Russians in Syria to upgrade defense systems

[Sajjad]

Russians in Syria to upgrade defense systems
02/10/2007

The Times of London reported Tuesday that Russia has sent technicians to upgrade Syria's air defense system after Israeli electronic warfare systems allowed IAF warplanes to attack a target in Syria last month.

The Times account also said that the airborne electronic warfare system, which it said jammed the Russian-made radar and the Syrian army's communications, was "believed to have been designed in readiness for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear sites." The Israeli military on Sunday lifted censorship on the fact that the air force carried out an air strike against a target deep in Syrian territory on September 6th.

But censorship remained in effect on critical details of the mission, including the nature of the target. Syrian President Bashar Assad confirmed an Israeli raid last month had targeted an abandoned military base in Syria.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=26041&language=en

[worldleader]

grain of salt anyone? times uk?

[Kiaar]

If this is accurate, it does at least confirm that American ECM is highly effective against even more modern AA batteries, and that doesn't even include stealth or the fact that whatever Israel has probably isn't quite on the cutting edge either.

[Vladimir80]

If this is accurate, it does at least confirm that American ECM is highly effective against even more modern AA batteries, and that doesn't even include stealth or the fact that whatever Israel has probably isn't quite on the cutting edge either.

How? The raid was outside of Damascus and the Golan where ALL the good stuff would be located. They came in from the least defended side against 30 year old air defences. It wasn't much of a test.

[Ayyash]

Any info on exactly what AA defense the IAF actually passed over?

[Merchbanks]

If this is accurate, it does at least confirm that American ECM is highly effective against even more modern AA batteries, and that doesn't even include stealth or the fact that whatever Israel has probably isn't quite on the cutting edge either.

If any case, whether they were F-15I F-15A\B\C\D or F-16C\D\I

The Electronic Warfare systems are Israeli.

No american EW suites are installed on Israeli jets.

[Voozio]

Any info on exactly what AA defense the IAF actually passed over?

I think that this info would be classified by all three countries involved.
Syria, Israel and Russia (thats of course assuming they know, what AA systems installed along the flight route.)

[Ya2]

How? The raid was outside of Damascus and the Golan where ALL the good stuff would be located. They came in from the least defended side against 30 year old air defences. It wasn't much of a test.

but in 1982 it was a test ?

[Vladimir80]

but in 1982 it was a test ?

You still flying the same old tired F-15 frames.

[Ayyash]

I think that this info would be classified by all three countries involved.
Syria, Israel and Russia (thats of course assuming they know, what AA systems installed along the flight route.)

Well, probable AA then

[Ya2]

You still flying the same old tired F-15 frames.

You get angry cause i'm right and change subject but it's ok , our F-15s have a kill ratio of 0:40(or 50).

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-15/F-15.htm

[Merchbanks]

You still flying the same old tired F-15 frames.

Those "old" F-15 ALL passed the Baz-2000 upgrading program.

The entire avionic suites, computers, weapon systems, and basically everything important in the aircraft are highly upgraded.
Also, CFT ( additional fuel tanks ) was added to all of them, like in the F-15I.

F-15A-D in the IAF are almost in the same grade of the F-15I, besides the engines and few EW suites which are more capable in the 'I' model.

[Vladimir80]

There still the same air frames... as much as you fly them they must be ready for the scrap yard.

[chaos]

vlademir - the F15s in IAF are pretty good and can deal with any threat, from syrya to eygpt.

[Merchbanks]

There still the same air frames... as much as you fly them they must be ready for the scrap yard.

Many parts of the F-15 airframes were replaced. Some a lot some less, depends on the aircraft.
A team from Boeing was in Israel for about 8 years, deciding which parts to replace, and if needed to replace.

I'll say those F-15 can fly another 15-20 years.

[Ya2]

There still the same air frames... as much as you fly them they must be ready for the scrap yard.

When any Russian-made equipment will shoot down a f-15 and not the other way around, only than you'll be able to talk about the junk-yard..

[Vladimir80]

When any Russian-made equipment will shoot down a f-15 and not the other way around, only than you'll be able to talk about the junk-yard..

Indian Su-30s owned F-15s in Cope India.

[Ya2]

Indian Su-30s owned F-15s in Cope India.

Give a link please..

Israeli jets can shoot 360* so all the su-30's dogifght efforts are useless

[Vladimir80]

Give a link please..

Rep. Duke Cunningham (R-CA) said in a Feb. 26 House Appropriations defense subcommittee hearing that U.S. F-15Cs were defeated more than 90 percent of the time in direct combat exercises against the IAF.

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/exercise-iaf-usaf-su30-f15-article01.html

Israeli jets can shoot 360* so all the su-30's dogifght efforts are useless

Unless they want their Pythons to come up their tail pipes that's retarded.

[zstar]

This development doesn't prove anything.

I credit Israeli planning and America assistance for this incursion made into Syrian territory.

The fact is much of the equipment Russia and any country exports is downgraded. Even this latest upgrade won't be the latest and cutting edge Russia has in their inventory.

We see in the past that Russian SAM missiles are capable of hitting Stealth aircraft as seen in Serbia with the F-117, It all depends on how the equipment is used and utilised. If certain functions aren't working to specs then modifications are made, It's trial and error that's how war works.

[chaos]

We see in the past that Russian SAM missiles are capable of hitting Stealth aircraft as seen in Serbia with the F-117,

as i know it wasnt tracked by the radars, but was a lucky shot, no?

i have no doubt that russian SAM are great, maybe the best (well, better then american or western systems).

vlademir-

Unless they want their Pythons to come up their tail pipes that's retarded.
wtf? i dont understand..

[Vladimir80]

wtf? i dont understand..

Do you not understand what 360 degrees off-boresight actually means?

[chaos]

Do you not understand what 360 degrees off-boresight actually means?

ah yeah rofl just now i read it.
it is 180.

[ironbar]

How? The raid was outside of Damascus and the Golan where ALL the good stuff would be located. They came in from the least defended side against 30 year old air defences. It wasn't much of a test.

the russians always have a million excuses why their equipment doesnt work
the truth is, is that its lousy when campared to american equipment
the new radars supplied to syria didnt even see the jets coming and they got away after finishing the mission
fro what syria has paid over the years for russian equipment this is an embarrasment

[Relikt]

the russians always have a million excuses why their equipment doesnt work
the truth is, is that its lousy when campared to american equipment
the new radars supplied to syria didnt even see the jets coming and they got away after finishing the mission
fro what syria has paid over the years for russian equipment this is an embarrasment
And your US radars would see jets?
Why the F*** US have AWACS? To see low flying threats and those Israel jets were just that.

P.S. Libya or Syria downed in '70 or '80 Hawk eye for distance of 100km. US believe that distance is enough protection for Hawk eye. They find out how SA-5 can be deadly. So you too had failures too.

[Bumble Bee]

This is propaganda to make Israelis look like winners in their failed attempt. The initial article never even said the radars were jammed. It said soon as the IAF were detected they fired and fled. Nothing about a jam. This nonsense is a spin the israelis are adding to improve their image. Syria's airdefenses have proven to be effective as the israelis fled.:)

[Merchbanks]

This is propaganda to make Israelis look like winners in their failed attempt. The initial article never even said the radars were jammed. It said soon as the IAF were detected they fired and fled. Nothing about a jam. This nonsense is a spin the israelis are adding to improve their image. Syria's airdefenses have proven to be effective as the israelis fled.:)

Than how come the Israeli aircraft came and bombed the target, got out, without getting shot down?

This is a failure, not effectivness.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

Than how come the Israeli aircraft came and bombed the target, got out, without getting shot down?

This is a failure, not effectivness.

You meen droped their ordenence and ran away.

[chaos]

have u seen pictures of the bombs?

just one fuel tank.

brainwashed kid.

[Assad]

Than how come the Israeli aircraft came and bombed the target, got out, without getting shot down?

This is a failure, not effectivness.

Please provide pictures/proof of damaged/hit syrian site...oooppps i guess you dont have any duh...hence this is all hearsay...

[ironbar]

This is propaganda to make Israelis look like winners in their failed attempt. The initial article never even said the radars were jammed. It said soon as the IAF were detected they fired and fled. Nothing about a jam. This nonsense is a spin the israelis are adding to improve their image. Syria's airdefenses have proven to be effective as the israelis fled.:)

no they bombed the target and that is why the russians are going to syria to see if they can fix the problem
the system involved was the sa-15 or tor-m system which iran bought about 30 to protect their nuke sites
the russians say that this system can shoot down stealth plane and cruise missles what a joke'
iran spen 1billion on this crap
tor-m must mean 'lousy crap" in russian:roflmao3:

[Behrooz Boonabi]

have u seen pictures of the bombs?

just one fuel tank.[QUOTE]



I havn't seen any picures of it. I heard on some israeli news that israel has pictures but they have not been released.


[QUOTE=chaos;265977]brainwashed kid.

Personal insults are not alowed on this forum so consider this a warning. Since I am a secure individual, and well aware of israeli media teachings of hate, I am not offended by your comments and I actualy feel bad for what they did to you. I was fortunate to grow up with a satellite system in my house and was educated in several countries abroud.

[Assad]

have u seen pictures of the bombs?

just one fuel tank.

brainwashed kid.

have you seen pictures of the supposed bomb site? no....
can you provide pictures of the supposed bomb site? no....
ok then, can you at least locate the supposed bomb site clearly and without any trepedation on a map of Syria? no....

...so WHOS THE BRAINWASHED KID?

...In any case Israel has only declared that they carried out an operation against Syria... there is no RELIABLE information to state what if anything was hit. Further any statments regarding a nuk site coming from washington post or NY time correspondents is complete and utter garbage...

[ironbar]

This is propaganda to make Israelis look like winners in their failed attempt. The initial article never even said the radars were jammed. It said soon as the IAF were detected they fired and fled. Nothing about a jam. This nonsense is a spin the israelis are adding to improve their image. Syria's airdefenses have proven to be effective as the israelis fled.:)

it was syria that said that their radars were jammed not isreal and they asked the russians why this happenedof course the isrealis fled after they bombed the place what were they supposed to do land and have a cup of tea with the syrians:roflmao3:

[Behrooz Boonabi]

it was syria that said that their radars were jammed not isreal and they asked the russians why this happenedof course the isrealis fled after they bombed the place what were they supposed to do land and have a cup of tea with the syrians:roflmao3:

Source? :roflmao3:

[chaos]

Since I am a secure individual, and well aware of israeli media teachings of hate, I am not offended by your comments and I actualy feel bad for what they did to you.

they did nothing to me. truth hurts, ah?

syria itself said that we attacked.

have you seen pictures of the supposed bomb site? no....
can you provide pictures of the supposed bomb site? no....
ok then, can you at least locate the supposed bomb site clearly and without any trepedation on a map of Syria? no....


the fact is that israeli jets were deep inside syria and were not shot down - we won.

[Assad]

they did nothing to me. truth hurts, ah?

syria itself said that we attacked.



the fact is that israeli jets were deep inside syria and were not shot down - we won.

...ahhheemm won??? that my friend is a farcical statment...

[Relikt]

Low flying jet is hard thing to detect. Airborne radar is best solution. So this is not Russian technology failure but something else. One of reasons why Syria is buying Mig-31 is AWACS role for older Migs.

[BornB4]

it was syria that said that their radars were jammed not isreal and they asked the russians why this happenedof course the isrealis fled after they bombed the place what were they supposed to do land and have a cup of tea with the syrians:roflmao3:Syria NEVER said this and Israeli pilots never said this. This was something concoted by Israeli media. When IAF pilots entered the airspace, they didn't expect to be detected because they didn't intend to be. They intended to provoke Syria into a violent response. When the IAF ented Syria they were caught offguard, by being traced by radar, upon this they dumped their missiles into nowhere and headed for the border.

This is not the response of a pilot that jams radars. Once radars are jammed the pilot is free to fly about as needed. However, the IAF aircraft lacking this ability to jam Syrians simply hi-tailed it outta there soon as they were traced. The attack was a thwarted failure thanks to the Syrian airdefense forces. The Israeli pilots never stood a chance as the Syrian antiaircraft guns repelled them so well that the aircraft dropped tanks as they fled the defense systems.

[Merchbanks]

Syria NEVER said this and Israeli pilots never said this. This was something concoted by Israeli media. When IAF pilots entered the airspace, they didn't expect to be detected because they didn't intend to be. They intended to provoke Syria into a violent response. When the IAF ented Syria they were caught offguard, by being traced by radar, upon this they dumped their missiles into nowhere and headed for the border.

This is not the response of a pilot that jams radars. Once radars are jammed the pilot is free to fly about as needed. However, the IAF aircraft lacking this ability to jam Syrians simply hi-tailed it outta there soon as they were traced. The attack was a thwarted failure thanks to the Syrian airdefense forces. The Israeli pilots never stood a chance as the Syrian antiaircraft guns repelled them so well that the aircraft dropped tanks as they fled the defense systems.

Oh dear, in which world do you live in?

[Behrooz Boonabi]

Oh dear, in which world do you live in?

At least he lives in a real country, something you don't understand.

[Merchbanks]

At least he lives in a real country, something you don't understand.

It is wonderfully wired that when I last checked the list of countries worldwide I did see my country in it.

Oh dear, it must have been a mistake!

[Behrooz Boonabi]

It is wonderfully wired that when I last checked the list of countries worldwide I did see my country in it.

Oh dear, it must have been a mistake!

I country has a government that reflects the population. White South Africa wasn't a country either. Confederate US is another non country.

[chaos]

Confederate US is another non country.


hey boonabi engineer, dont forget that this fake country has intel - a defense company!!!11

[ironbar]

And your US radars would see jets?
Why the F*** US have AWACS? To see low flying threats and those Israel jets were just that.

P.S. Libya or Syria downed in '70 or '80 Hawk eye for distance of 100km. US believe that distance is enough protection for Hawk eye. They find out how SA-5 can be deadly. So you too had failures too.

AWACS are for use away from america syria's homelqand was bombed by the isrealis

isreal did not get hawkeys until late 80 and none has been shot down
check your facts
muslims arent supposed to lie

[ironbar]

Source? :roflmao3:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:2710d024-5eda-416c-b117-ae6d649146cd&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

[Ya2]

AWACS are for use away from america syria's homelqand was bombed by the isrealis

isreal did not get hawkeys until late 80 and none has been shot down
check your facts
muslims arent supposed to lie

We had AWACS in 1982 war .. we got them in the '70s

[KMS_Tripitz]

Indian Su-30s owned F-15s in Cope India.


Yea when outnumbered, no awacs and no BVR missiles. I wonder why that happened when India was able to use awacs and outnumber the F-15.

In pure dogfighting yes the Su-30 has an advantage. But in a war with the US there wont be much dogfighting, you will be dead long before you get that close.

The good point of why the US does these exercises is the US learns on the strong points and weak points of these aircraft and can adapt strategies to combat it.

Try the Su-30 going up against an F-22 not a 30-40 year old aircraft design.

[cedar]

the f-15 eagle is not designed for dogfighting even the f-16s routinely win against it in exercises. the f-15 is designed to take out in long range as it has superior radars and missiles. The jadams missile can take out it target from 4oo kms away. So the sukhois would be beaten everytime in a war with the eagles.

Dogfighting could soon be a thing of the past.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:2710d024-5eda-416c-b117-ae6d649146cd&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

A blog isn't a source

[cedar]

if this report is true about usa new jamming technology then it shows usa gap over russia has widened after the soviet union collapsed.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

if this report is true about usa new jamming technology then it shows usa gap over russia has widened after the soviet union collapsed.

Its not true. In jamming you have to over power a signal.

[ironbar]

Its not true. In jamming you have to over power a signal.

no its doesnt it means you confuse the signal it can be the same power
you know syria got bombed so you might as well admits the isreal owns syria
iran has the same equipment and will suffer the same fate

[Behrooz Boonabi]

no its doesnt it means you confuse the signal it can be the same power
you know syria got bombed so you might as well admits the isreal owns syria
iran has the same equipment and will suffer the same fate

I think you better go back to school if you think an aircraft can generate enough power to jam a ground radar. :)

[IG]

Now one more news about the raid inside Syria

Nov 2, 2007 10:30 | Updated Nov 2, 2007 19:20
'USAF struck Syrian nuclear site'
By JPOST.COM STAFF

The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force, the Al-Jazeera Web site reported Friday. The Web site quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a suspected nuclear site under construction.


A US Air Force F-22 Raptor, an F-117 Nighthawk, an F-4 Phantom and an F-15 Eagle fly over Holloman Air Force Base, N.M.
Photo: US Air Force
The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes.

The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed.

At the beginning of October, Israel's military censor began to allow the local media to report on the raid without attributing their report to foreign sources. Nevertheless, details of the strike have remained clouded in mystery.

On October 28, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a strike on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria last month.

In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting, Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish prime minister, I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace, then there was no intention thereby, either in advance or in any case, to - in any way - violate or undermine Turkish sovereignty, which we respect."

The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6, citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports.

According to the report, Israel carried out the report to send a message that it would not tolerate even a nuclear program in its initial stages of construction in any neighboring state.

On October 17, Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a panel that an Israeli air strike hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria."

A UN document released by the press office had provided an account of a meeting of the First Committee, Disarmament and International Security, in New York, and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the raid.

However, the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency, SANA said media reports, apparently based on a UN press release, misquoted the Syrian diplomat

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380718519&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative

Even i doubt on this report .

[Merchbanks]

Pretty wired considering there're no more F-117A and F-4 in service within the US air force, and even if there were they wouldn't take part in any attack. ( the F-4 atlist ).

[IG]

Pretty wired considering there're no more F-117A and F-4 in service within the US air force, and even if there were they wouldn't take part in any attack. ( the F-4 atlist ).

so u mean not reliable news

[Ya2]

so u mean not reliable news

As far as i know Iran, Egypt and Turkey are the only to still use F-4s

[Vladimir80]

As far as i know Iran, Egypt and Turkey are the only to still use F-4s

Is this map of F-4 operators wrong?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/F-4_Phantom_operators.PNG

[Ya2]

USA stopped using them in 96..
They may exist in those countries but probably not in use and surely wont be used for such a secret attack when F-22s or F-15s can do a way better job

[Vladimir80]

USA stopped using them in 96..
They may exist in those countries but probably not in use and surely wont be used for such a secret attack when F-22s or F-15s can do a way better job

Doesn't the US still use them for target practice?

[Ya2]

Doesn't the US still use them for target practice?

the USA is rich but not crazy, they wont build new f-4s just to shoot them down, I wonder how many missiles test have been taken since 1996 and if any f-4 exists other than in museums

[Vladimir80]

the USA is rich but not crazy, they wont build new f-4s just to shoot them down, I wonder how many missiles test have been taken since 1996 and if any f-4 exists other than in museums

I know they don't build new one's but I think they refurbished old one's as target drones.

[KMS_Tripitz]

I know they don't build new one's but I think they refurbished old one's as target drones.

You guys are.

Its pure rubbish more like a practical joke. Look at this site with the phote. A F-117, F-22, F-4 and F-15 all flying together for a space and air expo.

Very funny they tried to report it as a Syrian strike, what a joke.

http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/200711112046.aspx

[Vladimir80]

You guys are.

Its pure rubbish more like a practical joke. Look at this site with the phote. A F-117, F-22, F-4 and F-15 all flying together for a space and air expo.

Very funny they tried to report it as a Syrian strike, what a joke.

http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/200711112046.aspx

You're right, strategy page is a joke.

[KMS_Tripitz]

You're right, strategy page is a joke.

The whole stroy is a joke, at least it reports the truth and not this none sense. Its a nice photo though.

[Ya2]

I know they don't build new one's but I think they refurbished old one's as target drones.

yes , i meant that they probably ran out of f-4s in the 11 years since it was taken out of service and are not crazy to build new ones just to shoot them down,..

[Vladimir80]

yes , i meant that they probably ran out of f-4s in the 11 years since it was taken out of service and are not crazy to build new ones just to shoot them down,..

I don't think any have been built for a VERY long time.

[Ya2]

I don't think any have been built for a VERY long time.

I was joking saying they have enough money to build them just for practice!

[ironbar]

the USA is rich but not crazy, they wont build new f-4s just to shoot them down, I wonder how many missiles test have been taken since 1996 and if any f-4 exists other than in museums

http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123026634

f-4 are used as drone targets by the air force
over 200 have been converted

[IG]

You guys are.

Its pure rubbish more like a practical joke. Look at this site with the phote. A F-117, F-22, F-4 and F-15 all flying together for a space and air expo.

Very funny they tried to report it as a Syrian strike, what a joke.

http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/200711112046.aspx

This news was on Israeli website and thats why i asked is it not reliable news ?

[IG]

Now one more News regarding that raid inside Syria.

Nov 3, 2007 13:28 | Updated Nov 3, 2007 13:32
'Syrian politics helped IAF air strike'

The secrecy under which Syria kept its nuclear development may have contributed to the success of Israel's alleged air strike against a nuclear facility in September, Aviation Week reported on Saturday.

Quoting unnamed Israeli sources, the report stated that due to internal politics within Damascus, the site was so highly classified that even the Syrian military was unaware of its existence. Accordingly, proper air defenses were never erected, thereby leaving the area vulnerable to aerial attack.

The report also noted Israel's use of advanced technology to conduct the attack, saying that intelligence gathered by the recently launched Ofek-7 spy satellite played a major role.

Details of the raid continue to remain elusive, with government officials refusing to comment on either the means or the target of the attack.

In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting last week, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Olmert said, 'In my conversation with the Turkish prime minister, I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace, then there was no intention thereby, either in advance or in any case, to - in any way - violate or undermine Turkish sovereignty, which we respect.'

Olmert, according to the statement, 'added that he had expressed Israel's apology to the Turkish government and to the Turkish people for any violation that may have occurred.'

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380724188&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Daily one news from Unnamed Sources .

[lBlackWaterl]

How? The raid was outside of Damascus and the Golan where ALL the good stuff would be located. They came in from the least defended side against 30 year old air defences. It wasn't much of a test.

Vladimir80, you need to it give up. Your systems failed, just admit it. syria admited,iran saw it, russia is acting on it, makes no sense for you to make up some other excuse. besides, you shouldnt be embarrased that your systems were defeated by a technologically superior military.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

Vladimir80, you need to it give up. Your systems failed, just admit it. syria admited,iran saw it, russia is acting on it, makes no sense for you to make up some other excuse. besides, you shouldnt be embarrased that your systems were defeated by a technologically superior military.

There is absolutely no proof the system failed. Syria said nothing to the affect whatsoever. I seems like FOX is your only news source.

[Merchbanks]

There is absolutely no proof the system failed. Syria said nothing to the affect whatsoever. I seems like FOX is your only news source.

But you still have to face the fact, the a building that was there, had disappeared, and that it had occured on Syrian soil, and they didn't manage to shoot any of the aircrafts down.

Secret, not protected, whatever, it is in Syria, and it is gone, and all aircrafts came back.

End of story.

[ironbar]

this is so typical of russian equipment
they make big claims of what their equipment can do but it always fail in action
always

[Intelectual]

Pretty wired considering there're no more F-117A and F-4 in service within the US air force, and even if there were they wouldn't take part in any attack. ( the F-4 atlist ).

Nowhere in that report mentions that the raid happened using F4 and F117. The picture pretty much is irrelevant to the report.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

But you still have to face the fact, the a building that was there, had disappeared,

You mean a tiny building in Syria likely to be a tool shed disappeared. OOOAAAhhh

[Behrooz Boonabi]

this is so typical of russian equipment
they make big claims of what their equipment can do but it always fail in action
always

Russian equipment has shot down plenty of American equipment.

[KMS_Tripitz]

You mean a tiny building in Syria likely to be a tool shed disappeared. OOOAAAhhh

I guess you didnt look atthe pictures. It was nearly exactly the same size as the north korean nuclear plant only smaller by a few meters.

You dont think the syrian defence were jammed or hacked? I'll quote it again for you. To prove me wrong try providing some evidence yourself. What was the building used for really. Why did the syrians remove the debre from a tool shed so quickly, why are the russians upgrading syrias defences, why did isreali planes return safely. You answer none of these questions and only provide your own unsubstaniated guess.

Suter Jamming.

Several of the Israeli F-15Is ("Ra'am" in Hebrew or "Thunder") conducted the strike on the Syrian site. The F-15I's modifications from the standard F-15E include the Israeli Elisra SPS-2110 Integrated Electronic Warfare System (its likely Suter jamming package).

Cyber warfare against other countries isn't limited to naughty but inscrutable Chinese hackers defiling US Defense computers or bearish Russians messing with Estonia's government computers. In serious military operations tactical hacking, better known as jamming, is a highly respected art and science practiced by the US and its allies.

Israel's curious airstrike on a Syrian "military building site" in early September 2007 has thrown the spotlight on a little known jamming technology known as "Suter".

That infallible source, Wikipedia, reveals the following short description:

"Suter is a military computer program developed by BAE Systems that attacks computer networks and communications systems belonging to an enemy. Development of the program has been managed by Big Safari, a secret unit of the United States Air Force. It is specialised to interfere with the computers of integrated air defence systems.[1]

Three generations of Suter have been developed. Suter 1 allows its operators to monitor what enemy radar operators can see. Suter 2 lets them take control of the enemy's networks and direct their sensors. Suter 3, tested in summer 2006, enables the invasion of links to time-critical targets such as battlefield ballistic missile launchers or mobile surface-to-air missile launchers.

The program has been tested with aircraft such as the EC-130, RC-135, and F-16CJ.[1] It has been used in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2006.[2][3]

U.S. Air Force officials have speculated that a technology similar to Suter was used by the Israeli Air Force to thwart Syrian radars and sneak into their airspace undetected in Operation Orchard on September 6, 2006.

The evasion of air defence radar was otherwise unlikely because the F-15s and F-16s used by the IAF were not equipped with stealth technology.

More.

Besides the ability to locate and identify the target, it took new technology to defeat the Russian made air defense systems that Syria paid a whole lot of money for, and which were supposedly designed to prevent this outcome.

The Israelis apparently used a system called Suter, and it's a technological terror for terrorist regimes and the Russians because it can apparently defeat any air defense system in the world. It's also constantly evolving and being upgraded to deal with threats as they become known.

This system is referred to as Suter, and such a program has been described in trade journals for several years now. The basic elements of Suter are powerful sensors, for detecting all manner of electronic emissions. This is coupled with some very fast computers, and a large database of known emitters. The computer software quickly identifies the emitters, and potential entry points into enemy communications networks. Suter transmitters can shut down some or all enemy emitters, just monitor them, or inject misleading information.

Naturally, with a system like this, the users don't want to discuss details. For once lots of details are known, systems like Suter are easier to defeat. To that end, within days of the September 6 attack, Russia had technical people in Syria, trying to figure out what Suter, or whatever, had done to the modern Russian early warning systems Syria was using. Iran was also demanding answers, and what the Russians told the Iranians initially was not pleasant. The Iranians won't say what the Russians told them, but the fall out was a lot of very unhappy Iranian military people. Some Russian techies are telling the Syrians and Iranians that the September 6th raid was actually a gift, because now more is known about what Suter can do, making it easier to defeat the system. That talk sounds more like damage control, because Suter has been described as a rapidly evolving system. The Russian air defense radars and computers may now be better able to deal with the September, 2007, version of Suter. But that advantage will fade quickly over the next few months as Suter continues to evolve.

And more.

Aviation Week thinks the success of the attack might be down to use of the "Suter" airborne network attack system. The technology, was developed by BAE Systems and integrated into US unmanned aircraft by L-3 Communications, according to unnamed US aerospace industry and retired military officials questioned by Aviation Week.

Instead of jamming radar signals, Suter uses a more sophisticated approach of "hacking" into enemy defences.

"The technology allows users to invade communications networks, see what enemy sensors see, and even take over as systems administrator so sensors can be manipulated into positions so that approaching aircraft can't be seen," Aviation Week explains. "The process involves locating enemy emitters with great precision and then directing data streams into them that can include false targets and misleading message algorithms."

Suter is said to have being "tested operationally" in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last year, according to Aviation Week. Syria reportedly recently bought two state-of-the art radar systems from Russia, reckoned to be Tor-M1 launchers that carry a payload of eight missiles, as well as two Pachora-2A systems. Iran recently bought 29 of these Tor launchers from Russia for $750m in order to defend its nuclear sites.

The apparent failure of these systems in detecting and responding to the Israeli raid therefore poses questions for arms manufacturers and armies all the way from Damascus to Moscow and over to Tehran.

[Ya2]

it's good to be 30 years ahead of your enemies..

[cedar]

this is bad news for iran it has the same russian air defence stuff. If i were iran and syria i want money back.

[Iranian Guards]

it's good to be 30 years ahead of your enemies.. yeah it is good that hundreds of thousands effective missiles are pointing to your country.

[Behrooz Boonabi]

it's good to be 30 years ahead of your enemies..

Long and hard begging to reach that goal. :)

[ironbar]

Long and hard begging to reach that goal. :)

isreal owns syria
during the last war with lebanon isreali jets buzzed the syrian presidential palace the syrians could do nothing
lebanon got pounded to dust the syrians did nothing
this is a weak country

[Ya2]

yeah it is good that hundreds of thousands effective missiles are pointing to your country.


What type of missiles ? Ridiculous as usual? Qassam=>Katusha=>Shehab all are ridiculous.