kurdish civile resistence

[sarbaze tabarestan]

turkey=land of torks
kords=aryans=non torks
our kurdish brothers resisting the ataturk tork fashism with celebrating aryan kurdish newruz in Turanistan!
kords never will be torks!
biji kordestan
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=UGiCwQhVsVs&feature=related
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=8aFCT9E5AUE&feature=related

[dogukan]

it's ok to celebrate Nevruz.....you should recheck what "some" Kurds do after celebrating nevruz.
And do not relate this to Atatürk.

[sarbaze tabarestan]

we all new what attatork was standing for!
he is the father of turkey!turkey means land of torks!how can a kurd be a turk?!its like u say a persian is an arab!or a german is french!
its not about newruz its about showing that they are not turks!
biji kordestan!

[dogukan]

we all new what attatork was standing for!
he is the father of turkey!turkey means land of torks!how can a kurd be a turk?!its like u say a persian is an arab!or a german is french!
its not about newruz its about showing that they are not turks!
biji kordestan!

no it's not like that. If every ethnicity had their own country there'd be 23452345 countries on earth.

By celebrating Nevruz they can't show that they're not Turks because Turks also celebrate Nevruz.
Turkey means lands of Turks...yes but that doesN't mean others doN't have the right to live in it. If you want seperation then you'd have to leave because we are not going anywhere..

[Alienoz]

we all new what attatork was standing for!
he is the father of turkey!turkey means land of torks!how can a kurd be a turk?!its like u say a persian is an arab!or a german is french!
its not about newruz its about showing that they are not turks!
biji kordestan!

We will see.

[Iranian Guards]

tabarestan stop this crap. kurds want also autonomy just like turkey for the kurds in Iran

[dogukan]

what was Atatürk standing for BTW? And whatever you know, how do you know it?

[1980s]

Everyone should support or at least sympathize with the plight of Kurds in Turkey for their language and cultural rights but it is hypocritical for any Iranian to support Kurdish separation from Turkey. Why? Because Kurds in Turkey want an independent Kurdistan. No Kurd from Turkey or Iraq has ever fought for joining with Iran. They want independence, just like the anti-Iranian PJAK and other suspicious Iranian Kurdish political groups like PDKI etc want. So how can we support Kurdish independence from Turkey when Iran has its own Kurdish population?

There can be no independent Kurdish state ever because the Kurds are not a nation. They have their own language and culture and identity, but they are not a nation and have never been a nation.

I accept the reasons why Kurds took up arms to fight for their rights but i wont agree to a Kurdistan being drawn on the map of the Middle East much like i wont ever support the Arabization or Turkification of the Kurds in Iraq and Turkey.

But that doesn't make Turks or Iraqi Arabs my enemies. Our Turkish and Iraqi friends should just appreciate and respect the rights and identity of the Kurds and give them their dues, just short of independence.

[1980s]

our kurdish brothers resisting the ataturk tork fashism with celebrating aryan kurdish newruz in Turanistan!

BTW please dont apply the name Turan to Turks or Turkey. Turks have nothing to do with Turan. The name and identity of Turan was stolen and highjacked in modern times by pan-Turks to give their ideology some kind of identity. But the true and original Turan of Shahnameh and ancient times was a land that belonged to and was inhabited by Iranian tribes long before the Turks began to move west out of Mongolia.

[sarbaze tabarestan]

no it's not like that. If every ethnicity had their own country there'd be 23452345 countries on earth.

By celebrating Nevruz they can't show that they're not Turks because Turks also celebrate Nevruz.Turkey means lands of Turks...yes but that doesN't mean others doN't have the right to live in it. If you want seperation then you'd have to leave because we are not going anywhere..
hahhaahahahah you arefunny---i know so many torks in germany no one celebrates newruz!but u are right its an turkic festival that why it was prohibited till the mid 90s and turks in western turkey did celebrate it!

[sarbaze tabarestan]

Turkey means lands of Turks...yes but that doesN't mean others doN't have the right to live in it. If you want seperation then you'd have to leave because we are not going anywhere..
oh how noble!they where living there even befor turks came!you can go to west turkey!dyabakir will be seperated!and soon kurds will be mayority in east tukey!i tjink thy are at the moment but some mhp guys question this!if not yet then in 10 years!

[sarbaze tabarestan]

tabarestan stop this crap. kurds want also autonomy just like turkey for the kurds in Iran
if they demand it they should get it!lets held an referendum if they want!

[Iranian Guards]

if they demand it they should get it!lets held an referendum if they want!

hold a referundum for the 3 milion Persians in America. give a piece of american land to the Persians :huh2:

[dogukan]

hahhaahahahah you arefunny---i know so many torks in germany no one celebrates newruz!but u are right its an turkic festival that why it was prohibited till the mid 90s and turks in western turkey did celebrate it!

many Turks in Germany are Kurds

[Alienoz]

many Turks in Germany are Kurds

70-30 percent. Majority Turk

[dogukan]

BTW please dont apply the name Turan to Turks or Turkey. Turks have nothing to do with Turan. The name and identity of Turan was stolen and highjacked in modern times by pan-Turks to give their ideology some kind of identity. But the true and original Turan of Shahnameh and ancient times was a land that belonged to and was inhabited by Iranian tribes long before the Turks began to move west out of Mongolia.

I doN't know what yoU're saying exactly but idea of uniting Turkics(called Turanism-I know it'f an Iranian word) was started by Tatars of Crimea in 19th century

[Alienoz]

Turanism is different thing.
Turkism is different thing.

Turanism encompasses Turks, Hungarians, Mongols, Koreans, Japanese and Finns.

[Zakali]

BTW please dont apply the name Turan to Turks or Turkey. Turks have nothing to do with Turan. The name and identity of Turan was stolen and highjacked in modern times by pan-Turks to give their ideology some kind of identity. But the true and original Turan of Shahnameh and ancient times was a land that belonged to and was inhabited by Iranian tribes long before the Turks began to move west out of Mongolia.

Wich lands?

[Iranian Guards]

Turanism is different thing.
Turkism is different thing.

Turanism encompasses Turks, Hungarians, Mongols, Koreans, Japanese and Finns.
japanese are turkic now ? :roflmao3:

[Iranium]

tabarestan stop this crap. kurds want also autonomy just like turkey for the kurds in Iran

no shut up, lol

we dont want autonomy in iran, maybe you should get autonomy for persians:roflmao3:

@tabaestan: it is not a good idea becuase it is impossible to just take a part of turkey of iraq... there are international agreements

[1980s]

I doN't know what yoU're saying exactly but idea of uniting Turkics(called Turanism-I know it'f an Iranian word) was started by Tatars of Crimea in 19th century

Im saying that we should not label or accept pan-Turks labelling themselves under the name "Turan" because "Turan" had nothing to do with Turks. If pan-Turks want to believe in a cause to unite all Turks i have no problem with that, but just like the Greeks will not accept that name "Republic of Macedonia" we Iranians should not accept the pan-Turks highjacking of the name of Turan and giving it a false meaning.

Turan was the name of Iranic inhabited Central Asia. Turks and Mongols did not exist in that region during the days it was spoken of as Turan in the Shahnameh.

[sarbaze tabarestan]

Everyone should support or at least sympathize with the plight of Kurds in Turkey for their language and cultural rights but it is hypocritical for any Iranian to support Kurdish separation from Turkey. Why? Because Kurds in Turkey want an independent Kurdistan. No Kurd from Turkey or Iraq has ever fought for joining with Iran. They want independence, just like the anti-Iranian PJAK and other suspicious Iranian Kurdish political groups like PDKI etc want. So how can we support Kurdish independence from Turkey when Iran has its own Kurdish population?

There can be no independent Kurdish state ever because the Kurds are not a nation. They have their own language and culture and identity, but they are not a nation and have never been a nation.

I accept the reasons why Kurds took up arms to fight for their rights but i wont agree to a Kurdistan being drawn on the map of the Middle East much like i wont ever support the Arabization or Turkification of the Kurds in Iraq and Turkey.

But that doesn't make Turks or Iraqi Arabs my enemies. Our Turkish and Iraqi friends should just appreciate and respect the rights and identity of the Kurds and give them their dues, just short of independence.

no body say they should join iran!lthey should be idependent!
kurds are nation!they only dont have a country!if the iranian kurds want
independence they should be allowed to held an referendum!
we are in a strong position!we dont discriminate kurds-they have much more culturell rights in iran than in turkey!iran is not named after one ethnic group like in country!iranians are aryans like kurds!kurds have build the first iranian nation!their ancestors are on the wll in perspolis!if kords are not iranian then who is?
in iran kords see themself as iranian!so lets held a vote!but in turkey no kord sees himself as tork!cause its impossible it like sayin iam persian and arab!they are two different races and nations!lets hold referendum cause torkestan will loose big time and iran will get an natural ally!even if we have to give up some land, it will strategecly help us much more and turkey will losse so badly and iran will be superpower in midlle east!

[Iranium]

Turanism is different thing.
Turkism is different thing.

Turanism encompasses Turks, Hungarians, Mongols, Koreans, Japanese and Finns.


you need to realize that we are all humans on a TINY, TINY planet trying to survive... if you just studied astronomy you would realize you small we are and that we (humans) need to work together. we are all insignificant in the scope of the universe. if our planet was a this dot ( . ) on this page then our galaxy (one of many galaxies) would be twice the size of sun !!!!! you are nothing, turks are nothing, persians are nothing, kurds are nothing. we are small, weak and stupid... all we can do in our short time on earth is be a good person and to help you family, children, friends and most importantly to help humanity in general


Average people are concerened about the REAL things in life and most people in Iran, Europe, US would laugh at you if you kept talking about your "Turkishness"

[1980s]

no body say they should join iran!lthey should be idependent!
kurds are nation!they only dont have a country!if the iranian kurds want
independence they should be allowed to held an referendum!
we are in a strong position!we dont discriminate kurds-they have much more culturell rights in iran than in turkey!iran is not named after one ethnic group like in country!iranians are aryans like kurds!kurds have build the first iranian nation!their ancestors are on the wll in perspolis!if kords are not iranian then who is?
in iran kords see themself as iranian!so lets held a vote!but in turkey no kord sees himself as tork!cause its impossible it like sayin iam persian and arab!they are two different races and nations!lets hold referendum cause torkestan will loose big time and iran will get an natural ally!even if we have to give up some land, it will strategecly help us much more and turkey will losse so badly and iran will be superpower in midlle east!

Iran cannot cede an inch of land to anyone because the Iran of today is smaller than the historical Iran - the country of Iranian tribes and peoples. Our country has been reduced to its present size because of foreigners and our weak and corrupt leaders of the past. Iranians have lost too much to the neighbouring nations and we have given them too much also, freely.

There can be no question of accepting a referendum in Kordestan or Kermanshah or any other area dominated by Iranian Kurds, even for the sake of proving they reject separatism. Because even the process of holding a referendum, whatever the outcome might be, is for us to imply or even accept that the Kurds are not wholly Iranian. Which is false. Like you said, Iran is not named after one ethnic group. I dont see why somebody from Kordestan or Kermanshah should not feel as much at home in Fars or Esfahan and vice-versa. The whole country is theirs, not just their own province.

An independent Kurdistan in the Middle East will bring about an alien ideology to the region, namely the alien Western European concept of "the nation state" - Nations that are built upon a single ethnic group that shares a single and common language and culture. Middle Eastern states and nations have never been built on such concepts until the fall of the Ottoman Empire - And we should not accept the existence of even more alien states in our part of the World.

That is my view.

[Alienoz]

you need to realize that we are all humans on a TINY, TINY planet trying to survive... if you just studied astronomy you would realize you small we are and that we (humans) need to work together. we are all insignificant in the scope of the universe. if our planet was a this dot ( . ) on this page then our galaxy (one of many galaxies) would be twice the size of sun !!!!! you are nothing, turks are nothing, persians are nothing, kurds are nothing. we are small, weak and stupid... all we can do in our short time on earth is be a good person and to help you family, children, friends and most importantly to help humanity in general


Average people are concerened about the REAL things in life and most people in Iran, Europe, US would laugh at you if you kept talking about your "Turkishness"

I am teaching terms. Turanism isn't equal to Turkism. Everybody says Turanism is unity of Turks. Wrong.

Pan Turanism encompasses these nations I mentioned in the previous post, either. I am not Pan Turanist. I have nothing to do with Japanese or Hungarians. See, Not Turanist am I.

[Noor]

I am teaching terms. Turanism isn't equal to Turkism. Everybody says Turanism is unity of Turks. Wrong.

Pan Turanism encompasses these nations I mentioned in the previous post, either. I am not Pan Turanist. I have nothing to do with Japanese or Hungarians. See, Not Turanist am I.

So then you are a pan turk?

[Zakali]

Turanism is like Aryanism. Don't tell me that u got something to do with Norwegians?

[Noor]

Turanism is like Aryanism. Don't tell me that u got something to do with Norwegians?

I think you should read the definition of Aryan :roflmao3:

[sarbaze tabarestan]

i know--that nobody iniran wants seperation!even jundullah and pejak say they want an iranian federal system!i am telling the foreigners in this forum and specialy the torks that we are not afraid to hold areferendum---but the torks would never do this cause they know a kord will never feel as atork!
believe me if u do bad things one day u will pay!lokk at germany ,look at stalin,look at milosevic look at saddam!they destroyed their countrys at the end!considering their behavejour towards their ethnic minoritys!
the same will happen to turkey!

[sarbaze tabarestan]

Turanism is like Aryanism. Don't tell me that u got something to do with Norwegians?
hahahahahah u are so uneducated!who say aryans were blond and had blue eyes!

[Noor]

you need to realize that we are all humans on a TINY, TINY planet trying to survive... if you just studied astronomy you would realize you small we are and that we (humans) need to work together. we are all insignificant in the scope of the universe. if our planet was a this dot ( . ) on this page then our galaxy (one of many galaxies) would be twice the size of sun !!!!! you are nothing, turks are nothing, persians are nothing, kurds are nothing. we are small, weak and stupid... all we can do in our short time on earth is be a good person and to help you family, children, friends and most importantly to help humanity in general


Average people are concerened about the REAL things in life and most people in Iran, Europe, US would laugh at you if you kept talking about your "Turkishness"

nicely put bro :)

[Zakali]

hahahahahah u are so uneducated!who say aryans were blond and had blue eyes!

I did not said that Aryans are blond etc etc..

Aryan = Indo-European language group.

Just like Turan.

Ural-Altai language group wich includes Turkic, Finnic, Sami, Ugric (Hungarian), Japanese, Korean and Tungus. But its just a language group, non of those ppls are related to each other.

That was what i meant.

[mango994]

I don't know whether a Kurdish state should be created, but I think that at first the Kurds should be given the ability for self-definition, such as setting an autonomy in their territories in Turkey and Iran. Maybe they shall find that it's better for them living under foreign state (after all, building a new state is a hell of a business), but as long as they would have ethnic independence in the form of autonomy, they shall feel less oppressed.

[1980s]

I don't know whether a Kurdish state should be created, but I think that at first the Kurds should be given the ability for self-definition, such as setting an autonomy in their territories in Turkey and Iran. Maybe they shall find that it's better for them living under foreign state (after all, building a new state is a hell of a business), but as long as they would have ethnic independence in the form of autonomy, they shall feel less oppressed.

Kurds are not foreign to Iran and Iran is not foreign to Kurds. It is THEIR country for thousands of years.

It disgusts me how thickheaded some of you choose to remain even after you have been told countless times before by Iranian Kurds themselves on this very forum what their country is and what it means to be an Iranian. Maybe you are deliberately choosing to remain ignorant to spread these daft ideas about "autonomy" for Iranians from their own country and other nonsense ideas.

There can be no "ethnic autonomy" in any part of Iran because there is no province or region of Iran that is 100% made up of a single ethnic group and each people and community of Iran is as Iranian as eacother. Ethnic groups are not entitled to autonomy just based on the fact that they speak a certain language or have certain traditions. When it comes to Iran all of its ethnic communities are apart of a larger whole. Not because I say so but because this is the plain facts about things.

Iran is a nation and it is made up of only one nation - Iranians. Although Iran has many diverse communities with their own languages and regional cultures. But they belong to one nation, and one civilization as shown throughout history. The only exceptions to this might be the Arabs and Turcoman minorities, and some other non-Iranian minorities. But they moved to Iran hundreds or even a thousand years ago and have been living on Iranian soil ever since. Therefore, Iran is their adopted country and they cannot break away. They can remove themselves if they want but the land belongs to Iran.

Perhaps in Israel where you claim to be located it is acceptable that when outsiders migrate en-mass into somebody else's homeland that they eventually claim it to be their own (like you did in Palestine) but no such treacherous and dirty manipulation will ever be accepted by Iranians on their own lands.

Now you're entitled to your opinion but spreading of disinformation (like calling Iran a foreign state to its Kurdish people) should not be tolerated when the facts of this have already been set straight many times before.

[Noor]

I did not said that Aryans are blond etc etc..

Aryan = Indo-European language group.

Just like Turan.

Ural-Altai language group wich includes Turkic, Finnic, Sami, Ugric (Hungarian), Japanese, Korean and Tungus. But its just a language group, non of those ppls are related to each other.

That was what i meant.

That is not what Aryan is, try again. :wub2:

[sarbaze tabarestan]

hahahahahhahaha loooooooooooool
in caspian az in siadi sebelhaye keshvareshe!
seh chahar saale pish be in migoften
eeeeeeeeendeeeeeeeeeeeee hushe khoda wakili

[Kuheylan]

BTW please dont apply the name Turan to Turks or Turkey. Turks have nothing to do with Turan. The name and identity of Turan was stolen and highjacked in modern times by pan-Turks to give their ideology some kind of identity. But the true and original Turan of Shahnameh and ancient times was a land that belonged to and was inhabited by Iranian tribes long before the Turks began to move west out of Mongolia.

ahhh, someone with sense in this forum. I thought we will be amusing ourselfs with tabaratheguyfromarabistan forever, thank God you showed up.

[mango994]

Kurds are not foreign to Iran and Iran is not foreign to Kurds. It is THEIR country for thousands of years.

It disgusts me how thickheaded some of you choose to remain even after you have been told countless times before by Iranian Kurds themselves on this very forum what their country is and what it means to be an Iranian. Maybe you are deliberately choosing to remain ignorant to spread these daft ideas about "autonomy" for Iranians from their own country and other nonsense ideas.

There can be no "ethnic autonomy" in any part of Iran because there is no province or region of Iran that is 100% made up of a single ethnic group and each people and community of Iran is as Iranian as eacother. Ethnic groups are not entitled to autonomy just based on the fact that they speak a certain language or have certain traditions. When it comes to Iran all of its ethnic communities are apart of a larger whole. Not because I say so but because this is the plain facts about things.

Iran is a nation and it is made up of only one nation - Iranians. Although Iran has many diverse communities with their own languages and regional cultures. But they belong to one nation, and one civilization as shown throughout history. The only exceptions to this might be the Arabs and Turcoman minorities, and some other non-Iranian minorities. But they moved to Iran hundreds or even a thousand years ago and have been living on Iranian soil ever since. Therefore, Iran is their adopted country and they cannot break away. They can remove themselves if they want but the land belongs to Iran.

Perhaps in Israel where you claim to be located it is acceptable that when outsiders migrate en-mass into somebody else's homeland that they eventually claim it to be their own (like you did in Palestine) but no such treacherous and dirty manipulation will ever be accepted by Iranians on their own lands.

Now you're entitled to your opinion but spreading of disinformation (like calling Iran a foreign state to its Kurdish people) should not be tolerated when the facts of this have already been set straight many times before.

Whatever... think of Iran as an option. Besides, are the Iranian kurds on this forum the only ones in the world? As this forum is not very politically divided among the Iranian members, I don't expect the ones here to be their representers. Anyway, leave Iran alone. It's about Turkey here.

[Kuheylan]

Whatever... think of Iran as an option. Besides, are the Iranian kurds on this forum the only ones in the world? As this forum is not very politically divided among the Iranian members, I don't expect the ones here to be their representers. Anyway, leave Iran alone. It's about Turkey here. It's not only about Turkey, if their resistance is legimitade then they are resisting also the Iranian regime (pjak, mossad trained soldiers etc).