Alon9
11-21-2007, 02:11 PM
I was wrong!
-- This is a LONG article of 3,355 words. If you don't like reading LONG articles, by all means, go away --
"Knowledge and human power are synonymous, since the ignorance of the cause frustrates the effect". ~Francis Bacon
"The best memory is that which forgets nothing but injuries. Write kindness in marble and write injuries in the dust". ~Persian Proverb
Sokuy30 has surprised me the other day, and convinced me how wrong the "300" movie is, historically speaking, how foolish it is to think bad about King Cyrus the Great (“Hameleh Koresh” in Hebrew) and even about his grandson-in-law Xerxes (“Achashverosh" who took Jewish Ester as his Queen and gave Jews 2,400 years of peace), who was depicted in the movie as the half-naked African-looking brute, as the head of the crazy invading hoards. That is why I removed Sparta's king Lionides’s picture and humbly show the picture of King Koresh instead.
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Background:
“Nebuchadnezzar II”: Tyrant of ancient Iraq, he who scattered the sons of Israel all over the word, idol-worshiper, destroyer of Jerusalem, destroyer of Solomon's Temple, he who exiled King Zedekiah:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II
“Babylon's Fallen Tyrant” - Saddam Hussein as current “Nebuchadnezzar”:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jerusalem/Babylons_Fallen_Tyrant.asp
Dispersion of the Jews around the world, after the first and second Temples were destroyed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
Being Jewish means being in love, not mired in baseless hatred. As I see it, being Jewish is following in the footsteps of King Koresh himself. Too many on this earth do not know all this, even deny it flat out, but the truth shall set you free.
Ahavat-israel.com (http://www.ahavat-israel.com/am/love.php)
"You shall not hate your brother in your heart", Vayikra Book (Leviticus) 19:17
"And you shall love your fellow Jew like yourself", Vayikra Book (Leviticus) 19:18
“One reason why this is such a serious sin is because it can lead to the violation of many other prohibitions, from lashon hara (slanderous speech) to murder. Another reason why hating another Jew is such a serious sin is because G-d loves every Jew. How then can we hate a person that G-d loves?
"Why was the first Temple destroyed? Because of three sins, idolatry, adultery, and murder... But the second Temple - when the Jews were involved in Torah study, mitzvot, and doing kindness - why was the Temple destroyed? Because of the baseless hatred which existed at that time. This teaches us that baseless hatred is considered equal to the three sins of idolatry, adultery, and murder”. ~Talmud, Yoma 9b
Ahavat-Israel.com (http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/index.php)
"You are crossing the Jordan to come to the land which G-d is giving you, you must settle the land and live there..." Dvarim Book (Deuteronomy) 11:31
"Now Israel, listen to the rules and laws that I am teaching you to do, so that you will remain alive and come to occupy the land that G-d, Lord of your fathers, is giving you." Dvarim Book (Deuteronomy) 4:1
The people of Israel owe the Iranian a great debt: their own freedom from the hands of ancient Iraq’s dictator - “Nebuchadnezzar II”. Indeed, not only did King Koresh free us and encouraged us to re-build the Temple in Israel, he did the same all over his kingdom for all people and all religion’s. He is the one, my friends, that has created the very first Universal Declaration of Human Rights in mankind's history, that is today on display in the U.N. He, a Persian Monarch, King of Freedom!
A must watch, by everyone in my opinion:
Video: In search of Cyrus the Great (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YebB4nVw_Mg)
SpentaProductions.com (http://www.spentaproductions.com/300themovie_the_truth_behind_300.htm)
But America's founding fathers knew better. They implemented many safeguards to protect freedom from the pitfalls that mired Athenian democracy. Even Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others which have been tried.
Democracy may well be the best form of government. But what makes America great is not so much democracy, as it is its Bill Of Rights. And this is exactly what made Persia Great. Democracy can often lead to tyranny by the majority as was the case in democratic Athens, where women, slaves and foreigners did not have the right to vote.
In monarchic Persia, however, women enjoyed a level of gender equality unmatched even to this day, and slavery was not practiced. The fact is, Persia's monarchy was more free than Athens' democracy, all because of Persia's Bill Of Rights.
IsraelNationalNews.com (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7513)
Cyrus the Great was an adherent of the faith of Zoroaster, which was based on the triad of Good Thoughts, Good Speech and Good Deeds, and constituted the standard of life for the Persians. Other teachings of the faith of Zoroaster, arguably the most ancient divine religion, have inspired the teachings of other faiths.
AmericanThinker.com (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/10/happy_cyrus_day.html)
Happy Cyrus Day, by Amil Imani (October 29, 2007)
To Cyrus the Great, humanity was one widely dispersed family. He believed in this tenet long before unequivocal genetic findings clearly established that biologically there is only one human race; that the genetic variation within a single troop of chimpanzees, for instance, is greater than that of any two human groupings, no matter how different they may appear physically.
King Koresh in the Bible: Bible.cc (http://bible.cc/isaiah/45-1.htm) , Bible-Prophecy.net (http://www.bible-prophecy.net/articles/a2pws.htm)
Vohuman.org (http://www.vohuman.org/Article/The%20First%20Declaration%20of%20Human%20Rights.htm) - The First Declaration of Human Rights
WikiPedia.org (http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%A9)
The “Cyrus Declaration”, in Hebrew: (much more in depth with so much more power and wisdom than it appears in the English version)
The Cyrus Cylinder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Cylinder)
CyrusGreat.com (http://www.cyrusgreat.com/content/category/1/1/2/)
Cyrus the Great article collection:
Zol-qarnain in the Quran is Cyrus the Great
Cyrus Cylinder (Cyrus Charter of Human Rights)
Mausoleum of Cyrus the Great at risk
Sivand Dam Threatens Achaemenid Village
Cyrus the Great in Biblical Prophecy
( A tiny anecdote: This is a hotel and website named after Cyrus the Great in Israel: KingKoresh.co.il (http://www.kingkoresh.co.il/) )
“Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” ~George Santayana
At this point I want to say thank you to Sokuy30, for posting just one link that created all this: Thank you Sokuy30!!
Here is the link and a segment of what he wrote:
"watch this for start, You will enjoy it I promise! you are the brite young man."~ Sokuy30
http://www.irandefence.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=285849
A good post by Sokuy30 about Cyrus the Great:
http://www.irandefence.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=272872
I will always consider the movie 300 to be a well made, well thought of fantasy movie. It was a fantasy when I saw it first and it will forever be a fabrication no matter what others say. I enjoyed it on several levels though, and some of it because it was indeed aptly timed to further "words of wisdom" from the vertically challenged primate of Iran.
The battles were pure fiction, but they were supremely choreographed. Music and sound was awesome, every one of the "Heroes" a "superman" with a cape with bulging muscles showing off. As for the "enemy", portraying them as they wrap their faces in strips of white linen, just begging the audience to roar for the completion of the mummification process: to see them thrown into the ocean.
There was no story to speak of, as far as I'm concerned, was lame and repetitive, but for me the battle scenes so amply caught the feeling of David vs. Goliath , Jews vs. the World , 300 vs. 1 Million, that I can't lie and say it didn't.
Still. It is not a movie that engages the brain, only the emotion. Even worse, it helped spread lies about a people with very justified cultural pride! For that, I am truly sorry if I had offended anyone.
So far so good…
AmericanThinker.com (http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/unworthy_heirs_to_cyrus.htm)
Unworthy Heirs to Cyrus, by Stefania Lapenna (February 19, 2007)
"Overall, historians agree that the peoples conquered by the Persians were never subjugated and submitted to the empire's authority, let alone enslaved. It was Cyrus, not Alexander, who liberated the Jews besieged by Babylonia. That is why, even today, the Jews are grateful to their Persian liberators".
"Nonetheless, once can often to read somewhere in some blog or op-ed column about the Islamic Republic's Mullahs dreaming to turn the Middle East into another Persian Empire. Nothing could be further from reality. To be sure, there is much evidence that the theocrats in Tehran are responsible for the chaos and deaths in Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestinian territories and I guess nobody could find proofs showing the opposite".
"However, let us not confuse their hegemonic intentions with a great ancient civilization that in no way can be compared to a bunch of Islamist terrorists who imposed themselves in a coup-d'etat in 1979 and whose 'holy mission' is to export their revolution in the region and help create an Islamic caliphate in the world by terror and subjugation".
"The Persians, including many female warriors, heroically fought the Arab Islamic invasions and tried to preserve their rich culture and traditions. After harsh battles, Islam prevailed and the Persian Empire started declining. Nevertheless, the Mullahs have failed and still fail to attract the support of many Iranians, whose nationalistic feelings toward their past and their identity are very strong".
Israel and the Iranians, by Amil Imani (June 13, 2007)
"No sooner did President Ahmadinejad emerge from obscurity and assume his new role as the head of the Executive Branch of the Islamic regime in Iran than he unleashed a torrent of venomous rhetoric against the United States and Israel. This is contrary to the sentiments of the majority of Iranians".
"The majority of Iranians nowadays want to distance themselves from the Islamic regime in Iran and the likes of Ahmadinejad. Iranians wish the world to make a distinction between Iranian People and the despicable Islamic regime, its wicked followers and traitorous lobbyists"
"It is time for the world to see Ahmadinejad and his handlers for what they are. These end-of-the-worlders are not interested in any negotiation, any compromise or live-and-let-live. They are determined to be the soldiers of Mahdi come-what-may. They have no problem with the total destruction of the world. They are headed for a life of eternal bliss in Allah's paradise. They hardly care, they would even rejoice, if the rest of humanity is subjected to a tragic death in the nuclear, biological and chemical wasteland of planet earth".
"Iranian Muslims are victims of an Islamic virus that has destroyed in them their traditional respect for diversity. It is the Iranian ancient fundamental belief in the validity and value of diversity that has held the nation together over the millennia."
"There exists such duplicity within the Iranian culture. Originally, Iranians were forced to accept Islam to save their lives from the Arab invaders, but deep inside the heart of every single Iranian alive to this date, the burning sensation and resentment of the Arab-Islamic invasion to their culture is forever smoldering. Most Iranians may actually confess being Muslims; yet, the overwhelming Iranians have never read Quran or understood its language".
"The events of history have toughened Iranians gravely. They have become great pretenders
The greatest celebration in Iran is the Persian New Year or better known as Nowruz, not the birth of the Prophet Mohammad (as in most Muslim countries) in whose name Iran was conquered and millions of Persians were perished. Iranians have not forgotten that, and they never will".
"Throughout history, Iranians have been known for their tolerance of other creeds and religions. This was particularly notable in their associations and contacts with the Jews. Having been oppressed by the Seleucids and the Romans, the Jews had come to believe that Iran was the only superpower capable of saving them from a fanatical foreign yoke, as it had done once before in the Achaemenid period".
"In the continuous struggles between the Parthians and the Romans, the Jews had every reason to hate the Romans, the destroyers of their sanctuary, and to side with the Persians: their protectors."
"True Iranians have remained friends of the Jews by both belief as well as deeds. During the shameful Hitlerian campaign of exterminating the Jews, for instance, Iranian missions in Europe, notably the one in France, issued Iranian passports to facilitate the flight of French and other European Jews from the claws of Nazis and their gas chambers-the very gas chambers that the Muslim, disgracing Iranians, Ahmadinejad, denies ever existed".
Iranians stand for the rights of the Jews as well as the equal rights under the law for any and all religious and secular people. "A friend in need is a friend in-deed," is an apt saying. It is time for Israel to reciprocate the historical assistance of the Iranians at the hour of their needs. It is payback time now. Israel should give the Iranian people a helping hand by supporting the freedom-loving Iranians. It is the Iranian people who can best end the tyrannical and menacing mullahcracy that is posing a deadly threat to all concerned.
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(If anyone wants a link to this article, just ask)
This last article which I have quoted only 619 words of is SO GOOD! It spelled out so many more good reasons for me, for Israeli's to be here on this forum, to be active, to participate and shed some long-overdue LIGHT on such darker-than-death matters.
Amazing.
At this point, since it was Sokuy30 who "started" ;-) this thread, I would like to address some of his comments, with his permission: (if I don’t have it, Sokuy30, send me a PM and I'll remove it myself)
I believe strongly that one thing I have learned in shia teaching , "If I hit you is not my fault, it is yours if you let me hit you". If you let others treat you that way and get away with it, you deserve it.
This is really and actually what Shia is about, hmm. Well, can't say I'm surprised. Tell you this though:
Judaism is:
Aish.com (http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Crash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_39_-_Talmud.asp)
(This part of history happened between 170 and 200 CE (after Jesus was born), and well after the Second Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple) was destroyed by the Romans )
The Oral Torah passed from generation to generation and was never written down. Why? Because the Oral Torah was meant to be fluid. The principles stayed the same, but the application of those principles was meant to be adapted to all types of new circumstances.
This worked exceptionally well as long as the central authority -- the Sanhedrin -- remained intact, and the chain of transmission was not interrupted. (That is, teachers were able to freely pass on their wisdom to the next generation of students.) But in the days since the destruction of the Temple, the Sanhedrin had been repeatedly uprooted and teachers had to go into hiding.
To make sure that the chain of transmission would never be broken, he decided that the time had come to write down the Oral Torah. Maimonides (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides), (Hebrew: Harambam) in his introduction to his Mishneh Torah, explains it as follows:
Yehuda Ha Nasi gathered together all the traditions, enactments, and interpretations and expositions of every position of the Torah, that either come down from Moses, out teacher, or had been deduced by the courts in successive generations. All this material he redacted in the Mishna, which was diligently taught in public, and thus became universally known among the Jewish people. Copies of it were made and widely disseminated, so that the Oral Law might not be forgotten in Israel.
During the centuries following the completion of the Mishna, the chain of transmission of the Oral law was further weakened by a number of factors: Economic hardship and increased persecution of the Jewish community in Israel caused many Jews, including many rabbis, to flee the country. Many of these rabbis emigrated to Babylon in the Persian Empire. The role of the rabbis of Israel as the sole central authority of the Jewish people was coming to an end.
This information was vital to the Jewish people because Jewish law was never applied by reading a sentence in the Torah and executing it to the letter. Take for example, "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." It was never Jewish law that if someone blinded you, that you should go and blind him. What is the good of having two blind people? It was always understood on two levels: 1) that justice must be proportional (it's not a life for an eye) and 2) that it means the value of an eye for the value of the eye, referring to monetary damages. Thus, the Talmud presented the written and oral tradition together.
To read the Talmud is to read a lot of arguments. On every page it seems that the rabbis are arguing. This kind of argument -- the purpose of which was to arrive at the kernel of truth -- is called pilpul. This word has a negative connotation outside the yeshiva world, as people read these arguments and it seems to the uneducated eye that the rabbis are merely splitting hairs, and that some of the arguments have absolutely no basis in everyday life. But this is not so.
The reason why the rabbis argued about things that may not have any application to everyday life was to try to get to truth in an abstract way - to understand the logic and to extract the principle. These rabbis were interested in knowing what reality is and in doing the right thing. Reality is what Judaism is all about -- the ultimate reality being God. And these rabbis were wise enough to know that a day would come when the principles established by getting to the core kernel of truth would have far reaching implications.
Like it or not. Approve of it or not. Believe it or not. THIS is what all Jews are about. These are the basics every Jew, every Israeli and every Zionist here and worldwide is taught, some more in depth than others, some less, but ALL have access to it whenever they wish, they only need but ask.
If you have more pearls of wisdom from the "Shia", by all means, do share.
Deviation from principal is hard thing to do for us.
We are connected to our Glorious past with real humanity in our hearts,
Look at history of man kind How many Cyrus or Darius the great like you see only few,
Even that few most are Iranians, why I like real America just because their wisdoms are here I mean Cyrus's!
Iranians are gift from God to this earth. Just my believe!
I can't get enough of it watching this video!
http://www.irandefence.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=272970
I truly, and deeply want to believe you Sokuy30. Please prove me right?
That's why I like to talk to you and few others , you have real culture.
Nothing in life is more precious than culture and honor.
Can you SEE that we share the SAME thoughts? the SAME feelings?
I would more than welcome to hear more from those who's nationalistic feelings towards their past and their identity are very strong, because I feel the exact same regarding my own county!
I'll end with two quotes from Cyrus the Great and a Persian Proverb I found that I believe should be attributed to King Koresh:
"Do not suppose, my dearest sons, that when I have left you I shall be nowhere and no one. Even when I was with you, you did not see my soul, but knew that it was in this body of mine from what I did. Believe then that it is still the same, even though you see it not". ~Cyrus the Great (c. 600 - 529 BC)
Quotes.Zaadz.com (http://quotes.zaadz.com/Cyrus_the_Great)
"You cannot be buried in obscurity: you are exposed upon a grand theater to the view of the world. If your actions are upright and benevolent, be assured they will augment your power and happiness". ~Cyrus the Great (c. 600 - 529 BC)
"Every man goes down to his death bearing in his hands only that which he has given away". ~Persian Proverb
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"Knowledge and human power are synonymous, since the ignorance of the cause frustrates the effect". ~Francis Bacon
"The best memory is that which forgets nothing but injuries. Write kindness in marble and write injuries in the dust". ~Persian Proverb
Sokuy30 has surprised me the other day, and convinced me how wrong the "300" movie is, historically speaking, how foolish it is to think bad about King Cyrus the Great (“Hameleh Koresh” in Hebrew) and even about his grandson-in-law Xerxes (“Achashverosh" who took Jewish Ester as his Queen and gave Jews 2,400 years of peace), who was depicted in the movie as the half-naked African-looking brute, as the head of the crazy invading hoards. That is why I removed Sparta's king Lionides’s picture and humbly show the picture of King Koresh instead.
http://i3.tinypic.com/6olq1rn.jpg http://i19.tinypic.com/6kk12xd.jpg
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Background:
“Nebuchadnezzar II”: Tyrant of ancient Iraq, he who scattered the sons of Israel all over the word, idol-worshiper, destroyer of Jerusalem, destroyer of Solomon's Temple, he who exiled King Zedekiah:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II
“Babylon's Fallen Tyrant” - Saddam Hussein as current “Nebuchadnezzar”:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jerusalem/Babylons_Fallen_Tyrant.asp
Dispersion of the Jews around the world, after the first and second Temples were destroyed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
Being Jewish means being in love, not mired in baseless hatred. As I see it, being Jewish is following in the footsteps of King Koresh himself. Too many on this earth do not know all this, even deny it flat out, but the truth shall set you free.
Ahavat-israel.com (http://www.ahavat-israel.com/am/love.php)
"You shall not hate your brother in your heart", Vayikra Book (Leviticus) 19:17
"And you shall love your fellow Jew like yourself", Vayikra Book (Leviticus) 19:18
“One reason why this is such a serious sin is because it can lead to the violation of many other prohibitions, from lashon hara (slanderous speech) to murder. Another reason why hating another Jew is such a serious sin is because G-d loves every Jew. How then can we hate a person that G-d loves?
"Why was the first Temple destroyed? Because of three sins, idolatry, adultery, and murder... But the second Temple - when the Jews were involved in Torah study, mitzvot, and doing kindness - why was the Temple destroyed? Because of the baseless hatred which existed at that time. This teaches us that baseless hatred is considered equal to the three sins of idolatry, adultery, and murder”. ~Talmud, Yoma 9b
Ahavat-Israel.com (http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/index.php)
"You are crossing the Jordan to come to the land which G-d is giving you, you must settle the land and live there..." Dvarim Book (Deuteronomy) 11:31
"Now Israel, listen to the rules and laws that I am teaching you to do, so that you will remain alive and come to occupy the land that G-d, Lord of your fathers, is giving you." Dvarim Book (Deuteronomy) 4:1
The people of Israel owe the Iranian a great debt: their own freedom from the hands of ancient Iraq’s dictator - “Nebuchadnezzar II”. Indeed, not only did King Koresh free us and encouraged us to re-build the Temple in Israel, he did the same all over his kingdom for all people and all religion’s. He is the one, my friends, that has created the very first Universal Declaration of Human Rights in mankind's history, that is today on display in the U.N. He, a Persian Monarch, King of Freedom!
A must watch, by everyone in my opinion:
Video: In search of Cyrus the Great (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YebB4nVw_Mg)
SpentaProductions.com (http://www.spentaproductions.com/300themovie_the_truth_behind_300.htm)
But America's founding fathers knew better. They implemented many safeguards to protect freedom from the pitfalls that mired Athenian democracy. Even Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others which have been tried.
Democracy may well be the best form of government. But what makes America great is not so much democracy, as it is its Bill Of Rights. And this is exactly what made Persia Great. Democracy can often lead to tyranny by the majority as was the case in democratic Athens, where women, slaves and foreigners did not have the right to vote.
In monarchic Persia, however, women enjoyed a level of gender equality unmatched even to this day, and slavery was not practiced. The fact is, Persia's monarchy was more free than Athens' democracy, all because of Persia's Bill Of Rights.
IsraelNationalNews.com (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7513)
Cyrus the Great was an adherent of the faith of Zoroaster, which was based on the triad of Good Thoughts, Good Speech and Good Deeds, and constituted the standard of life for the Persians. Other teachings of the faith of Zoroaster, arguably the most ancient divine religion, have inspired the teachings of other faiths.
AmericanThinker.com (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/10/happy_cyrus_day.html)
Happy Cyrus Day, by Amil Imani (October 29, 2007)
To Cyrus the Great, humanity was one widely dispersed family. He believed in this tenet long before unequivocal genetic findings clearly established that biologically there is only one human race; that the genetic variation within a single troop of chimpanzees, for instance, is greater than that of any two human groupings, no matter how different they may appear physically.
King Koresh in the Bible: Bible.cc (http://bible.cc/isaiah/45-1.htm) , Bible-Prophecy.net (http://www.bible-prophecy.net/articles/a2pws.htm)
Vohuman.org (http://www.vohuman.org/Article/The%20First%20Declaration%20of%20Human%20Rights.htm) - The First Declaration of Human Rights
WikiPedia.org (http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%A9)
The “Cyrus Declaration”, in Hebrew: (much more in depth with so much more power and wisdom than it appears in the English version)
The Cyrus Cylinder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Cylinder)
CyrusGreat.com (http://www.cyrusgreat.com/content/category/1/1/2/)
Cyrus the Great article collection:
Zol-qarnain in the Quran is Cyrus the Great
Cyrus Cylinder (Cyrus Charter of Human Rights)
Mausoleum of Cyrus the Great at risk
Sivand Dam Threatens Achaemenid Village
Cyrus the Great in Biblical Prophecy
( A tiny anecdote: This is a hotel and website named after Cyrus the Great in Israel: KingKoresh.co.il (http://www.kingkoresh.co.il/) )
“Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” ~George Santayana
At this point I want to say thank you to Sokuy30, for posting just one link that created all this: Thank you Sokuy30!!
Here is the link and a segment of what he wrote:
"watch this for start, You will enjoy it I promise! you are the brite young man."~ Sokuy30
http://www.irandefence.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=285849
A good post by Sokuy30 about Cyrus the Great:
http://www.irandefence.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=272872
I will always consider the movie 300 to be a well made, well thought of fantasy movie. It was a fantasy when I saw it first and it will forever be a fabrication no matter what others say. I enjoyed it on several levels though, and some of it because it was indeed aptly timed to further "words of wisdom" from the vertically challenged primate of Iran.
The battles were pure fiction, but they were supremely choreographed. Music and sound was awesome, every one of the "Heroes" a "superman" with a cape with bulging muscles showing off. As for the "enemy", portraying them as they wrap their faces in strips of white linen, just begging the audience to roar for the completion of the mummification process: to see them thrown into the ocean.
There was no story to speak of, as far as I'm concerned, was lame and repetitive, but for me the battle scenes so amply caught the feeling of David vs. Goliath , Jews vs. the World , 300 vs. 1 Million, that I can't lie and say it didn't.
Still. It is not a movie that engages the brain, only the emotion. Even worse, it helped spread lies about a people with very justified cultural pride! For that, I am truly sorry if I had offended anyone.
So far so good…
AmericanThinker.com (http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/unworthy_heirs_to_cyrus.htm)
Unworthy Heirs to Cyrus, by Stefania Lapenna (February 19, 2007)
"Overall, historians agree that the peoples conquered by the Persians were never subjugated and submitted to the empire's authority, let alone enslaved. It was Cyrus, not Alexander, who liberated the Jews besieged by Babylonia. That is why, even today, the Jews are grateful to their Persian liberators".
"Nonetheless, once can often to read somewhere in some blog or op-ed column about the Islamic Republic's Mullahs dreaming to turn the Middle East into another Persian Empire. Nothing could be further from reality. To be sure, there is much evidence that the theocrats in Tehran are responsible for the chaos and deaths in Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestinian territories and I guess nobody could find proofs showing the opposite".
"However, let us not confuse their hegemonic intentions with a great ancient civilization that in no way can be compared to a bunch of Islamist terrorists who imposed themselves in a coup-d'etat in 1979 and whose 'holy mission' is to export their revolution in the region and help create an Islamic caliphate in the world by terror and subjugation".
"The Persians, including many female warriors, heroically fought the Arab Islamic invasions and tried to preserve their rich culture and traditions. After harsh battles, Islam prevailed and the Persian Empire started declining. Nevertheless, the Mullahs have failed and still fail to attract the support of many Iranians, whose nationalistic feelings toward their past and their identity are very strong".
Israel and the Iranians, by Amil Imani (June 13, 2007)
"No sooner did President Ahmadinejad emerge from obscurity and assume his new role as the head of the Executive Branch of the Islamic regime in Iran than he unleashed a torrent of venomous rhetoric against the United States and Israel. This is contrary to the sentiments of the majority of Iranians".
"The majority of Iranians nowadays want to distance themselves from the Islamic regime in Iran and the likes of Ahmadinejad. Iranians wish the world to make a distinction between Iranian People and the despicable Islamic regime, its wicked followers and traitorous lobbyists"
"It is time for the world to see Ahmadinejad and his handlers for what they are. These end-of-the-worlders are not interested in any negotiation, any compromise or live-and-let-live. They are determined to be the soldiers of Mahdi come-what-may. They have no problem with the total destruction of the world. They are headed for a life of eternal bliss in Allah's paradise. They hardly care, they would even rejoice, if the rest of humanity is subjected to a tragic death in the nuclear, biological and chemical wasteland of planet earth".
"Iranian Muslims are victims of an Islamic virus that has destroyed in them their traditional respect for diversity. It is the Iranian ancient fundamental belief in the validity and value of diversity that has held the nation together over the millennia."
"There exists such duplicity within the Iranian culture. Originally, Iranians were forced to accept Islam to save their lives from the Arab invaders, but deep inside the heart of every single Iranian alive to this date, the burning sensation and resentment of the Arab-Islamic invasion to their culture is forever smoldering. Most Iranians may actually confess being Muslims; yet, the overwhelming Iranians have never read Quran or understood its language".
"The events of history have toughened Iranians gravely. They have become great pretenders
The greatest celebration in Iran is the Persian New Year or better known as Nowruz, not the birth of the Prophet Mohammad (as in most Muslim countries) in whose name Iran was conquered and millions of Persians were perished. Iranians have not forgotten that, and they never will".
"Throughout history, Iranians have been known for their tolerance of other creeds and religions. This was particularly notable in their associations and contacts with the Jews. Having been oppressed by the Seleucids and the Romans, the Jews had come to believe that Iran was the only superpower capable of saving them from a fanatical foreign yoke, as it had done once before in the Achaemenid period".
"In the continuous struggles between the Parthians and the Romans, the Jews had every reason to hate the Romans, the destroyers of their sanctuary, and to side with the Persians: their protectors."
"True Iranians have remained friends of the Jews by both belief as well as deeds. During the shameful Hitlerian campaign of exterminating the Jews, for instance, Iranian missions in Europe, notably the one in France, issued Iranian passports to facilitate the flight of French and other European Jews from the claws of Nazis and their gas chambers-the very gas chambers that the Muslim, disgracing Iranians, Ahmadinejad, denies ever existed".
Iranians stand for the rights of the Jews as well as the equal rights under the law for any and all religious and secular people. "A friend in need is a friend in-deed," is an apt saying. It is time for Israel to reciprocate the historical assistance of the Iranians at the hour of their needs. It is payback time now. Israel should give the Iranian people a helping hand by supporting the freedom-loving Iranians. It is the Iranian people who can best end the tyrannical and menacing mullahcracy that is posing a deadly threat to all concerned.
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(If anyone wants a link to this article, just ask)
This last article which I have quoted only 619 words of is SO GOOD! It spelled out so many more good reasons for me, for Israeli's to be here on this forum, to be active, to participate and shed some long-overdue LIGHT on such darker-than-death matters.
Amazing.
At this point, since it was Sokuy30 who "started" ;-) this thread, I would like to address some of his comments, with his permission: (if I don’t have it, Sokuy30, send me a PM and I'll remove it myself)
I believe strongly that one thing I have learned in shia teaching , "If I hit you is not my fault, it is yours if you let me hit you". If you let others treat you that way and get away with it, you deserve it.
This is really and actually what Shia is about, hmm. Well, can't say I'm surprised. Tell you this though:
Judaism is:
Aish.com (http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Crash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_39_-_Talmud.asp)
(This part of history happened between 170 and 200 CE (after Jesus was born), and well after the Second Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple) was destroyed by the Romans )
The Oral Torah passed from generation to generation and was never written down. Why? Because the Oral Torah was meant to be fluid. The principles stayed the same, but the application of those principles was meant to be adapted to all types of new circumstances.
This worked exceptionally well as long as the central authority -- the Sanhedrin -- remained intact, and the chain of transmission was not interrupted. (That is, teachers were able to freely pass on their wisdom to the next generation of students.) But in the days since the destruction of the Temple, the Sanhedrin had been repeatedly uprooted and teachers had to go into hiding.
To make sure that the chain of transmission would never be broken, he decided that the time had come to write down the Oral Torah. Maimonides (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides), (Hebrew: Harambam) in his introduction to his Mishneh Torah, explains it as follows:
Yehuda Ha Nasi gathered together all the traditions, enactments, and interpretations and expositions of every position of the Torah, that either come down from Moses, out teacher, or had been deduced by the courts in successive generations. All this material he redacted in the Mishna, which was diligently taught in public, and thus became universally known among the Jewish people. Copies of it were made and widely disseminated, so that the Oral Law might not be forgotten in Israel.
During the centuries following the completion of the Mishna, the chain of transmission of the Oral law was further weakened by a number of factors: Economic hardship and increased persecution of the Jewish community in Israel caused many Jews, including many rabbis, to flee the country. Many of these rabbis emigrated to Babylon in the Persian Empire. The role of the rabbis of Israel as the sole central authority of the Jewish people was coming to an end.
This information was vital to the Jewish people because Jewish law was never applied by reading a sentence in the Torah and executing it to the letter. Take for example, "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." It was never Jewish law that if someone blinded you, that you should go and blind him. What is the good of having two blind people? It was always understood on two levels: 1) that justice must be proportional (it's not a life for an eye) and 2) that it means the value of an eye for the value of the eye, referring to monetary damages. Thus, the Talmud presented the written and oral tradition together.
To read the Talmud is to read a lot of arguments. On every page it seems that the rabbis are arguing. This kind of argument -- the purpose of which was to arrive at the kernel of truth -- is called pilpul. This word has a negative connotation outside the yeshiva world, as people read these arguments and it seems to the uneducated eye that the rabbis are merely splitting hairs, and that some of the arguments have absolutely no basis in everyday life. But this is not so.
The reason why the rabbis argued about things that may not have any application to everyday life was to try to get to truth in an abstract way - to understand the logic and to extract the principle. These rabbis were interested in knowing what reality is and in doing the right thing. Reality is what Judaism is all about -- the ultimate reality being God. And these rabbis were wise enough to know that a day would come when the principles established by getting to the core kernel of truth would have far reaching implications.
Like it or not. Approve of it or not. Believe it or not. THIS is what all Jews are about. These are the basics every Jew, every Israeli and every Zionist here and worldwide is taught, some more in depth than others, some less, but ALL have access to it whenever they wish, they only need but ask.
If you have more pearls of wisdom from the "Shia", by all means, do share.
Deviation from principal is hard thing to do for us.
We are connected to our Glorious past with real humanity in our hearts,
Look at history of man kind How many Cyrus or Darius the great like you see only few,
Even that few most are Iranians, why I like real America just because their wisdoms are here I mean Cyrus's!
Iranians are gift from God to this earth. Just my believe!
I can't get enough of it watching this video!
http://www.irandefence.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=272970
I truly, and deeply want to believe you Sokuy30. Please prove me right?
That's why I like to talk to you and few others , you have real culture.
Nothing in life is more precious than culture and honor.
Can you SEE that we share the SAME thoughts? the SAME feelings?
I would more than welcome to hear more from those who's nationalistic feelings towards their past and their identity are very strong, because I feel the exact same regarding my own county!
I'll end with two quotes from Cyrus the Great and a Persian Proverb I found that I believe should be attributed to King Koresh:
"Do not suppose, my dearest sons, that when I have left you I shall be nowhere and no one. Even when I was with you, you did not see my soul, but knew that it was in this body of mine from what I did. Believe then that it is still the same, even though you see it not". ~Cyrus the Great (c. 600 - 529 BC)
Quotes.Zaadz.com (http://quotes.zaadz.com/Cyrus_the_Great)
"You cannot be buried in obscurity: you are exposed upon a grand theater to the view of the world. If your actions are upright and benevolent, be assured they will augment your power and happiness". ~Cyrus the Great (c. 600 - 529 BC)
"Every man goes down to his death bearing in his hands only that which he has given away". ~Persian Proverb