Is Iran accepted as a potential nuclear power?

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Is the realpolitik that defined US-China relations under Nixon and later US reaction to India-PAkistan building of nuclear capability, the underlying reality behind the current Iran-US-West relations?


Definition:
Realpolitik (German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language): real “realistic”, “practical” or “actual”; and Politik “politics”) refers to politics or diplomacy based primarily on practical considerations, rather than ideological notions. The term realpolitik is often used pejoratively to imply politics that are coercive, amoral, or Machiavellian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellian). Realpolitik is a theory of politics that focuses on considerations of power, not ideals, morals, or principles.

Central point:

The acceptance of a possible Iranian nuclear power, not active encouragement or total disregard.

[Mardonius]

Fact AIPAC controls US politics.

Fact AIPAC will never come to terms with an iranian nuke.

Although there isnt much they can do about it, they will b*tch and moan to the end, and never "accept" a nuclear iran.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Fact AIPAC controls US politics.

Fact AIPAC will never come to terms with an iranian nuke.

Although there isnt much they can do about it, they will b*tch and moan to the end, and never "accept" a nuclear iran.

Fact= realpolitik is about the substance of foreign policy and not the rhetoric and pronouncements. The same way US condemned Indian nuclearisation, while in reality accepted it.

AIPAC is not always an equivalent of Israeli government, they are realistic and startegic about their expectations... the same way they did not really try to stop Pakistani nuclearisation (near Israel, Islamic country, close to saudi Arabia and Iran).

[Ayyash]

Assuming Iran will get/has a nuclear device, it really depends on how good (or how America thinks they are) command-and-control reg's for the nuclear facilities to be, and because the missile units are under control of the IRGC, i think that America views them largely as unstable because the perception is that the IRGC is a religion driven revolutionary unit filled with ideologues.

Also, we cant really re approach Iran like we did with India and Pakistan and give them a bunch of shiny new toys that improve the command and control mechanisms that would make accidental launch unlikely.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Assuming Iran will get/has a nuclear device, it really depends on how good (or how America thinks they are) command-and-control reg's for the nuclear facilities to be, and because the missile units are under control of the IRGC, i think that America views them largely as unstable because the perception is that the IRGC is a religion driven revolutionary unit filled with ideologues.

Also, we cant really re approach Iran like we did with India and Pakistan and give them a bunch of shiny new toys that improve the command and control mechanisms that would make accidental launch unlikely.

On the IRGC point, it is quite ironic for US to engage in diplomacy with Iran, if it deems its most important military arm is irrational. What US does not want to happen is Iran completely taking over the region by using the nuclear backbone.

No this is about US non-intervention and less about US giving Iran new glimmering nuclear boots! Pakistan and India were not really helped at the begining in the 80's. Only recently some developments have pushed forward.

[Sokuy30]

On the IRGC point, it is quite ironic for US to engage in diplomacy with Iran, if it deems its most important military arm is irrational. What US does not want to happen is Iran completely taking over the region by using the nuclear backbone.
Why not????

No this is about US non-intervention and less about US giving Iran new glimmering nuclear boots! Pakistan and India were not really helped at the begining in the 80's. Only recently some developments have pushed forward.
Too bad And Too late!
Iran will do whatever it takes to Secure her borders and Skies!:teacher3:
I hate people who think like second class citizens.:teacher3:

[Jan]

I think Obama's government has to sit down and accept the fact that Iran is going nuclear. Sanctions does not work, craziest man for eight years didn't work, threats hasn't worked. The worst thing that could happen in the region right now is war with Iran. Obama's schedule is already full. An attack from Israel without full American support is not possible.

That's about it.

[Ghulam]

If US can't beat someone, even with their legendary embargos, they do anything to convince them for joining the 'Allies' club.

From now on US is going to use a softer tone against Iran and they will try to make Iran their new buddy in ME.

No one gave this right to us, we made too much sacrifice for this great goal.
Sooner or later they will accept.

[Kermanshah1]

The West won't accept us as nuclear power, but basically we don't give a sh*t and will go nuclear anyway.;)

[Intrn'l_relations101]

I believe US is still trying to accept the fact that Iran is an undeniable power in the region to reckon with...

[Intrn'l_relations101]

Why not????

Too bad And Too late!
Iran will do whatever it takes to Secure her borders and Skies!:teacher3:
I hate people who think like second class citizens.:teacher3:
What are yout alking about? :roflmao3:

[Intrn'l_relations101]

I think Obama's government has to sit down and accept the fact that Iran is going nuclear. Sanctions does not work, craziest man for eight years didn't work, threats hasn't worked. The worst thing that could happen in the region right now is war with Iran. Obama's schedule is already full. An attack from Israel without full American support is not possible.

That's about it.

US has not used one important sanction. The embargo on fuel/gas imports of Iran. I am talkign about the refined ones.

[globetrotter]

If US can't beat someone, even with their legendary embargos, they do anything to convince them for joining the 'Allies' club.

From now on US is going to use a softer tone against Iran and they will try to make Iran their new buddy in ME.

No one gave this right to us, we made too much sacrifice for this great goal.
Sooner or later they will accept.


Oh yeah, they follow the old British addage of: If you can't beat'em, Join'em.

[Sokuy30]

What are yout alking about? :roflmao3:

You should know by now, I talk in Packets.
read between the Lines.:hellobaby3:

[World-Justice]

Whether or not they have accepted already, they will accept as they have no other choice. It's just a matter of time, as Iran has gone through the most difficult part of the technology.

[Fadly]

Having a nuclear power reactor and a capability to enrich uranium doesn't make a country a nuclear power. you're a nuclear power when you have an A-bomb sitting in your basement, and Iran have stated it never intended to go that way. i think some Iranian here got carried away by the Iranian achievements in nuclear technology. they dream of Iran owned a nuclear arsenal.

[wmac]

Having a nuclear power reactor and a capability to enrich uranium doesn't make a country a nuclear power. you're a nuclear power when you have an A-bomb sitting in your basement, and Iran have stated it never intended to go that way. i think some Iranian here got carried away by the Iranian achievements in nuclear technology. they dream of Iran owned a nuclear arsenal.

Or you have the capability of creating one or more in a reasonable time (i.e. less than a year or perhaps less than that).

Of course we dream. Because without bomb the bomb owner countries will always try to dominate or threaten us. With bomb threats won't go away but a minimal deterrence is established.

[Intrn'l_relations101]

You should know by now, I talk in Packets.
read between the Lines.:hellobaby3:

Not to mean anything wrong, but there is a difference between insinuasion and vague statements. you know.