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Sajjad
11-30-2007, 11:50 AM
US, Japan eye China after ships barred
By ERIC TALMADGE
Fri Nov 30

YOKOSUKA, Japan - The USS Kitty Hawk wasn't supposed to be here. It was supposed to be wrapping up a long-planned visit to Hong Kong, but China barred the ship at the last minute, offering little explanation.

Beijing, meanwhile, went ahead with plans for a high-profile port call of its own, making the Chinese military's first visit to Japan since World War II.

So, on Friday, a Chinese destroyer and the aging American aircraft carrier sat docked in the same waters, at separate ports, one quietly awaiting two months of repairs and the other basking in a flurry of welcoming ceremonies, honor bands and smiling assurances that China's ever-growing military is "very transparent."

Officially, Tokyo hailed the Chinese ship's visit.

"This is truly a new page in Japan-China relations," Adm. Eiji Yoshikawa, the chief of staff for Japan's navy, said at a ceremony for the guided missile cruiser Shenzhen, which docked at a Tokyo pier on Wednesday. "We welcome this visit with all our hearts."

But both Tokyo and Washington are deeply concerned about recent Chinese military activities, particularly its rapid improvements in missile technology, the modernization of its huge standing army and the expanding reach of its navy.

Early this year, tensions came to a head when China used a ground-based missile to shoot down an old weather satellite at an orbital height similar to that used by the U.S. military. It was the first-ever such test by any nation.

Tokyo and Washington are also troubled by double-digit growth in China's annual military spending, coupled with Beijing's reluctance to divulge military-related information, all of which made the Kitty Hawk incident last week even more disconcerting.

Relations between the U.S. and China have also been strained in recent months by disputes over trade and Iran's nuclear program.

Several days before the aircraft carrier and its strike group were turned back, Beijing refused to let two U.S. Navy minesweepers enter Hong Kong harbor to escape an approaching storm and refuel. The minesweepers, the Patriot and the Guardian, were instead refueled at sea and returned safely to their home port in Japan.

The Kitty Hawk, which had been scheduled to return on Dec. 1, arrived at this base just south of Tokyo on Tuesday.

U.S. military officials protested Beijing's seeming caprice. President Bush mentioned it in a meeting with Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi at the White House on Wednesday.

Yang called it a "misunderstanding," but offered no apology.

But in Beijing, Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao later backed away from that characterization, saying that ties had been "disturbed and harmed" by "erroneous" U.S. actions.

Liu specifically mentioned the U.S. Congress' awarding its highest civilian honor to the Dalai Lama last month as an issue that had upset relations. Though the Tibetan spiritual leader is lauded in much of the world as a figure of moral authority, Beijing demonizes the monk and claims he seeks to destroy China's sovereignty by pushing for independence for Tibet.

Also hurting relations were arms sales to Taiwan, an island which China regards as a renegade province, he said.

But U.S. military officials balked at such explanations.

"As someone who has been going to sea all my life, if there is one tenet that we observe it's when somebody is in need you provide (assistance) and you sort it out later," Adm. Gary Roughead, the chief of U.S. naval operations, told reporters Thursday.

Adm. Timothy Keating, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, was more blunt.

"This is perplexing. It's not helpful," he said of the port call incidents. "It's not, in our view, conduct that is indicative of a country that understands its obligations as a responsible nation."

Japan, which forms a natural arc blocking China from the Pacific, is in a highly sensitive position.

While it hosts the largest U.S. naval base overseas, Tokyo has emphasized expanded engagement with China in hopes of opening up Beijing and keeping potential flare-ups under control.

Economic cooperation has grown rapidly, but political ties continue to be colored by regional rivalry and a lingering legacy of animosity from Japan's invasion and occupation of parts of China in the 1930s and '40s.

The potential for clashes at sea is particularly high.

Japan and China have territorial disputes over gas fields in the East China Sea, and Japan depends heavily on sea lanes near China for the free passage of its oil imports from the Middle East.

Aboard the Shenzhen, Rear Adm. Xiao Xinnian said worries about China's military growth are unfounded.

"There shouldn't be any concern," he told a small group of reporters. "In my personal opinion, China's effort to modernize its military is very transparent."

He added that China's military strategy is defensive and its growth is in step with the growth of China's economy and international role.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_as/china_us_navy

QQ阿
11-30-2007, 12:26 PM
I was kinda looking forward to this port visit in Hong Kong, there was a big hype.

Many dissapointed family members of the sailors.

Vinay
12-01-2007, 03:36 AM
The dictators in China should never be trusted.

sahaliyan
12-01-2007, 06:29 AM
The dictators in China should never be trusted.

I don't trust CCP,but I don't think an Indian person has rights to blame CCP

Vinay
12-01-2007, 06:49 AM
Friend,

The dictators anywhere should not be trusted.

So as a person living in a semi free country, you expect me to sit quiet while the dictators ravage the world.

In fact there should be more people like me, a popular revolution against those crooks.

sahaliyan
12-01-2007, 07:22 AM
I live in China,I don't support CCP,but I think CCP will bring democrazy to China in the future.We enjoy more free than before,and I think we will gain more rights in the future.I don't think foreigners can understand China,they can't help Chinese,we don't need their help
So though I don't support CCP,I don't aginst CCP

Vinay
12-01-2007, 07:27 AM
I live in China,I don't support CCP,but I think CCP will bring democrazy to China in the future.We enjoy more free than before,and I think we will gain more rights in the future.I don't think foreigners can understand China,they can't help Chinese,we don't need their help
So though I don't support CCP,I don't aginst CCP

You thinks those idiot ruling bijing are interested in giving up power.
See i amy not understand chinese, but i understand humans. and that hu is a human first.

PS: You are a nationalist.

sahaliyan
12-01-2007, 07:58 AM
Of cource,CCP will still in power a long time,of couece,human first
But you must know,1840-1976,we face 136 years turbulence and terror,200 million Chinese dead in those years,so we need stability,we need more time to let China richer,though CCP did many evil things, at least now,their policies make us richer.
From anciet time,China is not a democratic country,we are Emperor's subjects,how can a 5000 years old Empire turn democrazy,it needs more time.If now,CCP give up power,we will face turbulence and terror again.
If China become richer,most people are high educated,then democrazy will come.

QQ阿
12-01-2007, 11:55 AM
That is correct, most people nowadays, just wants stability, good economy and a prosperous country.

zstar
12-06-2007, 07:40 PM
U.S can go get pissed for all i care.

Do see the all the rapes and other crimes their naval officers commit in Japan? Disgusting people who should not set foot on China.

sahaliyan
12-06-2007, 09:38 PM
American soldiers are very hungry for sex

QQ阿
12-06-2007, 09:38 PM
American soldiers are very hungry for sex

:roflmao3::roflmao3:

lBlackWaterl
12-07-2007, 11:16 PM
I was kinda looking forward to this port visit in Hong Kong, there was a big hype.

Many dissapointed family members of the sailors.

What is this port visit?
What happens during these visits and who are these families. can you fill me in?

lBlackWaterl
12-07-2007, 11:18 PM
U.S can go get pissed for all i care.

Do see the all the rapes and other crimes their naval officers commit in Japan? Disgusting people who should not set foot on China.

funny you mension US rape crimes and you mension japan as the victim. Huge irony there.
No offense to my japense friends here. Japan is my fav country

Vinay
12-08-2007, 12:23 AM
American soldiers are very hungry for sex


China dont have that problem, because they are all homos?????:roflmao3:

Vladimir80
12-08-2007, 12:25 AM
funny you mension US rape crimes and you mension japan as the victim. Huge irony there.
No offense to my japense friends here. Japan is my fav country

Japanese kicked US Marines off Okinawa due to all the rapes... they are now stationing in Guam.

sahaliyan
12-08-2007, 12:29 AM
China dont have that problem, because they are all homos?????:roflmao3:

We are all humans, so we all need sex.But rape is wrong,our soldiers never do this criminal,we love our army so much,long live PLA

Vinay
12-08-2007, 12:33 AM
,we love our army so much,long live PLA

Then long live the genocide in tibet.

sahaliyan
12-08-2007, 12:51 AM
Then long live the genocide in tibet.

Ah,dear viney,even Dalai Lama admits he is a Chinese,Tibet is apart of China.I know PLA made some mistakes in Tibet,but no genocide in tibet.As a Chinese,I always respect Buddhism

sahaliyan
12-08-2007, 01:04 AM
In addition, both the ROC and PRC inherited the Qing territory by legal terms, stated in the Abdication Edict:

"I, the Empress Dowager...together with the emperor, hereby hand ove rthe sovererignty to be the possession of the whole people...that peace may be assured to the people whilst the complete integrity of te five races, Han, Manchus, Mongols, Muhammedans, and Tibetans, is at the same time maintained, making together a great state under the title the Republic of China."

QQ阿
12-08-2007, 10:12 AM
What is this port visit?
What happens during these visits and who are these families. can you fill me in?

It was a scheduled port visit by the US carrier USS Kitty Hawk in Hong Kong so the family and friends of the sailors came to Hong Kong to greet them and celebrate thanksgiving.

Normally on port visits the sailors would go on a spending spree in HK especially during this festive time. This would also be a good thing for Hong Kong's economy.

Since the Chinese government refused entry, USS Kitty Hawk sailed back to Japan with many dissapointed family and friends.

lBlackWaterl
12-08-2007, 10:13 AM
Japanese kicked US Marines off Okinawa due to all the rapes... they are now stationing in Guam.

i thought USMC's were still in okinawa at that kadena airbase

QQ阿
12-08-2007, 10:13 AM
We are all humans, so we all need sex.

I don't think I could disagree with this. :roflmao3:

lBlackWaterl
12-08-2007, 10:15 AM
It was a scheduled port visit by the US carrier USS Kitty Hawk in Hong Kong so the family and friends of the sailors came to Hong Kong to greet them and celebrate thanksgiving.

Normally on port visits the sailors would go on a spending spree in HK especially during this festive time. This would also be a good thing for Hong Kong's economy.

Since the Chinese government refused entry, USS Kitty Hawk sailed back to Japan with many dissapointed family and friends.

oh, that kinda sucks. Oh well hong kong is a magical city anyways so atleast it wasent for nothing

QQ阿
12-08-2007, 10:23 AM
oh, that kinda sucks. Oh well hong kong is a magical city anyways so atleast it wasent for nothing

That's true, maybe another time.

skhara
12-08-2007, 01:10 PM
"This is perplexing. It's not helpful," he said of the port call incidents. "It's not, in our view, conduct that is indicative of a country that understands its obligations as a responsible nation."

:roflmao3::roflmao3:

What hubris.

Mohmar 'Deathstrike'
12-15-2007, 07:15 AM
I was kinda looking forward to this port visit in Hong Kong, there was a big hype.

Many dissapointed family members of the sailors.I'm sure those sailors without family in Hong Kong were very disappointed too.

QQ阿
12-15-2007, 10:33 AM
I'm sure those sailors without family in Hong Kong were very disappointed too.

Most likely, but this is politics. It is a shame really, I wanted the US sailors to spend all their money. :roflmao3: