View Full Version : Hezbollah leader a hero to many Arabs
Shahab-3
08-13-2006, 02:29 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060813/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_nasrallah_s_rise_1;_ylt=ArOVJSFArfiI2VXtOfI ks7YUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
Some have even taken to comparing the radical Shiite Muslim cleric to the late Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, who enjoyed wide popularity in the Middle East for standing up to the West and pushing for Arab unity.
"Hassan Nasrallah has won militarily and politically and has become a new leader like Nasser," Lebanese lawmaker Walid Jumblatt, a harsh critic of Hezbollah's alliance with Iran and Syria, said in a television interview.
Abbas
08-13-2006, 02:41 PM
See This thread Also.....
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=2541
Reality101
08-13-2006, 04:30 PM
I guess this is how pathetic Middle Eastern fighting is. ISRAEL HAS SET UP SHOP ON HEZBOLLAH HOME CAPITAL. If Mexico had their army in the streets of Washington D.C.
I find it hard for the U.S to claim victory.
I guess its like the loser kid who finally made his first score after playing a whole season. He sucks so bad that one little score will get him cheers from the crowd.
Thats the new strategy. Lets allow the enemy to destroy our capital but as long as we build these underground tunnels and survive we can claim victory.
And for Every two hundred rockets we shoot we will kill 1 or 2 civilians.
The word of the day PATHETIC.
If Hezbollah kept Israel out of their capital than I would give them the rightful credit.
I guess its nothing wrong with the broken glass being half full.
Hawk_nr1
08-13-2006, 04:33 PM
whats wrong with you???? Israel is only few kilometers inside Lebanon after 31days not near the capital
Reality101
08-13-2006, 04:38 PM
whats wrong with you???? Israel is only few kilometers inside Lebanon after 31days
Ok Im sorry I guess if the fighting ends tourist will start flowing back to beruit the next day since Israel hasn't damaged anything.
Israel hits whatever buildings they want to hit. I thought defending your homeland was preventing. The only thing Hezbollah is defending is itself but not its country or people.
Hawk_nr1
08-13-2006, 04:40 PM
Ok Im sorry I guess if the fighting ends tourist will start flowing back to beruit the next day since Israel hasn't damaged anything.
Israel hits whatever buildings they want to hit. I thought defending your homeland was preventing. The only thing Hezbollah is defending is itself but not its country.
Hezbollah is fighting with the israeli soldiers then they are defending their homeland and it's pretty pathetic for such an army as Israel has to only advance some kilometers after 31 days
NEWUSER
08-13-2006, 04:51 PM
Ok Im sorry I guess if the fighting ends tourist will start flowing back to beruit the next day since Israel hasn't damaged anything.
Israel hits whatever buildings they want to hit. I thought defending your homeland was preventing. The only thing Hezbollah is defending is itself but not its country or people.
I'm Lebanese and Leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah represents all of Lebanon; he liberated the south of Lebanon and will once-again kick the Israeli army scum out of Lebanon; he does not fear your Israel like the Arab puppets, he is a capable man and 2 million Israelis fears him and Millions worldwide Love and respects him; He is the only true Arab leader that put his money where his mouth is; he humiliated your Israel and made it appear as-it is, a country with military based on hype, it has be proven again and again that Israeli soldiers are cowards on the battle field.
Like majority of Lebanese and the many Arabs Muslims & Christians that have witnessed Hezb’Allah’s military achievement, we all support him now more-then-ever.
Hezb’Allah’s capabilities has won-over wide support, even from people that based their opinion on the twisted western Media; Hezb’Allah has gained far more then anyone yet' recognized.
Hezb’Allah is all that, and then some :)
Reality101
08-13-2006, 05:17 PM
So how is this UN resolution going to work in about 9 hours. Didn't your country agree to disarm Hezbollah?
Or are you going to tell me your country is just lying to the UN?
And if they are lying I don't want to hear nothing more about the evil west etc. If Lebanon govt is lying than they are just as crooked like the rest of the world.
MrWanted
08-13-2006, 05:23 PM
So how is this UN resolution going to work in about 9 hours. Didn't your country agree to disarm Hezbollah?
Or are you going to tell me your country is just lying to the UN?
And if they are lying I don't want to hear nothing more about the evil west etc. If Lebanon govt is lying than they are just as crooked like the rest of the world.
Don't even try to demand something when the zionists entity makes it clear time by time to have it's reservations. Well Lebanon has them to.
meanwhile Livni is feeling the heat, has already contacted the Lebanese government to send the army immidiatly. IDF is not waiting for Unifil, too bad, we could have seen some nice fightings with civvies excluded.
Again your kind is not in its place to hold speeches about morality.
burster
08-13-2006, 05:24 PM
Newuser,
Once again arab fantasy takes the place of reality. Forcing a country out of another using your own military force is one thing. But having a country remove its troops is another. I suppose you can claim "victory" in either case, but one is clearly distinct from the other.
As for Nasrallah, better take him to your bosom now. He'll be dead within a year. Israelis won't forget he started all this in an attempt to distract people from the Iranian nuclear issue.
I'm Lebanese and Leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah represents all of Lebanon; he liberated the south of Lebanon and will once-again kick the Israeli army scum out of Lebanon; he does not fear your Israel like the Arab puppets, he is a capable man and 2 million Israelis fears him and Millions worldwide Love and respects him; He is the only true Arab leader that put his money where his mouth is; he humiliated your Israel and made it appear as-it is, a country with military based on hype, it has be proven again and again that Israeli soldiers are cowards on the battle field.
Like majority of Lebanese and the many Arabs Muslims & Christians that have witnessed Hezb’Allah’s military achievement, we all support him now more-then-ever.
Hezb’Allah’s capabilities has won-over wide support, even from people that based their opinion on the twisted western Media; Hezb’Allah has gained far more then anyone yet' recognized.
Hezb’Allah is all that, and then some :)
MrWanted
08-13-2006, 05:30 PM
Newuser,
Once again arab fantasy takes the place of reality. Forcing a country out of another using your own military force is one thing. But having a country remove its troops is another. I suppose you can claim "victory" in either case, but one is clearly distinct from the other.
As for Nasrallah, better take him to your bosom now. He'll be dead within a year. Israelis won't forget he started all this in an attempt to distract people from the Iranian nuclear issue.
Well this time around the Bob's are coming from the western portals. Forcing out is semantically the same as making them leave. And it's Israel which has backed down from all its initial objectieves just to see another 1559 which never will be implemented because of it's interverence in a DEMOCRATIC, DO YOU HEAR, DEMOCRATIC, and sovereign nation. 1701 doesn't enforce anything, just asks to do. Well they can ask as much as they need, it doesn't concern them.
Reality101
08-13-2006, 05:35 PM
Don't even try to demand something when the zionists entity makes it clear time by time to have it's reservations. Well Lebanon has them to.
meanwhile Livni is feeling the heat, has already contacted the Lebanese government to send the army immidiatly. IDF is not waiting for Unifil, too bad, we could have seen some nice fightings with civvies excluded.
Again your kind is not in its place to hold speeches about morality.
Actually its the other way around. You talk like one of your middle eastern countries is a superpower or something lol. Don't we dare lol? NO, don't you dare mess with us.
When you get your thousand nukes and modern technology than maybe we will put Iran in charge of the UN............Or the Arab league of nations would actually have some power. Until than come back to reality............ realize who controls who when its all said and done.
MrWanted
08-13-2006, 05:46 PM
Actually its the other way around. You talk like one of your middle eastern countries is a superpower or something lol. Don't we dare lol? NO, don't you dare mess with us.
When you get your thousand nukes and modern technology than maybe we will put Iran in charge of the UN............Or the Arab league of nations would actually have some power. Until than come back to reality............ realize who controls who when its all said and done.
With all those nukes and veto power, you still doing a **** of a job. You can't even object all those power to a small guerilla force of less than a few thousands.
Dream on boy, you control a lot of puppets, but your nukes and missiles are of no use when you counter someone from the FREE WORLD.
Reality101
08-13-2006, 05:55 PM
With all those nukes and veto power, you still doing a **** of a job. You can't even object all those power to a small guerilla force of less than a few thousands.
Dream on boy, you control a lot of puppets, but your nukes and missiles are of no use when you counter someone from the FREE WORLD.
Yep I guess its my imagination of all these Lebanon, syria prime minister coming on American networks BEGGING for the U.S to do something. Wishful thinking on your part but reality is my great old country still has little players running to us with all our veto power lol. Must mean somthing to them.
You should be thanking God there are mothers of america and Israel. They could of just flatten lebanon and left.
NEWUSER
08-13-2006, 06:39 PM
As for Nasrallah, better take him to your bosom now. He'll be dead within a year.
Hit the road jack and dont come back no more..
burster
08-13-2006, 06:48 PM
Newuser,
isn't that a song? :-)
The refrain keeps playing in my ear, but I can't remember the rest of the words. Now I have to go look it up, darn you.
Hit the road jack and dont come back no more..
MrWanted
08-13-2006, 06:51 PM
Newuser,
isn't that a song? :-)
The refrain keeps playing in my ear, but I can't remember the rest of the words. Now I have to go look it up, darn you.
Same here man, damn it, I've to go to sleep now :err2:
NEWUSER
08-13-2006, 07:11 PM
Newuser,
isn't that a song? :-)
The refrain keeps playing in my ear, but I can't remember the rest of the words. Now I have to go look it up, darn you.
Yes it is a song by Ray Charles....
Israel failed in everyway possible, even at assassination, and further with their fake intelligence.
Leader Shiekah Hassan Nasrallah gave his son to Lebanon, and he will not hesitate to give his own life as well; sacrifice is something many fail to understand, its far more stronger then any weapon system the Zionist can earn from USA free-of-charge, and while Israel remains a failure in everything it does, harming Hezb’Allah’s head will not stop it from its mission - millions supports him.
The rules have changed jack, we are at a cross point in history, the end of the Arab puppets is near and subsequently the American dominance in the region -- loneliness can be a hazard to Israel’s health.
Hit the road jack... :)
burster
08-13-2006, 08:25 PM
Newuser,
Heh, you gotta watch those wild imaginings. They'll lead you into the error of thinking Israel can actually be defeated. The only way for the arabs to actually pose a threat to Israel is for Egypt and Jordan to have their governments overthrown by the Muslim brotherhood or for Iran to use nuclear weapons. I suppose that might happen in the future, but by then the military dynamic will have changed even more to the favor of the US and Israel, with directed energy weapons deployed to take down missiles. As for Lebanon, I think the stage is set for another civil war. The Maronites aren't going to go quietly into the night and allow the Shiites to dominate the political scene, and neither will the Druze.
Hezbollah's "victory" is essentially a media victory. This is important, of course, but Israel is waking up to the fact that after all is said and done, the Arabs in the region really do just want to kill them all. Not coexist, not be friendly neighbors. Kill them. Slaughter them. So Israelis are going to come to the realization that it truly is a matter of fight or die. And their fighting will be very good indeed. So be prepared for more despair in the future.
Yes it is a song by Ray Charles....
Israel failed in everyway possible, even at assassination, and further with their fake intelligence.
Leader Shiekah Hassan Nasrallah gave his son to Lebanon, and he will not hesitate to give his own life as well; sacrifice is something many fail to understand, its far more stronger then any weapon system the Zionist can earn from USA free-of-charge, and while Israel remains a failure in everything it does, harming Hezb’Allah’s head will not stop it from its mission - millions supports him.
The rules have changed jack, we are at a cross point in history, the end of the Arab puppets is near and subsequently the American dominance in the region -- loneliness can be a hazard to Israel’s health.
Hit the road jack... :)
NEWUSER
08-13-2006, 08:52 PM
Newuser,
Heh, you gotta watch those wild imaginings. They'll lead you into the error of thinking Israel can actually be defeated. The only way for the arabs to actually pose a threat to Israel is for Egypt and Jordan to have their governments overthrown by the Muslim brotherhood or for Iran to use nuclear weapons. I suppose that might happen in the future, but by then the military dynamic will have changed even more to the favor of the US and Israel, with directed energy weapons deployed to take down missiles. As for Lebanon, I think the stage is set for another civil war. The Maronites aren't going to go quietly into the night and allow the Shiites to dominate the political scene, and neither will the Druze.
Imagination is more important then knowledge – Israel is not what it appears to be, and media is its heart line.
Civil war will NOT happen in Lebanon, to your dislike, the Lebanese are united firmly behind Hezb’Allah because this is not a Hezb’Allah war, this is a Lebanese War vs. Israeli army scum.
Hezb’Allah always had and will continue to have good relations with the Maronites and every religious group in Lebanon – the Christians suburbs that was bombed by Israel during this conflict, it’s resident now fully-understand that Israel is bombing as-it please against all of Lebanon and not Hezb’Allah as they claim – there are no Hezb’Allah rocket launchers or supporters in Christian dominated areas, but due to Israeli attacks on their areas, the Lebanese Christians are realizing Israel is not who they should support – not that majority of Lebanese Christians actually do, you’d be mistaken if you thought so.
Hezbollah's "victory" is essentially a media victory. This is important, of course, but Israel is waking up to the fact that after all is said and done, the Arabs in the region really do just want to kill them all. Not coexist, not be friendly neighbors. Kill them. Slaughter them. So Israelis are going to come to the realization that it truly is a matter of fight or die. And their fighting will be very good indeed. So be prepared for more despair in the future.
Israel is waking up to nothing but the fact the Arab puppets are no longer someone they can depend on by using the American hands that so-far up the Arab puppets arse, they are actually digesting their food for them.
History has showed Jews never suffered under Muslim rule the magnitude of pain when under Christian rule, and that’s enough of a reply to your claim of Arabs wanting to kill the Jews. The Arab Jewish population of Israel would laff at your claim and would more likely tell you to get a clue -- even the Arab Jews living in Arab countries.
If anyone needs to be prepared, that would be -- the Israeli’s.
Reality101
08-13-2006, 09:42 PM
lol, How can this be a Lebanon War when Lebanon army is guarding the US Embassy instead of its people?
Is Hezbollah the new army? Let see tactic wise.
Hey march into my captial and i will be hiding underground. Bomb my capital and kill my people, oh well I will keep hiding in my bunkers?
That victory? Righhhhht
I will say it again PATHETIC.....This how pathetic you guys soldier are.
The only thing hezbollah is protecting is itself. Not Lebanon nor its people.
Try to march into Israel you would see real soldiers protecting
NEWUSER
08-13-2006, 10:33 PM
The only thing hezbollah is protecting is itself. Not Lebanon nor its people.
why is it so hard for you and your friends to understand that Hezb’Allah’s members are LEBANESE PEOPLE, who else would Lebanese people be protecting inside Lebanon other then LEBANESE PEOPLE?
Enough with these “pathetic” attempts to show Hezb’Allah as a foreign force, it’s an integral part of Lebanon with government representation. Lebanese people are what make up Hezb’Allah, get it already will ya!
NEWUSER
08-13-2006, 10:37 PM
Is Hezbollah the new army? Let see tactic wise......... Try to march into Israel you would see real soldiers protecting
Is Israel paying more Jews from around the world to move to Israel so it can beef up its army? Israeli soldiers are cowards on battle field; this is a well known fact, therefore the Israeli government need to ask USA to send it a unit of its army to protect you.
Reality101
08-14-2006, 09:22 AM
If Hezbollah had a successful war it was successful by protecting itself. Hezbollah has never protected not one Lebanon citizen
PROVE TO ME WHERE HEZBOLLAH CAME OUT BRAVELY ON ISRAEL ADVANCES THROUGH LEBANON TO PROTECT ITS CITIZEN ON EVERY FRONT. NEWFLASH!!! They didn't!
Israel could of started murdering civilian at will and you would not have found Hezbollah no where. They would of continue to shoot their endless rockets and only fight against Israel as they advance only against them.
Hezbollah Is know to stage there Weapons in Civilian area. TELL ME THATS NOT TRUE.
Its a no brainier if you stage weapons near civilian that YOU KNOW that those innocent lives will now be in danger. Hezbollah fed and won the propaganda war by letting Israel kill civilian and using that to spread Israel hate.
I don't care if Israel fought with robots. Hezbollah if they was truly defending they would of died bravely slowing down Israel advancement to any part of their country.
Look at Poland in world war 2. Those where BRAVE SOLDIER. They fought with valor against Germany tanks on every front. KEYWORD ON EVERY FRONT. NOT HIDING IN THE MOUNTAINS SHOOTING ROCKETS, ARTILLERY AND SNIPING AT GERMANY SOLDIERS.
I guess the new motto is kill all our civilians but you cant get to us.
POLAND lost but they truly defended their country.
Hezbollah has proved to me they are true coward when it comes to really defending the Lebanon people. But I have to say they are Heros when they have to defend themselves.
Xorraas-L-Çarz
08-14-2006, 10:05 AM
I'm Lebanese and Leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah represents all of Lebanon; he liberated the south of Lebanon and will once-again kick the Israeli army scum out of Lebanon; he does not fear your Israel like the Arab puppets, he is a capable man and 2 million Israelis fears him and Millions worldwide Love and respects him; He is the only true Arab leader that put his money where his mouth is; he humiliated your Israel and made it appear as-it is, a country with military based on hype, it has be proven again and again that Israeli soldiers are cowards on the battle field.
Like majority of Lebanese and the many Arabs Muslims & Christians that have witnessed Hezb’Allah’s military achievement, we all support him now more-then-ever.
Hezb’Allah’s capabilities has won-over wide support, even from people that based their opinion on the twisted western Media; Hezb’Allah has ained far more then anyone yet' recognized.
Hezb’Allah is all that, and then some :)
speak for yourself!!!!!!
i respect the guy i will give u that but if u think u won your so blind .... 1056 deaths,3600 injured,971361 displaced Billions dollar damages
You have the audacity to even utter the word "victory"? Victory what, man? What drug are you on and what kind of g l a s s e s are you wearing? Are you people blind or what? and take a hike in the Beirut suburbs and the South and then tell me if you still believe you're "victorious". Yeah, great, we prevented them from going in on the ground. WOW. BIG DEAL. Did you take a look at the rest of the country?
Yes I can poke the biggest heavy weight wrestler in the world in his eye and make him suffer. BUT, he will crush the hell out of me afterwards. I can still lift my bloody bruised head and my broken bones as I lie on the ground, and wiggle the victory sign, and loonily say with my dying voice "I WON, I WON". The fact of the matteris, Lebanon is CRUSHED, and all you can do is claim victory. Fine, go ahead. Let's see where your victorious people are gonna go over the next few months. Israel is not even SCRATCHED my friend. They may have been tickled, but that's about it. They're back to normal tomorrow, while it's gonna take you years and years to rise, if ever again. But who cares, you "WON" right?
Xorraas-L-Çarz
08-14-2006, 10:16 AM
Victory? Whose victory is that???
Posted by othello
“Victory is ours” I heard Hassan Nasrallah say on TV…and seriously I couldn’t help but smile…what victory was this man speaking of???
How does a party like Hezbollah measure victory and in what terms?
If he means victory of the Lebanese people, then, let us look carefully at the impact the last 33 days of war has had on Lebanon:
1- More than 1000 persons have lost their lives
2- Five thousand wounded
3- A million and a half homeless and displaced
4- Cost of losses due to destruction close to 5 billion dollars
5- Major foreign investors are reconsidering their investments in the country
6- Many of the educated young people are leaving the country to go out to safer places
7- Fuel for electrical plants is estimated to last another two days before it runs out…which means no electricity
8- Petrol for cars is already running short and some people are queuing for hours to be able to obtain a miserable 10 liters of the fuel.
So how can this be considered as a victory?
Unless we are talking another type of victory…the victory of the Islamic Revolution in Lebanon…then by all means it is…today, Lebanon is laid open…people are screaming from hunger…diseases are spreading like wild fire amongst the displaced and the homeless…so we have the perfect setup for a country like Iran to come in and take control…distribute some foodstuff, assist here and there in some reconstruction projects…and you have the support of the population…then launch the revolution…On the other hand, Iran wins a major playing card in the region and that is a loaded weapon aimed at the head of Israel…this would give it more leverage in the talks about its nuclear project. So it is indeed some victory…
And the best thing? It is that there are Christians who are supporting this maneuver and are part of this masquerade…I’m not being a religious bigot or anything but I mean what Christian in his right mind would support a party whose motto is “Islamic Revolution in Lebanon”??? Is a presidential post worth this? Is a couple of parliamentary seats worth this change in the face of Lebanon??? Has human nature gone so low???
Today more than ever, Lebanon is calling for all the true Lebanese for help.
Today more than ever, we need a second March 14th demo…
We need to show the whole wide world what the Lebanese think about all this…
We need to show the whole wide world that we want peace…that we refuse to live as hostages in our own country, hostages to a bunch of Islamic fanatics…
We kept silent so far not because we agreed with them, but because we wanted to avoid internal friction…we wanted to avoid the destruction of the country… well it is destroyed now… and by the look of things, there will be more destruction to come if we do not take a stand…
We have had enough of people talking for us…when we marched to kick Syria out, it was not to replace it with Iran… nor with anyone else for that matter…
I hate to sound ominous but if we do not take the future into our own hands, Lebanon will become a thing of the past…
Fellow Lebanese, your country needs you…stand up and speak out…or go back into oblivion and this time, maybe for ever.
NEWUSER
08-14-2006, 10:24 AM
speak for yourself!!!!!!
i respect the guy i will give u that but if u think u won your so blind .... 1056 deaths,3600 injured,971361 displaced Billions dollar damages
You have the audacity to even utter the word "victory"? Victory what, man? What drug are you on and what kind of g l a s s e s are you wearing? Are you people blind or what? and take a hike in the Beirut suburbs and the South and then tell me if you still believe you're "victorious". Yeah, great, we prevented them from going in on the ground. WOW. BIG DEAL. Did you take a look at the rest of the country?
Yes I can poke the biggest heavy weight wrestler in the world in his eye and make him suffer. BUT, he will crush the hell out of me afterwards. I can still lift my bloody bruised head and my broken bones as I lie on the ground, and wiggle the victory sign, and loonily say with my dying voice "I WON, I WON". The fact of the matteris, Lebanon is CRUSHED, and all you can do is claim victory. Fine, go ahead. Let's see where your victorious people are gonna go over the next few months. Israel is not even SCRATCHED my friend. They may have been tickled, but that's about it. They're back to normal tomorrow, while it's gonna take you years and years to rise, if ever again. But who cares, you "WON" right?
Please do not whine like an old lady, ok? Because I was worried you were gong to start crying, next!
While you were busy turning your other cheek, real Lebanese were cleaning the Israeli scum from Lebanon - something that should not be far from your memory given how you and your people did not contribute to the liberation of an inch from Lebanon
I think pointing fingers at “your people” should be avoided by you especially that your community delivered us the like of Israeli-scum “Samir Gaga and Walid Jumblat” and Michael Aoun who carried arms against Syria and ruined Lebanon and now has his lips surgically attached to the Syrian arse.
Christian areas in Lebanon were bombed by the Israeli’s -- Hezb’Allah never launched rocket from such areas, so what do you say to that?
It’s important for you to remember that Lebanese Muslims population is approx. 60% and majority of them are Hezb’Allah supporters.
Reality101
08-14-2006, 10:34 AM
Thank you people with commonsense. Like I said earlier Hezbollah did a awesome job in protecting itself. Awesome job.
But to say they protected Lebanon or even made a attempt to protect Lebanon people is futile.
I guess if the commander orders me to protect building 1 .
He comes back and the building is completely destroyed, how can I claim victory,Maybe for myself.
Lebanon got totally destroyed by Israel and hezbollah did nothing but protected itself.
How HEROIC
Reality101
08-14-2006, 10:40 AM
Please do not whine like an old lady, ok? Because I was worried you were gong to start crying, next!
While you were busy turning your other cheek, real Lebanese were cleaning the Israeli scum from Lebanon - something that should not be far from your memory given how you and your people did not contribute to the liberation of an inch from Lebanon
I think pointing fingers at “your people” should be avoided by you especially that your community delivered us the like of Israeli-scum “Samir Gaga and Walid Jumblat” and Michael Aoun who carried arms against Syria and ruined Lebanon and now has his lips surgically attached to the Syrian arse.
Christian areas in Lebanon were bombed by the Israeli’s -- Hezb’Allah never launched rocket from such areas, so what do you say to that?
It’s important for you to remember that Lebanese Muslims population is approx. 60% and majority of them are Hezb’Allah supporters.
Just give it up. You have been presented with nothing but facts. We know you hate Israel but reality is Lebanon is now a mess.
Don't be so brainwashed to think just because hezbollah came out clean its a Lebanon victory. BS.....Lebanon is in ruin thanks to the heroic non fighting of hezbollah.
HEZBOLLAH ONLY PROTECTED ITSELF NOT LEBANON.
Xorraas-L-Çarz
08-14-2006, 11:00 AM
Please do not whine like an old lady, ok? Because I was worried you were gong to start crying, next!
While you were busy turning your other cheek, real Lebanese were cleaning the Israeli scum from Lebanon - something that should not be far from your memory given how you and your people did not contribute to the liberation of an inch from Lebanon
I think pointing fingers at “your people” should be avoided by you especially that your community delivered us the like of Israeli-scum “Samir Gaga and Walid Jumblat” and Michael Aoun who carried arms against Syria and ruined Lebanon and now has his lips surgically attached to the Syrian arse.
Christian areas in Lebanon were bombed by the Israeli’s -- Hezb’Allah never launched rocket from such areas, so what do you say to that?
It’s important for you to remember that Lebanese Muslims population is approx. 60% and majority of them are Hezb’Allah supporters.
Your useless for the last time u …. 60% of Lebanon are muslims 35% are sunna who hate Hezbollah and are FM supporters who won 90% of the votes in the election and u can check it and now your attacking aoun maybe u should check who Hezbollah are allied 2 u argent fool syira killed more if not the same amount of Lebanese as Israel and your pissed of at him cause he attacked syira!!! And I thought your Lebanese and again u "librated" the south cause syira killed all the communists and the leftists who where fighting Israel and u can check the archives of any paper … I give u facts and u give me more ******** U "WON" and Lebanon lost the cost of rebuilding Lebanon will be almost 10billion and u won the south is on the ground and u won won u have a million displaced and u won .Hezbollah use to refuse the deployment of the army in the south and now they are beging them to go and u won our fragile economy needs at least 5 years to recover from this war and u won … I really pity u arabs your so used to losing that anything will be a victory for u …pity the nation where people like u are citizens
NEWUSER
08-14-2006, 11:21 AM
Your useless for the last time u …. 60% of Lebanon are muslims 35% are sunna who hate Hezbollah and are FM supporters who won 90% of the votes in the election and u can check it and now your attacking aoun maybe u should check who Hezbollah are allied 2 u argent fool syira killed more if not the same amount of Lebanese as Israel and your pissed of at him cause he attacked syira!!! And I thought your Lebanese and again u "librated" the south cause syira killed all the communists and the leftists who where fighting Israel and u can check the archives of any paper … I give u facts and u give me more ******** U "WON" and Lebanon lost the cost of rebuilding Lebanon will be almost 10billion and u won the south is on the ground and u won won u have a million displaced and u won .Hezbollah use to refuse the deployment of the army in the south and now they are beging them to go and u won our fragile economy needs at least 5 years to recover from this war and u won … I really pity u arabs your so used to losing that anything will be a victory for u …pity the nation where people like u are citizens
:roflmao3:
I don’t know what to comment on, so much B.S..
Let's start with the funny comment about "us Arabs" where by you as a Lebanese who speaks Arabic is not an Arab rite? Classic comment.
You should be more concerned with Lebanon external debt mounting at $15 billion US + which has been the case for several years.
Hezb’Allah did not want to see the Lebanese useless army crushed in 5 minutes, don’t even compare Lebanese army to Hezb’Allah, all Lebanese army officers have made it crystal clear that Lebanese army is incapable of shooting down a paper plane so don’t B.S me with this western demand that wants a weak force in the south.
And pretty please don’t talk to me about Michael Aoun, that dik was not representing me, he represented your community and I only referenced him to show the yoyo-royalty your community posses – jumping tides to secure personal safety.
I’m not pissed at anyone that attacked Syria, I’m pisst at every Israeli-scum-Lebanese the like of Samir Gaga and Walid Jumblatt that wants to kiss the Israeli *** out of weakness, and the likes of you that never miss a chance to belittle Hezb’Allah’s resistance in favor of Israel – therefore, do not question my loyalty to my country.
NEWUSER
08-14-2006, 11:23 AM
Just give it up. You have been presented with nothing but facts. We know you hate Israel but reality is Lebanon is now a mess.
Don't be so brainwashed to think just because hezbollah came out clean its a Lebanon victory. BS.....Lebanon is in ruin thanks to the heroic non fighting of hezbollah.
HEZBOLLAH ONLY PROTECTED ITSELF NOT LEBANON.
Correction: Parts of Lebanon is in ruin due to Israeli war crimes - get some education.
mauro
08-14-2006, 11:36 AM
xorras and newuser :
israelis are laughing at you right now.
good job.
Xorraas-L-Çarz
08-14-2006, 11:52 AM
:roflmao3:
I don’t know what to comment on, so much B.S..
Let's start with the funny comment about "us Arabs" where by you as a Lebanese who speaks Arabic is not an Arab rite? Classic comment.
You should be more concerned with Lebanon external debt mounting at $15 billion US + which has been the case for several years.
Hezb’Allah did not want to see the Lebanese useless army crushed in 5 minutes, don’t even compare Lebanese army to Hezb’Allah, all Lebanese army officers have made it crystal clear that Lebanese army is incapable of shooting down a paper plane so don’t B.S me with this western demand that wants a weak force in the south.
And pretty please don’t talk to me about Michael Aoun, that dik was not representing me, he represented your community and I only referenced him to show the yoyo-royalty your community posses – jumping tides to secure personal safety.
I’m not pissed at anyone that attacked Syria, I’m pisst at every Israeli-scum-Lebanese the like of Samir Gaga and Walid Jumblatt that wants to kiss the Israeli *** out of weakness, and the likes of you that never miss a chance to belittle Hezb’Allah’s resistance in favor of Israel – therefore, do not question my loyalty to my country.
Why do u answer questions with questions
what about the muslim majorty thing?
First of all I don’t speak Arabic and speaking Arabic does not make u an arab … lets not go into Lebanese politics but tell me in what way did u win over the Israelis I respect any person that dies fro his country u might have won the battle but Lebanon lost the war did u read the 1701 does it mention the shebaa farms or the Lebanese prisoners look at the damages that Lebanon and isrile suffered and tell me who won
mauro
08-14-2006, 11:58 AM
Why do u answer questions with questions
what about the muslim majorty thing?
First of all I don’t speak Arabic and speaking Arabic does not make u an arab … lets not go into Lebanese politics but tell me in what way did u win over the Israelis I respect any person that dies fro his country u might have won the battle but Lebanon lost the war did u read the 1701 does it mention the shebaa farms or the Lebanese prisoners look at the damages that Lebanon and isrile suffered and tell me who won
xorras, while some of your arguments are correct, the attitude of newuser IMHO is the good attitude. instead of attacking each other, you should try to optimize what the LEBANESE did. yes, lebanon have not won. israel neither. israel is a mediatic power above all, and righ now, israeli are trying to repair or recover MEDIATICALLY. they best gift they could have is this kind of mutual accusations. yes, differences exists and yes there are deep problems. but try at least to see the positive side and use it for lebanon.
israel was not looking for its soldiers, and this invasion was long AWAITED, not only prepared. syria and iran are next. and this will cause YOU other problems. so better fix some of them NOW.
MrWanted
08-14-2006, 12:49 PM
Please do not whine like an old lady, ok? Because I was worried you were gong to start crying, next!
While you were busy turning your other cheek, real Lebanese were cleaning the Israeli scum from Lebanon - something that should not be far from your memory given how you and your people did not contribute to the liberation of an inch from Lebanon
I think pointing fingers at “your people” should be avoided by you especially that your community delivered us the like of Israeli-scum “Samir Gaga and Walid Jumblat” and Michael Aoun who carried arms against Syria and ruined Lebanon and now has his lips surgically attached to the Syrian arse.
Christian areas in Lebanon were bombed by the Israeli’s -- Hezb’Allah never launched rocket from such areas, so what do you say to that?
It’s important for you to remember that Lebanese Muslims population is approx. 60% and majority of them are Hezb’Allah supporters.
NewUsr, who are you arguing with? A zionists and it's SLA protector?:laugh4:
NEWUSER
08-14-2006, 01:09 PM
Why do u answer questions with questions
what about the muslim majorty thing?
First of all I don’t speak Arabic and speaking Arabic does not make u an arab … lets not go into Lebanese politics but tell me in what way did u win over the Israelis I respect any person that dies fro his country u might have won the battle but Lebanon lost the war did u read the 1701 does it mention the shebaa farms or the Lebanese prisoners look at the damages that Lebanon and isrile suffered and tell me who won
You know, although you have unhealthy Lebanese views of the conflict, my memory does not fail me of the many friends I have from all sects in Lebanon, literally speaking.
I got absolutely nothing against any Lebanese and his/her own point of view, this as a matter of a fact is how Lebanon over-came civil war and learned to accept all views and not necessary respect them or follow them.
Muslim Majority.. Not too long ago before the forum went offline, I posted an article about all the Muslim Sunni organization in Lebanon from Al-Tawheed to Jam’a Islamiyah that made the claims of fighting Israel along side Hezb’Allah only because they felt useless against such attack and they only spoke after they saw Hezb’Allah’s capabilities in fighting Israel - before that they acted as the cowards the Saudi's that said we do not support Hezb'Allah.
- Do all Muslim Sunni’s support Hezb’Allah as a Shia group? No.
- Do some of the Sunni’s support Hezb’Allah as an Arab resistance? Yes
- Do all of them support Hezb’Allah since they share same enemy (Israel)? You can bet your life on it.
Hezb’Allah and Hamas are a fine example of collaboration even thought they are from two different religious school of thoughts.
I’m also well aware that just because you “might” speak Arabic it does not make you one, just as I’m well aware of some Lebanese Christians that prefer to be associated with Phoenicians rather then Arabs -- historically speaking, it’s a legit claim and you have every right to it.
Do I want to see Lebanon a Muslim country? Absolutely not, for the simply reason Muslims are divided and Lebanon as-is has a nasty sectarian divide where every piece of chit in the government works to benefit his sect only and none of them works for the benefit of Lebanon.
Do I want to see Lebanon remain a Christian country? Hell yah and recent civil-war history has shown that if it was not for the Syrian coming into Lebanon, the PLO would have finished or attempted to finish the Lebanese Christian community. A big fact behind this is Syrian army never deployed into Christian areas and only did in Muslim ones.
Syrian army when they first entered Lebanon made one-single announcement and it was “Any person found with a beard will be detained and jailed” Do you know who they were talking too? If you followed the news back then, you will know Syria came and fought the Al-Tawheed movement in Lebanon and especially in its dominated areas in north Lebanon and crushed them - people where shaving their beards like therer was no tomorrow - for some that was a reality.
As a Lebanese you can not belittle Hezb’Allah after all they did to fight for Lebanon from 1982 to date, nor can you show me on Arab entity that gave a chit about Lebanon as much as Hezb’Allah did and does.. Leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah gave his son to Lebanon, for its protection, this is not the work of an agent that’s against Lebanon, this is the work of someone that’s All for Lebanon.
NEWUSER
08-14-2006, 01:19 PM
NewUsr, who are you arguing with? A zionists and it's SLA protector?:laugh4:
I do not really think of Xorraas-L-Çarz as a Zionist; some of my Christian friends in Lebanon used to share his views, but a lot of this changed during this conflict, they saw USA’s promise to protect Lebanon independence and they saw the lies of Israelis targeting Hezb’Allah only, when such attacks by Israel took place on Christian areas where no Hezb’Allah soldiers exists, not once, twice, or just three times.
mauro
08-14-2006, 01:47 PM
one of the biggest dreams of the zionwest is to see lebanese again killing each others, and then send some U.N cowboys to "renew" the middle east.
please, in the name of the brave lebanese (whoever the yare) who fought like REAL MEN and the innocent victims, don't give them this gift. let them hallucinate and rewrite their scenario...
the ziowest care as much for lebanon (or any other country outside israel, even american youth are sent to hell for zionists) as for afganistan or iraq. everyone should wake up...
ah, and the "ennemy of my ennemy" does not work with the zionists. if I remmeber well, the experience of SLA was clear...
thanks.
Reality101
08-14-2006, 02:14 PM
one of the biggest dreams of the zionwest is to see lebanese again killing each others, and then send some U.N cowboys to "renew" the middle east.
please, in the name of the brave lebanese (whoever the yare) who fought like REAL MEN and the innocent victims, don't give them this gift. let them hallucinate and rewrite their scenario...
the ziowest care as much for lebanon (or any other country outside israel, even american youth are sent to hell for zionists) as for afganistan or iraq. everyone should wake up...
ah, and the "ennemy of my ennemy" does not work with the zionists. if I remmeber well, the experience of SLA was clear...
thanks.
Actually this is false , most american could care less about iran, iraq, Lebanon etc. Of course those with families in these areas are the only few who actually care. American people are not sitting back thinking about Lebanon.lol
Maybe our 100 or so politicians do but thats about it.
Didnt that brave Lebanon army stand down when Israel went inside Lebanon because of Hezbollah.
NEWUSER
08-14-2006, 02:15 PM
Actually this is false , most american could care less about iran, iraq, Lebanon etc. Of course those with families in these areas are the only few who actually care. American people are not sitting back thinking about Lebanon.lol
Maybe our 100 or so politicians do but thats about it.
Didnt that brave Lebanon army stand down when Israel went inside Lebanon because of Hezbollah.
I have plenty of American friends inside and outside of USA that care about Lebanon.
Reality101
08-14-2006, 02:23 PM
I have plenty of American friends inside and outside of USA that care about Lebanon.
KEYWORD MOST.
When i speak of caring Im talking about actions. Anybody can say " oh thats sad whats happening in Lebanon".
but MOST are not losing sleep. KEYWORD MOST
mauro
08-14-2006, 02:30 PM
Actually this is false , most american could care less about iran, iraq, Lebanon etc. Of course those with families in these areas are the only few who actually care. American people are not sitting back thinking about Lebanon.lol
Maybe our 100 or so politicians do but thats about it.
Didnt that brave Lebanon army stand down when Israel went inside Lebanon because of Hezbollah.
nobody gives a damn about the mass, who are free to vote, but DO NOT DECIDE.
nobody cares about the quantity of powerless citizens, err...consumers.
the usa = those who decides for you.
i also said the zionwest and not the usa, because the zionwest excludes naturally powerless stupid and ignorant citizens, who are so arrogant that they are just good to send to foreigh strange wars, die for their "leaders", "thinkers", "think tankers", lobbiyists etc...
there is only one single democracy o nearth: switzerland. direct democracy IS democracy. every other system, including representative democracy, is only a joke. free to choose the politicians ? but teh politicians are also free to choose their policies, and impose them wheter the citizens, err..consumers like them or not.
that americains could care less about anything is just the best thing they could do.
SOMALI_SOULJA
08-14-2006, 05:21 PM
Thank you people with commonsense. Like I said earlier Hezbollah did a awesome job in protecting itself. Awesome job.
But to say they protected Lebanon or even made a attempt to protect Lebanon people is futile.
I guess if the commander orders me to protect building 1 .
He comes back and the building is completely destroyed, how can I claim victory,Maybe for myself.
Lebanon got totally destroyed by Israel and hezbollah did nothing but protected itself.
How HEROIC
reality, ur acting like hezbollah is an army, remember that hezbollah is just a rebelgroup, now tell me why did those zionists killed and target only civialans, and not hizbollah, this will only prove that israel is the real terrorist state, its true when they call the idf babbykillers,what do they thought by als killing christians that they will fight hezbollah ore that their will come on cival war, how stupid can ur goverment be,israel is not realising that they are also not fighting hezbollah, but the whole of libanon state, dont you get it you had united them, those who ur now fighting with are those you had killed before, with other words you had killed their love ones, and now ques who will join hizbollah now ony shias but also christians, druzes, sunnies, etc all of those you had killed will their childerns take avenge, like they are doing now
why they are claiming victory is only 1000ste of those brave mudjahadiins had stopped the socalled superpower with the best tanks airplanes ofcourse with the help of america, you couldnt stop only brave 1000ste mudjahadiins,now what will those other arabs think, this will only gives mo self convidence to syria, egypt, saudi arabie, etc they will think hey israel arent the super powers afterall, evrybody saw now including those who didnt know any **** about the mideast how israel are the real terrorists,evrybody will see now how weak ur army is, if you think that hizbollah will disarm than you are out of ur mind, they are waiting for the second battle, and imagine now six years later, how powerfull they could be , they could also get anti air missles, and who knows nuclair weapons, you dont get it that hezbollah are fighting for the whole of the islamic nation, they want to tell us something, they has proven that we can beat israel, and free oure ppl, only if we got a strong believe, not only that, the oil is rising for iran, and ten second like new user said arabpuppets will lose power, for example in egypt we got the muslims brotherhood, israel made a big mistake by falling in nasrallahs tricks, yes maybe you could had killed innocent civalians,maybe you could had destroyed the whole nation, but with what else did you archieved, you did nothing else than uniting muslims, and even showing the whole world how stupid zionists are, Israel will come out a bigger loser in the long run because Hezbollah survived in a way no Arab army has ever done. And Hezbollah will be the kingmaker in Lebanese politics. In fact, I suspect the Lebanese National Army will be infiltrated with Hezbollah. Remember, the Lebanese Army is a joke. If Nasrallah agreed to it stationing in South Lebanon, he must know he can control it to some extent. That doesn't mean he's going to start launching rockets into Israel again right away. But it does mean he is still the most powerful player in South
its time to know who ur fighting with, ur fighting with a strong ppl who love their country and religion, UR FIGHTING WITH THE SONS OF ALI,HUSSEIN HASSAN
Shahab-3
08-14-2006, 10:48 PM
nobody gives a damn about the mass, who are free to vote, but DO NOT DECIDE.
nobody cares about the quantity of powerless citizens, err...consumers.
the usa = those who decides for you.
i also said the zionwest and not the usa, because the zionwest excludes naturally powerless stupid and ignorant citizens, who are so arrogant that they are just good to send to foreigh strange wars, die for their "leaders", "thinkers", "think tankers", lobbiyists etc...
there is only one single democracy o nearth: switzerland. direct democracy IS democracy. every other system, including representative democracy, is only a joke. free to choose the politicians ? but teh politicians are also free to choose their policies, and impose them wheter the citizens, err..consumers like them or not.
that americains could care less about anything is just the best thing they could do.
Hi Mauro -
Long time! Good to have you back bro!:smile1:
Shahab-3
08-14-2006, 11:13 PM
This is a good article discussing the pros/cons for each side.
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=2612
mauro
08-15-2006, 12:16 AM
Hi Mauro -
Long time! Good to have you back bro!:smile1:
thanks shahab and alex :)
Reality101
08-15-2006, 11:03 AM
reality, ur acting like hezbollah is an army, remember that hezbollah is just a rebelgroup, now tell me why did those zionists killed and target only civialans, and not hizbollah, this will only prove that israel is the real terrorist state, its true when they call the idf babbykillers,what do they thought by als killing christians that they will fight hezbollah ore that their will come on cival war, how stupid can ur goverment be,israel is not realising that they are also not fighting hezbollah, but the whole of libanon state, dont you get it you had united them, those who ur now fighting with are those you had killed before, with other words you had killed their love ones, and now ques who will join hizbollah now ony shias but also christians, druzes, sunnies, etc all of those you had killed will their childerns take avenge, like they are doing now
why they are claiming victory is only 1000ste of those brave mudjahadiins had stopped the socalled superpower with the best tanks airplanes ofcourse with the help of america, you couldnt stop only brave 1000ste mudjahadiins,now what will those other arabs think, this will only gives mo self convidence to syria, egypt, saudi arabie, etc they will think hey israel arent the super powers afterall, evrybody saw now including those who didnt know any **** about the mideast how israel are the real terrorists,evrybody will see now how weak ur army is, if you think that hizbollah will disarm than you are out of ur mind, they are waiting for the second battle, and imagine now six years later, how powerfull they could be , they could also get anti air missles, and who knows nuclair weapons, you dont get it that hezbollah are fighting for the whole of the islamic nation, they want to tell us something, they has proven that we can beat israel, and free oure ppl, only if we got a strong believe, not only that, the oil is rising for iran, and ten second like new user said arabpuppets will lose power, for example in egypt we got the muslims brotherhood, israel made a big mistake by falling in nasrallahs tricks, yes maybe you could had killed innocent civalians,maybe you could had destroyed the whole nation, but with what else did you archieved, you did nothing else than uniting muslims, and even showing the whole world how stupid zionists are, Israel will come out a bigger loser in the long run because Hezbollah survived in a way no Arab army has ever done. And Hezbollah will be the kingmaker in Lebanese politics. In fact, I suspect the Lebanese National Army will be infiltrated with Hezbollah. Remember, the Lebanese Army is a joke. If Nasrallah agreed to it stationing in South Lebanon, he must know he can control it to some extent. That doesn't mean he's going to start launching rockets into Israel again right away. But it does mean he is still the most powerful player in South
its time to know who ur fighting with, ur fighting with a strong ppl who love their country and religion, UR FIGHTING WITH THE SONS OF ALI,HUSSEIN HASSAN
Well let me tell you why the Zionist killed more civilians than hezbollah. Because hezbollah stage a lot of rocket attacks from civilian area and then took off. So Israel air force bombs that area. Good job hezbollah you won the propaganda war. Firework lol, how pathetic.
Isn't Hezbollah the same group who is backed by Syria who attacked Lebanon. Go figure they wouldn't care too much about Lebanon civilians. Yes they fund Lebanon hospital, homes etc. Watch Iran try to also fund Lebanon. Its not cause they care. Its all about gaining the support of people.
The families can go join. Fact is they still won't win. Israel and the US will always be able to freely fly around your capitals. Your best bet will always be cowardly terrorist attacks. You will never see a foreign army in Israel or the United states capital. We aren't that desperate to claim victory when another country has invaded and destroyed our capital.
Let put facts together Soulja. Did they truly stop Israel army.
Billion of dollars worth of damage to Lebanon capital, Another billion overtime for all the tourist and investor who won't come back. Heck, but Hezbollah army still is intact. No damage to them right.
I think Israel even ruin Lebanon coast. That another 10 years of repair. Do your pros and con about Facts and not Muslim vs Zionist and you will see Lebanon lost but Hezbollah Won.
Yep and in the Long run when Hezbollah overtakes Lebanon it will only hurt Lebanon when Israel air force will just destroy Lebanon once again while hezbollah will continue to claim victory. YES HEZBOLLAH WILL LIVE WHILE LEBANON CIVILIAN DIE.
I GUESS WE CAN SHOOT FIREWORKS TO THAT(sarcasm)
And don't forget america when mobolize is a war machine that no country could withstand.
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