Azerbaijan distorting Iranian history

[Alex]

Azerbaijan's state-run AzTV is planning to produce a 'documentary' which will depict a distorted history of Iran under the Safavid Dynasty.
http://www.presstv.ir/photo/20071206/hassani_rad20071206195832093.JPG
According to the TV network's website, the movie will introduce the dynasty as an Azeri empire which ruled over Azerbaijan for 240 years.

The website claimed that the official language of Iran under the Safavid Dynasty had been Azeri.

The Republic of Azerbaijan has recently published maps on which the Iranian Empire under the Safavid Dynasty is termed as the Safavid State of Azerbaijan.

This is while the former Azerbaijani President, Heydar Aliev, had promised to ban the publication of distorted historical material and maps by state-run agencies.

MHR/HGH
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=33955&sectionid=351020105

[Jamasb]

How uncool. Not to mention that Safavids were Iranians of Azeri origin.

[Zakali]

Another Iranian propaganda.

Go and find another thing, don't make us laugh.

[Jamasb]

Another Iranian propaganda.

Go and find another thing, don't make us laugh.

Truly, Caspian warrior, why do you think Safavids were not of Iranian origin? If they were Azeris, as you claim, then they were not so good Azeri rulers, since they allowed to have the strength of Qizilbashes seriously weakened (killed, in other words) at Chaldaran battle. Also they moved the capital to Esfahan, while they could keep it in Tabriz or Kazvin.

You need not see "Iranian propaganda" everywhere. Or if you want to see it everywhere, why don't you just say "Aryan propaganda"?

[Zakali]

I meant different thing.

They was from Southern Azerbaijan wich is Iranian Azerbaijan. Not Northern Azerbaijan.

Why we should distoring Iranian History?

Saffavis where Southern Azerbaijanis and the land during Saffavids was called Saffavi not "Persia".

[1980s]

Saffavis where Southern Azerbaijanis and the land during Saffavids was called Saffavi not "Persia".

They were Qizilbash and the name Safavi was originally the name of their Sufi order, not the name of the Safavid realm.

[Amir]

Another Iranian propaganda.

Go and find another thing, don't make us laugh.

No it is European propaganda

[Amir]

Saffavis where Southern Azerbaijanis and the land during Saffavids was called Saffavi not "Persia".


lol no the land was called Aliyevistan, there was no such a thing as Iran.

[Infomailas]

Shah Isma'il, adopted the title of "Persian Emperor" Pādišah-ī Īrān, with its implicit notion of an Iranian state stretching from Khorasan as far as Euphrates, and from the Oxus to the southern Territories of the Persian Gulf, According to Professor Roger Savory.
or for that matter, look at correspondence between the safavid court and other courts, for example the Ottoman, you will se that the ottoman also refers the safavids with Iranian shahs. sometimes you can look at coins from the era and you will also see that the safavids refered to themselves as Iranian shahs.
just go to Iran and look at the documents from the safavid court (or any other documents from the safavid era, you will se that they clearly described themselves as Iranian shahs.


This kind of things form countries, to steel other countries history is quite normal for new states with no real history, they need to make up one to justify themselves. In 200 years when the Republic of Azerbaijan has its own history it will no longer steel other countries history but will have a real one for themselves. The same thing happened in Europe at the end of the dark ages when European nations were being formed

[Shamshir of Light]

yeah I know caspian warrior has been distorting everyones history even his own

[Iranium]

Shah Isma'il, adopted the title of "Persian Emperor" P?dišah-? ?r?n, with its implicit notion of an Iranian state stretching from Khorasan as far as Euphrates, and from the Oxus to the southern Territories of the Persian Gulf, According to Professor Roger Savory.
or for that matter, look at correspondence between the safavid court and other courts, for example the Ottoman, you will se that the ottoman also refers the safavids with Iranian shahs. sometimes you can look at coins from the era and you will also see that the safavids refered to themselves as Iranian shahs.
just go to Iran and look at the documents from the safavid court (or any other documents from the safavid era, you will se that they clearly described themselves as Iranian shahs.


This kind of things form countries, to steel other countries history is quite normal for new states with no real history, they need to make up one to justify themselves. In 200 years when the Republic of Azerbaijan has its own history it will no longer steel other countries history but will have a real one for themselves. The same thing happened in Europe at the end of the dark ages when European nations were being formed

Another genius equating persian and iranian, they dont need to be "persian emperor" to be Iranian.:tired1_24:

in fact, in iran no one calls himself "fars" , people just refers to thier CITY of origin. i.e tehrani, shirazi, esfehani, mashahadi, rashti, tabrizi, ahvazi etc.

[Infomailas]

Another genius equating persian and iranian, they dont need to be "persian emperor" to be Iranian.:tired1_24:

in fact, in iran no one calls himself "fars" , people just refers to thier CITY of origin. i.e tehrani, shirazi, esfehani, mashahadi, rashti, tabrizi, ahvazi etc.

you are right of course.
i think the reason he uses the term "Persian emproer" is because outside Iran people knew the land as "Persia" instead of Iran (until Reza Shah). i think he used the term Persia instead of Iran to not confuse people, in the Farsi spelling he writes Pādišah-ī Īrān, so he is clearly aware of the fact that in Iran the country was called Iran and not Persia.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

you are right of course.
i think the reason he uses the term "Persian emproer" is because outside Iran people knew the land as "Persia" instead of Iran (until Reza Shah). i think he used the term Persia instead of Iran to not confuse people, in the Farsi spelling he writes Pādišah-ī Īrān, so he is clearly aware of the fact that in Iran the country was called Iran and not Persia.

Is there a clear contention that Iran is the center and remnant of the Ancient persia? Iran is a cognate for Aryan..

[Zakali]

I see that Persians can't beat that Saffavids ruled Iran for 200 years.

The land was not called any Persia, i can't understand why they type Persia on map.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

is this another CW bashing thread? we know that azarbaijan is doing this for their own audience only.. its not about truth.. purely politics..

[Amir]

I see that Persians can't beat that Saffavids ruled Iran for 200 years.

The land was not called any Persia, i can't understand why they type Persia on map.


Azeris and Persians were united against your Ottoman brothers and what matters the most is what Iranians actually called their country ...

[Zakali]

Azeris and Persians were united against your Ottoman brothers and what matters the most is what Iranians actually called their country ...

Thats true. I don't deny it.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Azeris and Persians were united against your Ottoman brothers and what matters the most is what Iranians actually called their country ...

what matters is recognition by the academic historian community and the international society/fora..

[Amir]

what matters is recognition by the academic historian community and the international society/fora..

Not important at all, we know our history/language better than any one else.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Not important at all, we know our history/language better than any one else.

but for it to gain "legitimacy" it needs global acceptance..

what is called external sovereignty..

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Corsiacans can say that forever.. but even their greatest man ever Napoleon never forwarded the argument of corsican independence..

[Zakali]

Azerbaijan and Iran have alot in common.

Thats simple and everyone know it.

EX both are Shia states and share some cultural ties.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Azerbaijan and Iran have alot in common.

Thats simple and everyone know it.

EX both are Shia states and share some cultural ties.

Thats because they used to be part of whats left of Persia (Iran)

[Zakali]

I mean that news is wrong.

Safavids belong to both Azerbaijan and Iran.

So Azerbaijan has right to claim it.

[Amir]

I mean that news is wrong.

Safavids belong to both Azerbaijan and Iran.

So Azerbaijan has right to claim it.


Are you kidding me ? Saffavid never called their country "Azerbaijan".

[Zakali]

But they was Azerbaijani.

And they neither called their land "Persia".

[Amir]

But they was Azerbaijani.

And they neither called their land "Persia".

They called their country Iran.

[Zakali]

U don't need to post same thing 4 times.

U know why Azerbaijan Republic is Shia majority today? Because of Safavids. Otherwise majority of us would be Sunni like our Dagestani neighbours or even worse Orthodox Christian like our Armenian, Georgian and Russian neighbours.

Safavids belong to both Azerbaijan and Iran. Also to whole Shia world.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

U don't need to post same thing 4 times.

U know why Azerbaijan Republic is Shia majority today? Because of Safavids. Otherwise majority of us would be Sunni like our Dagestani neighbours or even worse Orthodox Christian like our Armenian, Georgian and Russian neighbours.

Safavids belong to both Azerbaijan and Iran. Also to whole Shia world.

whole shia world? lebanon?

[Zakali]

whole shia world? lebanon?

Never mind.

[Amir]

U don't need to post same thing 4 times.

I'm not attention seeker, it was connection problem.



U know why Azerbaijan Republic is Shia majority today? Because of Safavids. Otherwise majority of us would be Sunni like our Dagestani neighbours or even worse Orthodox Christian like our Armenian, Georgian and Russian neighbours.
Safavids belong to both Azerbaijan and Iran. Also to whole Shia world.



Our country was called Iran. This is like you tell me Americans should claim Carey Foster as one of their own

[Amir]

whole shia world? lebanon?

Some parts of India/Pakistan/ Shias of Ali (as) back in 1400 years a go ... :laugh4:

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Some parts of India/Pakistan/ Shias of Ali (as) back in 1400 years a go ... :laugh4:

Lebanon? :wub2:

[Zakali]

Lebanon? :wub2:

Azerbaijan are Shia because of Safavids.

Other Shia world are Shia because of influence from Ali (as).

What i meant was that Safavids was respectfull in whole Shia world. They raised Shiasim.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Azerbaijan are Shia because of Safavids.

Other Shia world are Shia because of influence from Ali (as).

What i meant was that Safavids was respectfull in whole Shia world. They raised Shiasim.

agree... :laugh4:

[Zakali]

Shiaism*.....

[Darius]

Shiaism*.....

Genetically you are Iranic, the name of your country is Iranian, the name of your nation is Iranian, your history is entwined with the Iranian history, the name of your capital and many cities are Persian, your main poet Nezami was an Iranian and recited in Persian and Ganje is a Persian word too... Nothing matters to you? You have forgotten your Arrani (Irani) language and now you speak in an alien Turkic one. But even then, you don't say "nasilsin" as Turks. You say "najursan". In response you don't say "iyim". You'd rather answer: "Yaxshi"... So, even linguistically you and Turks are different.

Now make out who you are.

[Darius]

Azerbaijan are Shia because of Safavids.

Other Shia world are Shia because of influence from Ali (as).

What i meant was that Safavids was respectfull in whole Shia world. They raised Shiasim.

Sefevids? What have they got to do with you if you are not Iranian? Who can argue that Sefevids were other than Iranians?

[Zakali]

Genetically you are Iranic, the name of your country is Iranian, the name of your nation is Iranian, your history is entwined with the Iranian history, the name of your capital and many cities are Persian, your main poet Nezami was an Iranian and recited in Persian and Ganje is a Persian word too... Nothing matters to you? You have forgotten your Arrani (Irani) language and now you speak in an alien Turkic one. But even then, you don't say "nasilsin" as Turks. You say "najursan". In response you don't say "iyim". You'd rather answer: "Yaxshi"... So, even linguistically you and Turks are different.

Now make out who you are.

Can u show me genetic stuidies about people of Azerbaijan Republic?

How do u know? LOL.

[Darius]

Can u show me genetic stuidies about people of Azerbaijan Republic?

How do u know? LOL.

For that God's given us a couple of eyes and a brain up there to look around and grasp knowledge.
I strongly feel for brain-washed people m8.

[skhara]

Glorius empire of Azerbaijan? Distorting history? No friggin' way. :tongue2:

[Zakali]

What?.....

[Darius]

Ha ha... Who'd believe that grotesque

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Caspian warrior is a heck of an azeri warrior.. he makes everything have a color of azarbaijan but when we really focus on azerbaijan suddenly the issue is about Iran..

[Zakali]

What the hell are u talkin about?

[Intrn'l_relations101]

HR violations in azarbaijan..

[Zakali]

HR violations in azarbaijan..

Media freedom? We don't need it ok?

[Intrn'l_relations101]

then you have EUro-vissions?

[Zakali]

then you have EUro-vissions?

No, we don't neither want EU.

Not now.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

NATO? what about that.. you always talked about those accession

[Zakali]

NATO? what about that.. you always talked about those accession

Yes we will join Nato to protect ourselv from Russia.

But i guess after 2010.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Fix your human rights first..

[Zakali]

Fix your human rights first..

Ok. :roflmao3:

[Darius]

Does it really matter what you guess? Why after 2010?

Yes we will join Nato to protect ourselv from Russia.

But i guess after 2010.

[Zakali]

Does it really matter what you guess? Why after 2010?

I don't know why. But Nato will accept Georgia and Azerbaijan after 2010.

[Darius]

Fix your human rights first..

As if all NATO members got brilliant HR records. Do you belong to one of them?

[Darius]

What the hell are u talkin about?

It is not the hell we are talking about. It's Azerbaijan we are discussing.:)

[Sokuy30]

we all miss "Payam" here!

[persis000]

U don't need to post same thing 4 times.

U know why Azerbaijan Republic is Shia majority today? Because of Safavids. Otherwise majority of us would be Sunni like our Dagestani neighbours or even worse Orthodox Christian like our Armenian, Georgian and Russian neighbours.

Safavids belong to both Azerbaijan and Iran. Also to whole Shia world.

Azerbaijan is an state /province, Iran is a nation/country
North Azerbaijan, like south Azerbaijan were states within the Greater Iran...IranZamin
Safavids kings were from south Azerbaijan so there country naturally was Iran so they rightfully called themselves an Iranian Dynasty, ... even today south Azerbaijan is still part of Iran, at least the last time, I looked at the world map!... please learn to distinguish between a province and a country (Geography 101)