Iran Artillery

[Sajjad]

I am wondering, what are thoughts on artillery consturucted by Iran? Janbaz, maybe you are knowing most likely well on them. But all can say their thoughts here :)


http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7295/155mmcannonhm44ry5.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8813/iranianmadeartilleryparen9.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2640/raad1ye1.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4307/iranian122mmhowitzerps6.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3004/raad2sm7.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9599/unknownartillerytt7.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Raad-1.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/persiansun84/Military/ph92.jpg

[khan]

iran today build some artillery pieces depending on american and russian built designs such as american SP M-109 (155mm) and russian SP 2S1 (122mm)

[Tacitus]

to my knowlage Iran produces the following, not including a full range of morters.
106mm recoilless rifle, often found mounted on jeep size vehicles. Reported to be in production after many years.
155mm artillery both mounted on armed carrier and towed by trucks. This is a copy of an American weapon. Both versions reported to be in production at this time. This is Iran's best artillery weapon.
122mm artillery, both in armored mobile version and towed version. The towed version has been long in production. This is a copy of a Soviet weapon.
107mm RR. This is an old Soviet era recoilless rifle which is reported to be still in production.
25mm anti air craft gun of Soviet era is also in production, if you want to count this as artillery.

[Sajjad]

:) Good knowledge tacitus. I have many many pictures I have founds off the internet of these type of artillery and rifle, etc. I will post them here now.

[Janbaz]

I have not seen them on any manuvers yet. Just like Zulfaghar Tank, I belive these Raad I, and Raad II are still in Test phase. They may have debug them for a while, but I have not seen them on any manuvers.

On other type of artillery that are in production in Iran, are as good as (if not better) of the US or Soviet Artillery. There is nothing to it and it is not a sophisticated military hardware. The only thing that needs attention is the gun composite material. Since the Iron and/or Steel won't do it alone. The gun barrol tempreture will exceed 1800 degree during rapid fire. back in Pahlavi era, the iranian G3 Guns (the ones that were produced in Iran) had a problem with over heating. This problem have been resolved by now and Iranian guns and Artillery are as good as western or eastern counter parts.

[Sajjad]

I have not seen them on any manuvers yet. Just like Zulfaghar Tank, I belive these Raad I, and Raad II are still in Test phase. They may have debug them for a while, but I have not seen them on any manuvers.

On other type of artillery that are in production in Iran, are as good as (if not better) of the US or Soviet Artillery. There is nothing to it and it is not a sophisticated military hardware. The only thing that needs attention is the gun composite material. Since the Iron and/or Steel won't do it alone. The gun barrol tempreture will exceed 1800 degree during rapid fire. back in Pahlavi era, the iranian G3 Guns (the ones that were produced in Iran) had a problem with over heating. This problem have been resolved by now and Iranian guns and Artillery are as good as western or eastern counter parts.

Good news mr.janbaz. Here is picture of artillery during maneuver friend :)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/persiansun84/Military/ph92.jpg

[azrael]

There are two programs which are driven by strong personalites in iran; one is the far naval program and the other is the mechanized warfare program. Both do not have braod support as is usual amongst programs in the iranian military. The self proppeled artillery aspect of the mechanized program is meant to support fast moving armoured formations composed of tanks , tank destroyers and apcs. This type of warfare is considered obselete by many , but some have a "romantic" attachment to this typeof warfare, just like the mamelukes held on to their tradition of calvary warfare even after musket wielding infantry had become ascendent.


The best artillery piece in iran is the m56 clone we make; it's rugged , reliable and can be towed by a gasoline powered car if need be. For mountain and urban warfare it is hard to exceed.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/M101-105mm-howitzer-camp-pendleton-20050326.jpg

For shorter range wire guided rockets reinforced with 81mm and 120mm mortars are best.
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http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6425/rad0gm6ar.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7556/toophan7dw3gx.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/artillery/mortars/soltam_120mm_k-5_k-6/120mm_2.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/artillery/mortars/soltam_120mm_k-5_k-6/120mm.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3471/120mmnortarlongbarrel2bo.jpg

For longer range guided rockets, armed uav's and saturation bombardment rockets are better than tube artillery.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4079/fadjr39wh.jpg

[khan]

Good news mr.janbaz. Here is picture of artillery during maneuver friend :)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/persiansun84/Military/ph92.jpg

this is american build M-109 155mm the same as follows :
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[azrael]

this is american build M-109 155mm the same as follows :
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this is the correct picture of the iranian 155mm self-propelled gun howitzer.

[khan]

this is the correct picture of the iranian 155mm self-propelled gun howitzer.

ok, but the subject was that we did not see it in any maneuvers

[ThePuss]

On other type of artillery that are in production in Iran, are as good as (if not better) of the US or Soviet Artillery. .
Have you any proof that it is better or is it another made in Iran can't be beaten assumption?
Lets look at the facts, Iran is copying US and Soviet designs from the cold war. Can you inform us of how Iran has made these better so that they now supercede current designs?
Jez the ATGM are Sagger and Tow copies, no harm in that but don't try to make out they are leading edge tech.

[Sajjad]

Have you any proof that it is better or is it another made in Iran can't be beaten assumption?
Lets look at the facts, Iran is copying US and Soviet designs from the cold war. Can you inform us of how Iran has made these better so that they now supercede current designs?
Jez the ATGM are Sagger and Tow copies, no harm in that but don't try to make out they are leading edge tech.

He not saying this friend. I am thinking he is meaning that Iran copy, produce copies, and from there, improve upon them. therefores---> mean better.

[Sajjad]

ok, but the subject was that we did not see it in any maneuvers

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/persiansun84/Military/ph92.jpg

[ThePuss]

He not saying this friend. I am thinking he is meaning that Iran copy, produce copies, and from there, improve upon them. therefores---> mean better.
Okay how do they improve on a design that is 70's based?
What gets to me is the assumption that because it is Iran made it must be better. If it is so good it is time Iran started selling its hardware around the world, that is the true test of how effective/reliable/cost effective it really is.

[Sajjad]

Okay how do they improve on a design that is 70's based?
What gets to me is the assumption that because it is Iran made it must be better. If it is so good it is time Iran started selling its hardware around the world, that is the true test of how effective/reliable/cost effective it really is.

1. I have never said because Iran make it is better friend.

2. Iran does sell hardwares to many country.

3. Because machine is old, is not meaning you are not having the ability for improving it. Think about simple sistuation like here: Old 70s car. Rusty, dirtey, broken. Create new body, rebuild to brand new engines, new exhaustion systems, upgrades transmissions, carborators, new brakes system. This is on small scales, one also have ability to maintains this for military equipments as well.

[Janbaz]

Okay how do they improve on a design that is 70's based?
What gets to me is the assumption that because it is Iran made it must be better. If it is so good it is time Iran started selling its hardware around the world, that is the true test of how effective/reliable/cost effective it really is.

To say it is better, is not true. To say it is better than the one that was built by united state and/or Russia which delivered to Iran is something else.
So Iranian copies are better than those built by US/Russia that were delivered to Iran.
In case of heavy GUNS not much improvment can be done except in accrucy and longer life.

In case of fighters, then alot can be done but remember, they say they are better than the one United State delivered to Iran, that does not mean it is better than the one United state have in it's possesions.

Take care

[Jonathan M. Finegold]

Some photographs of the RAAD (Thunder 1 & Thunder 2)

http://pdfdirectory.modernwarstudies.net/images/artillery/Iran/Thunder%201%202.jpg (http://www.modernwarstudies.net)

http://pdfdirectory.modernwarstudies.net/images/artillery/Iran/Thunder%202.jpg (http://www.modernwarstudies.net)

[azrael]

Here's another raad 122mm picture:
http://network54.com/Realm/kickarse/lighttank.jpg

[Spartacus]

In my opinion Iran is following the correct path. If you want to be truly independent in our world, you must rely in indigenous technology (newly developed or reverse engineered).