Maps of the fighting day by day

[Snauhi]

Today
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[MrWanted]

nice, keep posting it. Thanks

[MrWanted]

Amazing 32 days and still fighting a few km inside Lebanon. Actually the whole area is small but raugh. Still really amazing.

[burster]

MrWanted,

It's Olmert. The IDF had a plan designed to take out everything south of the Litani in two weeks. Olmert vetoed it. Which is why some people are calling for Olmert to resign. I think a lot of it has to do with Kadima's political platform on disengagement. They can't admit that disengagement won't work, so they have to try and calm down Lebanon without suffering too many IDF casualties. Of course, Hezbollah did not go along and was stronger on the ground then they expected. I also think the head of the IDF, Halutz, being air force with no experience with ground warfare, thought it could all be done from the air.

Other info coming in indicates that Israeli reserve forces are short on all kinds of equipment. I don't know if all the mistakes are enough to result in a change of government in Israel, but it may be the beginning of the end for Olmert. When I found out he was a high-priced lawyer before being a politician, it made me even more suspicious of his actions.

Amazing 32 days and still fighting a few km inside Lebanon. Actually the whole area is small but raugh. Still really amazing.

[TankHunter]

I wonder what the Eng units are being used for...

[MrWanted]

MrWanted,

It's Olmert. The IDF had a plan designed to take out everything south of the Litani in two weeks. Olmert vetoed it. Which is why some people are calling for Olmert to resign. I think a lot of it has to do with Kadima's political platform on disengagement. They can't admit that disengagement won't work, so they have to try and calm down Lebanon without suffering too many IDF casualties. Of course, Hezbollah did not go along and was stronger on the ground then they expected. I also think the head of the IDF, Halutz, being air force with no experience with ground warfare, thought it could all be done from the air.

Other info coming in indicates that Israeli reserve forces are short on all kinds of equipment. I don't know if all the mistakes are enough to result in a change of government in Israel, but it may be the beginning of the end for Olmert. When I found out he was a high-priced lawyer before being a politician, it made me even more suspicious of his actions.

Trust me IDF wouldn't pull back from Ben Jubeil if they had it, Nor maroun El Ras. there was a long time 10 000 troops were active in Lebanon OFFICIALLY. Well trust me the ratio of HA IDF is not even 1:1 in favour of HA.

MARK my words if I say Zionists are not afraid of loosing some soldiers and tanks when it comes to loosing their detterence. They lost more than they could handle and HA did an amazing job wether it was man to man fighting, tactic or even strategic.

When was the last time Israel accepted a cease fire just score some useless resolution. In a few month we'll discuss how it's implemented and what has been the fate of Olmert.

The best achievement for Arabs was resistance brings you your right not appeasment. The "new middle east" is already there, just not the way C Rise intended. You also see how Iran will react to nuclear resolutions. Meanwhile Israel lost 20 year of PR. If this is not a failure, I don't know what it is. It's only a shame that Lebanese civilians had to pay for it.

You lost not only the war, but also the peace. People are already starting to state that Hariri death and pull out of Syria was a Zionist plot, and this time not only the cedar guards.

[burster]

MrWanted,

You really need to distinguish between your desire for something to happen, and what is really happening. A tactical retreat from Bint Jbeil is not necessarily an indication of strategic defeat. Do we see the Israeli army streaming back across the border in defeat, with hundreds of Israeli tanks burning in the fields of Southern Lebanon, with Hezbollah in hot pursuit? No, we do not. Do we have definitive and accurate numbers on Hezbollah fighters killed and wounded? No, we do not. What we do know is that Israeli forces continue to advance and attack Hezbollah forces, the Israeli air force dominates the skies over Southern Lebanon, and fighting continues. Can Hezbollah infiltrate a few fighters into a town already occupied, to make it difficult for the IDF? Sure. But difficult is not a debacle. As they often say in the US military, it's not over till the fat lady sings, and as far as southern Lebanon is concerned, she hasn't even arrived at the opera house yet.

Trust me IDF wouldn't pull back from Ben Jubeil if they had it, Nor maroun El Ras. there was a long time 10 000 troops were active in Lebanon OFFICIALLY. Well trust me the ratio of HA IDF is not even 1:1 in favour of HA.

MARK my words if I say Zionists are not afraid of loosing some soldiers and tanks when it comes to loosing their detterence. They lost more than they could handle and HA did an amazing job wether it was man to man fighting, tactic or even strategic.

When was the last time Israel accepted a cease fire just score some useless resolution. In a few month we'll discuss how it's implemented and what has been the fate of Olmert.

The best achievement for Arabs was resistance brings you your right not appeasment. The "new middle east" is already there, just not the way C Rise intended. You also see how Iran will react to nuclear resolutions. Meanwhile Israel lost 20 year of PR. If this is not a failure, I don't know what it is. It's only a shame that Lebanese civilians had to pay for it.

You lost not only the war, but also the peace. People are already starting to state that Hariri death and pull out of Syria was a Zionist plot, and this time not only the cedar guards.

[MrWanted]

MrWanted,

You really need to distinguish between your desire for something to happen, and what is really happening. A tactical retreat from Bint Jbeil is not necessarily an indication of strategic defeat. Do we see the Israeli army streaming back across the border in defeat, with hundreds of Israeli tanks burning in the fields of Southern Lebanon, with Hezbollah in hot pursuit? No, we do not. Do we have definitive and accurate numbers on Hezbollah fighters killed and wounded? No, we do not. What we do know is that Israeli forces continue to advance and attack Hezbollah forces, the Israeli air force dominates the skies over Southern Lebanon, and fighting continues. Can Hezbollah infiltrate a few fighters into a town already occupied, to make it difficult for the IDF? Sure. But difficult is not a debacle. As they often say in the US military, it's not over till the fat lady sings, and as far as southern Lebanon is concerned, she hasn't even arrived at the opera house yet.

Well while you're right about the fact that a tactical retreat is not necessarily an indication of strategic defeat, this time it was. The reason I say it is the fact that IDF changed it's policy from capturing towns to surrendering them.

There is no proof for your "accurate" numbers just like there is no proof you have killed any of HA cadre or damaged their rocket cappabilities by any meaning full capabilities.

you'r pushing trough doesn't mean anything when you keep going forward, ending up in having a small "security zone" of a few kilometers, and still getting hit in places "secured" weeks ago. Then you have to look at the nature of your opponent and you see there is no line. They hit you where and when they choose to.

It's not difficult, it's mission impossible. Arik tried it for years and it was that man who saw it's not possible. What fought against IDF for 20 years, is not going to give ground, even neglecting their natural evolution.

The fat lady is hiding not to far, it needs so see some more blood in order to come out.