Iranian U-Boat

[Canashea]

Anyone seen this Iranian Mini U-Boat?, Decent for Commando Operations, Very similar to the WW2 British X-Craft.
http://www.mehrnews.com/mehr_media/image/2006/01/172518_orig.jpg

http://www.iranian.com/Quiz/2002/February/Images/sub.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/440000/images/_444574_irab_sub300.jpg

[Kenjpn]

isnt that the Ghadir midget sub??

[Janbaz]

isnt that the Ghadir midget sub??

Yes it is. The Nahang Sub is slitly bigger.

[Pylyp Orlyk]

Why you call it U-boat, is it made in Deutchland?

[BehzadM]

U-Boat just meant underwater boat

[Canashea]

German or not, The term U-Boat is actually the proper word becouse it stands for 'Underwater Boat'.

[Kaveh]

Why you call it U-boat, is it made in Deutchland?

the german word is

Unterwasser Boot

u-boot

[Power_Serj]

German or not, The term U-Boat is actually the proper word becouse it stands for 'Underwater Boat'.


U-boat is the German word, but if you're speaking English it's submarine.

Does this thing carry torpedoes or is it a sort of reconaissance submarine. U.S has something like this to transport SEALs, only it's smaller.

[mig21bis]

the german word is

Unterwasser Boot

u-boot


++++ Unterseeboot ;)

[ahm12]

I want to ask what kind of latest submarines iran have?

[Kaveh]

I want to ask what kind of latest submarines iran have?

http://www.spacewar.com/images/submarine-iran-diesel-bg.jpg
http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/001-317.jpg
http://www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/2000/November/Images/submarine.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7535/2681/1600/6_8501170180_L600.0.jpg < iranian made nahang-1

[untouchable]

the german word is

Unterwasser Boot

u-boot

I'm pretty sure the german word is untersea booten.

[Land-Man]

Everyone on any Iranian sub is dead in a conflict with the U.S. Navy. You have no naval tradition or skill.

[Ezhdeha]

Everyone on any Iranian sub is dead in a conflict with the U.S. Navy. You have no naval tradition or skill.


I don't think that was part of any question on this thread. You sound to much like NIGHT....

[Karl Martel]

Naval tradition is not a guarantee of a success.
Some so-called "small nations" have defeated biggest opponents specially during naval conflicts.
Underestimating of enemyes is traditionally a problem of Western world.

Examples??


Japanese navy 1941-1942
K-u-K submarines in Mediterranean at WW I.
Italian midget submarines operations in WW II.

So.., one Kilo or Iranian derivative submarine can really scrap anything in Persian Gulf.., with agressive commander and air support.
The vulnerability of "90 000 tons of diplomacy" is commonly known..,many NATO SSK submarines achieved a "kill" of CVN in naval exercises, in one example venerable Portuguese dieselelectric Agosta class boot "sink" an US carrier, and "survived" it.

K.M.

[kaiser_tr]

dude you call italy and japan small nations?? :)

they began industrilization in 1800's...you cant compare iran with japan

[kaiser_tr]

Naval tradition is not a guarantee of a success.



and i agree with this.naval tradition is not a guarantee but in some countrys within years,this tradition lead to naval industry which can be considered as a guarantee:)

some nations who have naval history+tradition like Greece have no intend in naval industry.

its complicated but

traditon+industry > industry > tradition :)

[Karl Martel]

dude you call italy and japan small nations?? :)

they began industrilization in 1800's...you cant compare iran with japan

Japan industrilization began after Meiji reform era.., 1870-1890 and just fifteen years of growing the industry and hardening of national morale procedeed to excellent victory against Russian empire.
The same Italy..after Reunion of the middle-aged odd-states in 1870-1880 come the "Mare Nostrum" era,clashes with Austrians etc,etc..

It is approximately need two generations of educated engineers,skilled laborers, hard soldiers to "create" a tradition.
In my motherland, who is far from any sea were extraordinary seamen serving in K-u-K submarine service in Great War.
The were above the standard for theirs technical and general education.

For that is Land-man wrong.., the tradition is just a "glue" of the technology and skills to "esprit de corps".
I think..,the first (not must be major) victory of Iranian submariners boosted the morale and get first "puzzle" to future pictures of glory.

K.M.

[Jordan]

dude you call italy and japan small nations?? :)

they began industrilization in 1800's...you cant compare iran with japan

Actually Iran has a head start before Japan. Japan has little to no natural resources, but has the world's second largest economy. Japan also had to start over after WW2. The Iran-Iraq war was harsh, but didn't cause anywhere close to the same damage as WW2.

It is unfortunate that Iraq isn't becoming another Japan.:worried2:

[javid khan]

Actually Iran has a head start before Japan. Japan has little to no natural resources, but has the world's second largest economy. Japan also had to start over after WW2. The Iran-Iraq war was harsh, but didn't cause anywhere close to the same damage as WW2.

It is unfortunate that Iraq isn't becoming another Japan.:worried2:

thats what i always think about, when saddam went i though Iraq would become the new japan, but i suppose the japanese are in a league of thier own

[javid khan]

USN is close to invincible, this is a fact, you might get lucky once but USN has sheild over its carrier groups

no one can come close to USN in warefare, the gene pool of knowledge in US is too great, it will take China another decade of hard work with billions invest to get anywhere near USN

[Karl Martel]

USN is close to invincible, this is a fact, you might get lucky once but USN has sheild over its carrier groups

no one can come close to USN in warefare, the gene pool of knowledge in US is too great, it will take China another decade of hard work with billions invest to get anywhere near USN

Hmm..,and the story of USS Cole was what?? "Close encounter", of course!
I say why i think, that the iranian Kilos are dangerous.., US Navy hired from Sweden very silent SSK and all the whole Navy trained the catch of that.
With minor results.., of course.
In mild waters are passive systems(hydrophons..) out, active systems (sonars..) are shortened and without air support you are in troubles very fast..!
"The pool of knovledge" is now bigger on Iranian site..

K.M.

[abdou]

are kilo class any good? algeria has around two and has brought another two.

iam not an expert in navy issues.

thanks in advance,

[Karl Martel]

Good.., of course!
In Baltex exercises Polish Kilo SSK "sunk" Ticonderoga class destroyer and evaded with no problems..,that is fact.
So in Mediterranean it must be too easy.
But again..,i have no confirmed infos about level of education and training of Algerian submariners.., and that is the important thing in modern naval warfare.

K.M.

[leftwing]

Actually Iran has a head start before Japan. Japan has little to no natural resources, but has the world's second largest economy. Japan also had to start over after WW2. The Iran-Iraq war was harsh, but didn't cause anywhere close to the same damage as WW2.

It is unfortunate that Iraq isn't becoming another Japan.:worried2:

hahaha you honestly thought Iraq would turn into another Japan.. oh my.. your foreign policy is in bad shape if most republicans think like you

[Power_Serj]

Hmm..,and the story of USS Cole was what?? "Close encounter", of course!
I say why i think, that the iranian Kilos are dangerous.., US Navy hired from Sweden very silent SSK and all the whole Navy trained the catch of that.
With minor results.., of course.
In mild waters are passive systems(hydrophons..) out, active systems (sonars..) are shortened and without air support you are in troubles very fast..!
"The pool of knovledge" is now bigger on Iranian site..

K.M.

USN is the most powerful Navy in the world. For the USS Cole problem, they already have new toys to deter new similiar attacks. They have this thing that has a directed sound system where it warns boats that if they come close they will be shot. It's VERY loud. If they don't comply, they put it at max screech sound....if they don't turn around, then the Navy knows that they are going to try to blow up the ship with explosives so they can shoot at it. The reason the Cole blew up was because the crew didn't know if they were civilian or not, so they never shot for fear of risking innocent lives.

US Navy already has it's own air support. Aircraft carriers hold old submarie planes and aerial reconnasaince. If they need help, USAF can do the job.

[abdou]

Good.., of course!
In Baltex exercises Polish Kilo SSK "sunk" Ticonderoga class destroyer and evaded with no problems..,that is fact.
So in Mediterranean it must be too easy.
But again..,i have no confirmed infos about level of education and training of Algerian submariners.., and that is the important thing in modern naval warfare.

K.M.

ok thank you i will try and find information about the algerian submariners.

thanks again

[Karl Martel]

USN is the most powerful Navy in the world. For the USS Cole problem, they already have new toys to deter new similiar attacks. They have this thing that has a directed sound system where it warns boats that if they come close they will be shot. It's VERY loud. If they don't comply, they put it at max screech sound....if they don't turn around, then the Navy knows that they are going to try to blow up the ship with explosives so they can shoot at it. The reason the Cole blew up was because the crew didn't know if they were civilian or not, so they never shot for fear of risking innocent lives.

US Navy already has it's own air support. Aircraft carriers hold old submarie planes and aerial reconnasaince. If they need help, USAF can do the job.

I know the power of US Navy..,but i too know the term "asymmetrical conflict".
And this is very simple to summarize cost of the US Navy "toys" against one rubber boat with explosives.
The tactics is like live organism..,make a selfdevelopment.
Who can predicted any new trick of muslim combattants??
It is too easy learn historical books and reports.., for example, with new technology build old WWII vintage "Neger" human torpedo can be a serious problem.

K.M.

[javid khan]

Hmm..,and the story of USS Cole was what?? "Close encounter", of course!
I say why i think, that the iranian Kilos are dangerous.., US Navy hired from Sweden very silent SSK and all the whole Navy trained the catch of that.
With minor results.., of course.
In mild waters are passive systems(hydrophons..) out, active systems (sonars..) are shortened and without air support you are in troubles very fast..!
"The pool of knovledge" is now bigger on Iranian site..

K.M.

link?

that floating peice of russian junk wont last 1 second against USN next generation Werewolf submarines, where do you guys get your crazy ideas from

[javid khan]

I know the power of US Navy..,but i too know the term "asymmetrical conflict".
And this is very simple to summarize cost of the US Navy "toys" against one rubber boat with explosives.
The tactics is like live organism..,make a selfdevelopment.
Who can predicted any new trick of muslim combattants??
It is too easy learn historical books and reports.., for example, with new technology build old WWII vintage "Neger" human torpedo can be a serious problem.

K.M.

nothing more than just wishful thinking what kind of cheap USS cole example are you talking about, what has that got to do with anything, it wasnt in time of war and when USN is full alert no living creature comes close to hitting them thats a fact they are just too damn good and have decades of experience

[Fulkrum]

Actually Iran has a head start before Japan. Japan has little to no natural resources, but has the world's second largest economy. Japan also had to start over after WW2. The Iran-Iraq war was harsh, but didn't cause anywhere close to the same damage as WW2.

It is unfortunate that Iraq isn't becoming another Japan.:worried2:

Iraq will be fine, eventually, if we stay the course and get the government truly on it's feet.

All reasoning for the war aside, Iraqis need to realise that the only way the Americans and their allies are going to leave is if they throw their differences aside and rebuild their homeland from it's numerous internal and external conflicts. If this can happen, Iraq will be back on her feet in no time. :)

And before we bring up U.S.S. Cole, that whole incident occured because of restrictive rules of engagment designed to prevent accidental engagment of civilians.

[PJPM]

Iraq will be fine, eventually, if we stay the course and get the government truly on it's feet.

All reasoning for the war aside, Iraqis need to realise that the only way the Americans and their allies are going to leave is if they throw their differences aside and rebuild their homeland from it's numerous internal and external conflicts. If this can happen, Iraq will be back on her feet in no time. :)

And before we bring up U.S.S. Cole, that whole incident occured because of restrictive rules of engagment designed to prevent accidental engagment of civilians.

i think iraqis will relize the only way US and british are going to leave is unite and fight back.