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MrWanted
08-13-2006, 01:19 PM
Cluster bombs add to terror

By CESAR CHELALA
Special to The Japan Times

NEW YORK -- As if the ruthless air attacks on Lebanese civilians weren't enough, Israel has been using illegal cluster munitions in populated areas of that country. Human Rights Watch researchers working on the ground in Lebanon have confirmed that an attack with cluster bombs was carried out on the village of Blida on July 19, killing one and wounding at least 12 civilians, including seven children.

This is not the first time that Israel has used these weapons in Lebanon. They were used in 1978 and in the 1980s, although the United States had placed restrictions and a moratorium on their use out of concern for civilian casualties.

According to Human Rights Watch, the use of these munitions in populated civilian areas may violate international humanitarian law.

What makes them particularly lethal is that they consist of a container that breaks open in midair and disperses smaller submunitions. These weapons are designed to explode on impact, just before impact and immediately after impact, saturating an area with flying shards of steel. They generally have a higher explosive charge than antipersonnel land mines.

The failure rate for cluster weapons is between 5 and 30 percent. Failure to explode on impact doesn't mean they are harmless. On the contrary, they may explode with the slightest touch by a child or other innocent passerby. What makes them even more dangerous is that they become more unstable with each passing year, according to bomb disposal experts working in Laos.

Currently, no treaty specifically regulates cluster munitions, although Additional Protocol I of 1977 to the Geneva Conventions includes some internationally accepted legal standards to assess the problems they cause. While the inevitability of some civilian deaths is recognized, the protocol says that states cannot legally target civilians or engage in indiscriminate attacks.

Cluster munitions have the potential to be indiscriminate because they cannot be precisely targeted. In that regard, Article 51(4)(b) specifically prohibits attacks that "employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective."

Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, states that "Cluster munitions are unacceptably inaccurate and unreliable weapons when used around civilians, and should never be used in populated areas."

Human Right Watch researchers were able to document cluster munitions among the arsenal of Israel Defense Forces stationed on the Israeli-Lebanese border. They include the M483A1 Dual-Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions, supplied by the U.S.

As artillery shells, they have a 14 percent failure rate. Unexploded ordnance endangers civilians later. Lebanese security forces have denounced Israel's use of cluster munitions in its attacks not only on Blida but also on other Lebanese border villages, including attacks earlier this year around the contested Shebaa Farms area.

Because of the high proportion of civilians that have been killed or injured by these weapons, many organizations such as the Red Cross, the Cluster Munition Coalition and the United Nations oppose their use. An international consensus is building against them.

Last February, Belgium became the first country to ban cluster munitions, and Norway announced a moratorium on the same in June.

At present, more states are calling for a new international instrument to deal with them, since it is felt that existing humanitarian law is not sufficient to respond to the issues associated with cluster munitions.

In a recent report entitled "Fatal Strikes: Israel's Indiscriminate Attacks Against Civilians in Lebanon," Human Rights Watch states: "By consistently failing to distinguish between combatants and civilians, Israel has violated one of the most fundamental tenets of the laws of war: the duty to carry out attacks only on military targets. The extent of the pattern and the seriousness of the consequences indicate the commission of war crimes."

The use of cluster munitions only adds a note of desperation in this conflict. Israel should accept widely recognized norms of civilized behavior, even in times of war, and renounce the use of these dangerous weapons.
Cesar Chelala, M.D., Ph.D., is an international public health consultant and a winner of an Overseas Press Club of America award for an article on human rights.
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TankHunter
08-13-2006, 04:30 PM
So ICM is illegal to use now? When did this happen? Makes about as much sense as making it so one cannot fire .50 at infantry because it may cause undue harm.

War is, at its best, barbarism as what Sherman said. It is an uncivilized act and if one is being attacked by a hostile people, rather than an army, then I see no reason to distinguish between the two. The only way for peace is to make the young, old, rich and poor to beg for peace and to show them that they are a defeated people. Why Israel does not do this, I dont know.

Darth_Vader
08-13-2006, 05:44 PM
And the rockets being fired directly at Civilian cities by Hezbollah containing 50,000 ball bearings are what, weapons of peace.

At lest Isreal has to decency to drop them where Hezbollah fighters are. To bad if its in civilian area's, if Hezbollah would fight like men and not hid behind women and children there would be little civlian casualites.

Like i said, Hezbollah fires rockets straight at huge cities, which are pretty easy not to aim for. There big targets, so HA clearly aimed to hit them and to kill as many civilians as possible. These was premedated as these rockets were prepared along time ago like this, to kill innocent people and as many as they could.

Hezbollah are just cold blooded terrorists, who kill civilians and then hide behind them to avoid being killed.So brave??????

MrWanted
08-13-2006, 05:47 PM
And the rockets being fired directly at Civilian cities by Hezbollah containing 50,000 ball bearings are what, weapons of peace.

At lest Isreal has to decency to drop them where Hezbollah fighters are. To bad if its in civilian area's, if Hezbollah would fight like men and not hid behind women and children there would be little civlian casualites.

Like i said, Hezbollah fires rockets straight at huge cities, which are pretty easy not to aim for. There big targets, so HA clearly aimed to hit them and to kill as many civilians as possible. These was premedated as these rockets were prepared along time ago like this, to kill innocent people and as many as they could.

Hezbollah are just cold blooded terrorists, who kill civilians and then hide behind them to avoid being killed.So brave??????

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=2343

Yoni45
08-13-2006, 06:18 PM
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=2343

Is what Jonathan Cook says really the only support you have? That's not exactly the most credible of positions...

Any actual pictures of Israeli artillery parked next to residential buildings? Doubtful, but feel free to post if you find em...

MrWanted
08-13-2006, 06:21 PM
Is what Jonathan Cook says really the only support you have? That's not exactly the most credible of positions...
use your common sense. Al-jazira has also said it lots of times but then again arabs are not reliable. But hey shouldn't you be in some shelter? I don't want to mis you after this war is over.

Yoni45
08-13-2006, 06:25 PM
use your common sense. Al-jazira has also said it lots of times but then again arabs are not reliable. But hey shouldn't you be in some shelter? I don't want to mis you after this war is over.

Even if I was in Israel, I lived in Ashdod, bit of a distance from the north ;)

But you're absolutely right, Al-Jazeera, in this case, is unreliable. Where do you think they get their info from? If anything, to give Al-Jazeera some credibility, since they're not all that bad, I'm fairly sure they include in their reports that what they say is "According to Hezbollah..."...

MrWanted
08-13-2006, 06:28 PM
Even if I was in Israel, I lived in Ashdod, bit of a distance from the north ;)

But you're absolutely right, Al-Jazeera, in this case, is unreliable. Where do you think they get their info from? If anything, to give Al-Jazeera some credibility, since they're not all that bad, I'm fairly sure they include in their reports that what they say is "According to Hezbollah..."...

When it's a claim by HA or IDF they note it every single time. This one was commentary by a reporter explaining why they are only allowed to show some part of haifa. Pointing to what they are not allowed to report.

Yoni45
08-13-2006, 06:37 PM
When it's a claim by HA or IDF they note it every single time. This one was commentary by a reporter explaining why they are only allowed to show some part of haifa. Pointing to what they are not allowed to report.

Ok, and...?

TankHunter
08-13-2006, 07:27 PM
Let me add this. ICM is arty, not a CBU dropped from a bomb. So if civis are killed by ICM, they will be anyway because the other option is an HE drop. But then again, an ICM bomblet doesnt have the same power as an HE shell...