Stealth Aircraft

[Arman]

Ok, what are the things we can use against the stealth aircraft....

[knight]

Ok, what are the things we can use against the stealth aircraft....

LLOOOOOOLL

[Arman]

LLOOOOOOLL
Whats so funny? You can not give an educated reply?

[hurdy]

Russia claims the S-400 can take down stealth aircraft but who knows..

[SackAssassin]

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[j3 man]

Russia claims the S-400 can take down stealth aircraft but who knows..


And it has been proven in Serbia.

[admin]

And it has been proven in Serbia.

True, although America tries furiously to deny it!

[hurdy]

And it has been proven in Serbia.

NATO said it was pure luck because the F117 has been making runs on the same path for 2 days or so while Serbia says it was because of their Russian radar

[j3 man]

On the fourth night of the air war, March 27, around 8:45 in the evening an F-117 was heading back to base after dropping at least one of its 2,000-pound, laser-guided bombs on a target near heavily defended Belgrade. Suddenly, with little or no warning, an SA-3 missile flying at three times the speed of sound and guided by an improvised network of Serbian radars, exploded in a blast of shell fragments a fewft from the plane, slamming it into an uncontrolled dive. The missile's 130 lb warhead is designed to detonate when it gets within 20 ft of its target. Stunned by the explosion, the pilot struggled against what he said approached pressure five times the force of gravity to yank the handles below his seat to eject from the crippled warplane.

The SA-3 surface-to-air missile that brought down the F-117 was probably not used in a normal fashion, with its operators relying on their own local radars to detect the target leaving them vulnerable to anti-radiation missiles. Spotters in Serbia, and perhaps in Bosnia and along the Montenegrin coast, may have patched together enough quick glimpses of the warplane from scattered radars to track the elusive aircraft, however briefly, and to fire a missile at it from a battery near Belgrade.

Despite the extremely small radar signature of the plane a great amount of time goes into routing the flight path of each stealth fighter to minimize its exposure to known threats such as surface-to-air missile batteries and radar. At certain points in a mission however the stealth fighter can become quite visible to enemy radar. Turning suddenly at low altitudes can reflect radar waves right back to the radars that sent them. The most visible and risky moments are when the bomb bay door is open - briefly making the plane un-stealthy.

Military officials suspect that Serbian spotters, perhaps starting with agents in Italy watching the F-117's take off, were able to determine a time table of how long it took the planes took to cross the Adriatic and from there on to Belgrade. With this information Serbian radar operators had a better sense of when and where to watch for the plane. Once the aircraft's radar reflection crossed their screens all the radar operators would be alerted down the line. When the F-117 dropped one of its two laser guided bombs on a target near Belgrade this probably provided the final clues to fix its position and fire several missiles.

SA-3 'Goa' (S-125 Neva/Pechora)

TYPE: Short range, ground-based, solid propellant, theatre defence missile.

DEVELOPMENT: Development of the former USSR S-125 Neva air defence missile system, designated SA-3 'Goa' by NATO, began around 1956, at the Lavochkin OKB design bureau. It was designed to complement the SA-2 'Guideline' at low to medium altitudes and is considered by some to be a rough counterpart to the US HAWK system. The design of the SA-3's command guidance system benefitted greatly from earlier work on the SA-2, and the SA-3 system closely paralleled the SA-2D 'Guideline' Mod 3 with its associated 'Fan Song E' engagement radar. The propulsion system was the first Soviet air defence missile to use solid propellant motors in both boost and sustain stages.

DESCRIPTION: The SA-3 missile is a two stage weapon with a large solid propellant jettisonable tandem booster fitted with four large rectangular stabilising fins. One of the unusual features of the design is the configuration of these booster fins. Prior to launch, the fins are folded forward with the leading edge against the booster casing. At launch, they pivot back 90 degrees. The main body is cylindrical in shape with four clipped delta shaped wings with antennas (command and beacon) on the tips aft of mid-point, four small clipped delta moving control fins well forward on the nose taper and four rectangular fins at the rear.

[MiG 31]

NATO said it was pure luck because the F117 has been making runs on the same path for 2 days or so while Serbia says it was because of their Russian radar

there's no such thing as luck when it comes to stealth bro... Sure it was so called staelthy but the SAMS radar got a lock on it and brought it down... It doesn't matter If it's going the same path over and over again because It wasn't the SA-3 that got it it was It's radar... don't forget theres really no such thing as stealth because that only minimises your size on radar.

[Rich]

Lucky shot in Serbia. Besides were talking 1970's & '80s technology here. The B2 is far stealthier and the F-22 is going to have the radar signature of an insect. Even the B1b Lancer is hard to pin down on radar.

Within 15 years our entire air forces are going to be stealth. Including an invisible bomber that skips in and out the atmosphere at mach 10.

There just isnt a whole lot you can do against such weapons unless hope for a lucky shot.

[j3 man]

Yes propel a 30ft object 15000 ft into the air and hope that you get lucky to hit a bird flying at 400mph.

Lukcy shot indeed. :eek:

[sucker4gurls]

Lucky shot in Serbia. Besides were talking 1970's & '80s technology here. The B2 is far stealthier and the F-22 is going to have the radar signature of an insect. Even the B1b Lancer is hard to pin down on radar.

Within 15 years our entire air forces are going to be stealth. Including an invisible bomber that skips in and out the atmosphere at mach 10.

There just isnt a whole lot you can do against such weapons unless hope for a lucky shot.

I must say, Rich was right here. The F-117 has a radar signature the size of a large bird, and that is hard to locate on a radar screen. And yes, the F-117 was developed in the 1970's using 1970's technology and concepts. Both of which have considerably improved since then. The B2 is a product of the 1980's, and the F/A-22A and F-35 are products of the 1990's. All three of these aircraft have a radar signature the size of an insect or less.
The probability that a missile traveling at three times the speed of sound hitting a bird traveling at 500+ mph is very, very, very low. One would have much better luck saturating the air with lead.

[ed316]

it is well known that the serbs were getting help from Russia and they knew about NATO's common way point.

[TunerShark_loves_iranians]

you can throw rocks or you can um use a friggin radar ahhh hahaha