[Req] Pictures of Iranian tanks

[stunnerzinc]

Anyone have good pictures of Iranian tanks? Please post them.

Thx.

[Night]

http://www.nelmes.fsnet.co.uk/paxman/tanktog1.jpg

http://www.caerdroia.org/images/iraqwar/20030403-15-Iraqi-Tank.jpg

Sorry! :p I had too. Don't take offense in this, I'm sure IRan has some nice targets. I mean, tanks.

[hanjarsoldier]

no thats the way the 18 jews were cooked in the great merkava-4 tanks.

[Ahmadinejad]

night ur a ****ing idiot

[NEWUSER]

http://workstation20.archive.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/mbt.iran.zolfaqar.jpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/mbt.iran.zulfaghar.4.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar1-pic3.jpg

[Snauhi]

no that's the way the 18 Jews were cooked in the great merkava-4 tanks.

Not a single MK- 4 have been destroyed lol

[Parmenides]

Are there modern Iranian tanks? How good are they?
(I never heard good things about Iranian armor in the past)

[Snauhi]

Are there modern Iranian tanks? How good are they?
(I never heard good things about Iranian armor in the past)

Nope.. they are not any good... Upgraded T-72's and stuff.... they have their own tank called Z-3 but its just a collection of T-72 and a M-60..

[Arashi]

http://www.caerdroia.org/images/iraqwar/20030403-15-Iraqi-Tank.jpg

Sorry! :p I had too. Don't take offense in this, I'm sure IRan has some nice targets. I mean, tanks.

Why should we take offense when you post pictures of destroyed Iraqi Tanks? It only fills us with pride :)
BTW, why do people highlight the first two letters in Iran?

[Parmenides]

BTW, why do people highlight the first two letters in Iran?

Because they remove their finger from SHIFT too slow.

[Arashi]

Because they remove their finger from SHIFT too slow.

Some people seem to think IR stands for Islamic Republic :mad:

[Ahmadinejad]

Nope.. they are not any good... Upgraded T-72's and stuff.... they have their own tank called Z-3 but its just a collection of T-72 and a M-60..

coming from a guy that lives in a nation that is having a tough time dealing with one of Iran's puppets.

[Night]

night ur a ****ing idiot
Hey, would a mod please warn him for this comment? Clearly out of bounds and against forum rules.

[Mr.Perfect]

Hey, would a mod please warn him for this comment? Clearly out of bounds and against forum rules.

its done, respect members here all

[stunnerzinc]

NEWUSER, thanks for the pics. Anymore pics?

BTW, stop flaming please.

[Mr.Perfect]

Some people seem to think IR stands for Islamic Republic :mad:

is not? at least that is what i thought:confused:

[Snauhi]

coming from a guy that lives in a nation that is having a tough time dealing with one of Iran's puppets.

Tough time? Why?

[G-Capo]

Tough time? Why?

How is the weather this time around in Israel buddy?

[Ahmadinejad]

Hey, would a mod please warn him for this comment? Clearly out of bounds and against forum rules.

Well then you shouldnt have made such a dumbass comment earlier. Oh noes.. i lost 4 point.. boo hoo hoo, i'd gladly lose 4 points for defending iran's dignity.

[G-Capo]

Iran has no dignity closed to the world and makes N.Korea look like a vacation home.

[Ahmadinejad]

great G-capo.. here we go again.. and to think i was going to send u a gift basket

[G-Capo]

I keed i keed you know that ;)

[Arashi]

is not? at least that is what i thought:confused:

The IR in IRan, that is.

[Mr.Perfect]

The IR in IRan, that is.

are u sure?

[Arashi]

are u sure?

Iran means Land of the Aryans. Iran = Aryana
You're not familiar with your own country's history? :confused:

[Mr.Perfect]

Iran means Land of the Aryans. Iran = Aryana
You're not familiar with your own country's history? :confused:
no i mean IR is not islamic republic cuase even on the Irania bill is writing like that,IRIF
Islamic republic IRAn forces,
Iran Iran forces
it deosnt make sense to me

[Arashi]

no i mean IR is not islamic republic cuase even on the Irania bill is writing like that,IRIF
Islamic republic IRAn forces,
Iran Iran forces
it deosnt make sense to me

Yes, you're right. That was what I was saying - I think :confused:. Nevermind anyway

[Aimster]

mrk-4 tank has been lost in Lebanon.

Stop acting as if they are invincible.

[Night]

Of course they arent. But theyre much better then anything Iran has.

[Mr.Perfect]

Of course they arent. But theyre much better then anything Iran has.

ok General tell us what Iran has cause even me i want to know.

[Night]

Upgraded T-72's (Like Saddam) and an indigenious tank which is just a sloppy conversion of M-60 and T-72 tank parts.

[Mr.Perfect]

Upgraded T-72's (Like Saddam) and an indigenious tank which is just a sloppy conversion of M-60 and T-72 tank parts.

how about the new developments? can you send us some of thos things that Iran doesnt have? its funny though people like you say Iran even doesnt have tanks but has nucks, you know what i mean? you guys contradic one another.

[ThronStahl]

aaron sure has a big mouth,

really, are you getting paid for this or it's just your masochistic side who brings you here to be everybody's punching ball?

[Alex]

who is aaron????

[ThronStahl]

I was referring to the little boy with a big big mouth who seems to think markavas are invincible or something like that,

interesting to know another one has been destroyed.

[Alex]

then was the Z2 made? and can you post pics of it?

[G-Capo]

Z series of Iranian tanks is just Centurion and T-55 parts put together.I'am not even sure if it is real or not.

[PARHAMZ]

If you guys dont like the iranian army then leave this forum(accept g-capo because he loves persians:P).Has the armed forces of iran said the z-3 is conversion of M-60 and T-72 tank parts? If they did then slap me in the face because i never read anything about it.But if it's the western media mocking the z-3 then slap yourself.And i'm sure iran makes a good tank of his own it's still warming up, not like any country dares to attack us.How about the crappy missile handouts iran gave to hizbollah who are destroying the great merkavas.I mean iran is making much much more missiles that surely can bring down any tank.Armor piercing and everything.If you have youtube watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6URBD-AU2WQ i saw more attacks on israeli tanks.And btw everytime you haters make a new subject about iranian military first you said our soldiers sucked,we had a bad airforce,our missiles were cheap scuds,bad things about our navy,and now it's the turn to bash off iranian tanks.But we will have the last laugh were not going anywhere when we have our nukes and full weapon program we will see who laughs at the last.Peace...

[Ahmadinejad]

If you guys dont like the iranian army then leave this forum(accept g-capo because he loves persians:P).Has the armed forces of iran said the z-3 is conversion of M-60 and T-72 tank parts? If they did then slap me in the face because i never read anything about it.But if it's the western media mocking the z-3 then slap yourself.And i'm sure iran makes a good tank of his own it's still warming up, not like any country dares to attack us.How about the crappy missile handouts iran gave to hizbollah who are destroying the great merkavas.I mean iran is making much much more missiles that surely can bring down any tank.Armor piercing and everything.If you have youtube watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6URBD-AU2WQ i saw more attacks on israeli tanks.And btw everytime you haters make a new subject about iranian military first you said our soldiers sucked,we had a bad airforce,our missiles were cheap scuds,bad things about our navy,and now it's the turn to bash off iranian tanks.But we will have the last laugh were not going anywhere when we have our nukes and full weapon program we will see who laughs at the last.Peace...


great post!! bravo!! bravo!!

[riotcity]

nice video. the invincible MK4 is ready for the junkyard ;)

edit: i found another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc0aDqnszc0

[masterfx]

upgrading t-72, t-55 really is pointless...... u guys needs to come up with a brand new design... like t-84(russia), ZTZ-99(china), MBT 2000(pakistan), type 96(china) and etc....

[Ahmadinejad]

..like the zulfigar master?

[masterfx]

..like the zulfigar master?
pic helps.......

[PersianChico]

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/english/nla/images/mehrancapchiefexsm.jpeg

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/for/force12.jpg

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/war/war20.jpg

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/for/force6.jpg

http://hemaseh.com/pictures/pictures/0083-11.jpg

http://hemaseh.com/pictures/pictures/0509-33.jpg

http://www.shiaimages.net/data/media/62/1-IRIAF-General(044).jpg

:roflmao3:

[untouchable]

So much for your invincible merkava.

http://www.botinok.co.il/spaw/images/Merkava%20caido%20en%20picada%20(web).jpeg
http://merkava.defense-update.com/merkava-3D-smoke-balata.jpg

[NEWUSER]

So much for your invincible merkava.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3274/1620/1600/Merkava%20caido%20en%20picada.jpg
http://merkava.defense-update.com/merkava-3D-smoke-balata.jpg

:roflmao3:

Tell me about it, it's entire reputation was based on fighting rocks..

[PersianPrince]

A pathetic tank made by a even more pathetic country.

[masterfx]

looks good except the armour looks abit too thin....
btw i have a question coz i seen in serveral photos like this where u guys turn the turret backwards..... just wondering y... is it an unique feature from being 'backstab' by other tanks?
http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/for/force6.jpg

[Ahmadinejad]

no, i think its to take up less room and c'mon it looks waaay kooler backwards ^^ i love the paintjob and the symbol on the side.

[Alex]

Z3 looks like a challenger imho. and their was a project in shah era that after revoultion went to the brittish and they made callenger so Z3 may be based on callenger.

[masterfx]

it doesnt look similiar to anything..... guess is a true unique iranian tank....

[Janbaz]

The reason that the The Gun is backward is because, the Tank is riding on a Truck and the Gun would hit the cabin of the Truck if it was placed forward.

[arteshi]

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/english/nla/images/mehrancapchiefexsm.jpeg

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/for/force12.jpg

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/war/war20.jpg

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/for/force6.jpg

http://hemaseh.com/pictures/pictures/0083-11.jpg

http://hemaseh.com/pictures/pictures/0509-33.jpg

http://www.shiaimages.net/data/media/62/1-IRIAF-General(044).jpg

:roflmao3:

That first group of Chieftains are actually ex Iran, they were capured by the Iraqis and Mko.

[masterfx]

The reason that the The Gun is backward is because, the Tank is riding on a Truck and the Gun would hit the cabin of the Truck if it was placed forward.
coz i cant c the truck in tat pic.... ROFLMAo

[Ahmadinejad]

yeah hes right , i noticed during the parades all the tanks are on trucks so the treads dont wear out and dont damage the pavement

[masterfx]

yeah hes right , i noticed during the parades all the tanks are on trucks so the treads dont wear out and dont damage the pavement
come on it would be nicer for tanks to have some exercise

[YakiKadafi]

http://hemaseh.com/pictures/pictures/0083-11.jpg

I love this Pic.Watch it everytime:)

[Alex]

what apc does iran make? and does iran build m113?

[ThronStahl]

Iran produces an IFV called BORAGH which mates the hull of BMP with the rollers wheels and tracks of M-113, and another one named BMT-2 which so far is rarer

moreover it has still modified M-113s Soviet/Russian BMPs, BTRs, Brazilian EE-9/11s...

...I am glad seeing the number of indigenously produced Iranian weapons soaring and setting to surpass the older foreign weapons since it's a sure sign Iran is growing independent of foreign sales.

[ThronStahl]

And by the way...

...the MBTs in the pics are british Chieftains of 1970-vintage, the only pictures of Zolfaqar Tanks were the ones with the ACIG logo on it posted some pages ago.

Zolfaqar tanks are widely hyped and reliable data on them very hard to get by, I heard numerous sources stating they're better than M1A1 Abrams.

Not all the sources were Iranian...

[Alex]

did they say the reason

[JAWilliams]

Please, the M1 is a good tank battle proven, I was very skeptical of a gas turbine engine on a tactical vehicle when they first came out but now I'm a believer. U.S. Tank Crews are very well trained are yours?

[Persian Gulf]

Iranian tanks in the first day of "Zarbat Zolfaghar" wargame.

http://www.mehrnews.com/mehr_media/image/2006/08/216430_orig.jpg

http://www.mehrnews.com/mehr_media/image/2006/08/216433_orig.jpg

http://www.mehrnews.com/mehr_media/image/2006/08/216432_orig.jpg

[Alex]

what tanks and apc's are being used in this wargame?

[ThronStahl]

It seems T-72z and BMP-2,

the T-72z is the local Iranian mod of the T-72 they bought under Rafsanjani in 1989-90 and the BMP-2 is the well known soviet-era IFV.

[Soroush]

what tanks and apc's are being used in this wargame?

T-72S and BMP-2...

[Alex]

isn't Z3 being used? or other iranian made stuff?

[ThronStahl]

T-72 'S'?

I thought they were called T-72 'Z'...

please enlighten me,

[masterfx]

looks well equiped and trained so tat must be iranian's elite units..... but wat will the rest of the units looks like?

[AK54]

Zolfaqar tanks are widely hyped and reliable data on them very hard to get by, I heard numerous sources stating they're better than M1A1 Abrams.

you mean this thing?

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/4108/zolfaghar3pic18gc.jpg

:roflmao3:

[SS_Charlemagne]

T-72 'S'?

I thought they were called T-72 'Z'...

please enlighten me,

T-72 S is not the same as T-72 Z. T-72 S I think is the most advanced version of the russian T-72, whereas T-72Z is the name of the iranian T-55/T-62 and Type-59/69 tanks upgraded, also known as Safir-74, if I am not wrong...

[SS_Charlemagne]

I've read also about the "Safir 86" tank in some web that I don't remember. There are no many references about it, but I think that was an improvement of the Safir-74. Any ideas?

And another question to the iranian experts: what is the real number (aproximate) of T-72 tanks in iranian army. Is a question that has been done sure before, but I never found a certain answer. I've found that someone claims that only about 400-500 or less (mostly israelians and americans sources and guys that participates in forums like this) and others that says that around 1000-1500 or even more than 2000 T-72. For sources I think are serious, the number may be at least 1141. What do you think? or what do you know?

[ThronStahl]

you mean this thing?

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/4108/zolfaghar3pic18gc.jpg

:roflmao3:

Yes I mean that one, precisely,

as carefully as you can scour the web that pic is the only good one of the thing, as you can see the shadowy shroud is still thick around it and its capabilities,

[Ahmadinejad]

i swear it looks so much like an abrams

[arctic]

to be honest its look like a toy. =\

[Ahmadinejad]

to be honest its look like a toy. =\

then go play with it kiddo

[ThronStahl]

As far as looks go it seems like a cross between an M1 and a Leopard 2,

but it's the INSIDE that matters!

;-)

[SS_Charlemagne]

As far as looks go it seems like a cross between an M1 and a Leopard 2,

but it's the INSIDE that matters!

;-)

That's true. And for what the rumours says, is not a bad thing...

[arctic]

then go play with it kiddo

ok daddy
but just after the tank will be able to drive alone.:)

[SS_Charlemagne]

http://casusbelli.iespana.es/tierra/leo2e_01.jpg

http://casusbelli.iespana.es/tierra/leo2a4_01.jpg

Two photos of Leopard 2. The first is a spanish Leopardo 2E (Leopard 2 A5), the second a german Leopard 2 A4. Just for comparison... :)

[ThronStahl]

Zolfaghar's hull is real similar to the Spanish one...

[ThronStahl]

the german one I meant...sheeeeesh!

[SS_Charlemagne]

Well, Leopard 2 A4 is an older version, Leopard 2 A5 is the most modern. Spain is producing under license more than 200 Leopard A5 (called "Leopardo 2 E") and also has few more than 100 Leopard 2 A4 rented for the german army - and they also will be finally acquired, I think. Good tanks, but in a few number.

[Janbaz]

No matter what it's look like, the Zolfaghar-3 is still a test bed MBT and will not be mass produced. They are still testing it, and modifying it so, it is MBT in progress.

[MrWanted]

Zolfaghar's hull is real similar to the Spanish one...

the german one I meant...sheeeeesh!

Exactly what I thought when I saw it.


Leopardo 2 E:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/klein_leodk.jpg

[ThronStahl]

To Al-Andalus:

there is no need to add 'est' to 'Delenda israel'...the use of the passive gerundive form in Lating already implies the verb 'to be',

as perhaps you could remember from 'Delenda Carthago' = Carthage has to be destroyed.

BTW a Roman would use 'iudea' instead of 'israel',

;-)

[SS_Charlemagne]

To Al-Andalus:

there is no need to add 'est' to 'Delenda israel'...the use of the passive gerundive form in Lating already implies the verb 'to be',

as perhaps you could remember from 'Delenda Carthago' = Carthage has to be destroyed.

BTW a Roman would use 'iudea' instead of 'israel',

;-)

Hey, you know latin well (better than me, indeed) :)
Yes, I wanted to use Iudea, but for not mistake... By the way, "Delenda est Israel" is a book's title about the "anti-semitism" in spanish fascism.

[SS_Charlemagne]

"Israel" not only refers to the sionist entity, of course...

[SS_Charlemagne]

Some more spanish Leopard pics:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/DSC_0227.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/leopardo79zj.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/leopardo4oq.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/leopardo62xa.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/leopardo98tr.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/DSC_0180.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/DSC_0210.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/DSC_0244.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/MAC1966/DSC_0249.jpg

[SS_Charlemagne]

Cato always finished his speeches saying: Delenda est Carthago! (or Delenda Carthago!) :D

[Jonathan M. Finegold]

Awesome thread; no wonder I wanted to join La Brunete. :) Just have to get my degree!

[charliebravo]

Wich are the improvements made in this T-55????, looks different to the Type72Z

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/10_002.jpg

cheers

[Pylyp Orlyk]

It is a modernized T-55. I think Iran did the upgrade themselves so some things might be different but here is the typical Ukrainian upgrade scheme. Looks like they went a little overboard on the ERA.:worried2:

http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/t55agm.php?menu=def2.php

[The_Kingdom]

It is a modernized T-55. I think Iran did the upgrade themselves so some things might be different but here is the typical Ukrainian upgrade scheme. Looks like they went a little overboard on the ERA.:worried2:

http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/t55agm.php?menu=def2.php

Looks good!

[Pylyp Orlyk]

Looks good!

Reason I said overboard because they covered the track sides with the explosive armour. That's rather dangerous to accompanying infantry and provides no real extra protection for the tracts. Thats why you don't see it on Ukrainian, Russian, Chinese, Pakistani or any other ERA wielding nation.

[Janbaz]

This is the new Iranian Navy Cannon that has a range of 19KM with rapid fire. They said only three country are building this type of cannon, US, Italy and Iran. The Iranian one is consist of 25000 moving parts.


http://www.mehrnews.com/mehr_media/image/2006/09/224475_orig.jpg

[Janbaz]

Has any one red this news before???

End in Sight for Merkava Tank

Billions of dollars and 37 years later, the Merkava tank production line will be phased out over the next four years. Thousands of workers will be affected by the change.


The Merkava has been one of the most expensive projects in the history of the Israeli military, with estimated costs ranging from US $ 7.5 billion to US $10 billion since its conception in 1969 by Major-General Israel Tal.

Thousands of Israelis are employed in production plants and other related military industries that are involved in manufacturing the tank. It is not yet clear how the shutdown will impact the economy. It is certain that many workers will lose their jobs and primary source of income.

According to the Globes business news website, the IDF made the decision to end production of the tank shortly before the recent war with Hizbullah in southern Lebanon broke out. Although the Merkava has enjoyed a reputation for years as being the safest tank in the world, it proved vulnerable to the new, advanced Russian-made anti-tank missiles used by Hizbullah. During the war, 47 tanks were hit by rockets and two were destroyed by roadside bombs, resulting in the deaths of 33 IDF soldiers.

Defense officials are currently debating whether the tank is still useful altogether in modern-day ground warfare, having been designed primarily for classic tank-on-tank battles. The cost-benefit ratio over the years has been questioned, not only by defense officials, but by others as well.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=112828 (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=112828)

[Din]

looks good except the armour looks abit too thin....
btw i have a question coz i seen in serveral photos like this where u guys turn the turret backwards..... just wondering y... is it an unique feature from being 'backstab' by other tanks?


They're typically turned to allow easier transport on low-loaders etc, basically it means somebody was lazy when unloading them or didn't want them powered up, or that's just the way they locked the turrets instead of at the front and back like most other tanks in the world do.

The Merkava isn't really a tank, its mostly an anti-insurgency armour platform, its designation as a tank is just a desperate claim by Israeli's and others alike. I will never recognise the Merkava series as anything more than an overarmed Infantry Fighting Vehicle, mostly because it tries to do too many things at once. It has a troop compartment, main gun, anti-infantry machine guns, front mounted engine and mortar. It has numerous design flaws that would result in having itself handed to them by an organized armoured force, or somebody who has a decent long-range infantry weapon to shoot out the periscopes.

Iranian Armour is still fairly inferior to all Western Armour platforms, relying for the most part on upgrading technology, such as the T-55 to a 105mm gun and the addition of alot of bulky "ERA" style armour additions (still one cycle behind the present Western 120mm)

The Zulfakir tank is an oddity. A combination of two tanks from opposing armour ideaologies creates an interesting conundrum, wether the tank is suitable, or even if it could stand up against current Western armour in either fire-control or performance tests would require it to take part in the Armour competitions usually held in Canada.

[PeterV]

http://casusbelli.iespana.es/tierra/leo2e_01.jpg

http://casusbelli.iespana.es/tierra/leo2a4_01.jpg

Two photos of Leopard 2. The first is a spanish Leopardo 2E (Leopard 2 A5), the second a german Leopard 2 A4. Just for comparison... :)

All Leopards are German, and by the way: it's the best tank ever build... (of course, it's german)

[Janbaz]

The life of Tank as a MBT and a measure to infelect heavy losses on the enemy is coming to an end. Most western countries are reluctant to design a new tank, since a $5000 dollar armor pearcing rocket can destroy $40 Million dollar MBT.

In late 90's (1998, 1999) Hughes Aircraft in southern California start a research about future battel tanks (partly were founded by US and British Goverments). They concluded that the life of MBT is coming to end, and the best is smaller, remote control Tanks that can fire rapidly to disable enemy tanks and APC. These small robotic Tanks are intelligent Tanks. How do I know this? Smilling.

[Mujahid786]

Some people seem to think IR stands for Islamic Republic :mad:

y have u got a problem with that?

[Persia4ever]

nice tanks.

[ironbar]

The life of Tank as a MBT and a measure to infelect heavy losses on the enemy is coming to an end. Most western countries are reluctant to design a new tank, since a $5000 dollar armor pearcing rocket can destroy $40 Million dollar MBT.

In late 90's (1998, 1999) Hughes Aircraft in southern California start a research about future battel tanks (partly were founded by US and British Goverments). They concluded that the life of MBT is coming to end, and the best is smaller, remote control Tanks that can fire rapidly to disable enemy tanks and APC. These small robotic Tanks are intelligent Tanks. How do I know this? Smilling.

$ 40,000,000 tank
what tank cost this much??

[Cedric]

This is the new Iranian Navy Cannon that has a range of 19KM with rapid fire. They said only three country are building this type of cannon, US, Italy and Iran. The Iranian one is consist of 25000 moving parts.




25000 moving parts!? LOL, very inefficient.

I do not know of any advanced cannon with 25000 moving parts. The new US rail guns probably have less than 40 moving parts.

[ironbar]

Wich are the improvements made in this T-55????, looks different to the Type72Z

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/10_002.jpg

cheers

this has to be a joke what country in this age still uses t-55:roflmao3:

[SuperSixOne]

this has to be a joke what country in this age still uses t-55:roflmao3:

You have to remember, 3rd world countrys fight 3rd world countrys. Any Armor is good armor.

[Observer]

y have u got a problem with that?

yes I do.. because it doesn't

we already had some in detail talks about this.. but this not the right place.. go make a topic somewhere and we'll talk all about it..

[JEskandari]

25000 moving parts!? LOL, very inefficient.

I do not know of any advanced cannon with 25000 moving parts. The new US rail guns probably have less than 40 moving parts.
I can laugh at it a .35 revolver has more than 40 moving part.

[Janbaz]

25000 moving parts!? LOL, very inefficient.

I do not know of any advanced cannon with 25000 moving parts. The new US rail guns probably have less than 40 moving parts.

It is all right. There are a lot of people here that they make fun of Irania Military hardware. NO PROBLEM.

Just a note: There was a big battel of Iranian Made weapons and US made weapons less than a 8 Months agao. Hezbulla Vs Israel. Israel with the most sofisticated weapons, and Hezbulla with (According to some of you with outdated Iranian Made weapons). I like to see how those people analyze the outcome of that war.

Iran is catching up, and they way they are improving and designing, they will catch up with most modern Western Technology not too far in distance future.

[Ricardo]

You have to remember, 3rd world countrys fight 3rd world countrys. Any Armor is good armor.

Im sure that you dont know what is a third world country:wub2:

[ironbar]

I can laugh at it a .35 revolver has more than 40 moving part.

a revolver with 40 moving parts????
:roflmao3:
it must be like shooting an earthquake

[ironbar]

It is all right. There are a lot of people here that they make fun of Irania Military hardware. NO PROBLEM.

Just a note: There was a big battel of Iranian Made weapons and US made weapons less than a 8 Months agao. Hezbulla Vs Israel. Israel with the most sofisticated weapons, and Hezbulla with (According to some of you with outdated Iranian Made weapons). I like to see how those people analyze the outcome of that war.

Iran is catching up, and they way they are improving and designing, they will catch up with most modern Western Technology not too far in distance future.

when did russian hardware became irianian hardware

[AK54]

It is all right. There are a lot of people here that they make fun of Irania Military hardware. NO PROBLEM.

Just a note: There was a big battel of Iranian Made weapons and US made weapons less than a 8 Months agao. Hezbulla Vs Israel. Israel with the most sofisticated weapons, and Hezbulla with (According to some of you with outdated Iranian Made weapons). I like to see how those people analyze the outcome of that war.

Iran is catching up, and they way they are improving and designing, they will catch up with most modern Western Technology not too far in distance future.im proud of iran too friend, but lets not be fools.

china is still far behind russia and the U.S. tech wise, iran is nowhere in sight.

[JEskandari]

a revolver with 40 moving parts????
:roflmao3:
it must be like shooting an earthquake
as it seems that you don't know a .35 caliber revolver have more than 150 part "More than an assault rifle like HK-G3" and more than 40 of it are movable .
a complete maintenance of such weapon take about 3 to 4 hours by some body which trained for it.
some of the part are smaller than 1mm.

[ironbar]

as it seems that you don't know a .35 caliber revolver have more than 150 part "More than an assault rifle like HK-G3" and more than 40 of it are movable .
a complete maintenance of such weapon take about 3 to 4 hours by some body which trained for it.
some of the part are smaller than 1mm.

i personall own over 100 guns, rifles, shot guns from all over the world
none of then have 150 moving parts:roflmao3:

[ironbar]

What's this suppose to be?

i think that its a tow underarmour using and old us m114 personal carrier

[Sajjad]

What's this suppose to be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiesel_1

[JEskandari]

i personall own over 100 guns, rifles, shot guns from all over the world
none of then have 150 moving parts:roflmao3:
You have an impressive collection but it change nothing
It has 40 moving part and 110 fixed part.
and as i said it has more moving part than rifles or guns and simply not to mention shotguns you see as one time master Yoda said " Size does not matter "

[attitude]

well its not a tank but its iranian and here you go
http://www.irandefence.net/gallery/data/503/1iriafgeneral0391rp.jpg

[attitude]

and here are some iranian army Chieftans
http://www.irandefence.net/gallery/data/503/iranian_chieftan.jpg

[Janbaz]

im proud of iran too friend, but lets not be fools.

china is still far behind russia and the U.S. tech wise, iran is nowhere in sight.


You are absolutly right if you are analyzing just the News. There are many areas in Military design and development. In most areas Iran is behind and as I said earlier in my previous post, Iran is going to catch up not in too far of distant future. But at the same time, there are some very small areas that Iran is walking up the latter faster than western countries can say oh No.

[attitude]

Yes its not a tank but its Iranian and its a cool picture
Iranian HAWK SAM firing
http://www.irandefence.net/gallery/data/503/apr_Par_0019_Image.gif

[ironbar]

and here are some iranian army Chieftans
http://www.irandefence.net/gallery/data/503/iranian_chieftan.jpg

correction:
those are iraqui chieftans they were captured fron the iranians

[Sajjad]

Iran got shipment of Cheiftain from Britain during Shah, brother.

[ironbar]

Iran got shipment of Cheiftain from Britain during Shah, brother.

yes but the tanks in the above picture are tanks the iraqis captured
look at them close some are missing treads

[ironbar]

I can laugh at it a .35 revolver has more than 40 moving part.

maybe 40 parts but not moving parts

[Janbaz]

yes but the tanks in the above picture are tanks the iraqis captured
look at them close some are missing treads

Look again brother, it is not the Tread is missing. Compare the first one with the second in the background. You notice the treads are in tacked.

[JEskandari]

maybe 40 parts but not moving parts
40 moving part and more than 100 part you can take your .35 revolver to an specialist and ask him to open it for you as i said some part are only 1 mm.
never try to open it yourself because you cant assemble it for sure .
there are very few people who can assemble and disassemble it correctly in my military training in our barrack there was no person who could do it, and i was in police force which .35 revolver is one of their approved guns.

[ironbar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiesel_1

that thing is not a weisel

[PeterV]

coming from a guy that lives in a nation that is having a tough time dealing with one of Iran's puppets.

Yeah but he's a real authority on Iranian tanks.... :roflmao3:

[Sajjad]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/mattin4/kikikui.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/mattin4/k87l98l8u.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/mattin4/ikjii8i.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/mattin4/kkiiuu.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/mattin4/juuyuioo.jpg

[Sajjad]

that thing is not a weisel

Looks like it has exact same body to me.......

[ironbar]

get your glasses on
first the weisel has 5 road wheel
the "thing" has 4

the weisel road wheels have wholes in them
the "thing" has solid road wheels

the weisel has a hard down slope to the roof
the "thing" has a gentle slope

the rear of the track of the weisel is on the ground
the rear of the track of the"thing" is in the air

look at these differenced closely an you can see it is a different vehicle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M114.jpg

that is what your vehicle is based on

[Janbaz]

get your glasses on
first the weisel has 5 road wheel
the "thing" has 4

the weisel road wheels have wholes in them
the "thing" has solid road wheels

the weisel has a hard down slope to the roof
the "thing" has a gentle slope

the rear of the track of the weisel is on the ground
the rear of the track of the"thing" is in the air

look at these differenced closely an you can see it is a different vehicle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M114.jpg

that is what your vehicle is based on

What are you smoking Ironbar?

[ironbar]

it is the same vehicle
the top has bee cut away and more amour added on the sides
the top hatch is closed but the crew can get through the back

alot of people never heard of a m-114 only thw m-113
but they were built at the same time and the us exported them all over

[JEskandari]

it is the same vehicle
the top has bee cut away and more amour added on the sides
the top hatch is closed but the crew can get through the back

alot of people never heard of a m-114 only thw m-113
but they were built at the same time and the us exported them all over
Its definietly is not Wiesel 1 maybe inspired but it not the same and i'm sure it hasn't the same inspiration from M114 how you reached such conclusion its very smaller than M114 compare it with the people beside it

[JEskandari]

it is the same vehicle
the top has bee cut away and more amour added on the sides
the top hatch is closed but the crew can get through the back

alot of people never heard of a m-114 only thw m-113
but they were built at the same time and the us exported them all over
Its definietly is not Wiesel 1 maybe inspired but it not the same and i'm sure it hasn't the same inspiration from M114 how you reached such conclusion its very smaller than M114 compare it with the people beside it
but by the way i think by the name of the picture the person who originally posted it thought its a Zulfaqaqr MBT !:err2:

[ironbar]

no the m114 is very small way smaller that the m113 it was meant to be a scout vehicle like the weisel but wasnt very good because it couldnt get over barriers

[JEskandari]

no the m114 is very small way smaller that the m113 it was meant to be a scout vehicle like the weisel but wasnt very good because it couldnt get over barriers
but still bigger by 1 meter in each direction

wiesel 1
Weight 2.75 tonnes Length 3.55 m Width 1.82 m Height 1.82 m
M114
Length 4.46 m Width 2.33 m Height 2.39 m Weight 15,000 lbs

[ironbar]

exactly
the vehicle in the picture the"thing" is way larger than the weisel and just the right size as the m114
just what i was saying all along

[ironbar]

but still bigger by 1 meter in each direction

wiesel 1
Weight 2.75 tonnes Length 3.55 m Width 1.82 m Height 1.82 m
M114
Length 4.46 m Width 2.33 m Height 2.39 m Weight 15,000 lbs

as you can see the "thing" is larger than the weisel and just the right size for the m114
it is what i was saying all along

[ironbar]

40 moving part and more than 100 part you can take your .35 revolver to an specialist and ask him to open it for you as i said some part are only 1 mm.
never try to open it yourself because you cant assemble it for sure .
there are very few people who can assemble and disassemble it correctly in my military training in our barrack there was no person who could do it, and i was in police force which .35 revolver is one of their approved guns.

if my commander gave me a revolver with 100 parts and 40 moving parts i'd kick him in the balls:frown3:

[JEskandari]

if my commander gave me a revolver with 100 parts and 40 moving parts i'd kick him in the balls:frown3:
You like it or not like it and its so but about commander as i know if you are not a commander you wont get one at all in army ,but if you want to kick someone ball you can try Police force they usually use such weapons.

[JEskandari]

as you can see the "thing" is larger than the weisel and just the right size for the m114
it is what i was saying all along
i wont tell its wiesel but it is clearly smaller than m114

[JEskandari]

if my commander gave me a revolver with 100 parts and 40 moving parts i'd kick him in the balls:frown3:
and for clearing it you wont have too open it completely my instructor told us there are three stage in maintaining it and we only need to learn the simplest one it took less than 15 minutes but as i said the complete maintenance must be done with maintenance crew and it take some hours.

[ironbar]

and for clearing it you wont have too open it completely my instructor told us there are three stage in maintaining it and we only need to learn the simplest one it took less than 15 minutes but as i said the complete maintenance must be done with maintenance crew and it take some hours.

that is crazy
we are talking about a revolver
it take 15 minute too service any revolver i have

[ironbar]

i wont tell its wiesel but it is clearly smaller than m114

no it isnt look at the size compare to the tow launcher and you can tell how big the vehicle is
it is based on an m-114 that your country imported in the 60's

[ironbar]

http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=AFV35014
as you can see the tow takes up close to half the vehicle length
on the "thing" its about 1/3
http://www.eaglehorse.org/4_ftx_gunnery/equipment/m114/m114_intro.htm

[JEskandari]

no it isnt look at the size compare to the tow launcher and you can tell how big the vehicle is
it is based on an m-114 that your country imported in the 60's
No Ironbar if you compare it with the people beside it's height cant be more than 1.8 M which is 60Cm Less than M114 and its lenght at must be 3.5 not 4.5 its width is 2 meter .so it cant be m114 also if you look at the frontal angle its diffrent too.
now if you look at the underside of it its clearly diffrent than wiesel so i say as much it look like a wiesel its not thyat and also its not M114 it must be something like Saeqe (a combination of f18 and f5 in design)

[JEskandari]

that is crazy
we are talking about a revolver
it take 15 minute too service any revolver i have
as i said a simple maintenance of a .35 revolver (I used two version American Made and Brazilian Made) like any other revolver took less than 15 minuetes
but a complete maintenance of it like any other modern revolver take more than 3 hours by a specialist.

[JEskandari]

http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=AFV35014 (http://www.greatmodels.com/%7Esmartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=AFV35014)
as you can see the tow takes up close to half the vehicle length
on the "thing" its about 1/3
http://www.eaglehorse.org/4_ftx_gunnery/equipment/m114/m114_intro.htm
this image the mentioned machine
http://workstation20.archive.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/mbt.iran.zolfaqar.jpg

this is wiesel
file:///C:/Users/DR3DE1%7E1.JAL/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://images.kitlink.com/Products/images/Afvclub/AFV35014.JPG


and this is m114


http://www.eaglehorse.org/4_ftx_gunnery/equipment/m114/m114_i3.jpg



Now we can compare them
as for the tow luncher its the same with wiesel if you compare them

I dont know why you have fixed your mind that its m114

[ironbar]

it is what it is
the m114 is the only 4 road wheel track vehicle in modern exestence

[JEskandari]

it is what it is
the m114 is the only 4 road wheel track vehicle in modern exestence
yes its what it is and i dont know what it is, but i can see clearly that m114 is clearly larger than this machine.