our lovely ally 'israel' training the peshmerges

[azad]

Israel 'trains Iraqi Kurd forces'
By Magdi Abdelhadi
Arab affairs analyst, BBC News

The BBC has obtained evidence that Israelis have been giving military training to Kurds in northern Iraq.

A report on the BBC TV programme Newsnight showed Israeli experts in Kurdish areas of north Iraq, drilling soldiers in shooting techniques.

Kurdish officials have refused to comment on the report and Israel has denied it knows of any involvement.

The revelation is set to cause enormous problems for the Kurds, not only in Iraq but also in the wider region.

Inside Iraq as well as in the wider region Israel is seen as an enemy of Arabs and Muslims.

'Against Israeli law'

Kurdish politicians will most likely come under pressure to explain what their semi-autonomous government has been up too.

Israeli security experts who spoke to the BBC said they could not have worked inside Kurdistan without the knowledge of the Kurdish authorities.

The news will most probably increase the tension between the Kurds and other Iraqis.

Iraq's neighbours, too, will be outraged.

Iran and Syria, which have long accused the Kurds of allowing the Israelis to operate on Iraqi territory, will demand an explanation from the government in Baghdad.

The Israeli government says it is conducting an investigation into the BBC report because it is against Israeli law to export military know-how without prior permission.

'Conspiracy evidence'

The BBC report will be like the smoking gun the Arab media has spent years looking for.

Ever since the US-led invasion of Iraq began over three years ago, Arab journalists have been speaking of Israelis operating inside the autonomous region of Kurdistan.

They said this was evidence that toppling Saddam Hussein was only the first chapter in a wider American-Israeli conspiracy to eliminate threats to their strategic interests and re-draw the map of the Middle East.

Syria and Iran, which have common borders with Kurdish areas, are believed to be the primary target.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5364982.stm

[Arashi]

This has been known since the 80ies...And they whine about the countries supporting Hizbullah... :rolleyes1:

[SS_Charlemagne]

Guys, read this! Political surrealism????

Turkey to aid Iraqi Kurds in civil war

Turkey to aid Iraqi Kurds in civil war
Sep. 21, 2006 at 1:04AM

Turkey would protect Iraqi Kurds in the event of an all-out civil war in Iraq, Turkey's foreign minister told a Turkish-American group in New York.

"The core of the problem is that if Iraq was divided, there would definitely be a civil war and neighboring countries definitely would be involved in this," Abdullah Gul said in a breakfast speech to the American Turkish Society in New York.

If that happens, Turkey would support Iraqi Kurds, Gul pledged.

Gul warned Iraqi instability could break the country into autonomous Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions, The New Anatolian newspaper reports.

He said Turkey supports a gradual withdrawal of U.S.-led forces from Iraq, underscoring the importance of Iraqi security forces attaining national and border security.

http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/103016

Note: the original source is Washington Times.

[dogukan]

This is called policy :)
Don't trust anyone

[azad]

this is called hypocrisy to be precise..

and while this was still on bbc's first page, turkish officials were forcing an iranian plane to land in istanbul most probably on israel's command..

don't we just need better policy makers?

[kaiser_tr]

hmm Iran used to support kurd terrorists in Turkey...Now Iran is seeking a cooperation with Turkey against kurds.isn't this hypocrisy??

[azad]

@kaiser_tr
when exactly did this happen?
iran's support for pkk has always been murmured by some people in turkey, i pretty much know who they are, but did the turkish state or the turkish media or any international group present any evidence that it has actually happened?

is there a single evidence that iran supported pkk in any means, except for rumours that are being generated intentionally? if so, i'd like to see it..

after the revolution in 1979 and during the iran-iraq war, iran was simply uncapable of fighting against pkk or pjak.. things have pretty much changed since.. you could confirm this by simply visiting pkk's website, or asking the guerillas in north iraq..

[kaiser_tr]

of course i,as a simple citizen dont have any proof on iran's support top PKK...but in all our goverment's(and international) reports it is said that iran supports PKK with Iraq,Syria and Greece...

some of the links(old news)

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/studies3.htm

http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/CHR/ING2001/03/30x03x01.HTM

search for keywords "iran" or "pkk"

But now Turkey,Iran and Syria are working together against the growing Kurdish threat.I read that Iran is bombing PKK bases for a while and Syria doesnt let any Kurdish terorist use its land.Leader of PKK used to live in Syria only 10 years ago.But now things have changed and a new enemy came in(USA)

All three country should be friends.not enemys.thats how we can stay alive in this part of the world.

[Shapur 2]

The "Iran supports PKK" is one of the biggest lies, among the many, that the turkish government spews out.

the PKK is vehemently anti Iranian. thats like saying that Iran supports al qaeda.

LMAO!

[kaiser_tr]

yeah thats the thing actually...iran couldnt see the next move...

shappur;iran always supported kurds...you used kurds against Iraq(during your war) and against Turkey.

Now USA is using kurds against you...hunter became the hunt..ahaha ironic isnt it??

[BlueFalcon109]

The "Iran supports PKK" is one of the biggest lies, among the many, that the turkish government spews out.

the PKK is vehemently anti Iranian. thats like saying that Iran supports al qaeda.

LMAO!

actually america used to say that iran supports al queda back in like 2002-2003 and how we allow them sanctuary.. :P i love americans ^^

[AnatolianLion]

Israel 'trains Iraqi Kurd forces'
By Magdi Abdelhadi
Arab affairs analyst, BBC News

The BBC has obtained evidence that Israelis have been giving military training to Kurds in northern Iraq.

A report on the BBC TV programme Newsnight showed Israeli experts in Kurdish areas of north Iraq, drilling soldiers in shooting techniques.

Kurdish officials have refused to comment on the report and Israel has denied it knows of any involvement.

The revelation is set to cause enormous problems for the Kurds, not only in Iraq but also in the wider region.

Inside Iraq as well as in the wider region Israel is seen as an enemy of Arabs and Muslims.

'Against Israeli law'

Kurdish politicians will most likely come under pressure to explain what their semi-autonomous government has been up too.

Israeli security experts who spoke to the BBC said they could not have worked inside Kurdistan without the knowledge of the Kurdish authorities.

The news will most probably increase the tension between the Kurds and other Iraqis.

Iraq's neighbours, too, will be outraged.

Iran and Syria, which have long accused the Kurds of allowing the Israelis to operate on Iraqi territory, will demand an explanation from the government in Baghdad.

The Israeli government says it is conducting an investigation into the BBC report because it is against Israeli law to export military know-how without prior permission.

'Conspiracy evidence'

The BBC report will be like the smoking gun the Arab media has spent years looking for.

Ever since the US-led invasion of Iraq began over three years ago, Arab journalists have been speaking of Israelis operating inside the autonomous region of Kurdistan.

They said this was evidence that toppling Saddam Hussein was only the first chapter in a wider American-Israeli conspiracy to eliminate threats to their strategic interests and re-draw the map of the Middle East.

Syria and Iran, which have common borders with Kurdish areas, are believed to be the primary target.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5364982.stm


Wow, what a fake freind. No wonder why people in Turkey hate Israel so much. They try to be a close ally, but it's really funny how Turkish army general's lick their asses so much, then they screw us over, by training PKK forces which hide in Iraq and they arm PKK to kill Turkish soldiers. Those Zionists are a bunch of two faced liars. Our only true freinds are Pakistan, South Korea, Japan, North African Countries, Bosnia, Albania, Hungary, Macedonia, Ukraine, Georgia, Brazil and Chile.

[protocon]

Wow, this is a really dangerous move by Israel. Iran has to stay very vigilant on the Iraq-Iran border , especially the kurdish parts.But its ok, i'm sure MOIS and IRGC will start monitoring the Kurds-from inside too!, and know whats really going on. Anyone got links to articles on Iran shelling Iraqi Kurdistan areas?

[Kermanshah1]

Wow, this is a really dangerous move by Israel. Iran has to stay very vigilant on the Iraq-Iran border , especially the kurdish parts.But its ok, i'm sure MOIS and IRGC will start monitoring the Kurds-from inside too!, and know whats really going on. Anyone got links to articles on Iran shelling Iraqi Kurdistan areas?

Iran is on very friendly relations with the Kurdish government and itself has been providing the Peshmerga with training, weapons and intelligence since the early 80s. If it wasn't for Iran, Kurds would have never defeated Saddam.

This article is not about Iraqi Kurdisan's security forces: the Peshmerga, but about the PKK, which has no official status in the Kurdish Autonomous Republic but is a rebel group fighting for independence from Turkey. Those who Iran was shelling are the PJAK, the anti-Iran branch of the PKK. In the 1990s the PKK was allowed bases in Northern Iraq and those are the sites which Iran attacked, and these are also the places were Israeli agents are active giving training.

[protocon]

Iran is on very friendly relations with the Kurdish government and itself has been providing the Peshmerga with training, weapons and intelligence since the early 80s. If it wasn't for Iran, Kurds would have never defeated Saddam.

This article is not about Iraqi Kurdisan's security forces: the Peshmerga, but about the PKK, which has no official status in the Kurdish Autonomous Republic but is a rebel group fighting for independence from Turkey. Those who Iran was shelling are the PJAK, the anti-Iran branch of the PKK. In the 1990s the PKK was allowed bases in Northern Iraq and those are the sites which Iran attacked, and these are also the places were Israeli agents are active giving training.

i get your point Kerman...my only issue is that i really don't trust the kurds in Iraq especially. i feel if they had things their way, they would do away with anyone who has helped them-including Iran. I believe iraqi Kurds will be the most trouble some because they are the kurds with the closest chance of any independent "state". Iran has kept its leverage on the Kurds, and thats good. I dont know how much i believe the KRG is really trying to disarm and stop PKK and PEJAK attacks on Iran and Turkey. They might even tell Iran they are trying to stop them, but i don't trust that either.

[Kermanshah1]

i get your point Kerman...my only issue is that i really don't trust the kurds in Iraq especially. i feel if they had things their way, they would do away with anyone who has helped them-including Iran. I believe iraqi Kurds will be the most trouble some because they are the kurds with the closest chance of any independent "state". Iran has kept its leverage on the Kurds, and thats good. I dont know how much i believe the KRG is really trying to disarm and stop PKK and PEJAK attacks on Iran and Turkey. They might even tell Iran they are trying to stop them, but i don't trust that either.

The KRG doesn't want to fight PKK for the Turks, also there is a moral issue here. They can't go tell Kurds in Turkey can't fight for independence, while they themselfes have done just that. KRG is trying to negotiate a peace between the PKK and Turkey but Turkish military leaders won't budge so negotiations are going nowhere.