Israeli PM accepts cease-fire deal

[Shahab-3]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/mideast_conflict

JERUSALEM - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has accepted an emerging Mideast cease-fire deal and informed the United States of his decision, Israeli officials said Friday. Olmert will recommend that his government approve the deal in its meeting on Sunday, the officials said on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to brief journalists on the internal discussions.

[MrWanted]

Yeah but first they shoot five missiles on the UN convoy out of Marjayoun and expand the operations in south while bombing other parts. They surely are bad loosers and not much of "high morality" army.

[Yoni45]

Yeah but first they shoot five missiles on the UN convoy out of Marjayoun and expand the operations in south while bombing other parts. They surely are bad loosers and not much of "high morality" army.

One has nothing to do with the other... The UN force still has to get there and set up, to take over... In the meanwhile, the IDF keeps it up...

[NEWUSER]

In the meanwhile, the IDF keeps it up...

True, i read that today; although Israel will accept the cf, it will not stop its military operations in lebanon; typical Israeli actions.

[burster]

Newuser,

But, but, don't you want the Israeli army to meet Hezbollah hand to hand so you can show them how good the arabs are against jews in that kind of combat? Isn't that what all the Hezbollah militants want, to die fighting the good fight against an occupier of Palestine? Shouldn't you be demanding that Nasrallah totally reject this UN resolution so that all the arabs can join together in a mighty army to march arm in arm across the Lebanese border and stomp the Israelis to dust beneath their feet?

True, i read that today; although Israel will accept the cf, it will not stop its military operations in lebanon; typical Israeli actions.

[MrWanted]

One has nothing to do with the other... The UN force still has to get there and set up, to take over... In the meanwhile, the IDF keeps it up...

Newuser,

But, but, don't you want the Israeli army to meet Hezbollah hand to hand so you can show them how good the arabs are against jews in that kind of combat? Isn't that what all the Hezbollah militants want, to die fighting the good fight against an occupier of Palestine? Shouldn't you be demanding that Nasrallah totally reject this UN resolution so that all the arabs can join together in a mighty army to march arm in arm across the Lebanese border and stomp the Israelis to dust beneath their feet?

Attacking a UN convoy is just way too low. But I'm not surprised you'll defend even that.

Besides IDF is not engaiging HA only. You're nice IDF is bombarding CIVILIANS all over Lebanon, just to pressure HA. It was one of your major strategies, to destroy livlihood of people in Lebanon in order to make a rift between Lebanese and resistance.

HA has repeatedly asked to stop those bombarments on civilians in return for an stop of rockets on North Palestine. Well you simply refused.

And still you lost. Olmert career is over, just like Peretz.
You just lost on the battle field the whole world has seen it. None of objectieves has been achieved. HA is stronger than when you started.

The last push is just saving face for Olmert and Peretz. You'll be proffed how stupid it is.

BTW you lost a Super Dabur boat yesterday. This time there was good vicibility and the footage's were shown live on satellite broadcasts.

[Snauhi]

Attacking a UN convoy is just way too low. But I'm not surprised you'll defend even that.

Besides IDF is not engaiging HA only. You're nice IDF is bombarding CIVILIANS all over Lebanon, just to pressure HA. It was one of your major strategies, to destroy livlihood of people in Lebanon in order to make a rift between Lebanese and resistance.

HA has repeatedly asked to stop those bombarments on civilians in return for an stop of rockets on North Palestine. Well you simply refused.

And still you lost. Olmert career is over, just like Peretz.
You just lost on the battle field the whole world has seen it. None of objectieves has been achieved. HA is stronger than when you started.

The last push is just saving face for Olmert and Peretz. You'll be proffed how stupid it is.

BTW you lost a Super Dabur boat yesterday. This time there was good vicibility and the footage's were shown live on satellite broadcasts.

Ah... stop it already... UN resolution just proves that Israel WON! HA will be disarmed and moved back behinde the the Litani river... Israel won the battelfield... it crushed HA and now is already 11km inside Lebanon near Tyre.... HA keep spreading their propaganda like stuff about the boat because the are desperate.... those pics when it "sinks" are just in proof of it... ahahh

I just hope that Olmert will give some one week to IDF to reach Litani

And yes i hope that the goverment will be replaced with a more competent goverment with more people from Likud and My Home Israel

[Snauhi]

Political echelon expresses satisfaction over Security Council resolution, which government sources brand 'important achievement.' Officials in Prime Minister's Office stress that as soon as ceasefire goes into effect – apparently by Monday – all military operations will be halted
Ronny Sofer


Officials in the Prime Minister's Office in Jerusalem welcomed the UN Security Council resolution calling for a cessation of hostilities in south Lebanon. The resolution, which was unanimously adopted by the Council Friday night, accepts most of the terms and reservations that have been set by Israel.


Sources at the PM's Office estimated that the ceasefire will go into effect on Sunday or Monday, after the government approves the resolution
in Sunday's cabinet meeting.


Officials at Olmert's office stressed that in the meantime the IDF continues its operations in south Lebanon, but that as soon as the government decides on a ceasefire, the army will suspend all activity, even if it had not yet reached the Litani River and the Nabatyeh Heights that have been set as the final destination of the ground offensive.


They additionally stated that according to the resolution, Israel reserves the right to respond to hostile activities, in the form of a Hizbullah attack on Jewish or Israeli targets abroad, for instance.


"We got what we wanted – driving Hizbullah away from the border, an embargo (on weapons' delivery into Lebanon), deployment of the Lebanese army, an effective multinational force and an unconditional demand for the return of the kidnapped troops," an official stressed.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3290003,00.html

[MrWanted]

[B]
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3290003,00.html

I don't see anything new.

Yest Lebanese army would come to south, and HA hasn't opposed it. But there is nothing new here:

It call for a cease fire between Israel and HA. HA is mentioned for the first time, beside the 1559 which had other purposes.

Prisoner retun: Well to be dealt later, eg prisoners swamp.

Shebba farms: mentioned for the first time

UNIFILL: still the same force with the same right. Watching and defending themselves, nothing more or less.

Weapons of HA: No control over borders and nor will be, still status quo.

Dissarmement of HA: Well you can ask trillion times but it's nothing more than what already has been asked before in 1559


THERE IS NO SINGLE DEMAND OF ISRAEL WHICH IS ENFORCED ON LEBANON.

It's back to status quo. Only this time, HA has got recognition, Shebba farms is mentioned and there would be a prisoners swamp.

If you mean Israel has destoyed Lebanon you're right. But HA is stronger than ever and there would be no single person in Lebanon demanding their dissarmement or transfer above Litani without being lebale a traitor with it's political and social consequences. you simply lost on the ground. HA had stated from day one: they are not defending any territory line, they hit and run.

You seem really confused about the nature of this conflict and the nature of fighting. HA is still actieve in every single town and villiage in South Lebabon.

Your IDF can go up in Lebanon as far as tripoli but they still lose soldiers on Aita asshab, bent Jebail and Maroun El Ras.

The katyusha's still rain on you even when you have 'captured' a region or bombed it. Well that just doesn't look musch good is it?

your people responce (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3289950,00.html)is this on YnetNews.com

UN Security Council resolution Reuters
1. Not much there for Israel
In my opinion not a good deal for Israel. What are they actually getting out of the situation? This to me looks like a blueprint for problems down the road.
freedom , canada (08.12.06)
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2. Back to square one

Useless resolution. situation will return to where it was before the 12th of July. Shame on you Olmert, you will lose your political career if you accept it. invade and create new reality before it is too late.
Andy , Canada (08.12.06)
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3. Failure of course!
Because UN resolution 1701 do not call for the freeing of our soldiers and instead allow the terrorists to call for a swap!
Ari , Jerusalem (08.12.06)
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4. and the soldiers
seems to me that's what started it all, if this is is going to be finished hezb must return the soldiers.
nomad , canada (08.12.06)
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5. failure
failure ofcourse.
hizbollah won.
hizbollah , hizbollah (08.12.06)
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6. Bush/Rice suck
I am sorry Israel, the US left you holding the bag again. I really thought the govt had learned especially with the muslim group planning to blow up planes again.You are now in the hands of the worst enemy Israel has had, Kofi ,the bought and paid for, Annan.
Patricia , Hawaii, USA (08.12.06)
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7. can't tell
Its impossible to tell if this resolution is good for Israel, for the reason being that everything is so murky. We don't know if any of this will be carried out.

It mentions the "unconditional release of the abducted Israeli soldiers" and implemeting 1559, but there is guarantee these will be carried out.

This is why I think the war will continue. Even Olmert (the idiot), realizes that this resoultion might not bear fruit, which is why the Army is still in war mode.
Abe , NY (08.12.06)
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8. Paragraph 18:...............
....three strikes and they are out:
UN=Unable Nations
ssssssssssss , Los Angeles (08.12.06)
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9. OLMERT SURRENDERS...ACCEPTS UN TERMS...NO HOSTAGE RELEAS
For the first time since God raised Israel as a nation again in 1948 a leader of Israel has surrendered under fire ... and he did it on the Sabbath to minimize the outrage.

The prophets paint a miserable picture of the Israel that would rise after being re-gathered once again as a nation ... the 'time of Jacob's Trouble' draws near ... I pray the children of Israel will wake up and return to God's Word before it's too late. God warns He will severely test and judge the children of Israel after being re-gathered in their Land for their lack of faith in Him and in His Word. Study the Scriptures ... listen to the prophets ... walk in faith and not in fear ... return to the Lord in faith and in love ...

"If my people, which are called by my name,
shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways;
then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land."
2 Chronicles 7:14


Grace and Shalom,

www.alphanewsdaily.com
www.theprophecies.com
Craig Crawford , Laguna Niguel USA (08.12.06)
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10. back to square one.
nul , Israel (08.12.06)
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11. kidnapped soldiers = shebaa farms??
dalia , jerusalem (08.12.06)
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12. kidnapped soldiers = israel is loser!
rocco , uae (08.12.06)
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13. Wasnt the main alibi for the war to free kidnapped solds??!
And after 31 days on this war, rockets are still falling on Israel.
Olmert, you fail bigtime.
Shai (08.12.06)
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14. UN resolution
Since Israel didn't succeed to uproot hezbollah weapons, the implementation of this resolution could help to save lifes and money and bring Israel in the future to rethink its army and political strategy.
In frenche "c'est la moins mauvaise des solutions"
Dan A , Paris France (08.12.06)
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15. IRRESOLUTE RESOLUTION
The ambition espoused in this new Resolution falls short of the ambition espoused for the world in the UN Charter. The UN Charter was drawn up in 1944 and calls upon nation States and individuals to put their attention to human rights. In consequence of that call the UN General Assembly published the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in December 1948. It only had moral and not legal force however. Consequently in the 1970's the UN published an International Bill of Human Rights as a common standard of achievement for all peoples. The State of Israel has ratified the International Bill but is unable to fulfill all of its ambitions with respect to it because terrorist groups and some nation States have continued since May 1948 to harass Israel and to besiege the State of Israel with military machinations.

The UN has continually erred and failed to bring the definition of Universal Human Rights to the people of the Middle-East. As a result the war continues to make its way to Israel's doorstep each and every day. This new Security Council Resolution would be more effective if it were to call upon the UN itself and governments and non-governmental organizations in the region to bring the definition of universal human rights to the attention and ideological imagination of the people of the region. They will not listen to Israel. Therefore who shall they listen to?

This new Resolution is irresolute because it does not address the single most profoundly fundamental cause of the aggression and conflicts in the region and that is the absense of any comprehension and therefore any respect or ambition for universal humn rights.

Again the UN is showing itself to be incompetent and this incompetence will cost hundreds and perhaps thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

People need to comprehend the DEFINITION of human rights before they can orally articulate them and then search each others conscientious efforts to introduce the legislation for them.

What is the UN?

A centre for the harmonization of relations and a focus for expertise.

But incompetently so.

We need a new Secretary-General with a greater understanding for confidence building in the search for the maintenance of international peace and security and sustainable development. People need definitions not vague ambition.

Again Israel must stand alone against the incompetence of the UN.
STEVE , LONDON, ENGLAND (08.12.06)
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16. You had your chance.
Let's face it. Israel was given one month to achieve some victory. Well, they tried their best. They destroyed infrastructures, killed civillian but unfortunatly they failed to achieve their goal. So don't blame U.N. you had plenty of time.
SAUL , MELBOURNE (08.12.06)
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17. What a shame!
Let me tell u unless this resolution will save lives and money, I feel this is this is the first time Israel is seeking such dishonorable "exit" from a war the she planned for...(or unplanned it seems…).
And u r talking about win?!
David , NY (08.12.06)
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18. what a loss.
i am flabagasterred,i cannot believe we accepted the resolution without an a immediate return of 2 soldiers and the disarming of hissbollah as promised by our leaders.what a mess.help us oh g-d i foesee a tragedy very soon without finishing the job.shame on you olmert,peretz and co.
hiram janover , k.gvat,israel. (08.12.06)
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19. #11 Shebba farms
This is adressed in section 4, using implied wording.
Pat , USA (08.12.06)
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20. #6 Oh I don't know, Patricia
Read number 1 in the resolution. The US made certain that if the hiz continues to fire rockets into Israel, Israel is fully justified regarding a "defensive" response to the rockets.

I don't want this to sound off, but if the hiz doesn't fire rockets, it proves they know the IDF is about to destroy them. One more rocket may just give Israel the green light, something assrallah is terrified of.
Pat , USA (08.12.06)
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21. #12 And what would the UAE be without oil??
Even more of a nothing than you are today!
Pat , USA (08.12.06)
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22. #15 Exactly!
Wonderfully written, Steve! I'm often times anti-islam on this board, primarily because of the arrogance I see them display on it.

It is always a pleasure to read the thoughts of somebody that actually puts some time into what they have to say.

Pat
Pat , USA (08.12.06)
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23. this garbage resolution should not be accepted
we went to war and lost so many brothers just to get our soldiers back and now we forgot about them plus the terrorists will not be desarmed how can we be proud of anything wht did we do and get NOTHING we lost israelis should put olmert in jail right away for accepeting anything without all israelis voting for shalom
haim , mtl canada (08.12.06)
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24. UN Poison In Non-kosher Wine
The idea that has been obsessing the leadership of Israel is to present spiritual victory to the people of Israel and the Diaspora. Unfortunate for the Israelis is that the non-kosher wine (UN resolution), prepared by the non-Jew, has only carried the treacherous taste. 1.( cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations) Now its not issue of self-Defense; it has been recognized as Offensive operations. 2. Lebanon and UNIFIL to deploy; this is the favorite for Lebanon government; of course not for Israel. 3. will be no weapons without the consent of the government of Lebanon another stress on Lebanon sovereignty; not good, may be bad for Israel 4. full respect for the Blue Line; Israel has to think twice before trespassing.5. Support of General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949; It calls for exchange of prisoners even those persecuted for crimes; Pls. Visit http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/arm02.htm
6&7. humanitarian assistance to the Lebanese people& safe passage for humanitarian convoys; What do you think? 8. between the Blue Line and the Litani River of an area controlled by Lebanon and of UNIFIL; again what do you think. Even that: No Foreign forces in Lebanon Without the Consent of its government. And, provision to the United Nations of all remaining Israeli maps of land mines.9&10.The last straw: dealing with the Shebaa farms area, and to present to the Security Council those proposals within thirty days.11-19. Monitoring cease fire.
Mustafa , Egypt (08.12.06)
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25. Failure = no release of kidnapped soldiers
The government MUST reject this resolution until it enshrines the handover of the kidnapped soldiers, even if to thrid party like the Red Crescent.
Yakir , Jerusalem (08.12.06)
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26. Un resolution
It's very dificult to give an evaluation whether it's a win/lose situation. The people win for their unity against hezbollah, the government lose for his uncomprehensibile hesitations. For a democratic country beeing "moral" is fine, but in war morality must give place to pragmatism. As we all know Israel is fighting an all out war which does'nt accept margins of error or hesitation. Until the next war, because it will be another war with hezbollah ofcourse, I really hope that the politicians and the military/intelligence establishment have learned their lessons. All in all Israel is still standing and remained a democracy. This is what I care most.
Pirvu Ovidio , Venice/Italy (08.12.06)
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27. Olmert must resign
We had the means to finish them and instead of that, they will always believe that they won because they're stronger. Unfortunately this is middle east and the european logic does mean nothing here. Since 1948, we see that arabs understand and respect force. Only force.
TC , Haifa (08.12.06)
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28. Where is Israel's humanitarian support?
Pepple in Israel were killed, injured and many displaced from there homes because of hizbollah.

YES BECAUSE of HIZBOLLAH!

Why isn't there any international financial and humanitarian support likein paragraph 6 for Israel?
Rivkah , Israel (08.12.06)
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29. MEANINGLESS. BUSINESS AS USUAL
Total waste of time. Israel will not stop , neither will Hezbollah.

Make all the resolutions they like - wont make one bit of difference on the ground.
Ertok (08.12.06)
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30. Creative ambiguity at its most disadvantageous best
They say that diplomacy is the art of creative ambiguity. This resolution is an exercise in creative ambiguity at its most disadvantageous "best".

But that aside, I cannot fathom why Olmert is publicly uttering statements of support *before* it has even been discussed by cabinet. Unless, of course, one assumes that he was lying when in his address to the Knesset on July 17 he vowed Israel would
"insist on ... the return of the hostages ... [and] expulsion of Hizballah ... [and would] persist until Hizballah and Hamas comply with those basic and decent things required of them by every civilized person. Israel will not agree to live in the shadow of missiles or rockets against its residents."
Hilary Ostrov , Vancouver, Canada (08.12.06)
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You do the math.

[Snauhi]

Response by people is not needed... many of them on Ynet are Lebanese but they tell they are from Israel... just read the resolution and see what it says..

I just hope that even with the accepted cease-fire IDF will push with the expanded offensive

And you know the Blitzkrieg tactic of war? Please tell me about it, it will answer all of your questions

[4X-IL]

Well, before the war, Hizballah militants was sitting on the Israeli border 24\7 with guns ready to fire on each passing car.

guess what, they are no more.

Hizballah started this war in order to get its prisoners back, guess what? it didn't got a single one, and got a ruined country, with ruined economy after 6 great years on its hands.

so maybe Israel didn't really won, but Hizballah DEFINITLY lost.

[Snauhi]

Well, before the war, Hizballah militants was sitting on the Israeli border 24\7 with guns ready to fire on each passing car.

guess what, they are no more.

Hezbollah started this war in order to get its prisoners back, guess what? it didn't got a single one, and got a ruined country, with ruined economy after 6 great years on its hands.

so maybe Israel didn't really won, but Hizballah DEFINITLY lost.

Dont worry... "real" victory is still to come.. Halutz said that operation may continue for one more week

[MrWanted]

Dont worry... "real" victory is still to come.. Halutz said that operation may continue for one more week

sure aaron, just one more week. Meanwhile:

Saturday: More than 70 troops injured in Lebanon (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3290118,00.html)

While they lack to report 21 MBT lost. Besides a lot of these injured soldiers 'will die soon' because they are just 'formally' injured. Their death announcement is just not cleard to lower down the nummer of KIA.

BTW I just watched 3 Merkava tanks being destroyed while the forth was making smoke in order to save the passage for possible wounded tank crews. Well it just take less than 10 sec for 2 of Merkava's to be destroyed. I'm realy amazed how they fail to trace HA AT missiles.

[masterfx]

i dont c any action......

[Snauhi]

IDF reached Litani!!!!!!

[Snauhi]

sure aaron, just one more week. Meanwhile:

Saturday: More than 70 troops injured in Lebanon (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3290118,00.html)

While they lack to report 21 MBT lost. Besides a lot of these injured soldiers 'will die soon' because they are just 'formally' injured. Their death announcement is just not cleard to lower down the nummer of KIA.

BTW I just watched 3 Merkava tanks being destroyed while the forth was making smoke in order to save the passage for possible wounded tank crews. Well it just take less than 10 sec for 2 of Merkava's to be destroyed. I'm realy amazed how they fail to trace HA AT missiles.

What chaneel and provied proof... HA claim are like BB's onces

[MrWanted]

What chaneel and provied proof... HA claim are like BB's onces

An untrustworthy one namely AlJazeera. But hey don't let it fool you, others are not showing the footages so it must be a lie. :laugh4:

[Snauhi]

An untrustworthy one namely AlJazeera. But hey don't let it fool you, others are not showing the footages so it must be a lie. :laugh4:

Where can you watch Al-Jazeera... and got any pics?

[MrWanted]

IDF reached Litani!!!!!!

Don't forget to hide the different distances to Litani river, from a few km to 29km. And the question is how much doest it take for to have a 'tactical' retreat. Nevertheless these are all old trucs for IDF which have to provide Olmert with some victories in order to save his *** from going down the drain in the Zionist history.

[MrWanted]

Where can you watch Al-Jazeera... and got any pics?
Sorry no pic's as my tv is not connected with my pc. Other guys may be able, so by these I ask them to post some pic's or footages.

And I receive it via sattelite.

[Yoni45]

Wow, at the daily rate Hezbollah's destroying tanks, I'm surprised Israel HAS tanks left :rolleyes:

[Snauhi]

Wow, at the daily rate Hezbollah's destroying tanks, I'm surprised Israel HAS tanks left :rolleyes:

They are talking the truth...Israel lies like always... HA only suffered approximately 100 casulties and only 4 yesterday when IDF took Marjaoun. They destroy 20 daily, they kill 200000 of troops and keep sinking the boats.

[MrWanted]

They are talking the truth...Israel lies like always... HA only suffered approximately 100 casulties and only 4 yesterday when IDF took Marjaoun. They destroy 20 daily, they kill 200000 of troops and keep sinking the boats.

Well it's now 34 MBT disabled as for now. And there is also a Helo down with four more dead. So there are at least 15 dead and about 84 injured.

[Snauhi]

Well it's now 34 MBT disabled as for now. And there is also a Helo down with four more dead. So there are at least 15 dead and about 84 injured.

You got any proof that the tank were down?

[MrWanted]

You got any proof that the tank were down?

As much proof as you have to deny it. It's only my exprience with these broadcastings. I'm not a delusional kid looking for illusions. I truely trust the sources because of their long time coverage of issues I'm known to.

Don't you wonder why I'm not quoting Al Arabia or ANN or ANB? I'm sorry but there are a lot of reports and the ones your media reports are about 12 hours later. Snauhi you realy think your media is telling you all there is? I realy would like to have the true answer for this question.

[Snauhi]

As much proof as you have to deny it. It's only my exprience with these broadcastings. I'm not a delusional kid looking for illusions. I truely trust the sources because of their long time coverage of issues I'm known to.

Don't you wonder why I'm not quoting Al Arabia or ANN or ANB? I'm sorry but there are a lot of reports and the ones your media reports are about 12 hours later. Snauhi you realy think your media is telling you all there is? I realy would like to have the true answer for this question.

About losses yes... Israeli media never lied when it came to losses... give me a single source or somethin else when it did.

You proably dont know why IDF reports the losses later do you? Its because the family of the dead have to be informed first, its a bad taste if they hear the news of the dead on the news.

[Yoni45]

As much proof as you have to deny it. It's only my exprience with these broadcastings. I'm not a delusional kid looking for illusions. I truely trust the sources because of their long time coverage of issues I'm known to.

Don't you wonder why I'm not quoting Al Arabia or ANN or ANB? I'm sorry but there are a lot of reports and the ones your media reports are about 12 hours later. Snauhi you realy think your media is telling you all there is? I realy would like to have the true answer for this question.

Well, let's see, Al-Jazeera apparently broadcasts the truth, but before anyone takes another look for any evidence, they move on to their next piece of "truth"...

I think we're still waiting for proof of the F-16 that was shot down, the 2nd ship that Hezbollah sunk, the hundreds of Merkava tanks that Hezbollah has destroyed, etc., etc... And we don't really wonder why you're not quoting Al-Arabia, ANN, or ANB, we're assuming it's because you want to keep any shred of credibility you still have ;)

[IRI agent]

Zionists are losing - just face it

[Yoni45]

Zionists are losing - just face it

Of course they are! They've been losing every war they've fought, all the way from 1948, through '56, '67, '73, so on so forth. Didn't you hear the news? After every one of these wars ended, all the Arabs would exclaim how they defeated the Zionist enemy, time and time again. I'm not sure why anyone would even be surprised at the Arabs winning yet another war, it's no different than all the other wars they've won over the years!

/sarcasm...

[Snauhi]

Of course they are! They've been losing every war they've fought, all the way from 1948, through '56, '67, '73, so on so forth. Didn't you hear the news? After every one of these wars ended, all the Arabs would exclaim how they defeated the Zionist enemy, time and time again. I'm not sure why anyone would even be surprised at the Arabs winning yet another war, it's no different than all the other wars they've won over the years!

/sarcasm...

I completely agree... my grandfather told me how Arabic media was reporting the 67 war.. Every day they were talking about 100 of tanks destroyed and that IDF was fleeing and Arabs were advancing

[Yoni45]

I completely agree... my grandfather told me how Arabic media was reporting the 67 war.. Every day they were talking about 100 of tanks destroyed and that IDF was fleeing and Arabs were advancing

Seems familiar :p

[MrWanted]

About losses yes... Israeli media never lied when it came to losses... give me a single source or somethin else when it did.

You proably dont know why IDF reports the losses later do you? Its because the family of the dead have to be informed first, its a bad taste if they hear the news of the dead on the news.

Sorry I'm not buying to that line. Informing the family has to do when they want to give clearance to publish the names. Not the numbers.

And Israel has shown some HA bodies when they hacked into local AlManar broadcasting in Lebanon. So much for the myth of "respect for dead".

Well, let's see, Al-Jazeera apparently broadcasts the truth, but before anyone takes another look for any evidence, they move on to their next piece of "truth"...

I think we're still waiting for proof of the F-16 that was shot down, the 2nd ship that Hezbollah sunk, the hundreds of Merkava tanks that Hezbollah has destroyed, etc., etc... And we don't really wonder why you're not quoting Al-Arabia, ANN, or ANB, we're assuming it's because you want to keep any shred of credibility you still have ;)
There is no F16 down. The occasion you reffer to wasn't a HA claim but some journalist claim which they withdrew as soon as they had more conclusieve reports.

I appologies for my bad credibility. This is the best I can do. However the number of MBT for today have reached 37. You still loose personel and MBT's on places like Aita Ashab. IDF is now 11km deep into Lebanon. IDF doesn't enter villiages anymore. Even Maroun El Ras is empty of IDF. The only towns IDF has enterd since NasrallahGrad were christian villiages in Marjayoun. I don't know the coverage of war in your media but on some channels here there are in detail reports what the movements are. Btw the chopper was a unit transport chopper. It remain if it was on its way or its way back. No report on that. However never mind me.

And I would realy be happy to hear what is siad about the war on your media besides the oneliners of "we reached Litani"

[Snauhi]

Sorry I'm not buying to that line. Informing the family has to do when they want to give clearance to publish the names. Not the numbers.

And Israel has shown some HA bodies when they hacked into local AlManar broadcasting in Lebanon. So much for the myth of "respect for dead".
Just ask anyone is Israel... IDF NEVER published any numbers or names without informin the familiy

There is no F16 down. The occasion you reffer to wasn't a HA claim but some journalist claim which they withdrew as soon as they had more conclusieve reports.

I appologies for my bad credibility. This is the best I can do. However the number of MBT for today have reached 37. You still loose personel and MBT's on places like Aita Ashab. IDF is now 11km deep into Lebanon. IDF doesn't enter villiages anymore. Even Maroun El Ras is empty of IDF. The only towns IDF has enterd since NasrallahGrad were christian villiages in Marjayoun. I don't know the coverage of war in your media but on some channels here there are in detail reports what the movements are. Btw the chopper was a unit transport chopper. It remain if it was on its way or its way back. No report on that. However never mind me.

And I would realy be happy to hear what is siad about the war on your media besides the oneliners of "we reached Litani"
Of course the dont enter the villages... thats the point... you know blitzkrieg?
And yes IDF confirmed that the chopper was shot down with an ATGM after it was lifting off after it dropped the soldiers

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[Snauhi]

Israeli Mission Deep into Lebanon is Delayed
Israel said Thursday it stalls for two or three days the expansion of its ground offensive in Lebanon to give time to the U.N. Security Council to pass a resolution and end the fighting between Hezbollah and Israel.
On Wednesday, the Israeli cabinet sanctioned the military to expand in southern Lebanon up to the Litani River. But Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ordered to postpone enlarging the battlefield for a few days the next night. The acceleration has been shelved for two or three days, Israeli media reported referring to the sources with the cabinet. The delay will give more time to diplomacy in the U.N. Security Council.

The U.N. Security Council has been shaping the draft resolution on Lebanon for a few days, to no avail though. Lebanon rejected the first draft, as it didn’t reflect Beirut’s demand for immediate withdrawal of Israeli troops from Lebanon.

The key mastermind of the resolution, France, stepped in with another draft yesterday. It committed Israel to launch the withdrawal from southern Lebanon as soon as both Israel and Hezbollah cease military operations. But Israel doubted that deployment of 15,000 contingent of Lebanon and UNIFIL would defend it from rocket attacks of Hezbollah.

More likely than not, the diplomats won’t be able to elaborate the final draft within the three days given by Israel. The root cause of the Israeli decision not to move ahead for a few days could be the change of the U.S. rhetoric from the absolute support and acknowledgement of Israeli’s right for self-defense to calls against escalating the violence.

Moreover, the widening death toll of Israel in this military campaign proved the fractional efforts won’t do against Hezbollah. So, another reason of shelving the ground action could be the time needed to Israel to attack Hezbollah by the whole might and to arrange escalation into the bloodier stage of the war. Till the end of this week, Israel intends to invade the territory up to the Litani River, i.e. from 25km to 30km deep into Lebanon. The military will be moving bypassing population centers, capturing only strategic points, while the full-scale root-out of Hezbollah strongholds will start only after it. But this operation requires time for detailed elaboration and more units to carry it out.
http://www.kommersant.com/page.asp?idr=527&id=696792

[MrWanted]

I completely agree... my grandfather told me how Arabic media was reporting the 67 war.. Every day they were talking about 100 of tanks destroyed and that IDF was fleeing and Arabs were advancing

:roflmao3: Oh man. Afterall we have more in common than I knew. That's exactly what my grandfather was telling me all the time. Just like you said. :roflmao3:

[Yoni45]

Sorry I'm not buying to that line. Informing the family has to do when they want to give clearance to publish the names. Not the numbers.

And Israel has shown some HA bodies when they hacked into local AlManar broadcasting in Lebanon. So much for the myth of "respect for dead".

Numbers as well, it has to do with "worry". I know, sounds sad, but they go to great lengths about it. They don't publish anything until the family is informed. This way, once the numbers are published, say "9 killed", families that have not been notified know that their relatives are ok, because if anything had happened to them, they would have been notified by then...

As for the Al-Manar scenario, a bit extreme on the side of Israel, I'd agree, but the images weren't too detailed, and were fairly general...

There is no F16 down. The occasion you reffer to wasn't a HA claim but some journalist claim which they withdrew as soon as they had more conclusieve reports.

Actually, it was a claim by Al-Manar last i remember...

I appologies for my bad credibility. This is the best I can do. However the number of MBT for today have reached 37. You still loose personel and MBT's on places like Aita Ashab.

Didn't you name like over 20 vehicles taken out 2 days ago, on that day ALONE? 37 in the whole war seems more realistic, but that's likely operational kills, as in, disabled, not necessarily destroyed...

And I would realy be happy to hear what is siad about the war on your media besides the oneliners of "we reached Litani"

www.ynetnews.com ; www.haaretz.com ; www.jpost.com ;

You cite them frequently, but either way, see for yourself.

[MrWanted]

Numbers as well, it has to do with "worry". I know, sounds sad, but they go to great lengths about it. They don't publish anything until the family is informed. This way, once the numbers are published, say "9 killed", families that have not been notified know that their relatives are ok, because if anything had happened to them, they would have been notified by then...
It doesn't make sence because all families all the time are waiting to hear news hoping it won't come
As for the Al-Manar scenario, a bit extreme on the side of Israel, I'd agree, but the images weren't too detailed, and were fairly general...
It still contradicts the self stated principals


Actually, it was a claim by Al-Manar last i remember...
I don't remember it as Al-Manar report


Didn't you name like over 20 vehicles taken out 2 days ago, on that day ALONE? 37 in the whole war seems more realistic, but that's likely operational kills, as in, disabled, not necessarily destroyed...
I'm not kidding, don't you wonder why they have sent like numbers of infantry in when you guys have thousands of MBT's?


www.ynetnews.com ; www.haaretz.com ; www.jpost.com ;

You cite them frequently, but either way, see for yourself.
I know about these sites which I also read. I was hoping you had some more daily coverage from your tv broadcastings.

[Yoni45]

Answer outside the quotes please, makes it much easier to respond to :)


It doesn't make sence because all families all the time are waiting to hear news hoping it won't come

It makes perfect sense. If a family hears that "20 soldiers" are killed in S. Lebanon, and it doesn't know that they would have been notified, it would then worry that their own relatives could have been killed.

This way, if a family hears that "20 soldiers" are killed in S. Lebanon, it already knows that they didn't lose any relatives, because if they did, then they would have been already notified.

That's why Israel doesn't release numbers nor names until they're confirmed and families are notified.

It still contradicts the self stated principals

Indeed, and as I said, I do consider it somewhat extreme for them to have done that. That being said however, it's a one time infraction and a minor one considering what was shown wasn't extensive.

I don't remember it as Al-Manar report

Don't know the extent of credibility of this news site, however...

http://english.people.com.cn/200607/18/eng20060718_284191.html

"Earlier in the day, Hezbollah's television al-Manar reported that an Israeli F-16 fighter jet was shot down by the Shiite militant group in eastern Beirut, which was denied by Israel."

I'm not kidding, don't you wonder why they have sent like numbers of infantry in when you guys have thousands of MBT's?

They do send in MBT's, plenty of them, I'm pretty sure in the hundreds... They didnt send them straight to the Litani because they can't just be airlifted there, but they do use them...


As for the TV coverage, you'll need to ask Snauhi, I don't have Israeli tv available... it should be similar to what you find on the web though, they're pretty on-the-spot...

[Nev]

I just wish ALL the nations of the middle east could get along, and stop killing each other. I know this may sound naive, but after all these decades, centuries, and millenia of constant warfare, what has any side truly gained? It just seems to me, here on the other side of the world, that you people always find a reason to hate and kill each other. Now my country has been drawn into this quagmire. Why does the entire world have to suffer for the actions of a few countries in the middle east?

[jawwal]

Seems familiar :p

U are correct here, and it seems israel used the same tactics in lebanon. They finally joined the club.

[jawwal]

I just wish ALL the nations of the middle east could get along, and stop killing each other. I know this may sound naive, but after all these decades, centuries, and millenia of constant warfare, what has any side truly gained? It just seems to me, here on the other side of the world, that you people always find a reason to hate and kill each other. Now my country has been drawn into this quagmire. Why does the entire world have to suffer for the actions of a few countries in the middle east?

I wish that too, but wishes fall short in the face of occupations reality.

[Nev]

I wish that too, but wishes fall short in the face of occupations reality.

Jawwal, you speak of occupation reality, and I want to let you know I understand and respect your viewpoint. I am sorry to admit I have no solution to this problem. I would love to meet the person who does. I have done research into the socio-political and historical aspects of the Middle-East, and it seems to me that this struggle among religious and ethnic groups in the Middle-East ultimately goes back thousands of years. The nations of the Middle-East have never lacked for a reason to hate and kill each other. Virtually every nation that has achieved a certain level of development ends up caught up in between these rivalries. This is truly a world-problem. I can only hope that sometime, maybe, in this century we (humanity) can finally put this problem behind us. The American part of me wants to be optimistic, wants to believe a solution can be found, but I have began to see the futility of getting involved in this ancient struggle. The real problem (it seems to me) is the fact that it is impossible to intervene in this struggle without taking sides, or being accused of taking sides. Friend, if I ever think of a solution that does not involve killing a whole lot of people, I will make sure you are the first to know. Thank you.