blackwater responded to the incident" .

Those on the receiving end tell another story. Mr Salman said he had turned into Nisoor Square behind the Blackwater convoy when the shooting began. He recalled: "There were eight foreigners in four utility vehicles, I heard an explosion in the distance and then the foreigners started shouting and signalling for us to go back. I turned the car around and must have driven about a hundred feet when they started shooting. My car was hit with 12 bullets it turned over. Four bullets hit me in the back and another in the arm. Why they opened fire? I do not know. No one, I repeat no one, had fired at them. The foreigners had asked us to go back and I was going back in my car, so there was no reason for them to shoot."

Muhammed Hussein, whose brother was killed in the shooting, said: "My brother was driving and we saw a black convoy ahead of us. Then I saw my brother suddenly slump in the car. I dragged him out of the car and saw he had been shot in the chest. I tried to hide us both from the firing, but then I realised he was already dead."

Jawad Karim Ali was on his way to pick up his aunt from Yarmukh Hospital when shooting started and the windscreen exploded cutting his face. " Then I was hit on my left shoulder by bullets, two of them another one went past my face. Now my aunt is out of hospital and I am sitting here. There was a big bang further away but no shots before the security people fired, and they just kept firing."

Baghdad's "Bloody Sunday" has become a test of sovereignty between the powers of the Iraqi government and the US. The Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, said: "We will not tolerate the killing of our citizens in cold blood." The shooting was, he said, the seventh of its kind involving Blackwater.

The company, which has its headquarters in North Carolina, is one of the largest beneficiaries of the lucrative occupation dividend, holding the contract to provide security for top-level American officials.

Its reputation in Iraq is particularly controversial. It was the lynching of four of the company's employees in 2004 which led to the bloody confrontation in Fallujah. The men's bodies were set on fire, dragged through the streets and then hung from a bridge. Blackwater personnel are recognisable from their "uniform" of wraparound sunglasses and body armour over dark coloured sweatshirts and helmets. Employees are thought to earn about $600 (£300) per day.

Sunday's shooting happened at Mansour, once one of the most fashionable districts of Baghdad, with roads flanked by shops selling expensive goods, restaurants and art galleries. In the height of the sectarian bloodletting between Shias and Sunnis earlier this year dead bodies would be regularly strewn in the streets. A semblance of safety has returned since, and Mansour was held up as an example of how the US military "surge" was cutting the violence.

We were in Mansour on Sunday when we heard the sound of a deafening explosion just after midday. Black plumes of smoke rose from a half-blasted National Guard (army) post near a mosque. Five or six minutes afterwards there was the sound of prolonged shooting towards the south.

Police Captain Ali Ibrahim, who was on duty near Nisoor Square, said: " We heard the bomb go off, it was very loud, but it wasn't at the square. The police were, in fact, trying to clear the way for the contractors when they became agitated, they opened fire. No one was shooting at them."

Asked about the witness accounts, Ali al-Dabbagh, an Iraqi government spokesman, confirmed: "The traffic policemen were trying to open the road for them. It was a crowded square and one small car did not stop, it was moving very slowly. They started shooting randomly, there was a couple and their child inside the car and they were hit."

© 2007 Independent News and Media Limited

hitler
09-24-2007, 06:01 PM
i have a question about the journalist's name. what is he/she?
it was criminal but american terrorism coupled with anglo bloodbath tactics makes the world less safe. the world should take away uk and usa axis WMD

Abbas
09-24-2007, 06:06 PM
Do you honestly think that any western Media outfit, or any American people where these people come from actualy give a damn about the murder's these private contactors are doing oversea's (and getting paid Big bucks)

Im sure some people in America do care, but that figure is very small.

You hear of people getting sick of muslims not denouncing terrorism but the standards are always doubled by those.

They should invite blackwater back to Iraq again so they can hang them from that bridge in Fallujah again.

Abbas
09-24-2007, 06:07 PM
The Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, said: "We will not tolerate the killing of our citizens in cold blood." The shooting was, he said, the seventh of its kind involving Blackwater.

hitler
09-24-2007, 06:34 PM
however what the american installed puppet can actually do is a matter all too different.
and no what double standards are you talking about? christians, eg aren't expected to denounce american atrocities just like muslims aren't? there isn't mcuh concern about christian muslim jewish when it comes to american atrocieties? it's well known american anglo axis of terror wmd owners need to be bombed to bring back safety on this earth
heil sieg!

Kiaar
09-24-2007, 09:24 PM
however what the american installed puppet can actually do is a matter all too different.
and no what double standards are you talking about? christians, eg aren't expected to denounce american atrocities just like muslims aren't? there isn't mcuh concern about christian muslim jewish when it comes to american atrocieties? it's well known american anglo axis of terror wmd owners need to be bombed to bring back safety on this earth
heil sieg!


Yes, we all know war has accomplished so much in the past and always ends all the problems in the world...

Oh wait, I got an idea! Let's just blow up so many nukes every human on the planet is killed, and then we won't have ANY problems anymore! It's brilliant!

John Superman
09-24-2007, 09:56 PM
They should invite blackwater back to Iraq again so they can hang them from that bridge in Fallujah again.

How is this not flaming?

Kiaar
09-24-2007, 10:30 PM
How is this not flaming?

Who exactly is he flaming?

Now, you may find what he said insulting, but it isn't flaming. Flaming would mean attacking a person (on this forum) directly.

Abbas
09-24-2007, 11:08 PM
To me Blackwater are same as these terrorists who cause mayhem and carnage, i do believe that way up the chain of command they get the nod to 'do completely what they want and no disregard for civvies at the best of times'

ive never looked at US army/marines etc as a murderers, there are elements that are corrupt, heck most of them are conscripted because they were promised a free plasma tv by the recruiters or they have no money etc.

Its sad when they die, because they died for someones lie.

Tbagger
09-25-2007, 12:16 AM
ive never looked at US army/marines etc as a murderers, there are elements that are corrupt, heck most of them are conscripted because they were promised a free plasma tv by the recruiters or they have no money etc.
The money and all that other good stuff is good to have though, but that's not the reason why most joined.

Exanimate
09-25-2007, 09:08 AM
If you people knew how little the enlisted get paid...I don't know how some of them can live off it.

Blackwater on the other hand...mercenaries making BILLIONS off bush' lies. How sad.

the witness
09-25-2007, 12:39 PM
the usa is the vortex of evil, they invented terrorism, they have their evil agenda perfected...they think. they're gonna get busted real soon.

Kiaar
09-25-2007, 12:42 PM
the usa is the vortex of evil, they invented terrorism, they have their evil agenda perfected...they think. they're gonna get busted real soon.

Define Terrorism please. And then tell me how it wasn't around before the US existed.

I like your colorful use of words too. I recommend trying to use actual facts/examples/details though, rather than generic "America sucks!" type comments. It's hard to take you seriously otherwise.

leftwing
09-25-2007, 05:46 PM
Want to hear the good news? Blackwater is about to buy its own Jet fighters! This time it can kill people with Uraniaum guided missiles instead of U-duds when the sand.. negroes.. hold them up in traffic!

This is so disgusting, why is'nt this being condemned? Why arent we seeing headline after headline as they do when muslims kill someone with western origin? It bases on simple rascism.

Here is the intervie by www.therealnews.com:

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=449&thisview=item#

Kiaar
09-25-2007, 06:54 PM
Want to hear the good news? Blackwater is about to buy its own Jet fighters! This time it can kill people with Uraniaum guided missiles instead of U-duds when the sand.. negroes.. hold them up in traffic!

This is so disgusting, why is'nt this being condemned? Why arent we seeing headline after headline as they do when muslims kill someone with western origin? It bases on simple rascism.

Here is the intervie by www.therealnews.com:

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=449&thisview=item#

I could ask you the same thing in other situations. When a muslim kills a muslim, it's sad, but no one really cares. When a Christian, or a Jew, or a Hindu kills a muslim though, all hell breaks lose.

It works the same way in the west. Any death is "sad" but in the end, it's "them" and "us." Regardless of the right or wrong of this, that's how it is everywhere. In the West, in the muslim world, everywhere.

leftwing
09-26-2007, 04:09 AM
True, but then its up to people like me and you who see how obviously stupid this mentality is for our race, and try explaining it to the warmongering factions on both sides who seek excuses for more murder.

But its interesting how so many people around the world, in Iran as well, lit candles or put flowers on your embassies across the globe after 9/11. I still havent seen one single vigile being held in the US for the half-million dead people in Iraq.

indianguy
09-26-2007, 06:15 AM
Last Updated: Tuesday, 25 September 2007, 16:34 GMT 17:34 UK
Iraq to end contractor 'immunity'

Blackwater has the contract to guard US diplomats in Iraq
The Iraqi interior ministry has said it has drafted legislation regulating private security companies following a shooting allegedly involving a US firm.
The new code would require contractors to be subject to Iraqi law and to be monitored by the Iraqi government.

The draft is being considered by the consultative State Shura Council before being passed to parliament for debate.

The circumstances of the shooting two weeks ago, in which 11 Iraqis died, are being investigated by a US-Iraqi panel.

The contractor under suspicion, Blackwater USA, has said its guards reacted lawfully to an attack on a US diplomatic convoy.

'Impunity'

A spokesman for the Iraqi interior ministry, Maj-Gen Abdul Kareem Khalaf, said the new guidelines would cover everything to do with the operations of private security contractors.

"The companies will come under the grip of Iraqi law, will be monitored by the interior ministry and will work under its guidelines," he said.

"They will be strictly punished for any [violations] on the street."

Blackwater is the biggest private security firm operating in Iraq, with contracts including protecting the US embassy in Iraq and its diplomatic staff.

Tens of thousands of often heavily-armed security contractors work in the country.

Correspondents say their behaviour has incensed Iraqis who view them as private armies acting with impunity on their soil.

The contractors are currently granted immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law by Order 17 of the Coalition Provisional Authority - the now-defunct interim body set up by the US-led coalition in the wake of the fall of Saddam Hussein.

The agreement was extended shortly before the CPA was disbanded in June 2004.

Last week, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki called for the US government to end its contract with Blackwater immediately, although on Monday he agreed they should await the findings of the probe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7012853.stm

indianguy
09-26-2007, 06:20 AM
US forces 'lure Iraqis with bait'

US Army snipers in Iraq are ordered to "bait" areas with explosives and ammunition and then kill whoever picks them up, according to court documents.
The classified programme is described in statements disclosed by lawyers for three US soldiers accused of planting evidence on Iraqis they had killed.

It is unclear how widely the tactic may have been used in Iraq or how many people may have died as a result of it.

The US army has declined to confirm whether the "baiting" policy exists.

"To prevent the enemy from learning about our tactics, techniques and training procedures, we don't discuss specific methods targeting enemy combatants," a spokesman, Paul Boyce, said on Monday.

Mr Boyce did say, however, that no programme authorised the use of "drop weapons" to make a killing appear legally justified, as the three snipers are accused of doing.

'Drop items'

In a sworn statement published by the Washington Post, the leader of an elite US Army Ranger sniper scout platoon, Capt Matthew Didier, described baiting as "putting an object out there that we know they will use, with the intention of destroying the enemy".

Basically, we would put an item out there and watch it," he said.

"If someone found the item, picked it up and attempted to leave with the item, we would engage the individual as I saw this as a sign they would use the item against US Forces."

Capt Didier said members of the US military's Asymmetric Warfare Group had visited his unit in January and given them "drop items" to be used "to disrupt the AIF [Anti-Iraq Forces] attempts at harming Coalition Forces and give us the upper hand in a fight", according to the Post.

The Asymmetric Warfare Group grew out of a taskforce created after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 to develop methods to combat roadside bombs.

Court martial

Within months of the "baiting" programme being introduced, three snipers from Capt Didier's platoon, which was attached 1st Battalion of the 501st Infantry Regiment, were charged with premeditated murder after using "drop items" to make shootings appear legitimate, according to the Post.

The court martial of one of the accused soldiers, Specialist Jorge Sandoval Jr, is due to begin in Baghdad on Wednesday.

He and Staff Sgt Michael Hensley are accused of leaving a spool of wire in a pocket of a man who Spec Sandoval shot in April. A third soldier, Sgt Evan Vela, is facing similar charges.

Gary Myers, a lawyer for Sgt Vela, said his client had acted "pursuant to orders".

"We believe that our client has done nothing more than he was instructed to do by superiors," Mr Myers told the Associated Press.

James Ross, the legal and policy director of Human Rights Watch, said the dispersal of ammunition and explosives by US forces as a method of targeting insurgents would present obvious human rights problems.

"It seems to me that there are all sorts of reasons that civilians would want to pick up ammunition that is sitting on the ground," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7012889.stm

One more feather on American army cap.

American Army tactics are working or not i dont know .. but i can feel how much humaliating Iraqis are feeling after knowing such type of incidents .

Abu Gharib was to insult physically and now this to kill more innocent iraqis by this baiting tricks and say more terrorists are killed .

not-now
09-26-2007, 09:56 AM
fox news is the worst lol