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Sajjad
12-11-2007, 10:18 PM
Iran has built Opteron-based supercomputer

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December 06, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Despite federal antiterrorism trade sanctions that bar the sale of U.S.-made computer technology to Iran, a computing research center in Tehran claims to have used Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s Opteron processor to build the Middle Eastern country's most powerful supercomputer.

The Iranian High Performance Computing Research Center (IHPCRC), which is located at Tehran's Amirkabir University of Technology, said in an undated announcement on its Web site that it has assembled a Linux-based system with 216 Opteron processing cores. That's a relatively small supercomputer, with a claimed peak performance level of 860 billion floating-point operations per second, or gigaflops. But the research center said that the system, which will be used for weather forecasting and meteorological research, is the fastest built in Iran to date.

This isn't the first time that the Iranians have used U.S.-developed processor technology to build high-performance systems, according to a history posted on the research center's Web site. For instance, the history says that in 2001, prior to the formation of the IHPCRC, researchers at Amirkabir University built a 32-node PC cluster based on Pentium III processors from Intel Corp. A year later, they used Pentium IV chips in another cluster, this one with eight nodes.

But how did the IHPCRC get Opteron processors for the new supercomputer if U.S. technology can't be sold in or shipped to Iran? The research center may have provided a clue, though perhaps inadvertently, in a photo gallery that also can be found on its Web site. (Editor's note: Since this story was posted, the photo gallery appears to have been removed from the IHPCRC's Web site. As a result, the link in this paragraph and in the photo caption that follows are no longer working. A follow-up story with more details has now been posted on Computerworld.com.)

The gallery includes a series of photos dated this year, showing workers assembling what the research center describes as the "cluster of IRIMO." That acronym refers to an Iranian meteorological organization, which would be a perfect fit for the planned uses of the Opteron-based supercomputer.

The first picture in that series of photos (see below) shows a staffer using a screwdriver on what appears to be the components of a server. Behind him, on a table, is a stack of similarly sized boxes, all of which appear to have the word "Thacker" and the initials "U.A.E." written in hand on their sides.

Thacker FZE is an authorized distributor of AMD products that is based in the United Arab Emirates, in the state of Dubai. The company is also listed under the name Sky Electronics on AMD's Web site. Sky Electronics, whose managing director is named Manoj Thacker, says on its Web site that it is a business partner of Intel, Microsoft Corp., Nvidia Corp. and several other technology vendors in addition to AMD.

Although the server components are exposed in the photograph on the IHPCRC's Web site, no lettering or brand names can be made out on what appear to be two processing units. The faces of the two devices are blank, even after the clarity of the photo was enhanced by Computerworld's design staff.

After a copy of the photo was e-mailed to Thacker/Sky Electronics, Anil Clifford, a Dubai-based spokesman for the firm, said Thursday that he didn't understand the image because the company doesn't have any customers in Iran. "It is an embargo [situation] for us," he said.

Clifford said that boxes the size of the ones in the photo could include a variety of components, including server casings and power supplies – all of which are made in Taiwan.

Products can be imported into Iran from any number of countries, and by many different means, Clifford added. "There are a lot of Iranians in Dubai," he said. "They might buy locally from here one or two pieces and take it to Iran."

In response to questions about the IHPCRC's claim that it is using Opteron processors in the supercomputer, AMD officials issued the following written statement: "AMD has never authorized any shipments of AMD products to Iran or any other embargoed country, either directly or indirectly. AMD fully complies with all United States export control laws, and all authorized distributors of AMD products have contractually committed to AMD that they will do the same with respect to their sales and shipments of AMD products."

The statement added that any shipments of products to Iran by distributors "would be a breach of the specific provisions of their contracts with AMD."

The chip maker has increasing ties to the UAE. AMD last month announced that it had received $622 million in funding from a unit of Mubadala Development Co., an investment firm that is based in the UAE's capital of Abu Dhabi and owned by the Abu Dhabi government. Abu Dhabi is the largest of the seven emirates that make up the UAE, and its ruler – Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan – is also the UAE's president.

Legal experts said U.S. law requires companies with distributors in other countries to ensure that they also adhere to the trade sanctions against Iran, which is categorized as a terrorist country by the U.S. government. Companies that re-export U.S products are also prohibited from shipping them to Iran.

Nonetheless, Iranian officials have long boasted that the U.S. trade sanctions have had little impact on their nation's ability to acquire products that it needs from other countries.

Michael Izady, an adjunct professor of Middle Eastern and Western history at Pace University in New York, said via e-mail that "much of what Iran gets in computer parts and advanced devices are brought in – licitly or illicitly – from the UAE."

Izady said that Iran is producing as many computers as it does automobiles – about 1.6 million per year – and that the computer and Internet industry is "ubiquitous" in that country. "Iran is advancing its computer and Internet knowledge and expertise much faster than its nuclear program," he wrote.

"The fact there is stuff going into Iran is certainly well known to U.S. regulators," said Christopher Wall, an international trade attorney in the Washington office of Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP. He added that the UAE has been a country of interest to a U.S. government program designed to stop shipments from foreign countries to Iran.

Although U.S. export law applies to foreign parties that are re-exporting U.S. products, a lot of that occurs without a license, according to Wall. In such cases, many of the foreign entities either don't follow the law or don't know its requirements, he said. Moreover, products may change hands many times before they get to their ultimate destinations.

"It's very difficult to enforce – extremely difficult to enforce," Wall said. That's why the sanctions against trade with Iran "are, in some cases, not very effective, because the rules are very easy to get around," he explained.

David Ivey, an attorney who specializes in international trade at Baker & Hostetler LLP in Houston, said that whatever the product is, exporters have to be sure it can legitimately be sold to other countries. AMD likely will have to do some due diligence to see if it can determine how its processors apparently ended up in Iran, Ivey said, "because the U.S. government may come and ask them that question."

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Ahmadinejad
12-12-2007, 08:05 AM
so iran is only 10 years behind america in technology now?

Iranian Guards
12-12-2007, 09:35 AM
so iran is only 10 years behind america in technology now?:roflmao3: we are independent bro

Sajjad
12-12-2007, 11:42 AM
such projects were announced as far as ten yers ago ...

look at

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=9368

Not by Iran. You are comparing the U.S to Iran? Iran has been under heavy sanctions and embargo for 30 years, isolated by the U.S, and struggled on it's own and it can do this. You compare them to U.S in technology?

This is amazing for Iran.

Saint.Hezbollah
12-12-2007, 12:08 PM
Very good for Iran.God Bless them.

Now that UAE has invested in AMD,hopefully this signals a change in the PC market of the Middle East.Intel based CPUs are what most Middle Easterners get and they don't know that Intel is pro-Zionist and has built plants on stolen land in the Zionist State.

The UAE can act as a middleman for technology and I don't think Iranians in UAE buying AMD products and taking them to Iran is illegal....so this will work out nice for all parties involved.

Ahmadinejad
12-12-2007, 06:37 PM
:roflmao3: we are independent bro

lol all im saying is you have all these anti iranian people saying things like "iran doesnt even have WWII technology" and "the nazis could beat modern iran in a matter of days" im just saying its pretty impressive that Iran went from pre WWII technology to 2000's era technology in literally 5 hours.

Shamshir of Light
12-12-2007, 10:26 PM
lol all im saying is you have all these anti iranian people saying things like "iran doesnt even have WWII technology" and "the nazis could beat modern iran in a matter of days" im just saying its pretty impressive that Iran went from pre WWII technology to 2000's era technology overnight.

Iran has very good technology
look up our nanotechnolgy
aerospace
transportation
etc
I think were getting advanced much like other developed nations in zhe world

Iranian Guards
12-13-2007, 08:40 AM
Iran has very good technology
look up our nanotechnolgy
aerospace
transportation
etc
I think were getting advanced much like other developed nations in zhe world and we are for 30 years under sanctions and we have fought 8 years against saddam+USA.

JEskandari
12-13-2007, 11:30 AM
no, I will try to explain. open source community is not U.S , it is open to anyone including IRANS universities. any code taken can be modified and upgarded as long as it maintains the openess of the code.

so basically all I said is that the code and knowledge of cluster based supercomputers was opened to anyone regardless if american europen or anyone else.

so I did not compare Iran to U.S. Basically you can folow instructions and build one if you have couple of old unused computers. Get install documentation from...

http://oscar.openclustergroup.org/

It's not that easy put the processor together is not that hard but made them work together is something else.

Supreme
12-13-2007, 11:51 AM
lol all im saying is you have all these anti iranian people saying things like "iran doesnt even have WWII technology" and "the nazis could beat modern iran in a matter of days" im just saying its pretty impressive that Iran went from pre WWII technology to 2000's era technology in literally 5 hours.

When did Iran have WWII technology? The shah wasnt wasnt dropping all that cash for WWII era crap

Supreme
12-13-2007, 11:57 AM
Very good for Iran.God Bless them.

Now that UAE has invested in AMD,hopefully this signals a change in the PC market of the Middle East.Intel based CPUs are what most Middle Easterners get and they don't know that Intel is pro-Zionist and has built plants on stolen land in the Zionist State.

I personally have a dual core intel CPU and always have used Intel processors
but will switch to AMD on my next upgrade and im also glad Iran went with AMD.

The UAE can act as a middleman for technology and I don't think Iranians in UAE buying AMD products and taking them to Iran is illegal....so this will work out nice for all parties involved.

I agree everyone is getting something. Iran getting the CPU's, UAE and US getting cash.

chaos
12-14-2007, 04:40 PM
I personally have a dual core intel CPU and always have used Intel processors
but will switch to AMD on my next upgrade and im also glad Iran went with AMD.


AMD is one lame company now, intel with its conroe architecture just owned AMD.

chaos
12-14-2007, 04:42 PM
Iran has very good technology
look up our nanotechnolgy



???????????

Behrooz Boonabi
12-14-2007, 04:51 PM
AMD is one lame company now, intel with its conroe architecture just owned AMD.

No, CPU's are designed for specific tasks in mind. Some are better than others for specific tasks.

Behrooz Boonabi
12-14-2007, 04:56 PM
I personally have a dual core intel CPU and always have used Intel processors
but will switch to AMD on my next upgrade and im also glad Iran went with AMD.



I agree everyone is getting something. Iran getting the CPU's, UAE and US getting cash.

If you like gaming and CPU intensive video rendering, AMD is the the best choice.

JEskandari
12-14-2007, 06:44 PM
AMD is one lame company now, intel with its conroe architecture just owned AMD.
come on you still live in core 2 duo era its the quad core that rule now.and intle quad has no advantage over Phenom
in fact intel still freezed in FSB 1333 but AMD use FSB 2000 and the new socket am2+ support up to 6000
the only thing intel is good at is increasing the frequency but amd increase the overall performance

JEskandari
12-15-2007, 05:55 AM
dear paratrooper i rather choose an am2+ board with the FBS of 5200, its different approach you don't want to use new things i embrace the changes.
by the way you must use the programs that transfer heavy data between cpu and the system to see the difference not tetris.

chaos
12-20-2007, 11:13 AM
come on you still live in core 2 duo era its the quad core that rule now.and intle quad has no advantage over Phenom
in fact intel still freezed in FSB 1333 but AMD use FSB 2000 and the new socket am2+ support up to 6000
the only thing intel is good at is increasing the frequency but amd increase the overall performance

rofl... AMD has so much problems with the phenom that they get back the athlons for production.

the quad is the same architecture. the Nehelmam and Peneryn are the new architectures. i think that the Nehelam is developed in israel.

If you like gaming and CPU intensive video rendering, AMD is the the best choice.

actually in rendering intel is the leader, even from the days of pentium 4.

AMD has nothing to do even against the simple E6300. value CPU with good prefomence.

Janbaz
12-20-2007, 11:54 AM
Guys, Super computers are becoming very easy to design and built. With Rapid advancement in CPU and clock speed of CPU and BUSS, you need less of hardware to maintain the same Super computers that were designed in early to mid 90s.
By Next Summer (2008) or by 2009, the efford to put together a super computer is half by 08 and half again by 09.

If you had to put together about 100 computers (Ordinary PCs) to get some what advance and moderately high calculations in early 2000, by early this year (07) you needed half of those PC to get same results (meaning 50). Right now you need only quarter of those PC to get same results (even with higher speed). By summer of 2008, you need half of those and 09 half again.

All these progress have to do with CPU core. Before 2005, you needed multiple CPU to divide the tasks and share the complex calculations. Now the Dule core and Quad core CPUs are widely available. By summer of 08 and 09 the Quad would be doubled meaning to eight, and 09 to 16 core.
I won't be supresized to see special law to be put in place and limit the selling of Multiple cores CPUs to special companies and countries.

JEskandari
12-20-2007, 12:56 PM
rofl... AMD has so much problems with the phenom that they get back the athlons for production.

the quad is the same architecture. the Nehelmam and Peneryn are the new architectures. i think that the Nehelam is developed in israel.



actually in rendering intel is the leader, even from the days of pentium 4.

AMD has nothing to do even against the simple E6300. value CPU with good prefomence.
if you don't know phenom is out.and i thought Intel research it's processor in USA ,i mean till now it was so if you have some new information please share it with us if it wont be treason toward your country.
look at the chart only XEon could stand with a quad core amd processor at high end processors
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
at mid range cpus the 4 top cpu are AMD
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/mid_range_cpus.html

chaos
12-20-2007, 04:34 PM
those benchmarks arent serious and dont include the core2due.

and i thought Intel research it's processor in USA

i know that there are big research&develop centers in israel, and i know that the core2due CPU is based on architecture that was developed in israel, and same i think about the centrino.

JEskandari
12-21-2007, 08:44 AM
those benchmarks arent serious and dont include the core2due.



i know that there are big research&develop centers in israel, and i know that the core2due CPU is based on architecture that was developed in israel, and same i think about the centrino.
i myself downloaded the program it seems serious to me
and unlike the other benchmark which are based on 1 or 2 PC if I'm not wrong they are based on several thousand working PC around the world..
and there is far more core 2 duo in it than amd athlon by the way it's me that i can say that they have no phenom 9500 and 9600 in it
about the core2 duo and centrino it's not important what you think please show us where Intel representative said they designed them in Israel.

i think you get it wrong intel design it's mobile series technology in israel not core 2 or quad technology