Iranian submarine

[reza12]

The one Iran is building it self looked a bit like this:
http://www.strange-mecha.com/ship/M-Sub/sang-o.JPG
could someone post the pics from the video perhaps?

[Aimster]

poor submarine will be owned

[hurdy]

poor submarine will be owned

**SLAP**, snap out of it!

[ed316]

Have you seen the new Iranian Flag?
A white star on a white background!

[Aimster]

**SLAP**, snap out of it!

But it is true

no chance in hell this submarine has a chance against U.S Subs

This looks like something out of world war 2

[ed316]

that **** looks like ww2 japanese mini sub

[scm77]

Here is the launching of the new Iranian submarine.

http://tinypic.com/jpacmu.jpg

[user0000]

That is only similar to Ghadir in design. Ghadir is more of a cross between a Kilo and a Midget. And it is a very good asset.

[hurdy]

But it is true

no chance in hell this submarine has a chance against U.S Subs

This looks like something out of world war 2

The one pictured above is the NK Sang-o class.
Who said Iranian subs are going to engage the US navy anyway?
There is more than one way to hurt the 800-pound gorilla :D

[user0000]

LOL. Very true.

[mo*]

Guys watch out!!!..... that sub could be an ELEMENT OF SURPRISE.

[user0000]

Mine-laying, mini-subs, light attack craft, etc. are all good assets. In the area of naval warfare, we are ready and able. Our conventional Navy, sadly, is no match for USN (although we could crush the likes of Bahrain, Kuwait, and UAE in a hearbeat), so we must use asymmetrical tactics.

[Kilo877]

Here is the launching of the new Iranian submarine.

http://tinypic.com/jpacmu.jpg
LOL but at least the Iranians can build a submarine themselves, aren't the Israeli subs built by the Germans (now thats what I call Ironic!).

[mo*]

LOL but at least the Iranians can build a submarine themselves, aren't the Israeli subs built by the Germans (now thats what I call Ironic!).

Thats true, Israel totally rely on the German dolphin type sub. iran could atleast be proud of themselves.

[Pure_sunni]

[quote=scm77]Here is the launching of the new Iranian submarine.

LOL!

[isr agent]

ROFL @ the camel.... i mean sub :D

[Da Sha]

The one Iran is building it self looked a bit like this:
http://www.strange-mecha.com/ship/M-Sub/sang-o.JPG
could someone post the pics from the video perhaps?


Drug dealers in Colombia made better looking subs than that

[hurdy]

The one Iran is building it self looked a bit like this:
http://www.strange-mecha.com/ship/M-Sub/sang-o.JPG
could someone post the pics from the video perhaps?

Where did you get this info btw?

[Highsky]

Iran has 3 submarines made in Russia :
Submarine Kilo class 877EKM

Number Name Year Homeport Notes
901 Tareq 1992 Bandar Abbas
902 Noor 1993 Bandar Abbas
903 Yunes 1997 Bandar Abbas
Displacement: 3,076 tons full load
Dimensions: 74.3 x 10 x 6.6 meters (243.5 x 33 x 21.5 feet)
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 3 diesels, 5,900 shp, 17 knots
Crew: 53
Sonar: MGK-400 Rubicon LF suite, Mouse Roar HF active
Armament: 6 21 inch torpedo tubes (18 torpedoes)
Soviet built for export. These boats are reported to have
serious operational difficulties

Moreover, Kommersant found out that Rosoboronexport is negotiating with Iran about repair and modernization of Iranian submarines. Iran has three submarines of Project 877EKM that were supplied by Russia in 1992 (Russian name of the sub B-219, Iranian—901 Tareq), in June 1993 (B-224, 902 Noor) and in November 1996 (B-175, 903 Yunes). It was expected that all the major components that already exceeded their life expectancy will be replaced. Also, the new anti-ship missile complex Club-S with the target distance of 200 km will be installed on these subs. The refurbishing of each sub would be done under the contract which costs anywhere from $80 to $90 million. Originally it was expected that the refurbishing will be done in Zvezdochka Co (Severo-Dvinsk) but Admiralty Shipyards are also fighting for the contract.
Picture 877EKM :

[4X-IL]

Maybe we are just smarter and know to waste our money correctly, and not waste it on home made submarines that wont work as the good german subs.

I have no doubt that 1 israeli sub can sink all iranian subs alone.

[Highsky]

Maybe we are just smarter and know to waste our money correctly, and not waste it on home made submarines that wont work as the good german subs.

I have no doubt that 1 israeli sub can sink all iranian subs alone.

hehe i know 1 Israeli submarine can sink all Iranian subs
1 " F 16 " hit all " aircrafts
1 " Missile " hit all " targets
1 " soldier " kill all " soldiers

give me an answer plz, what are thinking that You are? ;)

[mo*]

hehe i know 1 Israeli submarine can sink all Iranian subs
1 " F 16 " hit all " aircrafts
1 " Missile " hit all " targets
1 " soldier " kill all " soldiers

give me an answer plz, what are thinking that You are? ;)


Haaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaa:D , what in the name of hell do u think is taking them too long to attack iran.1 F16, 1 missile, 1 soldier... please give us a break u probably watch too much james bond movies. u think we americans don't know our situation...attacking iran would be the final nail in the coffin of our falling empire. our people are homeless in the streets we don't have the money to do the israeli **** any more...thanx.

[Sepah]

I think the mods should step up their game and start banning people much more and faster. specially by locking the IP address so they cant return sign up as another user and trash this forum again with their immaturity, stupidity, and distructive behaviours.

yezareh be in kos khola dars yad bedin va az ghodratetoon estefadeh konin :)

na injuri
http://www.iranian.com/Satire/Cartoon/2006/January/Images/bilakh.jpg

hala begu
http://www.iranian.com/Satire/Cartoon/2006/January/Images/weight.jpg

[Highsky]

Haaaahaaaaaaaahaaaaaa:D , what in the name of hell do u think is taking them too long to attack iran.1 F16, 1 missile, 1 soldier... please give us a break u probably watch too much james bond movies. u think we americans don't know or situation...attacking iran would be the final nail in the coffin of our falling empire. our people are homeless in the streets we don't have the money to do the israeli **** any more...thanx.

The Israeli's in this forum are so proud of their stuff, they want show that they can do what they want everywhere and against every nation.;)

[4X-IL]

It is hard to except the fact that there is someone ( alot of somes ) better than you ah...
I can understand that
no one like to hear his country is weak and can't actually do anything to her enemies.

"""""""
hehe i know 1 Israeli submarine can sink all Iranian subs
1 " F 16 " hit all " aircrafts
1 " Missile " hit all " targets
1 " soldier " kill all " soldiers
""""

This is quite correct.

[Aimster]

It is hard to except the fact that there is someone ( alot of somes ) better than you ah...
I can understand that
no one like to hear his country is weak and can't actually do anything to her enemies.

"""""""
hehe i know 1 Israeli submarine can sink all Iranian subs
1 " F 16 " hit all " aircrafts
1 " Missile " hit all " targets
1 " soldier " kill all " soldiers
""""

This is quite correct.

Why are you on this board?

Another troll?

Israel cannot do squat to Iran.
This is a fact.

You have failed to prove how Israel is superior to Iran. Buying equipment does not make one superior. Anyone can buy equipment.

[4X-IL]

Why are you on this board?

Another troll?

Israel cannot do squat to Iran.
This is a fact.

You have failed to prove how Israel is superior to Iran. Buying equipment does not make one superior. Anyone can buy equipment.


OMG!!!
A troll?!!?
rofl what a level of curses you got there.

And yes, evreyone can by equipment, evreyone except of Iran :)
Ah no i forgot
Iran can buy F16's F15's and Nuclear subs at any time she wants to.
The best you can buy is models
I dunno if the someone will even let you buy models, maybe you'll try to copy them.

[reza12]

Isreal has very powerfull like mouse that try to eat elephent :D :p

[4X-IL]

Isreal has very powerfull like mouse that try to eat elephent :D :p


Why would a mouse want to eat an elephent? o_O
And if the mouse is powerfull than the elephent i guess the side wont change a thing

[korosh_kabir]

OMG!!!
A troll?!!?
rofl what a level of curses you got there.

And yes, evreyone can by equipment, evreyone except of Iran :)
Ah no i forgot
Iran can buy F16's F15's and Nuclear subs at any time she wants to.
The best you can buy is models
I dunno if the someone will even let you buy models, maybe you'll try to copy them.
no one know what iran have, and it is not a must to have americans stuff, we can provide are requierment from other ways. and by the way i think copy is much better then buy it. the japanes copy much things and after a time they improve it.

[reza12]

You say that Isreal can destroyed all submarins of Iran pliz study in equipments of air defence & fighters & destroyers of iran's army & sepaheh Pasdaran and delta force & intelegent services & 7000000 paramilitery force to find meny resaen of my means.:)

[Highsky]

It is hard to except the fact that there is someone ( alot of somes ) better than you ah...
I can understand that
no one like to hear his country is weak and can't actually do anything to her enemies.

"""""""
hehe i know 1 Israeli submarine can sink all Iranian subs
1 " F 16 " hit all " aircrafts
1 " Missile " hit all " targets
1 " soldier " kill all " soldiers
""""

This is quite correct.

Nice dreaming hehe .

[4X-IL]

you wished it was one...

[korosh_kabir]

you wished it was one...
each nation has their dreamer and their fanatics.

[Highsky]

Russian submarines Kilo class like the Iranian Submarines

877EKM Kilo Class Russian made sub

[4X-IL]

oh great
atlist it doesn't looks like **** only from the outside

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kilo877/images/kilo877_4.jpg

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kilo877/images/kilo877_5.jpg


and for 1 second i even thoght it was a digital sub

[Da Sha]

That thing is a piece of ****.

[Highsky]

Iranian navy Submarine

[mo*]

guys that sub marine is a killer. the inside or the outside doesn't matter, what matters is what it can do.

[4X-IL]

guys that sub marine is a killer. the inside or the outside doesn't matter, what matters is what it can do.


well maybe
but i think i still rather be in here instead

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/dolphin/dolphin3b.jpg

[Aimster]

well maybe
but i think i still rather be in here instead

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/dolphin/dolphin3b.jpg

Im sorry that you like to say negative things about everything Iran has or makes.

It seems that your purpose here is to try to make Iran look bad. You arent here to learn anything but rather to be act like you are twelve.

You have no idea what the inside of Iran's submarine looks like. Why dont you stfu?

[4X-IL]

Im sorry that you like to say negative things about everything Iran has or makes.

It seems that your purpose here is to try to make Iran look bad. You arent here to learn anything but rather to be act like you are twelve.

You have no idea what the inside of Iran's submarine looks like. Why dont you stfu?


Look at the pictures few posts above
that how iranian submarine looks from the inside, except that.

[hurdy]

So now fashion is gonna win wars?

[4X-IL]

So now fashion is gonna win wars?


did i said anything about the Killo's abillitys? no, but the 877 is still an old sub.

[reza12]

pix from kilo submarin inside:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=23026

[reza12]

877EKM Kilo :
http://www.subnetitalia.it/kilodrawrusso.jpg

[4X-IL]

I knew that the 60's computer will get control on the world sometime!

[Kilo877]

4X-IL those pictures of the inside of a Kilo you posted are from an older Indian Kilo sub they were taken in the late 80s I think and Russian technology has moved on a lot since then as you can see from the pictures from inside the Iranian Kilo subs which were built in the mid 90s.

Also i wouldn't say the Iranian subs are crap as they are very quiet subs and if crewed by experienced competent men and fitted with the Klub Anti ship cruise missile they could pose a big threat to any US vessels which come to close to the Iranian coast.

[4X-IL]

lol dude i thought you understood i'm just kidding.

this thread got out from seriously long time ago, i'm just continueing with it.

[4X-IL]

And 1 more thing
THIS IS the Kilo 877EKM Sub from the inside, THIS IS WHAT IRAN HAVE
you can argue with that as much as you want, this is the reallity.


http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/fleet/russian/submarine/pl636-09.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/fleet/russian/submarine/pl636-07.jpg

and the pictures that i posted above as well.

[hurdy]

And 1 more thing
THIS IS the Kilo 877EKM Sub from the inside, THIS IS WHAT IRAN HAVE
you can argue with that as much as you want, this is the reallity.


http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/fleet/russian/submarine/pl636-09.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/fleet/russian/submarine/pl636-07.jpg

and the pictures that i posted above as well.

Nope, its not the reality because you've never seen the inside of an Iranian kilo sub..
Just like every other country that exports military hardware they adjust it to the customer's needs, and I remember reading somewhere that these kilo's are in need of an overhaul and are getting it soon because of the duration they have been in service.

[Highsky]

SSK KILO CLASS (TYPE 877EKM) ATTACK SUBMARINE, RUSSIA
The Russian Kilo Class submarine first entered service in the early 1980's. It was designed by the Rubin Central Maritime Design Bureau, St Petersburg. Subsequent developments have led to the current production versions, the Type 877EKM and most recently, Type 636. The submarines are constructed at the Admiralty Shipyard in St Petersburg. 24 Kilo Class submarines are in service in the Russian Navy (most of the older designs). They have also been exported to Iran, China, India, Poland, Romania and Algeria. China has two Type 877EKM, Iran has three Type 877EKM and India has ten Type 877EKM (Sindughosh Class). The Type 877EKM is designed for anti-submarine (ASW) and anti-surface ship (ASuW) warfare.

COMBAT SYSTEM

The combat information system consists of a multi-purpose MVU-110EM computer which allows for five targets to be tracked simultaneously, two automatically and three manually. Course, position and speed data from the Andoga navigation system is also fed into the combat data system.

TORPEDOES

The Type 877EKM has six 533mm torpedo tubes and carries 18 heavyweight torpedoes (six in the tubes and twelve on the racks), with an automatic rapid loader. Two targets can be engaged simultaneously.

Two of the launch tubes can fire the TEST-71MKE TV electric homing torpedo which has active sonar homing system with TV guidance which allows the operator to manually switch to an alternative target, and can manoeuvre in two axes. It weighs 1,820kg with a 205kg explosive charge. The submarine is also fitted with UGST wake-homing torpedoes. This torpedo is weighs 2,200kg with 200kg explosive charge. It has a range of up to 40km, and a depth of search of up to 500m.

The tubes are also capable of deploying 24 mines.

MISSILES

The submarine has a launcher for eight Strela-3 or Igla surface-to-air missiles. These missiles are manufactured by the Fakel Design Bureau, Kaliningrad. Strela-3 (NATO Designation SA-N-8 Gremlin) has a cooled infrared seeker and 2kg warhead. Maximum range is 6km. Igla (NATO designation SA-N-10 Gimlet) is also infrared-guided but heavier, with a maximum range of 5km and speed of Mach 1.65.

The Indian vessels are to be fitted with the Novator 3M-54E1 anti-ship missile as part of the Club-S missile system. Range is 220km with 450kg high explosive warhead.

COUNTERMEASURES

Countermeasures include electronic support measures (ESM), radar warning receiver and direction-finder.

SENSORS

Type 877EKM can be fitted with the MGK-400 sonar, which provides echo target ranging, detection of active sonar signals and underwater sound communication. It has a dual channel system to reduce error and improve direction-finding. It has a frequency indicator to improve target discrimination.

The 877EKM has an active radar with target separation system.

PROPULSION

The Type 877EKM submarine is powered by diesel-electric propulsion with two 1000kW diesel generators and one 5,500hp propulsion motor. These are produced by Elektrosila and Kolomensky Zavod of Russia. It also has 190hp motor for economic running and two 102hp standby propulsion systems. It has four seven-blade fixed-pitch propellers

[reza12]

http://www.star.ru/fotocor2.JPG
http://www.ckb-rubin.ru/eng/project/submarine/noatompl/img/15.jpg

[ArmAnt]

Salem berev

[arteshi]

Why are you on this board?

Another troll?

Israel cannot do squat to Iran.
This is a fact.

You have failed to prove how Israel is superior to Iran. Buying equipment does not make one superior. Anyone can buy equipment.

I don't know what you are talking about, as a matter of fact Israeli products are sold everywhere and even in the US military, Israel is a big exporter of medium to high tech weapons. I am not sure, but the Israelis can make their own sub, I thing they actually built their older ones, but why spend money for something you get free of charge?

[arteshi]

no one know what iran have, and it is not a must to have americans stuff, we can provide are requierment from other ways. and by the way i think copy is much better then buy it. the japanes copy much things and after a time they improve it.
That's true, the Iranians are good at copying stuff, at least I heard that they are. It is less expensive to build your own than having to import systems. I think only a few states in the region can say that they can manufacture systems. I am not well informed on the Iranian defence industries, but If they actually manufacture what they say they do then It's a nice accomplishment considering the level of isolation that we've forced them into.
However aside from building 1960's era stuff, I have not seen any new stuff out of Iran. I would like to know what is the capabilities of the Iranian industry and what is in the future programs. :)

[Janbaz]

When you want to built something, you start from small, Medium and then full scale. This is what Iran is doing now, gaining experience and learning on every type of conventional weapons. This is not a one year or 10 years project, this is what the Iranian doctorine is, which is working and is in place.
Some stuff that they are building are belong in 60's and 70's era, and some stuff that they used to build them from 60's and 70's era, are now advance and present technology and in very limited numbers are much higher technology than the western counter part (the numbers in this catagory are small but increasing on monthly rate). I'm proud of what Iranian have been able to do for past 27 years under Sanctions from western countries.

Also remember that, it was Iranian built weapons that slowed and brought the Yougoslavian army to halt in Bosnia and not the western weapons.

Give it 15 to 20 years, then we talk again. Iranians didn't built anything before 1980 (sorry they were manufacturing shells for some limited type of hand guns, shut guns and rifles and Iranian G3) but we took small baby steps in 80's then bigger steps in 90's and they are taking much bigger steps now than before, and all these are happening with Sanctions in place.
Those baby steps paid off for Iranians to depend on their own eventhough the technology that they were building were outdated. At the moment "YES", the US and Israel have much more advance and better weapons, but Iranians will to fight are much higher than US or Israeli's, because of the haterate that have been brewing for past 50+ years and it will continue.

During the Reza S*H*I*T* Ahmaghi (some could of called him Reza shah Pahlavi) Iranian goverment was a good friend of Israel, but believe me, every ordinary iranian people hated Israel. This haterate will never, ever going to go away.

But for now, yes you have the upper hand in your Temp land. :rolleyes: :D :D :rolleyes:

[Janbaz]

Did any one post today's messange regarding the New Iranian Nahang Submarine? If yes, I appologize for reposting, if not, then here is the News that was broadcasted:

Iran’s armed forces have deployed a new locally-built submarine in Gulf waters, state television reported March 7.
The vessel is named the Nahang, meaning whale, and was “built by specialists in the Iranian defense ministry and has the capability to carry multipurpose weapons for different missions,” Rear Admiral Sajjad Kouchaki said.
”The submarine is fully adapted to the Persian Gulf,” he said, adding that the Iranian navy was pursuing a policy of deterrence in the strategic waters — home to the world’s largest oil reserves.
No further details on the submarine were given.
Last May state media announced Iran had begun producing its first locally-built submarine. At the time it was called the Ghadir, named after a Shiite religious holiday.
According to foreign military experts, Iran’s inventory of submarines patrolling Gulf waters includes up to six Russian-built SSK or SSI Kilo-class diesel submarines.
In recent months Israel has been dangling the threat of pre-emptive action to stop Iran’s disputed nuclear energy program — seen as a mask for weapons development.
The United States has also refused to rule out military action against Iran.

[hammerfast]

I have no doubt that 1 israeli sub can sink all iranian subs alone.
u mean 1 jew-boat ALONE , can sink all irani subs. right?

[hammerfast]

give me an answer plz, what are thinking that You are? ;)
chosen people

[max]

chosen people

What for ?

[hammerfast]

What for ?
ask them...............

[arteshi]

When you want to built something, you start from small, Medium and then full scale. This is what Iran is doing now, gaining experience and learning on every type of conventional weapons. This is not a one year or 10 years project, this is what the Iranian doctorine is, which is working and is in place.
Some stuff that they are building are belong in 60's and 70's era, and some stuff that they used to build them from 60's and 70's era, are now advance and present technology and in very limited numbers are much higher technology than the western counter part (the numbers in this catagory are small but increasing on monthly rate). I'm proud of what Iranian have been able to do for past 27 years under Sanctions from western countries.

Also remember that, it was Iranian built weapons that slowed and brought the Yougoslavian army to halt in Bosnia and not the western weapons.

Give it 15 to 20 years, then we talk again. Iranians didn't built anything before 1980 (sorry they were manufacturing shells for some limited type of hand guns, shut guns and rifles and Iranian G3) but we took small baby steps in 80's then bigger steps in 90's and they are taking much bigger steps now than before, and all these are happening with Sanctions in place.
Those baby steps paid off for Iranians to depend on their own eventhough the technology that they were building were outdated. At the moment "YES", the US and Israel have much more advance and better weapons, but Iranians will to fight are much higher than US or Israeli's, because of the haterate that have been brewing for past 50+ years and it will continue.

During the Reza S*H*I*T* Ahmaghi (some could of called him Reza shah Pahlavi) Iranian goverment was a good friend of Israel, but believe me, every ordinary iranian people hated Israel. This haterate will never, ever going to go away.

But for now, yes you have the upper hand in your Temp land. :rolleyes: :D :D :rolleyes:

Do you think that the USA will give the Mullahs 15 years? My point is that the Iranians have done really good with what they could. :)

[admin]

Do you think that the USA will give the Mullahs 15 years? My point is that the Iranians have done really good with what they could. :)

lol, the question is will America pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq by 15 years? I think America will remain in Iraq for at least 20 years, the time it takes to bring stability and end corruption to a limit, in reality it would take over 50 years to completely wipe out corruption etc. with a new generation of Iraqis.

[splitline]

I have alittle experience with Kilos on a submarine simulator
versus Akula class and US Wolf class. Kilo subs are fairly hard to contact and identify correctly depending what kind of sonar technology you have. Both the Dolphine class and the Kilo class subs are diseal subs. The Dolphine class submarine is basically stripped down version of the new German sub that is equipped with nonair populsion systems. This new subs originally disgned by Swedish Company ********* our some of the most advanced subs in the world. When the propolsion system is in place the subs are much quiter then nuclear subs even high tech US sonars have problems tracking these types of subs. (AUSTRALIA HAS A QUITE DISEAL SUB AS WELL Designed by Dutch company..) The used to be new Dolphine subs do not have these features considering the risks patents, but the Dolphine is built in modules so it could be upgraded in the future as well as any Kilo sub. I know that KILO subs are hard hitting war machines. A standard in new diseal subs, but Sweden has to be making the best subs today.
It kinda a funny how two guys from Israel and Iran our fighting about who has the best SUBS. I think two men should be ashamed of yourselves and come back to reality.
In the new world of Globalization your old SUBS suck compared to new ones. Israel and Iran are not known for known for their Navies and it niether have veteran pilots and crew like many other nations like Sweden for example. I don't think too many people are impressed with either of your subs. Why don't you two do the World a favor and shut up and talk about something a little more intellegent. WIth everything going on in the MIddle East and your talking about who has the better sub. I mean give me abreak Iran and Israel what have you done for the World lately, but make weapons. I mean **** at least China is developing a space program. Israel's number one export is weapons for killing people.... I mean whats all this talk about "Gods people". Thats not very Godly"... Better think about the future. Whats going to happen your number one buyer goes bankrupt? Try selling Dead Sea salt do somthing good. And whats wrong with IRan? There are sooo many extreme religious people there.. Get on with Western Civilization and let your women be free... Stop acting like a Power in the Middle East and be a supporter. I think people in the future will see the Middle East in the present as a Barbaric like societies with little contribution to society as a whole. And just to let you guys know I have friends from Israel and Iran. I So spare me the harresment... All right I just had to get that out.
Peace..

[4X-IL]

I have alittle experience with Kilos on a submarine simulator
versus Akula class and US Wolf class. Kilo subs are fairly hard to contact and identify correctly depending what kind of sonar technology you have. Both the Dolphine class and the Kilo class subs are diseal subs. The Dolphine class submarine is basically stripped down version of the new German sub that is equipped with nonair populsion systems. This new subs originally disgned by Swedish Company ********* our some of the most advanced subs in the world. When the propolsion system is in place the subs are much quiter then nuclear subs even high tech US sonars have problems tracking these types of subs. (AUSTRALIA HAS A QUITE DISEAL SUB AS WELL Designed by Dutch company..) The used to be new Dolphine subs do not have these features considering the risks patents, but the Dolphine is built in modules so it could be upgraded in the future as well as any Kilo sub. I know that KILO subs are hard hitting war machines. A standard in new diseal subs, but Sweden has to be making the best subs today.
It kinda a funny how two guys from Israel and Iran our fighting about who has the best SUBS. I think two men should be ashamed of yourselves and come back to reality.
In the new world of Globalization your old SUBS suck compared to new ones. Israel and Iran are not known for known for their Navies and it niether have veteran pilots and crew like many other nations like Sweden for example. I don't think too many people are impressed with either of your subs. Why don't you two do the World a favor and shut up and talk about something a little more intellegent. WIth everything going on in the MIddle East and your talking about who has the better sub. I mean give me abreak Iran and Israel what have you done for the World lately, but make weapons. I mean **** at least China is developing a space program. Israel's number one export is weapons for killing people.... I mean whats all this talk about "Gods people". Thats not very Godly"... Better think about the future. Whats going to happen your number one buyer goes bankrupt? Try selling Dead Sea salt do somthing good. And whats wrong with IRan? There are sooo many extreme religious people there.. Get on with Western Civilization and let your women be free... Stop acting like a Power in the Middle East and be a supporter. I think people in the future will see the Middle East in the present as a Barbaric like societies with little contribution to society as a whole. And just to let you guys know I have friends from Israel and Iran. I So spare me the harresment... All right I just had to get that out.
Peace..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tDDkvXSI8

Seems to me that many of the 'facts' you gave about the Israeli Dolphins at least are nothing but crap, I wont get into details because I know very little about the Dolphins, and even that things I do are not for public eye's. But I do know that Sweden got nothing to do with the Dolphins, and I got no idea how you got into it.

[SS_Charlemagne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tDDkvXSI8

Seems to me that many of the 'facts' you gave about the Israeli Dolphins at least are nothing but crap, I wont get into details because I know very little about the Dolphins, and even that things I do are not for public eye's. But I do know that Sweden got nothing to do with the Dolphins, and I got no idea how you got into it.

:errrr3: one question, israeli übermensch: what has to do this video with the topic?? - nice video, by the way. I wonder from where Israel took all the money for all these investments and so on...

[4X-IL]

:errrr3: one question, israeli übermensch: what has to do this video with the topic?? - nice video, by the way. I wonder from where Israel took all the money for all these investments and so on...



All of his second part of the post was about how Israel is so bad to the world and how it should X Y Z blah blah blah. Just prooved him wrong.

If you take the number of people living in Israel ( you can take Jews only cause lets fact it - arabs doesn't do anything ) compared to Iran's population, and how each one donated to the world, every Muslim country around the world and not only Iran need to be pretty much ashamed.

[SS_Charlemagne]

All of his second part of the post was about how Israel is so bad to the world and how it should X Y Z blah blah blah. Just prooved him wrong.

If you take the number of people living in Israel ( you can take Jews only cause lets fact it - arabs doesn't do anything ) compared to Iran's population, and how each one donated to the world, every Muslim country around the world and not only Iran need to be pretty much ashamed.

All is question of money, man. Some jews have much money - they invest in Israel, that's all. BTW, your words border on racism (and I am being kind), didn't you notice it?

[4X-IL]

All is question of money, man. Some jews have much money - they invest in Israel, that's all. BTW, your words border on racism (and I am being kind), didn't you notice it?


My words are not racism, my words are just a very sad truth. You don't live here, so you don't know that, but 98% of the Israeli-Arab population give nothing to Israel as a country, no scientists, no R&D, nothing.

I think there's not a single Arab Hi-tech company in Israel, as oppose to hundreds of Jewish ones

Face it, whether you like it or not, this is our reallity, arabs barely live for themselves, not to mentioun helping Israel to develop.

[SS_Charlemagne]

My words are not racism, my words are just a very sad truth. You don't live here, so you don't know that, but 98% of the Israeli-Arab population give nothing to Israel as a country, no scientists, no R&D, nothing.

I think there's not a single Arab Hi-tech company in Israel, as oppose to hundreds of Jewish ones

Face it, whether you like it or not, this is our reallity, arabs barely live for themselves, not to mentioun helping Israel to develop.

How they would help a regime which consider them as second-line citizens?

[4X-IL]

How they would help a regime which consider them as second-line citizens?

********.

This is just their excuse for everything, and this is just a plain lie.
Because the goverment want them to be satisfied already, if you'll compare the budget given to arabs versus the budget given to us, you'll see that in the past many many years, their was bigger.

The goverment got nothing to do with that, the fact is that the 2% who DOES want to do something with their lives, succeeds. The rest? i'm very sorry to say, wants nothing, do nothing. Almost NONE tries to study at universities, many just quit schools and go around in their villages with their gangs, doing vandalism. I got rocks thrown at me many many times from gangs exacly like that when I passed in arab villages. Many times as a child and a teenager, and even as an IDF soldier waiting for some bus near an Arab village, and I had to freaking RUN away because I'm not allowed to do anything but fire in the air if it get serious, and I was alone so I had no intentioun of doing that.

Arabs are just lazy, thats it, Lazy and nothing but that. They preffer living a poor life instead of trying to do something important, that is just how it is. And believe me, in my 19 years of life I got to know many many of them.

[SS_Charlemagne]

********.

This is just their excuse for everything, and this is just a plain lie.
Because the goverment want them to be satisfied already, if you'll compare the budget given to arabs versus the budget given to us, you'll see that in the past many many years, their was bigger.

The goverment got nothing to do with that, the fact is that the 2% who DOES want to do something with their lives, succeeds. The rest? i'm very sorry to say, wants nothing, do nothing. Almost NONE tries to study at universities, many just quit schools and go around in their villages with their gangs, doing vandalism. I got rocks thrown at me many many times from gangs exacly like that when I passed in arab villages. Many times as a child and a teenager, and even as an IDF soldier waiting for some bus near an Arab village, and I had to freaking RUN away because I'm not allowed to do anything but fire in the air if it get serious, and I was alone so I had no intentioun of doing that.

Arabs are just lazy, thats it, Lazy and nothing but that. They preffer living a poor life instead of trying to do something important, that is just how it is. And believe me, in my 19 years of life I got to know many many of them.

Perhaps is not lazyness but only another life style, more simple. I wonder why only westerner life standard is the good one. But I insist: Israel is the jewish state. Then all who is not jew, will be considered as a foreigner in his own land. How do you think those millions of arabs feel? they were in their own land and suddenly, in a few years, have to suffer the invasion of millions of foreigners which are the new rulers of the country. What do you want, they smile and say "no problem" and the life goes on as if nothing happened? they will never integrate while Israel be the "jewish state".
But tell... can a non-jew buy state's land in Israel? can a jew sell lands to a non-jew?

[4X-IL]

Perhaps is not lazyness but only another life style, more simple. I wonder why only westerner life standard is the good one. But I insist: Israel is the jewish state. Then all who is not jew, will be considered as a foreigner in his own land. How do you think those millions of arabs feel? they were in their own land and suddenly, in a few years, have to suffer the invasion of millions of foreigners which are the new rulers of the country. What do you want, they smile and say "no problem" and the life goes on as if nothing happened? they will never integrate while Israel be the "jewish state".
But tell... can a non-jew buy state's land in Israel? can a jew sell lands to a non-jew?

I don't think this is true...

Israel is a jewish state of almost 60 years, they already passed that.
The current living generation never knew the Israel of 1880, this is the reallity now, whether they like it or not.

The Israeli arabs ARE Israelis for every way of the word, they get the same rights, only have different duties, like Army, which they doesn't have to go to. Which give them another extra 3 years to be better than Jews, but yet, they do nothing.

And yes, every Israeli can by land, everyone can sell land to everyone, there're no rules againts that. Every Israeli is the same. Jews, Druze, Arabs, everyone.

[splitline]

It may sound that I said alot about the Dolphine, but if you did some research the Dolphine does not have air independent propulsion like the new German subs, but could easly be installed since the sub was made in modules.
I'm not sure about Kilo's though..

[splitline]

Westerner life is not the best, if you look at the evolution of Western life style its a mix of past cultures. I think one of the first Western style religous phylosophies came from present day Iran. Their phylosophy was much different then that of today, but it marked a significant place in the Western societies. It used more superstition compared to that of Confusous in ancient China. Sorry about the remark early for your two countries just try to get along with each other.

[PARSI PRIDE]

OMG!!!
A troll?!!?
rofl what a level of curses you got there.

And yes, evreyone can by equipment, evreyone except of Iran :)
Ah no i forgot
Iran can buy F16's F15's and Nuclear subs at any time she wants to.
The best you can buy is models
I dunno if the someone will even let you buy models, maybe you'll try to copy them.

are not all the jews suppose to be jerking off on the weekends no business,no lights what are you doing on the computer?
all you pompus jews think just because you pounced on some rag tag ill equipped arabs that you are the king of warfare. what happened last summer how come hezbollah wiped their *** with your yamakas? what happened to all your state of the art war machine ? why did it get caught in the mud like a jack *** who is lost? if I was a jew all I would be preachig peace and not be stirring up s..t . I live in the states even the americans have awaken to your snake ways. remenber your f...kng rat bastard it was us who freed you from the chains in babalon and set you free and do not forget it

[IR.IRAN]

this thread is a classic thread its been around for a while, how bout staying on the subject so it doesnt close guys?

[V.I.P]

why he put Israel flag in the Avator !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vahidi04]

Maybe we are just smarter and know to waste our money correctly, and not waste it on home made submarines that wont work as the good german subs.

I have no doubt that 1 israeli sub can sink all iranian subs alone.



And I have NO Doubt in my mind that Iran would destroy Israel in a one-on-one battle withOUT help by the United States. Israel is scared, weak, and cowardly(no balls.) Just admit it you know that Iran is stronger than Israel. Iran has lasted for thousands of years and will be there for thousands more, Israel wont last.

[globetrotter]

are not all the jews suppose to be jerking off on the weekends no business,no lights what are you doing on the computer?



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