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Kaveh
11-27-2006, 12:58 PM
خليج فارس در احاطه كامل نيروي دريايي ارتش ايران است

خبرگزاري فارس: امير دريادار سجاد كوچكي با بيان اين*كه نيروي دريايي به لحاظ روحيه و توان دفاعي در موقعيت ممتاز و منحصر به فردي است كه توان پيروزي در يك جنگ فرسايشي را دارد، تصريح كرد: خليج فارس و تنگه هرمز در احاطه كامل نيروي دريايي ايران است.


به گزارش خبرنگار سياسي خبرگزاري فارس، امير دريادار سجاد كوچكي فرمانده نيروي دريايي ارتش جمهوري اسلامي ايران امروز دوشنبه در مصاحبه*اي مطبوعاتي با خبرنگاران، به مناسبت 7 آذر روز نيروي دريايي، به تشريح عملكرد اين نيرو و اهداف در دست اجراي آن در آينده پرداخت و به سؤالات آنان پاسخ گفت.
وي با بيان اين كه چهره هفتم آذر آن طور كه شايسته آن است به صورت كامل ترسيم نشده، تصريح كرد: انعكاس اين حماسه كار رسانه*هاست. ما خوب جنگيديم اما انعكاس خوب آن به عهده رسانه*هاست.
اميركوچكي افزود: اگر بگويم عمليات هفت آذر 1359، انقلاب اسلامي را نجات داد اغراق نكرده*ام.
فرمانده نيروي دريايي ارتش يادآور شد:براي اين كه چهره هفت آذر را خوب تبيين كنيم بايد مقداري به قبل از 7 آذر 59 برگرديم. كشوري كه تازه انقلاب آن پيروز شده بود با حمايت تمام امكانات استكبار درگيري*هاي مرزي را تجربه كرد.


http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8509060285

SS_Charlemagne
11-27-2006, 01:00 PM
خليج فارس در احاطه كامل نيروي دريايي ارتش ايران است

خبرگزاري فارس: امير دريادار سجاد كوچكي با بيان اين*كه نيروي دريايي به لحاظ روحيه و توان دفاعي در موقعيت ممتاز و منحصر به فردي است كه توان پيروزي در يك جنگ فرسايشي را دارد، تصريح كرد: خليج فارس و تنگه هرمز در احاطه كامل نيروي دريايي ايران است.


به گزارش خبرنگار سياسي خبرگزاري فارس، امير دريادار سجاد كوچكي فرمانده نيروي دريايي ارتش جمهوري اسلامي ايران امروز دوشنبه در مصاحبه*اي مطبوعاتي با خبرنگاران، به مناسبت 7 آذر روز نيروي دريايي، به تشريح عملكرد اين نيرو و اهداف در دست اجراي آن در آينده پرداخت و به سؤالات آنان پاسخ گفت.
وي با بيان اين كه چهره هفتم آذر آن طور كه شايسته آن است به صورت كامل ترسيم نشده، تصريح كرد: انعكاس اين حماسه كار رسانه*هاست. ما خوب جنگيديم اما انعكاس خوب آن به عهده رسانه*هاست.
اميركوچكي افزود: اگر بگويم عمليات هفت آذر 1359، انقلاب اسلامي را نجات داد اغراق نكرده*ام.
فرمانده نيروي دريايي ارتش يادآور شد:براي اين كه چهره هفت آذر را خوب تبيين كنيم بايد مقداري به قبل از 7 آذر 59 برگرديم. كشوري كه تازه انقلاب آن پيروز شده بود با حمايت تمام امكانات استكبار درگيري*هاي مرزي را تجربه كرد.


http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8509060285

Thanks a lot, friend :D... eemmmmm... ¿¿¿¿!!!!?????

Soroush
11-27-2006, 01:01 PM
They also explained Mowj destroyer will be ready to join IRIN in 6 months woot!.

Aimster
11-27-2006, 01:02 PM
they talk a lot

too bad they dont take pics a lot.

talk is talk. worthless without pics

Soroush
11-27-2006, 01:04 PM
they talk a lot

too bad they dont take pics a lot.

talk is talk. worthless without pics

They do release the pics but is not when you expect them too. this is just breaking news, I doubt they will rush it.

SS_Charlemagne
11-27-2006, 01:05 PM
They also explained Mowj destroyer will be ready to join IRIN in 6 months woot!.

Says the article what class of submarines? (sorry, I don't understand farsi or arab). In any case, good job.

Azarakash
11-27-2006, 05:30 PM
Are they nuclear submarines? Hope they are Akula Class! They are the best!!
Iran has already the new Sina or whatever and this now.

Janbaz
11-27-2006, 07:15 PM
Are they nuclear submarines? Hope they are Akula Class! They are the best!!
Iran has already the new Sina or whatever and this now.

lol.. No, it is a bit bigger than small submarine. It is in range of 300 to 500 ton. so it is small, and BTW no NUCLEAR submarine for a few more years for Iran.

jawwal
11-28-2006, 03:32 PM
خليج فارس در احاطه كامل نيروي دريايي ارتش ايران است

خبرگزاري فارس: امير دريادار سجاد كوچكي با بيان اين*كه نيروي دريايي به لحاظ روحيه و توان دفاعي در موقعيت ممتاز و منحصر به فردي است كه توان پيروزي در يك جنگ فرسايشي را دارد، تصريح كرد: خليج فارس و تنگه هرمز در احاطه كامل نيروي دريايي ايران است.


به گزارش خبرنگار سياسي خبرگزاري فارس، امير دريادار سجاد كوچكي فرمانده نيروي دريايي ارتش جمهوري اسلامي ايران امروز دوشنبه در مصاحبه*اي مطبوعاتي با خبرنگاران، به مناسبت 7 آذر روز نيروي دريايي، به تشريح عملكرد اين نيرو و اهداف در دست اجراي آن در آينده پرداخت و به سؤالات آنان پاسخ گفت.
وي با بيان اين كه چهره هفتم آذر آن طور كه شايسته آن است به صورت كامل ترسيم نشده، تصريح كرد: انعكاس اين حماسه كار رسانه*هاست. ما خوب جنگيديم اما انعكاس خوب آن به عهده رسانه*هاست.
اميركوچكي افزود: اگر بگويم عمليات هفت آذر 1359، انقلاب اسلامي را نجات داد اغراق نكرده*ام.
فرمانده نيروي دريايي ارتش يادآور شد:براي اين كه چهره هفت آذر را خوب تبيين كنيم بايد مقداري به قبل از 7 آذر 59 برگرديم. كشوري كه تازه انقلاب آن پيروز شده بود با حمايت تمام امكانات استكبار درگيري*هاي مرزي را تجربه كرد.


http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8509060285

:3eyes4: That would look interesting if i understood it :err2:

Karl Martel
11-29-2006, 05:44 AM
Any info in english??
Please??

K.M.

Capricorn Edge
12-15-2006, 10:59 AM
lol.. No, it is a bit bigger than small submarine. It is in range of 300 to 500 ton. so it is small, and BTW no NUCLEAR submarine for a few more years for Iran.

Do you know when will Iran build bigger subs weighing 2000 tons and above?

Janbaz
12-15-2006, 07:29 PM
Do you know when will Iran build bigger subs weighing 2000 tons and above?

You have to analyze this by asking yourself, does Iran at the moment or in the NEAR future (5 to 10 years from now) wants to extend its power beyond its immediate border? The answer to this question is a BIG NO. But as time passes and Iranian influence will extend beyond its border (10 to 20 years from now), then only at that time, it would be wise for Iran to invest heavily not just in Bigger Submarine class but also Nuclear powered Submarine & Aircraft Carrier, and many other things. So by the time the next generation of Iranian Fighters would be ready (5 to 10 years), I think the blue prints of those submarine classes and other things would be approved for development.
Right now they are gaining experience and learning from mistakes. I assure you that this discussion and many others have been discussed with top officials and Iranian Scientists in charge and even some preliminary research have been done and some are still on going.

Remember to project your power beyond your immediate border; you would need all kinds of other resources and development fields to come into action. For example one other area that Iran needs to develop before building bigger class submarine is its aerospace field and putting its satellite in orbit without outside help. That is one area needs heavy investment and development. There are many other sectors needed attention before building heavier and bigger submarines.

Another main sector is your economy and unemployment. There can't be any super power without strong economy. Iranian Economy at this time does not fit into equation.

crod
12-15-2006, 10:44 PM
خليج فارس در احاطه كامل نيروي دريايي ارتش ايران است

خبرگزاري فارس: امير دريادار سجاد كوچكي با بيان اين*كه نيروي دريايي به لحاظ روحيه و توان دفاعي در موقعيت ممتاز و منحصر به فردي است كه توان پيروزي در يك جنگ فرسايشي را دارد، تصريح كرد: خليج فارس و تنگه هرمز در احاطه كامل نيروي دريايي ايران است.


به گزارش خبرنگار سياسي خبرگزاري فارس، امير دريادار سجاد كوچكي فرمانده نيروي دريايي ارتش جمهوري اسلامي ايران امروز دوشنبه در مصاحبه*اي مطبوعاتي با خبرنگاران، به مناسبت 7 آذر روز نيروي دريايي، به تشريح عملكرد اين نيرو و اهداف در دست اجراي آن در آينده پرداخت و به سؤالات آنان پاسخ گفت.
وي با بيان اين كه چهره هفتم آذر آن طور كه شايسته آن است به صورت كامل ترسيم نشده، تصريح كرد: انعكاس اين حماسه كار رسانه*هاست. ما خوب جنگيديم اما انعكاس خوب آن به عهده رسانه*هاست.
اميركوچكي افزود: اگر بگويم عمليات هفت آذر 1359، انقلاب اسلامي را نجات داد اغراق نكرده*ام.
فرمانده نيروي دريايي ارتش يادآور شد:براي اين كه چهره هفت آذر را خوب تبيين كنيم بايد مقداري به قبل از 7 آذر 59 برگرديم. كشوري كه تازه انقلاب آن پيروز شده بود با حمايت تمام امكانات استكبار درگيري*هاي مرزي را تجربه كرد.


http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8509060285

well i m uch more informed now, thanks for the transaltion, friend??????? if i just spoke irish what would i contribute t this forum???? why you even bothered is beyond me.

azrael
12-15-2006, 11:00 PM
I don't believe iran will ever field nuclear submarines nor aircraft carriers. The largest iranian ship we will ever field are multi-helicopter vessels for anti-submarine warfare and this is the topic of heated debate. There is a very powerful clique of officers who have been pushing irn to develop a larger naval footprint, but their influence is wanning, their arguments no longer seem to sway the various nodes of the government.

Iran is looking to develop a means of power projection mainly spearheaded by the sepah. The two main routes are aersopace and global infiltration. The aerospace route advocates the development of irbms, transatmospheric skip missiles and developing various cost effective means of achieving a secured path to low earth orbit. This program is being heavily pushed by sepah because it gives them the ability one day to destroy 'hostile' base ships, airbases, arms depots, staging areas and various surface naval assets within 30 minutes of approval from the defence council. The other route is global infiltration , this is also being pushed by the sepah, as a means of striking at soft targets throughout the depth of the 'aggressor's global economic system. Large expenditures in iran's naval program do not offer any payoff in terms of force projection and simply may prove not to be survivable in the modern era. Iran will continue to adopt an asymmetric naval posture that will allow the state to disrupt enemy operations in the khaliji-phars in a manner that will prove survivable in the face of enemy counter strikes. Anticipate seeing a few legacy systems that are the result of the old navy clique but that will be an ending not a beginning. There is an old iranian proverb, when you turn around on your horse to see that you've taken a wrong turn, better to turn the horse around and go back rather than ride a horse arse forward.

IBSP
12-16-2006, 05:04 PM
Why should Iran spend tons of money on expensive Navy ships?
All they need are a few rusty old WWII tin cans to strap expolsive to and sail into a peacful harbor and blow themselfs up. Thats the new heroic way of fighting now isn't it?:wub2:

azrael
12-16-2006, 05:23 PM
replace wwii tin cans with chemical transport ship and you may be unto something :0

jawwal
12-16-2006, 07:26 PM
Big fleet of small iranians submarines would be great in the Gulf.

azrael
12-17-2006, 01:42 PM
Freedom GÜney Aerbaycan............

Man who lives in a glass house shouldn't pitch stones.

Capricorn Edge
12-17-2006, 11:46 PM
I don't think Iran will build nuclear subs. I just think that having a diesel sub with weight of 2000 tons and Air Independent Propulsion would enable Iran subs to carry more weapons and operate as far as the Indian Ocean to deter US carrier groups.

azrael
12-18-2006, 01:56 AM
The cost of keeping enough subs in the indian ocean to deter u.s. base ships would far exceed the cost of the 2 or 3 irbm batteries neccesary to achieve the same level of deterance. The shahab-3d cost usd <3 million per unit, can you imagine that. Consider if you will; a u.s. base ship costs usd billions, a kilo goes for around usd 200 million and cost roughly usd 30 million a year to maintain, but it doesn't take ten s-3d to disable a base ship. Thus for less than the annual service cost of a kilo, one can hold at risk billons of usd worth of u.s baseships in the Indian sea. It costs less than a million usd to maintain a battery of s-3d in the field per annum; conscript armies coupled with low cost of manufacture equals pure joy.

Ghauri
12-18-2006, 04:29 PM
Well, personally, I believe Iran should improve antiairccraft weapons as they are doing, replace those ancient IRAF aircracft with modern fighters as they somewhat have done acquire ICBMs and get around 10 submarines. It is crucial that Iran increase their number of submarines so as to be able to stalk and destroy U.S. ships before they reach the region. Submarines will help remove the burden from the Iranian Navy. Iran has already displayed their submarine crews abilities to stalk ambush aircraft carriers and US ships. They should be used primarily for that purpose. Iran has hordes of ballistic missiles and the extensive use of submarine launched cruise missiles are not needed so much as an antiship force. Plus, if Iran wants to use SLBMs instead of a more expensive ICBM, the submarine will already be an existing base for them.

crod
12-18-2006, 07:09 PM
i think it's madness to buy new aircraft as it will be destroyed very quickly. the money would be far better spent on a fully operational inclusive air defense system. it is pretty shoddy at the moment and requires vast investment which i appreciate they are doing but it needs to be fully integrated to be effective.

a couple more subs out at sea does have the potential to cause some trouble too.

Janbaz
12-18-2006, 10:47 PM
i think it's madness to buy new aircraft as it will be destroyed very quickly. the money would be far better spent on a fully operational inclusive air defense system. it is pretty shoddy at the moment and requires vast investment which i appreciate they are doing but it needs to be fully integrated to be effective.

a couple more subs out at sea does have the potential to cause some trouble too.

Well said, and they are doing it. They also need put up money to see how they can improve it.

Snauhi
12-20-2006, 01:44 AM
Well, personally, I believe Iran should improve antiaircraft weapons as they are doing, replace those ancient IRAF aircraft with modern fighters as they somewhat have done acquire ICBMs and get around 10 submarines. It is crucial that Iran increase their number of submarines so as to be able to stalk and destroy U.S. ships before they reach the region. Submarines will help remove the burden from the Iranian Navy. Iran has already displayed their submarine crews abilities to stalk ambush aircraft carriers and US ships. They should be used primarily for that purpose. Iran has hordes of ballistic missiles and the extensive use of submarine launched cruise missiles are not needed so much as an antiship force. Plus, if Iran wants to use SLBMs instead of a more expensive ICBM, the submarine will already be an existing base for them.

The thing is that submarines need to face other submarines... And Iranian oces have no chance against the US nuclear subs...

jawwal
12-20-2006, 03:29 AM
The thing is that submarines need to face other submarines... And Iranian oces have no chance against the US nuclear subs...

Why submarines have to face submarines? They only face when detected or forced to face each others. Iran does not have lots of submarines to choose this kind of fights. If the U.S tracked them, then maybe u see this kind of fight...

Snauhi
12-20-2006, 04:24 AM
Why submarines have to face submarines? They only face when detected or forced to face each others. Iran does not have lots of submarines to choose this kind of fights. If the U.S tracked them, then maybe u see this kind of fight...

So what use will Irans subs be in the conflict against USA? Expect for mining?

azrael
12-20-2006, 05:04 AM
the best way to sink a nuclear submaine is not another submarine, rather it's good slow asw planes with lots of expendable sonobuoys and a few airdropped torpedoes.

jawwal
12-20-2006, 06:05 PM
So what use will Irans subs be in the conflict against USA? Expect for mining?

How about some nice big juicy battleships, frigates, destroyers, and maybe a prized carrier???? That is their main job as submarines.

Ghauri
12-20-2006, 06:08 PM
i think it's madness to buy new aircraft as it will be destroyed very quickly. the money would be far better spent on a fully operational inclusive air defense system. it is pretty shoddy at the moment and requires vast investment which i appreciate they are doing but it needs to be fully integrated to be effective.

a couple more subs out at sea does have the potential to cause some trouble too. I still feel Iran needs more aircraft. They, as in any nation, need the air-cover for ground troops. There's no way that you can justifiably dispatch troops with no air-cover. Iran's airbases are safe. Very safe. It's not as easy to destroy grounded aircraft as you would think. The U.S. does it with bombing not missiles and that is why Saddam put up a good fight with aircraft in Desert Storm '91 and even lost 1 the 1st night. Iran monitors US aircraft very well and the US has made attempts but have been repelled by Iranian F-14s and MiG-29s. Especially, in the Eurasian Slavic states. That is very well why Iran has a net of radar defending the airfields and bases from missiles attacks. If aircraft are dispatched Iran will, as have before, send fighters to intercept them. But you must realize that the Tomahawk is a poor slow, 500 m.p.h. option against Iran's airbases as they are the easiest to intercept.
Iran's terrain is mountainous, therefore the bogus, absurd Israeli idea that them and the West can launch cruise missiles at Iranian sites is inapplicable.
They would fly above the land at well over 1,000 feet, the height of the mountains and get intercepted as soon as they are detected and targeted.
Crusie missiles are no threat but the airforce of the United States is somewhat a threat.
The thing is that submarines need to face other submarines... And Iranian oces have no chance against the US nuclear subs...
:wub2: This guy's brain ages at 12 years a month. A nuclear submarine's only advantage over a nuclear submarine is the length of time at sea it can spend. Everything else aren't superior at all. As Iranian submarines stalking US ships have proven. Nuclear is just how the ship is powered twit.
Why submarines have to face submarines? They only face when detected or forced to face each others. Iran does not have lots of submarines to choose this kind of fights. If the U.S tracked them, then maybe u see this kind of fight...This is why Iran should reserve their's for attacking U.S. transport ships. Submarines are actually difficult to detect. It's not as easy as some believe. But after Iran destroy a number of ships, THEN, they can alternately attack enemy bases. To me it's far smarter to destroy ships simontaneously on the other side of Africa and in the far oceans, then waiting for them to get near your shores.

IntellectualAnarchy
12-21-2006, 10:52 PM
Guys,

I have not seen much of any useful evidence posted here about anything. This is a sensitive subject, and arguing who's submarines are better is just another "my father beats your father" argument.

jawwal
12-22-2006, 01:47 AM
Guys,

I have not seen much of any useful evidence posted here about anything. This is a sensitive subject, and arguing who's submarines are better is just another "my father beats your father" argument.

Of course, the U.S submaries are better and hugely outnumber the iranians. Iran only have limited numbers of submarines. Their job would be to avoid detection and strike when possible, avoid any confrontation with the U.S submarines. The question is could they do that?

Janbaz
12-22-2006, 12:57 PM
Of course, the U.S submaries are better and hugely outnumber the iranians. Iran only have limited numbers of submarines. Their job would be to avoid detection and strike when possible, avoid any confrontation with the U.S submarines. The question is could they do that?

No they can't. Iranian Submarine are sitting dock for United State Submarines or anti Submarine vessels. With low depth of Persian Gulf, and basic capabilities of Iranian subs, Iranian subs are only good for sinking. This is the fact that all iranian officials know about it. In case of attack (US-Iran) those subs will not be operating because they are going to be (all of them) Memorial sites. But in case of war with Gulf Arab States, they are going to be as effective as any other weapons and perhaps more.

jawwal
12-22-2006, 03:12 PM
No they can't. Iranian Submarine are sitting dock for United State Submarines or anti Submarine vessels. With low depth of Persian Gulf, and basic capabilities of Iranian subs, Iranian subs are only good for sinking. This is the fact that all iranian officials know about it. In case of attack (US-Iran) those subs will not be operating because they are going to be (all of them) Memorial sites. But in case of war with Gulf Arab States, they are going to be as effective as any other weapons and perhaps more.

Why do u think the submarines iran has are sitting in their docks waiting to be bombed? On paper things look so easy and neat, but in reality it is a whole new ball game.

Janbaz
12-22-2006, 06:19 PM
Why do u think the submarines iran has are sitting in their docks waiting to be bombed? On paper things look so easy and neat, but in reality it is a whole new ball game.

Sitting Dock is an expression and does not mean sitting at DOCK. It means they are unlikly able to conflict any damage to USA naval ships. And rather they will be targets for USA naval power.

Iranian Subs lacks advance Technologies. Iranian experience is only a few years in underwater war fare, but US has more than a century under it's belt, United States used it's first submarine in US Civil war by north army aginst south army.

SS_Charlemagne
12-23-2006, 03:49 AM
Sitting Dock is an expression and does not mean sitting at DOCK. It means they are unlikly able to conflict any damage to USA naval ships. And rather they will be targets for USA naval power.

Iranian Subs lacks advance Technologies. Iranian experience is only a few years in underwater war fare, but US has more than a century under it's belt, United States used it's first submarine in US Civil war by north army aginst south army.

Sorry sir, I don't know very much, but I thought the Kilos are relatively good and modern submarines.

Snauhi
12-23-2006, 04:17 AM
Sorry sir, I don't know very much, but I thought the Kilos are relatively good and modern submarines.

Russians do not apply newest technologies to any of their export products and yes Kilos are ok.. But they are surly not a match to better armed and trained US navy

jawwal
12-23-2006, 05:32 AM
Sitting Dock is an expression and does not mean sitting at DOCK. It means they are unlikly able to conflict any damage to USA naval ships. And rather they will be targets for USA naval power.

Iranian Subs lacks advance Technologies. Iranian experience is only a few years in underwater war fare, but US has more than a century under it's belt, United States used it's first submarine in US Civil war by north army aginst south army.

:wub2: , of course i knew u meant sitting duck as expression, but they only would be sitting that way if they gathered in their docks, in the open sea it is very hard to track them accurately. Surely, the U.S is so superior in submarines field, but it does not mean an experienced iranian crews would not be able to inflict serious damages in battle, but it is all assumptions on both sides, only real showdown would tip the scales.

ArmAnt
01-21-2007, 10:29 AM
Iran should buy more submarines.

MEC_FORCES
01-21-2007, 06:10 PM
Anti ship low sea skimming supersonic cruise missiles delivered from aircraft over the horizon > subs.

IRGC
01-21-2007, 08:09 PM
The best way to catch up in terms of experience is to buy a good submarine from the Russians, and then do what we're good at, reverse engineer it and put it in a production line :).

Snauhi
01-22-2007, 08:01 AM
The best way to catch up in terms of experience is to buy a good submarine from the Russians, and then do what we're good at, reverse engineer it and put it in a production line :).

Yeah and thats all you need....

You cant just "copy" submarines... Iran havent even managed to copy F-14's.. And you want them to copy such thing as a submarine..

SS_Charlemagne
01-22-2007, 08:39 AM
Yeah and thats all you need....

You cant just "copy" submarines... Iran havent even managed to copy F-14's.. And you want them to copy such thing as a submarine..

Man...:roflmao3: sorry, but I'm dying laughing...:roflmao3: oh, what a stupidity (for my part I mean, not yours), but I pissed laughing... you're really funny.loooooooool ahahahaa

Snauhi
01-22-2007, 08:54 AM
Man...:roflmao3: sorry, but I'm dying laughing...:roflmao3: oh, what a stupidity (for my part I mean, not yours), but I pissed laughing... you're really funny.loooooooool ahahahaa

I dont get it? Please prove my point wrong...

SS_Charlemagne
01-22-2007, 08:58 AM
I dont get it? Please prove my point wrong...

No, don't take it seriously... I meant that your post was funny... I liked the way you said it, that's all...

SS_Charlemagne
01-22-2007, 09:01 AM
BTW, and being serious (sorry... I suffered a laugh attack) I don't think Iran is copying Russian subs, but building its own ones. About F-14... you know there are rumours about they are copying them... but I don't know if it's true. Perhaps they are applying some aspects of F-14 in new aircraft prototypes...

Snauhi
01-22-2007, 09:07 AM
BTW, and being serious (sorry... I suffered a laugh attack) I don't think Iran is copying Russian subs, but building its own ones. About F-14... you know there are rumours about they are copying them... but I don't know if it's true. Perhaps they are applying some aspects of F-14 in new aircraft prototypes...

I dont know why Iran wants to make their own submarines... Its not the thing that is cheap and i dont think that Iran has money to throw around.. Even a country like China with its enourmous resources copied Russian subs.


About the F-14.. I havent actully heard about Iran copiying them, but yeah i have heard some stories about using them in different "jets".

SS_Charlemagne
01-22-2007, 09:47 AM
I dont know why Iran wants to make their own submarines... Its not the thing that is cheap and i dont think that Iran has money to throw around.. Even a country like China with its enourmous resources copied Russian subs.


Perhaps... but they're making them! :biggrin1:

PERSPOLIS
02-18-2007, 10:59 PM
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theSouthwon
02-24-2007, 05:07 AM
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Azarakash
02-24-2007, 05:32 PM
I don't believe iran will ever field nuclear submarines nor aircraft carriers. The largest iranian ship we will ever field are multi-helicopter vessels for anti-submarine warfare and this is the topic of heated debate. There is a very powerful clique of officers who have been pushing irn to develop a larger naval footprint. Iran shouldn't acquire aircraft carriers. But ideally they should have a decent sub fleet if they want to hurt their enemies in a descrete, stealthy way. A submarine equipped with like 65 missiles and a good number of submarines would give a naval BM/CM force that would prove valuable to defending destroyers, offenses as well as close-range surprise strikes.

/IIran is looking to develop a means of power projection mainly spearheaded by the sepah. The two main routes are aersopace and global infiltration. The aerospace route advocates the development of irbms, transatmospheric skip missiles and developing various cost effective means of achieving a secured path to low earth orbit.Sounds pretty good. Iran sounds like a junior China.