US Congress notified of AWACS sale to Saudi Arabia

[JF-17 Thunder]

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JF-17 Thunder

[cedar]

the patriot pac 3 is the best option for uae definately beats the s-400 but i hear their getting the s-400 also. Thats a strange mix.

[IR.IRAN]

against iran? lol looks like the saudis and uae's are trying to show off again, they are incapable of doing anything against iran or any nation for that case. they are just wasting their money.
If the saudi government had any brains it would realise that iran is not the threat and usa is

[Iranian Guards]

:roflmao3: saudi arabia must first get rid of US bases on their soil then they can talk :roflmao3::roflmao3:

[Supreme]

the patriot pac 3 is the best option for uae definately beats the s-400 but i hear their getting the s-400 also. Thats a strange mix.

Do you have any evidence that it beats the S-400?

[cedar]

i have read much reports and i will search for them to give u evidence. but u should learn from history yankee products always a step ahead of the rest. give any nation a choice of free weapons and 99.9% will opt for american not russian. Thats the test.

[Vladimir80]

S-400 is so good Turkish commanders favour it over PAC-3.

[cedar]

usa is becoming very strict with turkey in military sales so turkey is sometimes going to russia. eg the new f-16s turkey is getting came with a million conditions like cant attack kurds etc and are going to take foerever to arrive. When countries go to russia its not always what they prefer but are getting sick of conditions that come with usa conditions

[Vladimir80]

When US allies turn to Russian equipments they do so because it is superior.

[cedar]

believe as u wish

[Vladimir80]

It is as it is against their foreign policy interests to do so.

[Vladimir80]

Lol. That's a good one.

This coming from someone who thinks the FC-1 is a 5th generation fighter.

[Vladimir80]

Lol. Quote me brother.

LOLz...yeah really. The JF-17 is a 4.5 to 5th Generation fighter Jet. Outdated as well? LMFAO! The Russians will sell those Engines, even if it means lying to India, one of their top export customers.:roflmao3:


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[BornB4]

This coming from someone who thinks the FC-1 is a 5th generation fighter.Russian equipment has never failed India in kicking Pakistan's butt.:)

[cedar]

Russian equipment has never failed India in kicking Pakistan's butt.:)

India has a massive numbers volume superiority over pakistan also pakistan gets only a small amount of usa jets we are talking like 20 or 30 old and outa date f-16s. Dont forget the decades of sanctions that make these jets backwards. If the usa would give the same amount of weapons to pakistan as russia would give india Pakistan will give it to india. Trust me Usa is no Pakistan allie.
Time will reviel that they will be an enemy to Pakistan.

[Supreme]

India has a massive numbers volume superiority over pakistan also pakistan gets only a small amount of usa jets we are talking like 20 or 30 old and outa date f-16s. Dont forget the decades of sanctions that make these jets backwards. If the usa would give the same amount of weapons to pakistan as russia would give india Pakistan will give it to india. Trust me Usa is no Pakistan allie.
Time will reviel that they will be an enemy to Pakistan.

stop with the lame excuses please.

and whatever happened to showing me proof that the pac-3 was superior to the S-400?

[Iranian Guards]

The Revolutionary Guards will squeeze the balls of saudi arabia till their eyes pope out.

[cedar]

The Revolutionary Guards will squeeze the balls of saudi arabia till their eyes pope out.

They could but how are these revolutionary guards gonna get into saudi?

[cedar]

stop with the lame excuses please.

and whatever happened to showing me proof that the pac-3 was superior to the S-400?

Comparing S-400 and PAC3 is like comparing apple and oranges. S-400 easily weigh 3300 kg to 4000 kg. Pac 3 weighs only 320 kg (about 700 pound). S-400 is a very heavy, long range and high altitude SAM while PAC 3 is shorter range missile with a much smaller foot print. A better comparison is between SM-2 block IV AER which according to some sources has a range that slighly exceed 400km. This means SM-2 block 4 AER has a slighly longer range than S-400 even though it weighs only about 1500 kg. The SM-2 Eram is a derivative of the current missile with a AMRAAM active seeker replacing the current semi-active guidance. This missile definitely would has a slightly longer useful range against low flying target that is flying near beyond the horizon. The theoritical maximum range of S-400 and Sm-2 bk4 aer is useless is attainable against target flying flow and below the radar foot print beyond the horizon. Having said that, lets talk about PAC3 again. RUSSIAN sources credited Pac3 with a range of 15AC-2 0km. A missile range has to do more with its length and diameter than just pure weight. The 1900 pound PAC 2 has a much larger diameter than Pac 3 but both missile is similar in length. The motor length of both missile os also about equal. This means that if both missile uses the same propellant, their range should not be very much different since the smaller size of Pac3 is compensated for its lighter weight and smaller drag due to a smaller diameter. Since Pac2 has a range of 160 km against slow incoming target, it is entirely reasonable to assume that PAC3 has a range of 150km. Now PAC3 will soon get a very MAJOR upgrade on its motor that extend its range against ballistic missile by 50% and against air breathing target by 100%. This mean that PAC 3 may soon has a range of 300km against slow incoming target, that is not far from S-400 range of 400km. But PAC 3 is less than 10% the size of S-400. Thats what is remarkable. The electronics of PAC3 is also more reliable and more advance and jam resistence than S-400. Being a hit to kill missile demand great accuracy and agility too. PAC 3 is probably a better missile than S-400 in most area with the exception of maximum range and COST efficiency. Pac 3 is probably more expensive than S-400 despite being only 10% the size of S-400. WHy so expensive? US labour is more expensive and the hit to kill mechanism is very delicate.

[oguzhansx1]

E3 sentry is planning to retire.