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PARSI PRIDE
11-11-2007, 12:49 AM
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.


That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.



Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk


American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.


By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.


According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.


The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.


One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.





Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel


The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.


And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.


According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.


It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.


Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".


The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.


Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.


Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.


He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.


"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811

Sokuy30
11-11-2007, 02:58 AM
I bet he came up and said , Is something wrong Here?
I heard this about 7 month ago, It was screw up , Like the paint job in persian Gulf!!!!
Sun lay fai law, Gong hay fat chuy, Maka Hi!
I am Practicing my Knese.

Cedric
11-11-2007, 03:14 AM
More propaganda, I highly doubt that the Chinese sub was undetected. A carrier battle group would be using active SONAR, no sub can hide.

It was in international waters and had every right to surface near the battle group and the US navy had no right to destroy it. It probably sufaced because it heard topedo doors open from a US sub that was right behind it.


.

Behrooz Boonabi
11-11-2007, 03:16 AM
More propaganda, I highly doubt that the Chinese sub was undetected. A carrier battle group would be using active SONAR, no sub can hide.

Because it is magical. :)

Behrooz Boonabi
11-11-2007, 03:17 AM
I bet he came up and said , Is something wrong Here?
I heard this about 7 month ago, It was screw up , Like the paint job in persian Gulf!!!!
Sun lay fai law, Gong hay fat chuy, Maka Hi!
I am Practicing my Knese.

I bet quite a few soiled there pants. :roflmao3:

mustavaris
11-11-2007, 04:39 AM
Heh.

...we cannot really know what happened.

Chinese will tell that they sneaked there, Americans are wise if they say nothing. Let the Chicoms worry whether they were seen or not.. and in peace time you aint gonna be able to sink the unknown subs anyway.

Relikt
11-11-2007, 08:10 AM
More propaganda, I highly doubt that the Chinese sub was undetected. A carrier battle group would be using active SONAR, no sub can hide.

It was in international waters and had every right to surface near the battle group and the US navy had no right to destroy it. It probably sufaced because it heard topedo doors open from a US sub that was right behind it.


.
U you have active sonar!!!
Superb achievement.

I talk on net with retired US navy dude. Even Soviet Victor class could make nice troubles to most advanced US equipment. So Victor which is noisy as washing machine could hide and sneak. What about Chinese battery subs?
There was many examples where old battery subs sink US carriers in exercises.

AIP subs are much more deadlier then battery subs. I dont know those China have AIP subs.

P.S. I think USN need to retire Kitty Hawk because that carrier is domed :) years ago Su-27 and Su-24 fly over it in two separate days. Couple years after Il-28 (museum jet) fly over Kitty Hawk too.

Relikt
11-11-2007, 08:41 AM
Was it a "made in China" sub?
made of brittle plastic, and the Navy Sailors treated like slaves inside?
This what USA what. Indians hate Chinese and reverse.

Sokuy30
11-11-2007, 09:07 AM
This what USA what. Indians hate Chinese and reverse.
Leave my indian friends alone, Chinese love curry chicken.
There are no problem between china & India, It is west concept!
you love curry , you love India. Only time i have problem with curry food, When I have to visit Israel(John).

Kermanshah1
11-11-2007, 09:19 AM
Was it a "made in China" sub?
made of brittle plastic, and the Navy Sailors treated like slaves inside?

Made with poisoness material. :roflmao3:

Colt
11-11-2007, 09:50 AM
Did you read the article? The Chinese officially are claiming that they didn't know the carrier was there and it was just a coincidence (not really possible when you have sonar and there's a carrier group blaring louder than 100 freight trains right next to you). It's the US who is saying that China snuck in and is trying to intimidate the US. There are plenty of other articles (this all happened a long time ago) that discuss this and include quotes from admirals and the like. The US got caught with their pants down, nothing more to it. Subs are an extremely difficult thing to stop if the sub is run by good tacticians.

More propaganda, I highly doubt that the Chinese sub was undetected. A carrier battle group would be using active SONAR, no sub can hide.

It was in international waters and had every right to surface near the battle group and the US navy had no right to destroy it. It probably sufaced because it heard topedo doors open from a US sub that was right behind it.


.

IR.IRAN
11-11-2007, 09:59 AM
interesting indeed, looks like the US have once more underestimated another competing power:wub2:

Plato
11-11-2007, 10:02 AM
The U.S. should just follow my advice create the best air defence network and the most powerful nuclear weapons, and leave other spending on home infrastructure build up. And just do what Russia did and declare we have a doomsday device so that if the United States is attacked we launch all our nuclear weapons. And then we should focus on solving problems as China has been, with a pen and paper.

IR.IRAN
11-11-2007, 10:04 AM
The U.S. should just follow my advice create the best air defence network and the most powerful nuclear weapons, and leave other spending on home infrastructure build up. And just do what Russia did and declare we have a doomsday device so that if the United States is attacked we launch all our nuclear weapons. And then we should focus on solving problems as China has been, with a pen and paper.

the US is too busy drawing plans on its emperialistic plans and destruction to the countries that oppose its actions. It doesnt really think about anything else:wub2:

chaos
11-11-2007, 11:55 AM
another american trick to get more money for developing the most advance weapons in the world.

Vinay
11-11-2007, 01:09 PM
I will not flame further.

I love Chinese. Just cant stand their barbarian hordes which they call PLA and their dictators

Sinosphere
11-11-2007, 01:21 PM
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

Kitty Hawk
Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans".

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811

Kiaar
11-11-2007, 02:04 PM
Seems like a stupid thing to do. They're revealing their capabilities and showing the US military what holes need to be plugged.

AK54
11-11-2007, 02:16 PM
isnt this like a year old? why is it being brought up again?

QQ阿
11-11-2007, 05:22 PM
They just popped up to say hello, nothing more.